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Mishmish,

In this unilateral statement, declared with full Integrity by God Almighty, it's crystal clear that God saves. That is what my dear friend George is not able to see. How God uses men to save people is not the issue in above. Let's repeat this again as it helps:

" Isaiah 45:21-24

"Declare what is to be, present it - let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past?

Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Saviour, there is none but me.

"Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God and there is no other. By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear. They will say of me, 'In the Lord alone are righteous and strength.' " All who have raged against him will come to him and be put to shame."

Geroge wrote: "Of course, there is only one God, BMZ.  No Christian would deny that."

Now that is progress. 

George wrote: "We are talking about saviors.  God is our savior and only he determines how he saves us.  He uses men as indicated above.  And he used his Messiah."

Mishmish, many Messiahs were sent to save Israel. Moses was the biggest Messiah who delivered them out of Pharoah's slavery and bondage. But Moses' disciples, having seen miracles upon miracles, did not make a God out of him. The title of Messiah is not really reserved for Jesus according to the Jews. Jews had plenty of Messiahs. God used many of his Messiahs to help and save people. But God himself did not become a Messiah. We have no evidence of that in the history.

There is something positive in George's comment "And he sent his Messiah" which I would prefer to re-write as "And he sent his second-last Messiah to help people come back to the true path of God."

From you Mishmish, the comment: "But isn't His Messiah, Him?"

Certainly not. George just confirmed that God saved by sending men. Thus the Messiah Jesus was a man and he tried his best to save the Jews. God's Messiah is definitely not HIM and God himself has never come down before as a Messiah, thus God is not His own Messiah.

That is why, I always tell my Christian friends to read and find out themselves that Jesus never taught Trinity or anything about the Original Sin which suggests defeat of God by Satan, making God feel helpless, sad and defeated and not knowing what to do for milleniums and kept thinking of a way on how to beat Satan, which of course is not true.  If you read the temptation and trial of Jesus by Satan, you will note that the "spirit" led him into the desert to be tried and tempted by satan/Devil. All of us know very well, incuding our Christian and Jewish friends that God can never be tempted or tried by Satan. Jesus was thus clearly no more than a man. By the way, do you happen to know who was this "spirit"?

I am sure it was not a good one. Nothing in the Bible can explain God better than Isaiah 45:21-24. I hope you agree with me on this.

BR & Salaam Alaikum

BMZ

BMZ,

BMZ, Isaiah 45:21-24 is talking about the fact that there is only one God and when I agreed, you saying "that is progress" is an inaccurate and an unkind remark from you.  When have I ever said that was more than one God?

There is only one savior�God.  God uses men to save, just as he used Moses and just as he used King Messiah, Jesus.  True there have been many "messiahs," but there is only one King Messiah and that is Jesus.

Show me in the Qur'an where Muhammad is called a Messiah.  The only Messiah mentioned in the Qur'an is Jesus.

Peace

Yes! Mishmish, it struck me too.

"Just as he has written here: "God uses men to save, just as he used Moses and just as he used King Messiah, Jesus."  again indicating that Jesus was/is a man.

Perhaps I am reading it wrong, but that does seem to be the implication.

You read it right and I read it right too. Calling Jesus Messiah or a King Messiah does not prove anything. There was neither any saving of Israel when he was there nor he was a king of Israel. That is why the Jews totally rejected him. Will write more later.  

Best Regards & Salaam Alaikum

BMZ