As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

After a very restless night I have decided to leave Islamicity.

Many times, I tried to instil a sense of unity amongst us but unfortunately I failed. We are so divided it is unreal. Each group calling the others names, it is a circus out there. Just as the brothers here criticise and don�t even regard the Wahabi scholars as scholars they (the Wahabi) also don�t regard you as scholars either. Muslim and Sunni are names of the past � the two mainstream groups are Alhul Salafi and Alhul Bid'ah. The egroup that I referred to only rejected the Fatawas I posted from Islamweb, Islam Online, Sunnipath and others. The articles the moderator sent me were sent privately not posted on the boards. Here on IC you don�t only reject their (the Wahabi) Fatawa but you join the non-Muslims in criticising not only the Fatawa but by extension the Ayah from the Glorious Qur'an and Hadith. If we don�t agree with a scholar, present your view quoting from the Glorious Qur'an and Sunnah. That is the only logical way, not criticising and denying the authentic of an authentic Hadith or any Ayah. If the so-called scholar is using the Ayah and Hadith in an incorrect manner to support his own whims and fancies � show him as a fraud by presenting your case supported from the Shariah not opinions and views based on your whims and fancies. You are no better than the person whom you are criticising when you do that.

Unity is something we will never achieve with this type of attitude. Islam is Islam, we don�t make excuses or apologise for aspects of Islam to please the non-Muslims. If the Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alayhi wa Sallam) and his noble companions did that, they would not have suffered any hardship. They suffered prosecution for 13 long years.

I know I will not find a forum which accepts the views of Ahlul-Sunni (teachings based on the Glorious Qur'an and Sunnah) in the true sense of the word Insha Allah I can always start a Blog on a site that is Islamically based.

I tried to delete my membership but couldn�t find where to do so in the Setting.

With a very heavy heart and much sadness I appeal to one of the Moderators to delete my membership.

If any member wishes to keep in contact with me you can do so: lovesakeenah has my email address, you can get it from her.

May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala during this Gracious Month forgive us for our shortcoming, guide us to Righteous and Unite His Ummah. Ya Allah! Unite us, Unite Us, Unite Us Ameen!

Wa Alaikum Salam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Alwardah,

People are imperfect and have varying opinions.  That does not make them bad people.  And just because someone disagrees with an interpretation does not mean they find the whole thing false. 

Don't think I am bashing on the Quran and the Sunnah.  I disagree with men's (meaning mortal mankind) interpretations of God's perfect light. 

We are all imperfect and subject to being wrong.  As humans, we have been blessed by the Creator to have a rational mind and freewill.  We have been blessed to think for ourselves and to view and interpret things on our own. 

Don't think because you have a different view point that its unwelcomed.  People need to share and express.  I see many of my sisters around the world being hurt.  It makes me sad and angry, perhaps I get a little too ferocious in my defense of their humanity and their freedoms and the injustices done to them in the name of religion.  I do not point to one faith, all are to blame.  Certainly my own church has dark histories in regards to women and race.  So, if I get riled up over issues that prevent women from getting the help they need, forgive me.

I may not agree with you Alwardah, but please don't go because of that.  The world is not black and white. 

Sometimes, its just best to say "You have your way and I have mine...Peace"

As'Salamu Alaikum,

The day i read Sis Alwardah's thread, i was in shock that why those members , close to me leave me so quickly. Secondly, i felt her reason to leave was invalid.

But today, after reading her detailed mail, i do affirm her decision. Just that "Saudi thread" was not the reason for her to take such tough decision. Anyways, insha-Allah we shall see her soon. I shall try my best, not to loose such member.

I thank all the members for your responses.

Sister Alwardah,

Please know that you give so much to the board even your not being satisfied from the board but please consider that Allah loves the ones who gives even they suffer....

Please re-think on the issue...

and stay all in Peace....

Sister, we live in a world of many disagreements. And, all of us are limited to express ourselves only in ways we know.

So, will you also quit the world simply because people are unable to agree with you or express themselves in your prefered format?

Or, will you train them just by your solid noble example?

