Why did you move the two threads:

erasing Mecca's history and King Abdullah, was this smart - to intrafaith, neither of them really belongs there. Mecca's history is also part of the world history, tearing down building of holy significance and islamic architect/decorations, while it does belong to islam it also partly belongs to the world, much of it gave way to ideas to the rest of the world. Even in the article there is an english scholar speaking out against what is happening in Mecca.

And the King Abdullah thread, well when the Pope is in involved or anyone from another faith system or region of the world, that is kinda interfaith or current events or general or political, who know at the moment whether that sword giving is just politcal. It is common knowledge that leaders of the world generally give gifts.

Once again, you addressed me as "peacemarker." This is the third time you have done so. I expect you to at least address me properly; failing to do so may be termed as name-calling.

Hi Angela:

Once Angel posted her complaint, you should not have posted yours in this thread. Please see the following rule:

 Guidelines

peacemaker wrote: Hi Angel: Once again, you addressed me as "peacemarker." This is the third time you have done so. I expect you to at least address me properly; failing to do so may be termed as name-calling.

third?? maybe twice. where's the third?

Peacemaker, honestly its just an innocent mistake and typing situtation, I sometimes accidently do that with Christ, for some reason it happens not because I am doing it deliberating!!!!!!!

for you to go and say that it will be deemed name calling is unnecessary

Again I apologise

but there is no need to say you will deem it as name calling, a bit harsh it is! I never say that when some calls me Angela or thinks I am male. You should know me by now that I would not be doing it on purpose!!

Now back to the topic: I am not necessarily obligated to reply to every complaint in this public space in connection with my moderation.

However, I have already described in a relevant thread in intra faith section as to why that decision was made. You may like to see that:  King Abd�ullah: Was this smart? Yes, the topics under discussion here could belong to Current Events and interfaith, but seeing the sectarian nature that didn�t represent main stream Islam, it also belonged to intra faith section. Looking that this is Islamic forum where Islam (main stream Islam ) should be presented in the best possible way to the world, such topics ( that could belong to many sections, including intra faith section ) would be moved to intra faith section. At surface level, I agree with what you say, but looking at a deeper level, it would become evident that the issue is much bigger than just giving sword in a gift to the Pope by King Abdullah. And such threads, related to intra faith in some way, belong to intra faith only. May Allah guide us all. Peace

Peacemaker, i don't necessarily disagree with you entirely but right now I don't have words to continue, got to go to work and I just want to scream, this is frustrating.   

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"And such threads, related to intra faith in some way, belong to intra faith only."

There are many threads that are like that, to me they are multifacet, are you going to put them all in intrafaith? 

Being in intrafaith means that you stay within the scope. But some involve other aspects, for e.g: like mecca's history and the sword gift involving outside facets, which needs to be in a neutral place, like interfaith or politic or current events. And because it involves non muslims as usually stated in articles, that should also be considered and involve non muslim participations. The two examples involve non muslims in the articles, that should say something. Also with the sword giving to the Pope, you render it unable for christians to be involved, they should also be able to participate afterall it involves their spiritual leader. I am sure you would object to this if it was the other way around?   

Moving threads without considering the posters involved is inconsiderate. I've talked about this before on and off. Obviously its going to still happen. Things need to be thought about before moving threads around. I did give my suggestions on what to do awhile back.

Angel,

I know that this issue has been raised over and over, and it has been explained over and over. These are called differences of opinion. Let us respect them and move on. But, if you keep bringing the same issue repeatedly, at one point, it may be difficult to continue responding.

Another thing is that while I don't say that you deliberately misspelled me, I would say that it was the third time you did that. First time, when you did that, I deliberately ignored to give you benefit of doubt.

"Peacemarker, in that natural course of talking, of course things/topics may change, but still it is rude to move elsewhere when some people, involved in discussion, cannot anymore."

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9463&PN=1&TPN=3 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9463& ;PN=1&TPN=3

Second time, you did that some days ago, I politely and respectfully mentioned it.

And then you did the third time in this thread. Please spell "peacemaker" properly when you address me next time. It goes against the rules of the forum to misspell someone.

