Sura IV-93

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   Why does this Sura apply only to a Believer killing another Believer and not to anyone killing anyone else?

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sgeorge5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 30 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36	Post Options Post Reply Quote sgeorge5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Sura IV-93 Posted: 30 December 2006 at 6:37am
	Why does this Sura apply only to a Believer killing another Believer and not to anyone killing anyone else?

Arab Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 15 December 2006 Location: Kuwait Status: Offline Points: 256	Post Options Post Reply Quote Arab Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 December 2006 at 1:44pm
	I don know roman numberals, which chapter are talking about and I would love to answer you.

sgeorge5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 30 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36	Post Options Post Reply Quote sgeorge5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 December 2006 at 1:55pm
	Sura IV-93 = Sura 4-93

Arab Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 15 December 2006 Location: Kuwait Status: Offline Points: 256	Post Options Post Reply Quote Arab Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 December 2006 at 3:58pm
	This verse is speaking specifically about a killer killing a believer to make it a grave warning, as if going the extra mile to show us that in no means is it ordained to do so unrightfully. The same applies to non believers that they cant be killed unrightfully. (I dont remember the verse maybe the brothers and sister can help me with it) which basically says that if a person kills a person unrightfully (self defence or as in him being executed by law) its as if the killer has killed the entire humanity (thats how bad it is). And if a person saves a person its as if he's saved the entire humanity. So basically both arent allowed. So it does apply to both believers and non believers since believers and non believers are humans. Its as if I tell you first I live California. Than I say America. Both are right and both are the same but when I say california im beig specific about it because its more important. Did I answer your question clearly or did I confuse you more brother? Edited by Arab

sgeorge5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 30 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36	Post Options Post Reply Quote sgeorge5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 December 2006 at 10:00am
	The quote about "if a person saves someone, it is as he has saved all of humanity" is an old Jewish saying. Sura IV-93 talks about Believers, not about non-Belivers. The Koran is very careful to distinguish between the two. In fact, modern day Islamic courts have very different punishments for the murder of a Believer and for the murder of a non-Believer. There is more, but I am running out of space.

sgeorge5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 30 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36	Post Options Post Reply Quote sgeorge5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 December 2006 at 10:04am
	Do you think that Sura IV-93, or the Suria, should be corrected to include Believers and non-Believers? And how can the Muslims of Iraqi be informed of this Sura?

sgeorge5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 30 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36	Post Options Post Reply Quote sgeorge5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 December 2006 at 10:40am
	Also, the word "unrightfully" or any adverb similar to that does not appear in my copy of the Koran. The only adverb used is "intentionally"; i.e., accidental killings are not included in this punishment. The concept of - is it right to kill is not mentioned. Do you agree?

Arab Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 15 December 2006 Location: Kuwait Status: Offline Points: 256	Post Options Post Reply Quote Arab Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 December 2006 at 7:45pm
	No I dont agree because its hard for you, a man who has not study Islamic Sharia to come and try to explain a verse without the tafseer of the scholars, the hadiths, etc. Maybe