You are like a solid ship in a stormy sea, and you are a beacon to those of us that sometimes flounder.

Hamsheer'em, I am glad, you have noticed her plan. Please talk with her more.

We, pobre men, are manufactured without much tools of intelligence, we just run out of our words and all other steam, in no time. Maryah, just imagine, what will happen if you, her or just the other few sisters who keep this Forum alive, leave? Then we will be left watching just Servetus and our Sign Reader passing the candle to each other.

(Passing the Candle is an ancient tradition of poetic gatherings - when the candle was passed on to a poet - he just had to start!)

Sister Alwardah

salamu alaikum

Stay put sister. Don't leave. This forum need you badly

Abu Mujahid

Poll for Leave of Sister Alwardah,

If you do agree with her leave please send 5,-USD to my iban account number stated below,if you do not agree with her leave please send 10,-USD to my iban account number.

I will announce the results on 31 Oct 2007...

Thanks in advance.

Iban number of Brother Suleyman:TR640020300000001421042950

rami wrote: Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem what saudi thread?

As-Salaam Alaikum,

This saudi thread

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10364&PN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10364&am p;PN=1 .

But, that is not the only reason she left.

Hakeema

Sister Alwadah, shall be back after Eid. Please don't create fuss.

She needed a break and so she shall back soon.

As Salamu Alaikum.. Eid Mubarak to all muslims arround the Universum...

Sister Alwardah, has decided to leave.

I have read a bit of this thread about saudi thread, I think, she may should keep that, to leave...

That is best, Allahu Aleem...

Salaamu Alaykum, Sister,

I understand how you feel.  But on one hand you say you want unity, but on the other you want to leave and not work things out.  We aren't going to agree on much, but if we stop talking, we'll agree on even less.  It'll just be quieter.

I think we should emphasize things that we agree on.  Let's work to decrease poverty and stop humiliation of women as a weapon in war.

Let's work on getting women who have been thus harmed respect, dignity and love from people to show that they perpertrators do not have the power they thought if the families continue to love each other.  Allah, The Loving, already has that in control.  

You're worried about issues.  I'm worried about all that this world has taken from my children and continues to throw at them with little or no help from Muslims while they are being attacked for being believers.

Maybe you could just reevaluate your stances or emphases?

Salaamu Alaykum

Daniel Dworsky wrote: Will you take a check? Can't you be serious!!!!?

I appreciated the laugh, really! And don't be concerned that my envelope bounces into your hands.  It's nothing, really.

As Salamu Alaikum  Sister

Thanks for the response, I have already reconsidered and have started posting.

I also worry about the children of the world�..being childless, does not mean I don�t care about them.

The way I look at it we cannot help women or the poor unless we start implementing Allah�s Law according to the Glorious Qur'an and Sunnah.

Our goals are not different but the path we take is���..if we become better practising Muslims ourselves, unite as an Ummah we are creating the best atmosphere for our children to grow up in and our families to live in.

May Allah protect our children, guide us and keep us on the Siratul-Mustaqeem. Ameen!

Wa Alaikum Salam

Daniel Dworsky wrote: Will you take a check? Can't you be serious!!!!?

Hmm...,i have remembered a old saying of Turks....

Forget it...

Peace be with you sister, Alwardah,

I would only say one thing, and that is we should stand for justice even if iits against your self. its in the haddieth and the Glorious Quran. By reasoning, we can change things, by anger and aggression we only doom our selfs. i hope we can mature as co- religionist and contribte some thing that is worthy...

 Palestine  

palistine wrote: Peace be with you sister, Alwardah, I would only say one thing, and that is we should stand for justice even if iits against your self. its in the haddieth and the Glorious Quran. By reasoning, we can change things, by anger and aggression we only doom our selfs. i hope we can mature as co- religionist and contribte some thing that is worthy...    Palestine

Peace to you too. I totally agree with you.

Anger is a very strong emotion and I almost ruined myself.

See you around.

Peace again Alwardah,

Its nice to see you rolling agian. i look forward to more rufutes from your side and less emotions. we are lacking more of these in the family.

Palestine