circumcisions

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   The topic of male circumcisions is slightly befuddled.... if a male is uncercumcised... and he were to convert ... would it mean that he would have to be circumcized??.... 
i have researched it... and there is no reference to it in hadith or sunnah or the koran,  however there is a passage that states to follow Abraham and what god had revealed to him (ra)... however, in jewish text, a convert does not have to be circumcized if he were to convert.... HOWEVER.... as muslims we cannot take biblical or jewish text directly because it is not in the direct way of revelance...... 
another thing is that because the topic wasnt directly discussed in either islamic text ... it is left slightly to history, as i recall muhammad did not directly object or approve of male circumcisions ... (also circumcisions were cultural and not religious except for the jews)
any solutions?

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crysilver Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote crysilver Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: circumcisions Posted: 23 May 2005 at 5:51pm
	The topic of male circumcisions is slightly befuddled.... if a male is uncercumcised... and he were to convert ... would it mean that he would have to be circumcized??.... i have researched it... and there is no reference to it in hadith or sunnah or the koran, however there is a passage that states to follow Abraham and what god had revealed to him (ra)... however, in jewish text, a convert does not have to be circumcized if he were to convert.... HOWEVER.... as muslims we cannot take biblical or jewish text directly because it is not in the direct way of revelance...... another thing is that because the topic wasnt directly discussed in either islamic text ... it is left slightly to history, as i recall muhammad did not directly object or approve of male circumcisions ... (also circumcisions were cultural and not religious except for the jews) any solutions? Edited by crysilver

Yusuf. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 02 July 2001 Location: far from home Status: Offline Points: 2385	Post Options Post Reply Quote Yusuf. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 2005 at 10:29pm
	Assalamu alaikum, Sahih Bukhari, 8.74.312 Narrated Abu Huraira The Prophet said "Five things are in accordance with Al Fitra (i.e. the tradition of prophets): to be circumcised, to shave the pelvic region, to pull out the hair of the armpits, to cut short the moustaches, and to clip the nails.' Sahih Muslim, 2.496 Abu Huraira reported: Five are the acts of fitra: circumcision, removing the pubes, clipping the moustache, cutting the nails, plucking the hair under the armpits. Malik's Muwatta, 49.3.3 Yahya related to me from Malik from Said ibn Abi Said al-Maqburi from his father that Abu Hurayra said, "There are five things from the fitra: cutting the nails, trimming the moustache, removing the hair from the armpit, shaving the pubic region and circumcision."
	Yusuf