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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote peacemaker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 August 2007 at 4:01am

Assalamu Alaikum,

Brother Sawtul Khilafa, I will try to reply to your queries:

"on that thread I did NOT criticize SHIISM, but only IRAN."

You can discuss theological issues of sectarian nature in Intra faith section. And entire nation such as Iran should not be held responsible for the actions of those in the leadership position.

"So you are actually implying that writing against the Government of Iran is against the rules simply because they are Shiah."

This is another fallacious reasoning. I asked you in my last post why you started posting on Iran�s relations with Sunnis in the thread that was basically about the freedom enjoyed by Jews in Iran. You are incorrectly mingling issues of two different threads.

"Why is it ok to write against all other countries except Iran??? Why is it ok to write against Sunni groups and Governments but somehow it is "inflammatory" to say anything about Iran, even though I always provide clear evidence for everything I say."

Speaking against ANY country by spreading lies and rumour is not allowed; why to even utter such terms as Shia country, Sunni country etc.? You can speak against any injustice committed by any leadership while supporting it with reliable sources; one should, however, do so in the relevant threads.

"Im not asking you to spend a lot of time responding, I asked for one straight answer and instead you went on talking about many different things without being specific."

I appreciate your gesture towards understanding my time. In fact, I felt necessary to make some clarifications because you had made some speculations without evidence. I also preferred to highlight few points . . . as you appeared to me unaware of them.

"All I did was post 3 posts in one thread, that as far as I know is not spamming because the Guideline says it is spamming if you continuously post while you havent answered other peoples questions."

Please read rule # 12: "Spamming of any kind is not allowed. . . ." It is a discussion forum. If others don�t reply to you, it doesn�t mean that you keep posting the same or different messages repeatedly. Furthermore, if you keep targeting just one nation on a regular basis, that means, knowingly or unknowingly, you serve an agenda against that country especially when, seeing the prevailing climate, an opportune moment is being sought by the war-mongers to attack her.

"Since I had answered every question and my posts were 100% appropriate and relevant, I was not spamming."

Why do you think that you cannot make even a single mistake there? Every human being can be fallible, at times, isn�t it?

"So the thread "USA benefits Iran" is neither "inflammatory" nor "spamming". Until you re-open at least that thread, I would continue to seriously doubt your neutrality."

I am sorry that I don�t agree with this line of thinking, brother. I think that we should strive to prove our actions as just and fair to Allah in order to win His pleasure for ultimate success.

"You also closed the "is Bush Jewish" thread. I respect your decision there because the thread was going way off topic (though I can show you more than a 100 other threads that have gone even more off topic and have not been closed for some reason...)"

I may agree with you on the presence of "100 other threads that have gone even more off topic." Have we closed all of them? No. Would we close all of them even if we go through them? Perhaps not. That would, in a sense, lock the entire forum. Generally speaking, many factors ( and not just one factor ) are taken into consideration so as to make a decision to ensure the highest level of proficiency in this regard; yes, sometimes just one flagrant violation, for example, a grave personal attack may prompt a thread�s closure.

Last but not least, If you see that something is wrong somewhere, please report. Due to the large number of active threads at any time, it may not be possible for moderation to see each of them. Your active participation in this respect to report unwanted posts/threads would help the system, insha Allah.

May Allah guide us all.

Peace

Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sawtul Khilafah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 August 2007 at 6:41am

wa 'alaykumussalam wa rahmatollah

Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

Brother Sawtul Khilafa, I will try to reply to your queries:

"on that thread I did NOT criticize SHIISM, but only IRAN."

You can discuss theological issues of sectarian nature in Intra faith section. And entire nation such as Iran should not be held responsible for the actions of those in the leadership position. 

What are you talking about? Where did I talk about the "Nation" of Iran??? Clearly and Obviously I was talking about the GOVERNMENT!! When I say USA benefits Iran, I dont mean "American people benefit Iranian people", I mean the GOVERNMENTS.

Why on earth would anyone think I was talking about the people or nation??? Where did you get that idea, are you kidding me?

Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

"So you are actually implying that writing against the Government of Iran is against the rules simply because they are Shiah."

This is another fallacious reasoning. I asked you in my last post why you started posting on Iran�s relations with Sunnis in the thread that was basically about the freedom enjoyed by Jews in Iran. You are incorrectly mingling issues of two different threads.

I was talking about the "USA benefits Iran" thread.

Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

Speaking against ANY country by spreading lies and rumour is not allowed;

this is based on your assumption that I was spreading lies. But if you read my posts you will see that I made many predictions about what Iran, USA and the "new iraqi Government" were going to do, which have come true. If I was lying, why would so many of my predictions come true???

Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

 why to even utter such terms as Shia country, Sunni country etc.?

because they are Shiah, and that was exactly my point that while you may think Iran doesnt care about Shiah Sunni, they treat Sunnis worse than Ahlul Kitab and even worse than devil worshippers. I think that is something important for Sunnis to know.

In fact, in Iran anyone who preaches Islam of Ahlus-Sunnah would be imprisoned and in most cases executed. This is important for Sunnis to know so that they would be more careful if they ever travel to Iran.

Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

Please read rule # 12: "Spamming of any kind is not allowed. . . ." It is a discussion forum. If others don�t reply to you, it doesn�t mean that you keep posting the same or different messages repeatedly.

The guidelines dont define too many posts as "spamming". As I pointed out, they clearly say you cant post repeatedly ONLY IF you have not answered other peoples questions or if the posts are off-topic. Therefor, I was not spamming.

And suppose I was, the guidelines say the moderators should WARN people first. Just why you would close the whole thread blows my mind.

Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

Furthermore, if you keep targeting just one nation on a regular basis, that means, knowingly or unknowingly, you serve an agenda against that country especially when, seeing the prevailing climate, an opportune moment is being sought by the war-mongers to attack her.

First of all I was talking about the Government, not the "nation".

Secondly, I was precisely trying to make the point that the West is not really against Iran and that the anti-Iran propaganda is fake, just as Iran's anti-America propaganda is fake (which is why westernisation is becoming so popular in Iran while the Government pretends to encourage the opposite).

In no way would my posts help the supposed US propaganda against Iran, because I was saying that USA and Iran are allies. How does that help the USA??? In fact, my posts are read mainly by people living in the West and not much in the middle-east, so.... again, I dont see your point.

Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

"Since I had answered every question and my posts were 100% appropriate and relevant, I was not spamming."

Why do you think that you cannot make even a single mistake there? Every human being can be fallible, at times, isn�t it?

mistake? I said my posts were APPROPRIATE AND RELEVANT. I didnt say I never made any mistakes in them.

Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

I am sorry that I don�t agree with this line of thinking, brother. I think that we should strive to prove our actions as just and fair to Allah in order to win His pleasure for ultimate success.

just because you dont agree with my posts doesnt mean you can close or delete them. I dont think the guidelines allow such a thing.

Wassalam

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Assalamu Alaikum,

Brother Sawtul Khilafa,

I think I have replied to you to the best of my abilities.

May Allah guide us all.

Peace

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