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    Posted: 26 July 2007 at 1:52pm

 

Assalamu alaikum

Since 9/11 western governments and private think tanks has asked world wide muslims to re-define Islam if they want to join the march of civilized humanity!!!!!!. They lectured to Islamic world on 101 civilization process while they were squeezing our civil rights to worst form and shape since this republic/others come to existence. After repeated calls many broke the ranks and join the choir session.  Those who rode the wave has yet to offer clear cut coherent alternatives about what they called a total Islamic mess. 

In process the commerical Islam was hatched out and took the center stage of many places. Un-educated men/women or shall I say colored Ruwaibidah come up with different innovation to calm down the fear climate of Islamophobia. Among these were amatuer writers, feminist, toothless old hack seculars and social hypocrites that never understood the Islamic teaching. These writers tried hard to leave their foot print on Islamic religion waiting the grand Ammy Award like that Rushdie Knighthood was given by the Queen.  They are trying hard to re-define/re-write Islam with blessing of many.

Among them is Ed Husaini, a British Indian Muslim origin who wrote recently a book called: The Islamist!!!. The guy is not qualified nor taught himself real Islam with the help of qualified scholar!!.  Despite that he want to sit on fatwa chair and shove to our throat his weird innovation without respect of our Islamic intelligence.

He happily attacked on what he called Wahabism, walking the rough road that enemy of Islam rode with vengence.

He lamented on Sharif Hussien and ala bayt lose of Makka imarah to Sh. Muhamad Ibnu Abdulwahab revival movement. Then he openly attacked on Sayid Qutb, Abul Ala almowdudi -May Allah give them jannah- saying the first wasn't even scholar!!!. He mocked about tafsir Thilal al-Quran claiming its not real Tafsir let alone Sayid didn't got Ijaza to write any tafsir!!.

Then he shifted gear to spice up his one man shooting practice parade in front of downing street. He said muslims lack compassionate to the very people attacked on their religion, women/children and land. Masha Allah.

To surprise of many he rejected the call of Islamic rule in Islamic world by Islamist. He called it a political ideology that has nothing to do with forefathers thinking!!!!

Then he claimed he was ignornat radical Islamist for sometime. But once he met his new teachers like Hamza Yusuf, Habib Ali and many more Internationalist defeatist -who call harmory of humanity under the banner of prophet Ibrahim's faith- he saw the light and changed for better human being!!!!! Masha Allah

Meanwhile, he never miss to call moderization/reform of Islam as Paul did to Christianity. Same mantra we were hearing for the last six years and so from people who has nothing to do with Islam.

In between he urged his reform dream he want to carry on Islam!!. He single out adopting kumbaya business dance talk like injection on muslims for love of life, love of neighbour, humanity, compassionate and of course we are together slogans etc.

I watched today with amusement his brief incohernt interview with Riza khan of Aljazeera English channel. He was full of himself, attacking left and right on muslims without fear of Allah let alone qualification.

He already got publicity stun from British media. The question is will he has ability to market this bad commodity among muslims. I doubt!!!

 

"And thus do We explain the ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail, that  the way of the mujrimin, (criminals, polytheists, sinners) may become manifest"   Al- anam:55

May Allah guide him to right path.

 

 

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Ameen brother. Inshallah these wayward sheep will be brought back to Islam. JazakAllah'Khair for displaying the article.
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Ameen brother. Inshallah these wayward sheep will be brought back to Islam. JazakAllah'Khair for displaying the article.

 

Brother Slot,

I couldn't take his fake PR for his book. He even went today to CNN international and spew as usual more lies. The guy is full of himself.

 

 

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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Hamza Yusuf, Habib Ali and many more Internationalist defeatist -who call harmory of humanity

Both are real scholars with proper Ijazah going all the way back to Imam Malik and Imam Shafii, can you say the same about your so called scholars.

Most people dont care who is teaching them there religion.

Sh. Muhamad Ibnu Abdulwahab revival movement.

