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Both Hayfa & Full of Hopes are correct in thier own ways!

Full of Hopes is right in saying that we cannot pray for the forgiveness of dead nonmuslims - Even Prophet Muhammad was told to stop praying for the forgiveness of his deceased beloved grandfather (or uncle - cannot recall). Hence the Qur'anic verses.

However - until they die - while they are alive. . . we can and should pray for them and give them dua. e.g pray for thier hidayath.
For e.g Prophet Muhammad used to pray for atleast one of the Umars to accept Islam and strengthen the Muslim community (Umar ibn Khattab or Abu Jahl, whose real name was apparently Umar!) Allah accepted his dua, and thus Umar Ibn Khattab (r.a) accepted Islam.

Another example - When the Romans were fighting the persian pagans, (at the time Surah Rum was revealed) the Muslims morally supported the Roman army, and even prayed for thier victory. So this means we can pray for them both in spiritual and worldly matters. Smile Hayfa gave good detailed info regarding that.

Just suddenly remembered an interesting thing - back when the war against Iraq/Afghanistan was i full throttle, and all the muslims were full of raw emotions - the Imaam at our masjid, instead of cursing/badmouthing, used to pray for the 'hidayath' of George Bush ! In Jamaat. . . Big%20smile





Edited by Chrysalis - 16 September 2009 at 7:35am
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Originally posted by Hayfa Hayfa wrote:

I don't understand why some Muslims want to have two moral systems: one for them and one for non-Muslims, and are willing to discriminate against non-Muslims even in praying for healing a sick human being, while the message of the holy Qur'an is universal, and the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was sent as (a mercy to humankind) (Al-Anbiyaa' 21:107).


  Asslamu Alaikum Wa Rahamu Allah

  Jazaki Allahu Khairn sister Hayfa, May Allah raise your rank. Now I saw these words above are part of the scholar's anwers not you. I thought you wrote this after my reply becasue maybe you think I am of those people.
  My problem isI am very clear and I do not want to hide aything in my heart for sisters and friends. Becasue I feel you are all my sisters. If I feel you hurt me I tell you that to understand your excuse and then to keep my heart like you and pray for you. See you did it. You expalined which I really appreciate.

     And here in the following I do not mean you sweetie, in fact with some replies the author really wants to say something bad about you so that he/she did that by going around the words which is not brave nor correct.
  I like the clear person. Who tells you your mistakes frankly and honestly.



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Originally posted by Hanan15 Hanan15 wrote:

Ramadan Karim,
 
I am a Muslim and I've been taught that Muslims can not ask forgiveness in our prayers for Non-Muslims, but that we can pray that they are guided. A friend of mine who is new to islam asked me why and I don't have a good answer for her, nor can I find references in the Quran and Sunnah.
 
Why can't we ask forgiveness for non-Muslims, and what is permitted (i.e. if they are sick can we pray they are healed?)?


As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah,

Welcome to Islamicity, dear sister.

Just thought to add up the posts of the sisters above.

Is your friend new to Islam, as a muslim or  if she 's studying Islam ? In either of the cases you need to be very careful answering her. As you must have learnt by now that its not permissible to pray for forgiveness of a non-muslim, if we are sure he died as a kafir {disbeliever}.

If we can pray for there healing, yes, its a very good oppurtinuty to do dawah. One case, i would like to state here, before pasting a hadith, extracted from Islam-qa.

Here in India, a masjid was demolished by few hindus. This demolition divided hearts of muslims and hindus living together, Anyways speaking to the point, the very first person who hit the crow-bar over the minar of that masjid, {who then was in rage and hatred towards Islam}, and 3 of his other friends from his group faced Allah's punishment very soon.

This first person, got mad and  preferred to be nude {Its a long story with worsened conditions of him}. Finally, his father bought him to a sheikh and asked him to make prayers that Allah swt forgives him. That sheikh said, he would pray for them on the condition that if that person is healed, they would embrace Islam. They agreed.

Sheikh, made duas for them and was literally crying in his duas for healing that person, and that they become muslims. Alhamdullilah, his prayers were answered. They embraced Islam. This person who faced Allah swt's punishment then, is now a source of guidance to 100s of non-muslims.

Here's hadith from Islam-qa

With regard to praying for him to be healed from sickness, this is permissible if it serves a purpose, such as if one hopes that he will become Muslim and that his heart will be softened and so on.

These are means of healing and Allaah is the Healer, so there is nothing wrong with performing ruqyah for this person, especially since you hope that this kaafir may become a Muslim.

There is also a report in a saheeh hadeeth that supports that idea that it is permissible to perform ruqyah for a non-Muslim. Abu Sa�eed (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

A group of the Companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) set out on a journey and travelled until they made came near one of the Arab tribes. (These people were either kaafirs or very stingy, as Ibn al-Qayyim mentioned in al-Madaarij). They asked them for hospitality but they refused to do so. Then the leader of that tribe was stung, and they tried everything but nothing helped him. Then some of them said, Why don�t you go to those people who are staying (nearby)? Maybe some of them have something. So they went to them and said, O people, our leader has been stung and we have tried everything and nothing helped him. Do any of you have something? One of them said, Yes, by Allaah. I will perform ruqyah for him, but by Allaah we asked you for hospitality and you did not give us anything, so we will not perform ruqyah for you unless you give us something in return. So they agreed on a flock of sheep, then he started to blow on him and recite Al-hamdu Lillaahi Rabb il-�Aalameen. Then he recovered quickly from his complaint and started walking, and there was nothing wrong with him. Then they have them what they had agreed to, and some of them (the Sahaabah) said, Let us share it out. The one who had performed ruqyah said, Do not do anything until we come to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and tell him what happened, and we will wait and see what he tells us to do. So they came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and told him what had happened. He said, �How did you know that it is a ruqyah?� Then he said, �You did the right thing. Share them out, and give me a share.� And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) smiled. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2276, and by Muslim, 2201).

