Greetings

OK�..

�..now I�ve freed myself from the constraints of been bullied (via the prejudices held against me & consequent discrimination), by both Muslim�s & non-Muslim�s alike, I would like to reaffirm my statement�..

I have scientifically perceived the �Kursi�

The �Kursi� is the Holy Grail of science, & Ayat-Ul-Kursi is the most important verse in the Qur�an. Hence I suggest you go & contemplate why I would have been allowed to discover such knowledge!

To all those people who have ignored me (& treated me as if I were worthless), if I know nothing & you know better, then please bring your proof! Show me the Kursi!

...And your statement is your proof?

So we shld provide evidence .... to what? ... that you have NOT

Perceived the kursi ... yes someone shld or this is a straight Q.E.D.!

midway wrote:   Greetings OK�.. �..now I�ve freed myself from the constraints of been bullied (via the prejudices held against me & consequent discrimination), by both Muslim�s & non-Muslim�s alike, I would like to reaffirm my statement�.. I have scientifically perceived the �Kursi� The �Kursi� is the Holy Grail of science, & Ayat-Ul-Kursi is the most important verse in the Qur�an. Hence I suggest you go & contemplate why I would have been allowed to discover such knowledge! To all those people who have ignored me (& treated me as if I were worthless), if I know nothing & you know better, then please bring your proof! Show me the Kursi!

Were you wondering what the Kursi is?  I'm not sure what you are talking about. 

In the commentary section of the Noble Quran by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan and Dr. Muhammad Al Hilali, it is explained clearly that contrary to popular believe and understanding, the "kursi" is not the whole Throne of Allah (subhana wa ta'ala), it is only the foot stool that sits directly in front of the Throne or chair.  The Throne itself is called the "Arsh".  This very important statement needs to be more broadly understood by Muslims who have a misunderstanding of this subject.

Assalaamu alaikum

Some believe that the secrets and meaning of existence can be found via mathematics. If that were the case the phenomena we call �computers� (ie artificial intelligence) could be perceived to be � God!

For computers do not die (where as human beings do), also of significance is that if the soul (conscience & consciousness) could be reduced to mere numbers, artificial intelligence would be the wisest of entities (here on earth), as computer programmes & sheer numerical capacity, allow (those computers) a greater degree of numerical wizardry (compared to human intellect).

I raise the above point in order to try and help clarify why (I perceive) the phenomena called �intellect� to be merely a man-made (& controlled) product that induces haughtiness.

Here in the UK, the vast majority of subjects one can study at university (college in the USA) are intellectual in content. When a person partakes in such courses, they are not only strengthening the position of those whom created the subjects, but they are also supporting them by accepting their goals, and hence inadvertently helping them, by working toward fulfilling those very same goals!

Higher education hence offers those whom are in (worldly) control, the opportunity to not only review the knowledge students offer them via essays & exams (& hence gain firsthand access to that knowledge, free of cost, & in the fields they seek to master), but the courses also serve to condition those whom partake in them, in part, by means of the intense cramming of (intellectual) knowledge one is required to do, if one is to pass exams.

What astonishes me is that many Muslim�s are duped by this process, and willingly pay � to be �brainwashed�, and give those corrupt forces their time & knowledge, in fields that are un-Islamic!

And why do they do this?

Simple, the shaitan�s offer them a trade � work for & support us, and we will grant you with a substantial wage, and hence anything (worldly) you desire!

I tried to illustrate in my last post (as nadir) within the �expansion of the universe� thread, that true knowledge is not obtained via the intellect, rather it can be found as a result of spiritual perception/penetration (as was the case with all the Prophets {AS}), hence why I sought to discuss issues with someone who had gained spiritual perception (& not intellectual).

I sincerely hope that those whom have (already) acquired intellectual knowledge may use it to enhance Islam, and not to support un-Islamic goals. Insha Allah

Assalaamu alaikum

Errrmmmmm,

Knowledge01, I know what the Kursi is� and I can illustrate it via both spiritual & scientific techniques�..

This is the reason why I have approached (international embassies &) the good Dr�s, as I am told they posses greater spiritual perception than I�..

I await a reply!

midway wrote:   Assalaamu alaikum Some believe that the secrets and meaning of existence can be found via mathematics. If that were the case the phenomena we call �computers� (ie artificial intelligence) could be perceived to be � God!

By dear Bro Midway, this is not a logical deduction. As people have different beleifs why would you restrict yourself only to some speicifics believing in God. I think since its your own perception as you seem to believe in God, so you consider discovery of the meanings of existence would in turn mean discovery of God. This is not a logical view.

For computers do not die (where as human beings do), also of significance is that if the soul (conscience & consciousness) could be reduced to mere numbers, artificial intelligence would be the wisest of entities (here on earth), as computer programmes & sheer numerical capacity, allow (those computers) a greater degree of numerical wizardry (compared to human intellect).

