To aka2X2 and Rami...cont

I started a new thread worried it might push the first one too down where
it'll be forgotten..

I apologize beforehand for not responding earlier due to my busy
schedule.

First off I would like to mention and make it known that I am simply an
amateur at debates concerning religious topics. About two years and
going yet still I feel there's always more for improvement better to
humble myself. That doesnt make me completely ignorant persay and I
will do my best at research on my end.

Now as to why I bring these questions and comments up are simply out
of curiosity. I started reading up on Islam, as I'm sure most non Muslims
have, after 9/11. Questions began to pop up in my head and they were
brought up to muslim friends of mine. Some were explained and some
just brought up more confusion then beforehand. Being curious by nature
the questions that I had didnt make me ponder it's the reaction that I
received by people that basically forced an end to other questions or fact
findings to a stand still. Now it's one thing to persist asking one who is
not knowledgeable that would annoy anyone but these were brought to
people who claimed to be very well instructed in Islam and yet they
completly changed one actually became furious with rage and stormed
out once.

That is the nature of my debate. It should be constructive and based out
of complete respect. I might seem blunt at times to some but on my end
its purely respectfull and educational and also healthy for both sides. For
the non-Muslims and the Muslims who have had the same questions as I
to join in without fear or remorse. I do not wish to show any blemishes on
anyone but I will ask and respond because it is my right to do so and I
believe everyone elses only because we share this world and we share all
of humanities good and evil that along gives anyone the right to question
and object.

Looking forward to future thought provoking discussions.

I must say this. The Vatican, as much as you would like to think, do not
look at numbers or how many attend. Of course the lack of faith among
old Catholics is high but that is not the failure of Church teachings. It's a
world becoming more corrupted. What was holy and virtuous is laughed
upon. That goes for all religions. Just because you were born into a
certain religion doesnt mean you should live then end of your days as
one. If its to your liking good. If it's not good. The Pope along with many
Church leaders has reiterated that we want QUALITY people among our
faithfull. Those who truly understand and adhere to the dogma.
QUANTITY is not our concern. I wouldnt mind loosing 500 million
Catholics as long as the ones we have are pure in there good deeds and
truly live a fruitfull and beautifull life enjoying what God gave them on
Earth with complete respect, values and love thought to us by Christ. Tell
me something aka2x2 do you truly believe numbers are worth more then
true faithfulls? I can call myself a Boston Celtics fan. But if I never watch
the games or even know half the players on the team, would I truly be
one or just because I was born into a family who follow them, I'm abliged
to blindly follow.

Christianity is also growing in numbers. Especially in Africa in Muslim
dominated countries, China, India.... Those have never been a topic for
me to discuss because truly I do not care for numbers I care about the
quality of people that follow. If that young man found something in Islam
that would make him into a better human then I wish him all the best life
can give him and I truly mean this with all my heart. But wouldnt it be
interesting if the Bible and other Christian teaching material would be
handed out in Muslim dominated countries without the fear of repression
and hate....

E.S. wrote: Aka2x2, With all due respect I refuse to speak about the growth of Islam. Not out of anger at all just the fact that it's purely a one sided debate. A western non muslim can walk into any major book shop and find a translation of the Qu'ran yet you wont find the same concerning a Bible in a majority Muslim country in a bookstore owned by a Muslim. And if by chance you do one must hide the Bible and read it in a complete state of fear of any reprecussions. Violence physically or verbally. So we can never know the true potential growth of Christiany in many parts of the world. Whatever information given to Muslims about Christians is the fact that they want our oil and believe in three gods. I hope my point was well taken.

Hi E.S.,

It is important that we comply guidelines:

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4589& ;PN=1

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7684& ;PN=1

Peace

 

E.S. wrote: I must say this. The Vatican, as much as you would like to think, do not look at numbers or how many attend. Of course the lack of faith among old Catholics is high but that is not the failure of Church teachings. It's a world becoming more corrupted.

I am sorry if you are a RC, but the facts are facts
PLease don't worry about the world, rather take care the RC priests every thing will be ok.$600,000,000 on RC Priests Child Molesters

E.S. wrote: What was holy and virtuous is laughed upon. That goes for all religions.  Just because you were born into a certain religion doesnt mean you should live then end of your days as one. If its to your liking good. If it's not good. The Pope along with many Church leaders has reiterated that we want QUALITY people among our faithfull. Those who truly understand and adhere to the dogma. QUANTITY is not our concern. I wouldnt mind loosing 500 million Catholics as long as the ones we have are pure in there good deeds and truly live a fruitfull and beautifull life enjoying what God gave them on Earth with complete respect, values and love thought to us by Christ. Tell me something aka2x2 do you truly believe numbers are worth more then true faithfulls? I can call myself a Boston Celtics fan. But if I never watch the games or even know half the players on the team, would I truly be one or just because I was born into a family who follow them, I'm abliged to blindly follow.

Some quality RC dogma :
RC Church's loose canon

E.S. wrote: Christianity is also growing in numbers. Especially in Africa in Muslim dominated countries, China, India.... Those have never been a topic for me to discuss because truly I do not care for numbers I care about the quality of people that follow. If that young man found something in Islam that would make him into a better human then I wish him all the best life can give him and I truly mean this with all my heart. But wouldnt it be interesting if the Bible and other Christian teaching material would be handed out in Muslim dominated countries without the fear of repression and hate....

Wow-- lamentation after centuries of colonialism now you don't have a prayer in the middle of the Iraqi &  Afghani crusade?


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