What madhhab did he revive, what teachings did he revive, what interpretation did he revive, if he didnt revive anything it wasnt a revival movement or maybe he was like St paul he saw visions of rasul allah who taught him islam.

Do you even comprehend what the word revive means?

For Gods sake use your brain to think, if the man does not have any real connection or silsilah or chain of narration back to the prophet what the hell was he reviving and how can he prove it came from rasul allah and not his own personel interpretation, how can you not understand this basic fact.




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Originally posted by rami rami wrote:

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Hamza Yusuf, Habib Ali and many more Internationalist defeatist -who call harmory of humanity

Both are real scholars with proper Ijazah going all the way back to Imam Malik and Imam Shafii, can you say the same about your so called scholars.

Most people dont care who is teaching them there religion.

Sh. Muhamad Ibnu Abdulwahab revival movement.

What madhhab did he revive, what teachings did he revive, what interpretation did he revive, if he didnt revive anything it wasnt a revival movement or maybe he was like St paul he saw visions of rasul allah who taught him islam.

Do you even comprehend what the word revive means?

For Gods sake use your brain to think, if the man does not have any real connection or silsilah or chain of narration back to the prophet what the hell was he reviving and how can he prove it came from rasul allah and not his own personel interpretation, how can you not understand this basic fact.


 

Rami,

The thread is for the self defeatist writer and his claims not silsilatul Ijazat or Sh. Mohamed Ibnu Abdulwahab. May be you need to begin a seperate thread regarding silsilah/Ijazah and its important to Islamic teaching.

BTW, instead of dangling around Ijazah topic what say you about the claim of this writer?

 

 

 

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Nothing i dont know him, just to clarify you where the one to mention all those topics that you dont want to discuss.

Generally speaking judging by your comments and taking out the sarcasm and hate, it seems this person was once a salafi/wahabi and he has now turned to traditional islam judging by the scholars you mention, just to add Habib Ali is a sayed a direct descendant of rasul allah [sallah lahu alaihi wa sallam] so be careful who you belittle. You dont actually mention anything islamicly wrong that he has said just  some political opinions and that he has taken hate out of his heart and began to judge islam rationally rather than simply agree with any so called shaykh who's sole islamic teachings consist of telling people to hate something or someone.

One thing many people discover is that if you constantly keep telling someone something repeatedly there whole world view becomes just what they are being told and everything they see or encounter they begin to interpret it according to what they are told or rather what they have been programmed to think.

these so called jihadist who commit suicide and kill indiscriminately are like this there whole world view to them is Qital and nothing else, so when another aspects of our deen is discussed like love and compassion there hearts are to hard to hear the words and they simplly belittle it.

If all that exists is fighting/Qital then this is not a religion fit to lead humanity this is a simple fact, Islam is for all people of all time in all situations of life many dont see how though.
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Rami,

The issue is not hate and love or which group he used to belong. Moreover, the issue was/is not mere political satire or opinion he invented out of vacuum if you care. Or who programmed who? Or Qital or the art of International relations according to Islamic teachings.  The writer is calling to abolish many calls of Ulima ajilla and their heritage like Thilal al Quran of Sayid Qutb. He calls Muslims to abandon their dearest belief of Islamic rule, Jihad against outlaws/Kafir aggressors, wala walbara among other things.

If you have nothing to say about this I can understand given the climate of fear Muslim minorities puddle with at this juncture of time. But calling it political opinion is gross and irresponsible. Rejection of rule of Sharia is not political opinion.

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This is really side track except last paragraph.

 

 For the two men I mentioned their names as his sheikhs, definitely they wrap themselves on the shirt of scholar and Ustadia in time of weakness. I�m not denying they know some Islam though you don�t accept/appreciate that Hamza Yusuf was real product of what you call Wabahism teaching!. If my collection is correct he graduated from (Madina University). Instead of saying thank you as he did when was there he walk on his head then rode the hate wave against Muhammad Ibnu Abdulwahab. Anyway, what I rejected was/is their defeatism/ hate toward people who are striving hard to live up with Islam.

