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You said 99% of the Qur'an is copied...So explain who the prophet Shu'aib is in the Bible and I said please do not mention Balaam as Shu'aib in the Qur'an was not Jewish or of the Hebrew nation....I said this would be among the gaps between the difference of the Qur'an and Bible....But again this is off topic just a side question
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Greetings Israfil,

 

Thanks for your reply�

 

You said 99% of the Qur'an is copied...

 

This is stated by the authors who penned the Koranic text (as we know it today)�by their claim that they copied Biblical �alkitabu��

 

 

 

 

So explain who the prophet Shu'aib is in the Bible and I said please do not mention Balaam as Shu'aib in the Qur'an was not Jewish or of the Hebrew nation....I said this would be among the gaps between the difference of the Qur'an and Bible....But again this is off topic just a side question

 

 

Let�s begin by defining the Classic Arabic word �shuAAayban��

 

 

�shuAAayban� definition:

 

A leathern water-bag; or one that has been repaired, or pieced: or one that is made of two hides: or one that is made of two hides facing each other: or one that is pieced with a third skin, between the two skins, that it may be rendered wider: or one that is made of two pieces joined together: or one that is sewed on both sides: called thus because one part is joined to another.  Also an old, worn-out skin for water or milk: because it is pieced or repaired.  A camel�s saddle because it is joined part to part.  A man who is a stranger.  It comes from the root �sha�aba�, which means he collected; brought together; or drew together; or united a thing, anything or things, and a people or party; and he separated; put apart, or asunder; divided; disunited, or dispersed, or scattered a thing, anything or things, and a people or party � this having two contrary significations.  To separate, collect, appear, scatter, repair, impair, send (a message to), branch off.  A tribe.

 

References:

An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume four, pp. 1555 - 1558

The Dictionary of the Holy Qur�an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar pp. 291 - 291

 

 

Occurrences of �shuAAayban� in the Koran: 7

Locations:  7.85, 7.90, 7.92(2x), 11.84, 11.94, 29.36

 

Occurrences of the root �sha�aba� and its 3 forms in the Koran:  13

Locations:  7.85, 7.88, 7.90, 7.92(2x), 11.84, 11.87, 11.91, 11.94, 26.177, 29.36, 49.13, 77.30

 

 

Is this the �Shu'aib� that you are referring to�.?

 

If so�.what definition would you like to go with�.?

 

 

Thanks�

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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Just as I have seen you are using dialetical entrapment without directly answering my question.....You say the Qur'an is copied so who again is Shu'aib in the Bible?
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Greetings Israfil,

 

Thanks for mustering a reply�

 

Just as I have seen you are using dialetical entrapment without directly answering my question.....

 

Fact is�the only �entrapment� that may occur is from your lack of knowledge of your book faith�

 

We doubt that you even understand your very own question.

 

 

 

 

 

You say the Qur'an is copied

 

The authors of the Koran say this�

 

 

 

 

 

 so who again is Shu'aib in the Bible?

 

Who is shu�aib in the Koran�..?

 

Do you even know�..?

 

How do you expect to proceed when you are unsure of what you are even talking about�.

 

 

 

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Shu'aib, like Muhammad, like Jesus, like Adam, like Noah, like Abraham, is a personal name that happens to have a meaning. But it is still referring to a person. That person is mentioned in the Quran. If you stand by your challenge, Apple Pie, then find his equivalent in the Holy Bible.
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agreed...However this is rather off the radar on this subject

 
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It has been taken as a certainty in this thread that the Universe is expanding, and various texts have been quoted to support this theory and to strengthen the historical truth of Isalm because these texts support that theory.

Yet, there is no evidence that the Universe IS expanding. All the data held by scientists could be equally interpreted to show that the universe is not expanding. Red Shift could have much more plausible and even likely explanations.

I would refer any who are interested to the work of Tom Van Flandern, just as a starting point. The 'Big Bang' theory does not hold up to scrutiny and is crumbling under the weight of its flawed thinking and lack of any real evidence. As it crumbles, so does Universal expansion. Will those who believe Islam supports expansion have trouble letting go of their belief once the scientists finally admit they were and are wrong?



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Greetings Gedya,

 

 

With a tick-tock of the clock

 

Is there no more room for poppycock?

 

 

 
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