Again, my brother, its human who  has invented the AI, so how can you assert that AI has more intellect than human? Yes, I agree that computers might have more faster computing power with more precise repetition of some algorithim, but that is not intellect. Intellect is more to do with free Will, which is obviously missing in computers or what you say in AI. It is human intellect that invented AI and not the vice versa. So, your basic premise is not correct, therefore needless to comment upon the rest of your post.

I raise the above point in order to try and help clarify why (I perceive) the phenomena called �intellect� to be merely a man-made (& controlled) product that induces haughtiness. Here in the UK, the vast majority of subjects one can study at university (college in the USA) are intellectual in content. When a person partakes in such courses, they are not only strengthening the position of those whom created the subjects, but they are also supporting them by accepting their goals, and hence inadvertently helping them, by working toward fulfilling those very same goals! Higher education hence offers those whom are in (worldly) control, the opportunity to not only review the knowledge students offer them via essays & exams (& hence gain firsthand access to that knowledge, free of cost, & in the fields they seek to master), but the courses also serve to condition those whom partake in them, in part, by means of the intense cramming of (intellectual) knowledge one is required to do, if one is to pass exams. What astonishes me is that many Muslim�s are duped by this process, and willingly pay � to be �brainwashed�, and give those corrupt forces their time & knowledge, in fields that are un-Islamic! And why do they do this?

Physical knowledge is an integral part of the whole truth. Our beloved Prohet has much emphasised on this issue since he knew its importance especially in the context of writing down of Quran and his day to day life style. Even in the battle front, he always appreciated and welcome the wise suggestions of his companions as to what shall be done to over come the enemy. Simple examples are the selection of battle grounds in the three wars and more prominant is the suggestion of Hazrat Salman Farsi to dig a ditch around the city. These all examples provides ample proof for the importance of scientific knowledge in the view of our beloved Prophet Mohammad. Ignoring them or considering worthless is not an Islamic view at all.

Simple, the shaitan�s offer them a trade � work for & support us, and we will grant you with a substantial wage, and hence anything (worldly) you desire!

This is a sham view. Totally, ignorant about Islam.

Assalaamu alaikum

Doh!!!

I have (indirectly) been accused of been arrogant while been at this forum, but you make my arrogance look comparatively mild!!!!!

Sorry I am unable to even comment upon your obscure interpretation of my words, for fear that I will be the rudest I have ever been at this forum�

It�s a shame you are blindly unaware of the goals the evil forces in society are working towards!  

Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

Thank you to all those whom have helped me in my time at this forum�

I am leaving now, as I am satisfied that there is no more I can personally do.

I approached your leaders with a gift, however they ignored me, do they already know best!? To me it feels like they are suggesting - �I have chosen individual success, at the cost of Islamic success!�  

I think it has become quite apparent that your (corrupt) leaders vex me, a state of mind I no longer wish to entertain, and hence I am leaving to go rest in predestination. There I will await, to see if your leaders wisely choose the Here-after, ahead of the fleeting life of this world.

I bid you farewell�

& good luck

Assalaamu alaikum

I�d just like to say that I now further appreciate the fact that, �we� are not always going to (initially) perceive what each other says, and hence I offer Du�a in the hope that Allah bestows a greater degree of patience and compassion upon me.

The previous point I was trying to make with regards to mathematics was that it (as a source of discovering knowledge) will never be able to comprehend Allah {SWT}, or the secrets of His creation. I did not intend to suggest that a person would be in err in studying mathematics at a higher educational level (as there are many positive worldly uses for such knowledge), rather that a person would be wasting their time in following the pursuit of trying to comprehend Allah {SWT} via mathematics. 

I say this in light of the fact that, it is a person�s spiritual perception that will allow them to answer the secrets of existence/reality, rather than intellectual perception (which is limited to observing worldly phenomena). If I may offer a brief example�..

A scientist may take a tissue sample from my physical body, and from this he/she may be able to show you a string of letters that constitutes my DNA. However in no way does this �material data� describe who I am, my personality, the good deeds I have done, etc.

That does not mean I am unable to illustrate and describe (in a scientific manner) what the Kursi is, as the manner in which I can describe it is more easily understood than the (scientific) mathematical attempts I have so far witnessed.

What I am trying to say is that my evidence of the Kursi, constitutes both spiritual & physical understanding, for it is impossible to perceive the Kursi, until you perceive how energy (form) first came into existence, from its �non-physical source�.

If this has served to cause more confusion, I am sorry�.. for all this confusion is as a result of my not been able to discuss how I need to release this information, with someone of knowledge whom I feel I can trust.

midway,

You caught my interest.  I am curious to know what the kursi is.

Peace
Arabian

Arabain,

Until you change your attitude, I will not have the motivation to discuss these matters (with you).

You are disrespectful in the way you assume �we� are ignorant of your deception!

midway,

I don't see how my posts would come off as disrespectful.  Sure I don't always agree with you, but that does not mean I am disrespecting you (Obviously you don't agree with me).  I have a neutral attitude and that wont change.  You are always talking about the Kursi and the special knowledge you gained from it.  I am interested in hearing your point of view and perhaps we can discuss it.  If you are not interested then fine, I won't force you.

Peace,
Arabian