Rami, ala bayt get respect when they follow the letter and spirit of Islamic law. If they go astray then ummah scholars should rectify and correct their mistakes. From Sharif Hussein era to many current ala bayt claimers like former King/his son of Jordan they were traitors or CIA payrolls least to say. They are not different than other muslim persons except silatul qurba of the prophet pbuh in which should be respected. Those who claim scholars their mistakes should be rejected. They can�t use ala bayt name as pass to mislead poor muslim masses. I�m sure you don�t want to create a new cult after Shia Iran who abused ala bayt name.   

Finally, the fact remains the writer committed perjury and gross violation of Islamic religion under the heat of we are together slogan or fear of law enforcement. Or Shall I say he come up with a new innovation that has nothing to do with Islam. One of his claims has no one said in this fashion before except that disgraced Azhar Shiekh in late 50�s.

 BTW, do u agree with him about thilalul quran and his attack on Sayid Qutb?

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The issue is not hate and love or which group he used to belong.

It is the issue when attempting to understand what he has said, of which you quote very little.

the issue was/is not mere political satire or opinion he invented out of vacuum if you care.

Are we discussing Aqeedah, Fiqh, usul al fiqh, Tafsir no the only thing you have mentioned is his opinions regarding modern political issues. Just becouse the topic has an islamic context does not mean it is related to fiqh, your branding him is what turns this topic into a so called fqh issue not his words.

"Thilal al Quran of Sayid Qutb" i am assuming you are referring to the voluminous work of sayid Qutb, what is wrong with not wanting it taught it is an unauthorised work which has no basis in islam can you establish its authority?

You must live in a small world if you believe this work is cherished by the larger muslim world, it is hardly an outrage the most dont follow it, or can anyone now write a tafsir on islam and we are to simply accept it at face value?

He calls Muslims to abandon their dearest belief of Islamic rule, Jihad against outlaws/Kafir aggressors, wala walbara among other things.

I only have your interpretation of his words as my only source of information, i dont know any shaykh on earth who does not believe that a case for valid jihad exists in occupied muslim lands. Again judging by your broad comments and names you have mentioned as well as my familiarity with some of there works no doubt they are calling for the stop of this illegal offensive jihad or more accurately Qital/killing that is being waged against innocent civilians. If i am wrong please provide a direct quote of his words.

If you have nothing to say about this I can understand given the climate of fear Muslim minorities puddle with at this juncture of time.

I have more freedom to speak my mind here in Australia than many muslims living in muslim lands. I am free to critisise any dictatorship without fear of being targeted by them, muslims in the muslim world can not say the same thing.

For the two men I mentioned their names as his sheikhs, definitely they wrap themselves on the shirt of scholar and Ustadia in time of weakness.

The word Taqlid generally means to follow the path of your teachers without deviating from it, this is the way of the madhhabs from this i can easily say both these shaykhs only advise according to what the madhhabs have taught since neither of them is a mujtahid. Any rational person can infer from this that the opinions held by both these scholars follows the principles of there respective madhhabs and is along the same lines as the opinions of Imam Malik and Imam shafii.

Wahhabi's/salafi's on the other hand are against taqlid and say it is haram to do, now any rational person can deduce here that if they do not allow the following of there predecessors then there opinions cannot be from the time of the salaf and are nothing but a modern invention.

About the two Shaykhs who you critisize,

Habib Ali Zain al-Abideen al-Jifri was born into a family of noble lineage extending in an unbroken chain to Imam Hussein, the Grandson of the Prophet, peace and blessing be upon him. Habib Ali is from the majestic city of Tarim in Southern Yemen. Nestled in the ancient valley of Hadramawt, Tarim has been a centre of learning and spirituality for centuries. Habib Ali received a classical Islamic education from the illustrious scholars of Hadramawt, embodying a methodology which crystallizes the middle way of Islam, Islamic jurisprudence, a respect for the difference between jurists and a spiritual education drawn from the Quran & the Sunnah.

