Darwish/Ghazzali’s "Sayings of Jesus"

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Topic: Darwish/Ghazzali’s "Sayings of Jesus"
Posted: 25 May 2006 at 5:39pm

I have come across this document several times.

http://tny.se/2bx

Immediate questions are:

Who is Sheykh Ahmad Darwish?

Is this really a collection by al-Ghazzali?

Is there an actual document somewhere?

What is relevant to modern Islam?

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Posted: 26 May 2006 at 4:07am

Good Day, David

I tried the link http://tny.se/2bx but I can't get that page.

Who is Sheykh Ahmad Darwish? (I just heard his name today from you)

Imam Ghazali was a brilliant Muslim scholar, a great Soofi (Sufi) and a man devout to God Almighty.

If you have saved a copy of that page, please post here so that I can read and let you have my comments.

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Posted: 26 May 2006 at 4:57am

http://www.memoware.com/?screen=doc_detail&doc_id=12493& amp;p=title^!darwish~!description^!darwish~!author^!darwish~ !

I have a basic familiarity with al-Ghazzali and have read "Alchemy of Happiness" and "A Niche for Light". He was so reknown that many specious works seem to have been attributed to him, so I question the authenticity of this collection. It is not included in his corpus on the al-Ghazzali website.

The link is actually four separate documents. Any insight or scholarship you (or anyone) can provide is much appreciated.

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Posted: 26 May 2006 at 9:28am

David,

Two down and two more to go.

There is no Shaikh Ahmad Darwish. The translator in English is Alan Darwish.

I have spoken with a friend who is himself a 90% Sufi, waiting to achieve the remaining ten percent. According to him, Ghazali learnt a lot about the sayings of Jesus from the Aramaic-speaking Syrian old folks who had heard them from the past generations of their elders.

While we the ordinary Muslims do our religious duties as told, the Sufis go further than that. In their constant devotion to God, they keep moving and crave for being nearer to God spiritually and their concentration and devotion is so great that they feel closer to God and far, far away from this world, which they live in.

He gave me an example: While sitting in a chair, a Sufi can feel as if he is somewhere on the horizon. They have no love or desire for anything material or worldly and they just do not cling to the Earth. Very mystic, indeed.

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	I have come across this document several times. http://tny.se/2bx Immediate questions are: Who is Sheykh Ahmad Darwish? Is this really a collection by al-Ghazzali? Is there an actual document somewhere? What is relevant to modern Islam?
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BMZ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 03 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1852	Post Options Post Reply Quote BMZ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 2006 at 4:07am
	Good Day, David I tried the link http://tny.se/2bx but I can't get that page. Who is Sheykh Ahmad Darwish? (I just heard his name today from you) Imam Ghazali was a brilliant Muslim scholar, a great Soofi (Sufi) and a man devout to God Almighty. If you have saved a copy of that page, please post here so that I can read and let you have my comments. BR BMZ

DavidC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Christian Joined: 20 September 2001 Location: Florida USA Status: Offline Points: 2474	Post Options Post Reply Quote DavidC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 2006 at 4:57am
	http://www.memoware.com/?screen=doc_detail&doc_id=12493& amp;p=title^!darwish~!description^!darwish~!author^!darwish~ ! I have a basic familiarity with al-Ghazzali and have read "Alchemy of Happiness" and "A Niche for Light". He was so reknown that many specious works seem to have been attributed to him, so I question the authenticity of this collection. It is not included in his corpus on the al-Ghazzali website. The link is actually four separate documents. Any insight or scholarship you (or anyone) can provide is much appreciated.
	Christian; Wesleyan M.Div.

BMZ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 03 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1852	Post Options Post Reply Quote BMZ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 2006 at 9:28am
	David, Two down and two more to go. There is no Shaikh Ahmad Darwish. The translator in English is Alan Darwish. I have spoken with a friend who is himself a 90% Sufi, waiting to achieve the remaining ten percent. According to him, Ghazali learnt a lot about the sayings of Jesus from the Aramaic-speaking Syrian old folks who had heard them from the past generations of their elders. While we the ordinary Muslims do our religious duties as told, the Sufis go further than that. In their constant devotion to God, they keep moving and crave for being nearer to God spiritually and their concentration and devotion is so great that they feel closer to God and far, far away from this world, which they live in. He gave me an example: While sitting in a chair, a Sufi can feel as if he is somewhere on the horizon. They have no love or desire for anything material or worldly and they just do not cling to the Earth. Very mystic, indeed. Best Regards BMZ Edited by bmzsp