{Hope you must have learnt from above hadith that ruqyah was made for a non-muslim - my note}

Indeed it is permissible for you to visit him during this sickness, because when a person is sick his heart is softer and is more likely to accept the truth. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a Jewish boy who used to serve him, and he fell sick. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to visit him; he sat by his head and said to him: �Become Muslim.� He looked at his father, who was present, and he (the father) said to him: �Obey Abu�l-Qaasim (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).� So he became Muslim and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out saying, �Praise be to Allaah Who has saved him from the Fire.�


Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1356.

Edited by seekshidayath - 18 September 2009 at 7:15pm
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Hanan 15,

 

You asked

 

�Why can't we ask forgiveness for non-Muslims, and what is permitted (i.e. if they are sick can we pray they are healed?)?�

 

Let me add in my opinion.

 

We can�t ask forgiveness for non-Muslims because, as sister Full of Hopes pointed out, the command is from Allah Himself and we are to obey it without questioning. Only He can give a reason. Since no reason is found in the Qur�an for this Command, all that we have to do is just to obey It. Other than that, when one talks about His Commands, one is expressing his/her own opinion based on his/her understanding, even when such opinion comes from scholars.  And that, whatever their opinions may be, it does not necessarily mean the actual reason intended.

 

In His Holy Qur�an, Allah says

 

�It is not fitting, for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray  for forgiveness for Pagans, even though they be of kin, after it is clear to them that  they are companions of the Fire. (9.113)

 

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�Whether thou ask for their forgiveness, or not, (their sin is unforgivable): if thou ask seventy times for their forgiveness, Allah will not forgive them: because they have rejected Allah and His Messenger. and Allah guideth not those who are perversely rebellious� (9:80).

 

Isn�t it as clear as daylight?

 

We also find in Qur�an:

 

�And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?� (54:17, 54:22, 54:32, 54:40).

 

Then, is it necessary to split hair to understand this particular Command that is very clear and straight forward?

 

There should not be a second thought in obeying His Command. The unbelievers may use the command to ridicule Islam. That is not important at all. Allah�s Commands are not to please anyone.

 

In the light of the ayat that are quoted above, and other ayat, you can confidently say that Muslims should not pray for forgiveness of the unbelievers. As a reply to you, sister Hayfa has quoted the following:

 

�Imam Al-Bukhari reports that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) used to say this du`aa' (Arabic for: supplication) for people who are sick, whether he was visiting the sick person or the person was brought to him.

Adh-hibi al-ba�sa, Rabba an-nas, ishfi wa anta ash-shafi, la shifaa� illa shifa�uka, shifa�an la yughadiru saqaman (Arabic for: Remove the affliction, O Lord of Humankind, and send down cure and healing, for no one can cure but You; so cure in such a way that no trace of illness is left).

The hadith does not distinguish between a Muslim and a non-Muslim. And since we know from other authentic hadiths that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) visited some non-Muslims who were sick (including a Jewish boy, as Al-Bukhari himself reports), we suppose he made the same du`aa' for them.

This hadith does not state that the Prophet was begging Allah to forgive the sick, but to cure them. Therefore, the Prophet was not doing anything against the teaching of the Qur�an. Asking for forgiveness for someone�s deeds and asking for his/her well-being are two different things.

Having said all these, we should also be mindful of the following Command:

 

�O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Forbearing. (5:101)

 

 

May Allah forgive us for all our shortcomings.

 

 

 



Edited by ansari - 20 September 2009 at 7:11pm
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Asslamu Alaikum
Jazaka Allah Khairn.

May Allah bless you all for your standing for Islam.
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AsSalam Alaykoum and Eid Mubarak everybody

I think part of the confusion results from the perspective some muslims have towards non-muslims

I think we should all ask ourselves of how we think of non-muslims

Do we think of them as an enemy ?
Do we think of them as a source of disturbance, which we'd like to avoid if possible
Do we think of them as a prospect of a future muslim, who can even be a better muslim than myself ?

I think setting the right perspective changes the behavior / attitude and helps us all to be able to deal in a proper way within the teachings of Islam

I recall hearing that Ibn Abbas said, if a non-believer did something good to me, I'll tell him Jazak Allah khayran ( May God reward you )

This tells us how the companions viewed the non-believer, it is of no surprise that few years later, those same non-believers turned to be companions themselves, some even doing greater things than the processors

AsSalam Alaykoum

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Walaikum Salam,

I don't think there's any confusion amongst us at all. Its plain and simple that we can pray for non-muslims, until they are alive, If they die in the same state, we cannot pray for there forgiveness.


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