Habib Ali is the founder of the Tabah Foundation for Islamic Studies and Research (www.TabahFoundation.org) based in the United Arab Emirates. He is also a lecturer at Dar Al Mustafa, Tarim, an educational institute established for the study of traditional Islamic sciences.
He is continually invited to lecture in many countries across the globe and appears regularly on a variety of network television and radio programmes.

http://www.guidancemedia.com/downloads/articles/Yemen_Times. pdf

Shaykh Hamzah Yusuf
spent four years studying in the United Arab Emirates and elsewhere in the Middle East. Later he traveled to West Africa and studied in Mauritania, Medina, Algeria, and Morocco under such scholars as Sheikh Murabit al Haaj; Sheikh Baya bin Salik, head of the Islamic court in Al-'Ain, United Arab Emirates; Sheikh Muhammad Shaybani, Mufti of Abu Dhabi; Sheikh Hamad al-Wali; and Sheikh Muhammad al-Fatrati of Al Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamza_Yusuf

But calling it political opinion is gross and irresponsible. Rejection of rule of Sharia is not political opinion.

Is there a fiqh rulling stating Sayyid Qutb and others must be taught ?....hence the political label.

accept/appreciate that Hamza Yusuf was real product of what you call Wabahism teaching!

If he doesnt adhere to the wahhabi ideology then he is not a product of wahhabi teachings. From memory he learnt the arabic language there not that it makes any difference to my argument.

Instead of saying thank you as he did when was there he walk on his head then rode the hate wave against Muhammad Ibnu Abdulwahab.

Who was muhammad ibn abdul wahhab to be above criticism, how dare you place him on the same level as Islams Mujtahid imams.

Anyway, what I rejected was/is their defeatism/ hate toward people who are striving hard to live up with Islam.

It is a contradiction [and thus alludes to a lack of understanding on your part] to call a person who teaches tazkiyah an nafs and calls for jihad an nafs a defeatist. It is easy to pick up a weapon out of hate but it is infinitely more difficult to struggle against your own self, countless soldiers will affirm this. When Allah rebuked rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] regarding the blind man he affirmed for latter generations of muslims that the purpose of this deen and the duty of every muslim is tazkiyah an nafs.

Finally, the fact remains the writer committed perjury.

""Perjury is the act of lying or making verifiably false statements on a material matter under oath or affirmation in a court of law or in any of various sworn statements in writing.""

where has he done this?

and gross violation of Islamic religion under the heat of we are together slogan or fear of law enforcement.

So basicaly he is a kafir for advocating peace, i put it to you that you have not understood his words. Muslims and non Muslims are united against these terrorist who commit barbaric acts of violence in the name of Islam.

Or Shall I say he come up with a new innovation that has nothing to do with Islam.

i dont know what he actually said just your distorted views of it, how about quoting something for a change with references.

 One of his claims has no one said in this fashion before except that disgraced Azhar Shiekh in late 50�s.

Which is? i cant read minds you know.

BTW, do u agree with him about thilalul quran and his attack on Sayid Qutb?

I dont know what he said about sayid Qutb?

regarding sayyid Qutb in general,

Qutb was raised in the Egyptian village of Musha and educated from a young age in the Qur'an. He moved to Cairo, where he received a Western education between 1929 and 1933, before starting his career as a teacher in the Ministry of Public Instruction. During his early career, Qutb devoted himself to literature as an author and critic, writing such novels as Ashwak (Thorns) and even elevating Egyptian novelist Naguib Mahfouz from obscurity. In 1939, he became a functionary in Egypt's Ministry of Education (wizarat al-ma'arif). From 1948 to 1950, he went to the United States on a scholarship to study the educational system, receiving a master's degree from the Colorado State College of Education (now the University of Northern Colorado) in Greeley, Colorado. Qutb's first major theoretical work of religious social criticism, Al-'adala al-Ijtima'iyya fi-l-Islam (Social Justice in Islam), was published in 1949, during his time overseas.

Where in all of this does it state he had any formal islamic schooling, you would seriously take the works of an uneducated person over people who have dedicated there entire lifes to understanding Islam such as Imam Suyuti, Subhanah llah.

