Walid Shoebat

From what I gathered from a quick search (some of his website and mostly from wikipedia), this guy seems like the atypical media-hungry, attention seeker.

1. Where was he before Sept 11'01? How come he never spoke against the PLO and 'Islamo-Facism' and didnt support Israel before that? How come all these 'Islamo-Facist' Ex-Muslim experts always prop up AFTER 9-11? Thats 'cz the market is ripe, and everybody wants to hear from such a person, and theres an opportunity for media-attention and possibly publishing book later. He seems like another of those 'Muslims' who like to cash-in thier middle-eastern/islamic background, 'cz they know exactly what to say that'll get heads nodding and eyes popping.

2. He is among a party of ppl who were paid a total of $13,000, some of it by private donors, for their participation in a week-long conference on Islamic terrorism - hosted by the US Airforce Academy (and we all know why they needed a spokesperson to toot thier horn, justifying wars) - The New York Times

3. The Times also reported that academic professors who had heard the men speak said some of their stories "border on the fantastic". Also questioned was how a middle-aged man could have been recruited for Islamic terror as a teenager when such things didn't become common until the 1980s. -

4. The Jerusalem Post also disputed the authenticity of Shoebat's account of his terrorist history. According to the article, Shoebat claimed to have bombed the Bank Leumi, but that claim has been rejected both by Bank Leumi, which stated no such attack took place, .. The Post also reported that Shoebat was unable to pinpoint the date on which he had committed the attack. The article repeatedly refers to Shoebat's financial benefit from his claim of being an former terrorist, of having been Muslim, and now having rejected Islam for Christianity. While Shoebat claimed to have been pressured by teachers to adopt an extreme Islamic philosophy, and he and his classmates had been "indoctrinated as children to believe that the fires of hell were an ever-present reality" and that his only salvation was to "die in a martyrdom operation - to die for Islam", the Jerusalem Post article reveals that his uncle, who still lives in Bethlehem, recalled he received an ideologically "mild" education in which religion played little part.

5. Daniel Pipes is amongst one of his supporters, and we all know that he is an Islamophobe , and according to him , when questioned as to the veracity of Shoebat's claims, wrote, "Walid Shoebat took the time ... to show me proofs that his life story is a true one. I accept that it is." Yea, whatver.

Oh yea, and about cashing in with the books part, it appears he has already done that - several times.

Edited by Chrysalis - 16 August 2008 at 3:10pm

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walk2liv Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 15 August 2008 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote walk2liv Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Walid Shoebat Posted: 15 August 2008 at 9:00pm
	So, my mother told me about this fellow. I'm sure you guys will all discredit him because you don't want someone talking poorly about your religious beliefs but I think he is telling the truth. He makes a lot of interesting points. What do you guys think of him and what he preaches now?

Chrysalis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2033	Post Options Post Reply Quote Chrysalis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 August 2008 at 3:06pm
	From what I gathered from a quick search (some of his website and mostly from wikipedia), this guy seems like the atypical media-hungry, attention seeker. 1. Where was he before Sept 11'01? How come he never spoke against the PLO and 'Islamo-Facism' and didnt support Israel before that? How come all these 'Islamo-Facist' Ex-Muslim experts always prop up AFTER 9-11? Thats 'cz the market is ripe, and everybody wants to hear from such a person, and theres an opportunity for media-attention and possibly publishing book later. He seems like another of those 'Muslims' who like to cash-in thier middle-eastern/islamic background, 'cz they know exactly what to say that'll get heads nodding and eyes popping. 2. He is among a party of ppl who were paid a total of $13,000, some of it by private donors, for their participation in a week-long conference on Islamic terrorism - hosted by the US Airforce Academy (and we all know why they needed a spokesperson to toot thier horn, justifying wars) - The New York Times 3. The Times also reported that academic professors who had heard the men speak said some of their stories "border on the fantastic". Also questioned was how a middle-aged man could have been recruited for Islamic terror as a teenager when such things didn't become common until the 1980s. - 4. The Jerusalem Post also disputed the authenticity of Shoebat's account of his terrorist history. According to the article, Shoebat claimed to have bombed the Bank Leumi, but that claim has been rejected both by Bank Leumi, which stated no such attack took place, .. The Post also reported that Shoebat was unable to pinpoint the date on which he had committed the attack. The article repeatedly refers to Shoebat's financial benefit from his claim of being an former terrorist, of having been Muslim, and now having rejected Islam for Christianity. While Shoebat claimed to have been pressured by teachers to adopt an extreme Islamic philosophy, and he and his classmates had been "indoctrinated as children to believe that the fires of hell were an ever-present reality" and that his only salvation was to "die in a martyrdom operation - to die for Islam", the Jerusalem Post article reveals that his uncle, who still lives in Bethlehem, recalled he received an ideologically "mild" education in which religion played little part. 5. Daniel Pipes is amongst one of his supporters, and we all know that he is an Islamophobe , and according to him , when questioned as to the veracity of Shoebat's claims, wrote, "Walid Shoebat took the time ... to show me proofs that his life story is a true one. I accept that it is." Yea, whatver. Oh yea, and about cashing in with the books part, it appears he has already done that - several times. Edited by Chrysalis - 16 August 2008 at 3:10pm
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