The one who makes a good or bad sunna

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   Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem
assalamu alaikum

Riyad as-Salihin (The Meadows of the Righteous)
by Imam Nawawi

19. Chapter: On the one who makes a good or bad sunna 

Allah Almighty says, "Those who say, 'Our Lord, give us joy in our wives and children and make us a good example for those who have taqwa." (25:74) 
and the Almighty says, "We made them leaders, guiding by Our command." (W21:72; H21:73)
171. Abu 'Amr Jarir ibn 'Abdullah said, "Once we were with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, at the beginning of the day when some people came, barefoot, wearing striped garments or cloaks, girded with swords. Most of them were from Mudar, indeed, all of them were from Mudar. The face of Messenger of Allah hanged because his concern at what he saw of their extreme need. He went inside and then came out and commanded Bilal to give the adhan and the iqama. He prayed and then spoke and said, 'O mankind! have taqwa of your Lord who created you from a single person' to the end of the verse, 'Allah watches over you continually.' (4:1) and the other verse which is at the end of al-Hashr, 'O you who believe! Have taqwa of Allah, and let each self look to what it has sent forward for Tomorrow.' (59:18) 'Let a man give from his dinars and his dirhams, from his clothes, from the sa' of his wheat, from the sa' of his dates, even,' he said, 'a half of a date.' A man of the Ansar brought a bag which he could barely get his hand round, indeed, he could not. Then the people came one after another until I saw two heaps of food and clothes and I saw the face of the Messenger of Allah shining as if it was illuminated. The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'Anyone who creates a good sunna in Islam has its reward and the reward of whoever does it after him without that decreasing his reward in any way. Anyone who creates a bad sunna in Islam bears its burden and the burden of whoever acts by it after him without that decreasing his burden in any way." [Muslim] 
172. Ibn Mas'ud reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "No self is unjustly killed without responsibility for it falling on the elder son of Adam because he was the first to make a sunna of murder." [Agreed upon] 

Edited by rami

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rami Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Male Joined: 01 March 2000 Status: Offline Points: 2549	Post Options Post Reply Quote rami Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: The one who makes a good or bad sunna Posted: 24 July 2007 at 4:53am
	Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem assalamu alaikum Riyad as-Salihin (The Meadows of the Righteous) by Imam Nawawi 19. Chapter: On the one who makes a good or bad sunna Allah Almighty says, "Those who say, 'Our Lord, give us joy in our wives and children and make us a good example for those who have taqwa." (25:74) and the Almighty says, "We made them leaders, guiding by Our command." (W21:72; H21:73) 171. Abu 'Amr Jarir ibn 'Abdullah said, "Once we were with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, at the beginning of the day when some people came, barefoot, wearing striped garments or cloaks, girded with swords. Most of them were from Mudar, indeed, all of them were from Mudar. The face of Messenger of Allah hanged because his concern at what he saw of their extreme need. He went inside and then came out and commanded Bilal to give the adhan and the iqama. He prayed and then spoke and said, 'O mankind! have taqwa of your Lord who created you from a single person' to the end of the verse, 'Allah watches over you continually.' (4:1) and the other verse which is at the end of al-Hashr, 'O you who believe! Have taqwa of Allah, and let each self look to what it has sent forward for Tomorrow.' (59:18) 'Let a man give from his dinars and his dirhams, from his clothes, from the sa' of his wheat, from the sa' of his dates, even,' he said, 'a half of a date.' A man of the Ansar brought a bag which he could barely get his hand round, indeed, he could not. Then the people came one after another until I saw two heaps of food and clothes and I saw the face of the Messenger of Allah shining as if it was illuminated. The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'Anyone who creates a good sunna in Islam has its reward and the reward of whoever does it after him without that decreasing his reward in any way. Anyone who creates a bad sunna in Islam bears its burden and the burden of whoever acts by it after him without that decreasing his burden in any way." [Muslim] 172. Ibn Mas'ud reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "No self is unjustly killed without responsibility for it falling on the elder son of Adam because he was the first to make a sunna of murder." [Agreed upon] Edited by rami
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

rami Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Male Joined: 01 March 2000 Status: Offline Points: 2549	Post Options Post Reply Quote rami Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 September 2007 at 8:33am
	Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem The word sunnah in the above isnt in the sence of an act done by rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam]but in the more general sence of an act that is copied or done by others, this is very clear from the example stated by ibn masud where the sunnah of murder has nothing to do with rasul allah in any sence. So you cant limit the meaning of this hadith to simply reviving forgotten sunnah of rasul allah as some people wrongly claimed, they weren't forgotten when this hadith was first heard. Edited by rami
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

seekshidayath Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357	Post Options Post Reply Quote seekshidayath Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 September 2007 at 7:19pm
	As'Salamu Alaikum. Bro.Rami my question i sn't directly related to this topic but concerned with the hadith quoted The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'Anyone who creates a good sunna in Islam has its reward and the reward of whoever does it after him without that decreasing his reward in any way ---- My question is how to differentiate between a bidah and the creation of good sunnah? Shall they be related to quran and hadith?
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

rami Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Male Joined: 01 March 2000 Status: Offline Points: 2549	Post Options Post Reply Quote rami Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 September 2007 at 7:17am
	Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem assalamu alaikum You have to understand that the hadith of bidah is a general stament, we have to combine all the evidence regarding bidah and sunnah found in the Quran and ahadith as well as the opinions of the sahabah and tabiin to look at the picture in its entirety. The hadith of bidah is a general statement the definition of which is further explained by other ahadith found on the subject. If you take it on its own and literally it basically means EVERY new thing is haram and takes one to hell fire. these articles may also help br, Bid�ah a Detailed Explanation The Concept of Bid'a in the Islamic Shari'a The Sunni Definition of Bid`a
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Post Options Post Reply Quote minuteman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:37pm
	From the above post of rami (24 july 2007) I have learnt something. That sunnah is an act. Please see below. I have colored a few words there: The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'Anyone who creates a good sunna in Islam has its reward and the reward of whoever does it after him without that decreasing his reward in any way. Anyone who creates a bad sunna in Islam bears its burden and the burden of whoever acts by it after him without that decreasing his burden in any way." [Muslim] I have been presenting here in the forum that Sunnah are the acts of the prophet s.a.w.s. and not the sayings (Hadith). In the above Hadith (narration) it is proved by the words of the prophet s.a.w.s. himself that Sunnah is an act (or example) of a person, not the spoken words. Sunnah is the acts and deeds. Please comment. Thanks.

rami Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Male Joined: 01 March 2000 Status: Offline Points: 2549	Post Options Post Reply Quote rami Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 January 2008 at 10:23pm
	Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem Sunnah has different meanings depending on the context it is used in, but classically yes it means the ahadith and his actions. The difference between ahadith and sunnah of the prophet is reading about something and actually doing it which will result in a person have life experiences. like trying to describe color to a blind man, a person learns more from his experience that words or the ahadith can not describe. Living Islam rather than reading about it or simply knowing what is on paper.
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.