I think more than likely it is a group mentality you are following rather than thinking for your self, you can not seriously justify this mans views.

Arabs too often get cought up in catch cries with out further considering the rest of message being brought. For example ""
Sayyid Qutb's mature political views always centered on Islam - Islam as a complete system of morality, justice and governance, whose Sharia laws and principles should be the sole basis of governance and everything else in life."" This is what is termed in the west as window dressing, when you look underneath you will find that the methods he advocates to achieve this are anything but islamic and calls for a complete re-interpretation of islam.

A good example of his unworkable and unislamic aproach...."Rather than rule by a pious few, (or democratic representation [23]), Muslims should resist any system where men are in "servitude to other men" -- i.e. obey other men -- as un-Islamic and a violation of God's sovereignty (Hakamiyya) over all of creation. A truly Islamic polity would not even have theocratic rulers since Muslims would need neither judges nor police to obey divine law [24] [25]""

I find the folowing Quote to be a good summation of Sayyiid Qutbs ideology,

Although earlier Muslims (Ibn Taymiyya, Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi and Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab) had used jahiliyyah to refer to contemporary Muslim societies, no one before Qutb had applied it so widely, nor had such popular response. While Islam had seen many religious revivals urging a return to religious fundamentals throughout its history, Qutb was the first thinker who paired them to a radical, sociopolitical ideology.[28]

Quotes are from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb

May Allah show you the true foundation of Islamic religion

Insha allah he does the same for you br.

Lastly i would like you to compare Sayyid Qutb with that of a real scholar living in the worst of times i.e during the fall of the Islamic Khalifat,

Shaikh Badr al Deen al Hasani


1267-1354 H (1850-1935 AD)

The "Greatest Muhaddith", al Shaikh Muhammad Badr al Deen al Hasani.

All scholars and shaikhs of Syria accepted him as their teacher, and those living in Damascus used to attend his daily lessons.

He had a photographic memory. Knew by heart all the hadeeths of Bukhari, Muslim, and the remainder of the six most famous books of Hadith, including the biography of all narrators of all chains of every hadith, their dates of birth and decease, and their status of authenticity.

Also, he used to explain the Qur�an by heart from al Baydawi�s Tafsir (explanation of the Qur�aan). His ijazah was especially besought by Hadeeth scholars for being the closest one of his age to the Prophet Salla�l Laahu `Alaihi Wa Sallam (counting the number of men in the chain).

He was also instrumental in the organization of the revolution against the French occupation.

The following are quoted from Al Durar Al Lu�lu�iyyah by Shaikh Mahmoud Ba`youn al Rankousi
who was his special student for the last twelve years of his life:

- He knew Sahih Muslim and Bukhari by heart, including individual chains of narrators and their biographies. It is not improbable that he also knew by heart their commentaries from �Fath Al Bari�, al `Ayni and al Nawawi.

- Egypt�s Mufti Shaikh Muhammad Bakhit said: �If he was with us in Egypt, (out of respect) scholars would carry him over their shoulders.�

- Shaikh Muhammad al Qayati said: �He is among the rarities of this age� We were present one night when he was reciting �Saheeh Al Bukhari�. He recited more than one hour, discussing topics and explaining Hadeeth by heart.�

- The great Hadeeth scholar Abdu�l Wasi` al-Yamani said: �I have heard teachers and preachers in numerous countries but I have never seen anybody similar to him concerning his expertise in all Sciences.�

- Al Sayyid al Kabeer al Kittaani al Maghribi said: �There has been no one comparable to him since five hundred years.�

Experts in engineering and mathematics would often attend his lessons and concede his superiority in these sciences saying: �We spent all our life learning but did not reach his level.�


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These are the type of people we should be taking our Deen from, if this shaykhs opinion differed from Sayyid Qutb's opinion on any matter by Allah i would not hesitate to leave Sayyid qutb's opinion for his, how can i not when people like this shaykh exist in this world.


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