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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dennyg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 February 2015 at 9:59pm
Yes the Gospels were not put in writing for decades, but oral storytelling in this time was developed beyond what can be fathomed today. The best memorized and recited the Bible and other texts word for word start to finish as unbelievable as that may seem. So while I have no doubt that the gospels changed a little over time, when they were finally written down the changes would be minor. Perhaps these minor alterations account for the little contradictions between the four Biblical gospels
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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:


question posed to self....How do muslims believe that Yshwe(Isa) was conceived...he was 'breathed into the womb of Mary by allah', correct?Doesn't this make Him a Son of God, and not of man?No human male planted his seed to fertilize the egg of Mary... God Himself did this.Doesn't this make Yshwe the Son of God?� God Himself fertilized the egg of Mary, by the power of His Holy Spirit.




Amigo,
you probably meant in Islamic belief?
God creates whatever He wills, for God nothing is impossible or difficult to create or to maintain.

Allah breathe life (so to speak) into Adam first, and he was. Jesus (Pbuh) was born to Mary (pbuh) without a father. For us a miracle, for God only a matter of word to say (so to speak) "be", and he was conceived. And no, it does not make him son of God or God.

His miraculous birth was a sign God showed to those who say we believe, but in their hearts they were faithless, the children of Israel.

He was sent on a mission to a faithless generation who talked of the Law, but were away from practicing it and when they saw Jesus ridiculing their hypocrisy they wanted to get rid of him.
He was raised by God to safety from the hands of those who thought to have control over his fate.
He is coming back to declare Oneness of God, and free himself from what some associated with him (made him God or begotten son of God) and to establish God's law over land till the end of time on this earth.
Just a reminder amigo, for God nothing is impossible to do, fertilizing an egg included. God creates no-living and living creature, and there are millions and millions of those we know and more that we don't know of. There coming in existence does not make God their father, rather creator. Creator is the right word, I would suggest you use the correct word my friend. God creates, God does not father (beget) things.
Hasan




Edited by honeto - 12 February 2015 at 3:19pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

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Greetings Hasan,

What I know is; Yshwe referred to the One God as Father, and that is how He taught His followers to Pray...

And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

And he said unto them, When ye pray, say,

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil

(from the books of Luke, and Matthew)

asalaam and blessings to you,

Caringheart



Edited by Caringheart - 12 February 2015 at 3:52pm
Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
"I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis
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