Peace

Peace

Brother Peacemaker,

In Angel's defense, of all things to be upset about [because it is obvious that it bothers you] why get upset over the mispelling of names? Angel has been here longer than me and has posted more longer than me and has been quite respectful of Islamic beliefs. I don't see where in the depths of your conscious could you conceive Angel's name- falibility as some sort of name calling or would even consider it? There are many variables to why we mispell consistently, I know I do. Maybe we are tired and want to post a comment before going to bed? What if, after finishing our post, miss our typos? Peacemarker is so mclose to Peacemaker that, I don't think a lot of people catch it, I know I didn't until you brought it up. As her friend I for one stand by her in the fact that she didn't deliberately do it.

We are all humans and make mistakes online and offline......

Israfil wrote: Brother Peacemaker, In Angel's defense, of all things to be upset about [because it is obvious that it bothers you] why get upset over the mispelling of names? Angel has been here longer than me and has posted more longer than me and has been quite respectful of Islamic beliefs. I don't see where in the depths of your conscious could you conceive Angel's name- falibility as some sort of name calling or would even consider it? There are many variables to why we mispell consistently, I know I do. Maybe we are tired and want to post a comment before going to bed? What if, after finishing our post, miss our typos? Peacemarker is so mclose to Peacemaker that, I don't think a lot of people catch it, I know I didn't until you brought it up. As her friend I for one stand by her in the fact that she didn't deliberately do it. We are all humans and make mistakes online and offline......

Yes, mistakes happen in spelling in general. We all do that. But, misspelling name of a fellow participant/moderator ( and that too after it has been mentioned ) is a different thing. It goes against basic manners.

The very first rule goes like this:

1. We manage here an Islamic discussion board, thus all members are requested to maintain the decorum, as per the standards of an Islamic cultural society. Any joke or casual statement which the moderators find insensitive may result in editing or deletion. Since this is an Islamic site, utmost importance and respect is to be given to the teachings of Islam, which include the Quran and Hadith.

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4589&PN=1 - Guidelines

I do my best not to misspell someone's name in this public space nor do I want that anybody's name, including my name be misspelled here. 

Another thing is that while I appreciate that you wanted to support Angel, I reiterate that please don't take part in the thread where someone has posted a complaint:

14. The "Comments and Complaints" section is not a discussion forum where all Users may take part. Only the concerned User, with the original complaint (topic starter), and IC Moderators/Administrators should take part in conversations so that the complaint can be appropriately resolved. Besides, if a complaint is also shared by many others, dealing with it would automatically help others as well. For example: If 50 people have the same complaint, responding to the original post of User (topic starter) would obviously address all concerned Users. Moderators should be addressed respectfully and complaints should be made politely.

 Guidelines

I may be away for couple of days. And I accept Angel's apology about misspelling.  

Let us move on. Life has many other important issues to deal with.

May Allah guide us all.

Peace

peacemaker wrote: Angel, I know that this issue has been raised over and over, and it has been explained over and over.

Yes and Actually NO! it has not been explained over and over it is simply ignored, especially when it is mentioned its inconsiderate and rude and people cannot participate any longer. Also I agree with having things in its proper place & that i didn't entirely disagree. I also gave suggestions awhile back but did they get acknowledge? no.

Also I am not the only one that brings up the issue many others have (and don't forget about the post count issue - these issues really need to be sorted otherwise they will continue even without me. Alot of people are complaining it is making a bit of a discourse instead of smooth running of the boards. The boards were created for people muslims and non muslims and for unity among people, without it there would be no boards. These two issues are obviously a big issue otherwise they would not be propping up from time to time, which also should indicate that there is a problem with it but it is not getting sorted out. You ask people for suggestion which i think is amicable but...what's the point, people are crying out for this to solved or changed alittle, not asking to change everything. 

I am not the only one that brings this up but I am the most outspoken one for this, probably why it seems that i'm the only one that brings it up, many people agree with me. I know I did this time, but Angela put her view which is not new either. 

These are called differences of opinion. Let us respect them and move on.

Differences of opinion, maybe but I don't think so entirely. You talk about respect and islamic behaviour, how is it moving threads on people for them not to be able to participate anymore islamic and respectful? I think I posed that question once before. never got an answer.

Another thing is that while I don't say that you deliberately misspelled me, I would say that it was the third time you did that. First time, when you did that, I deliberately ignored to give you benefit of doubt. "Peacemarker, in that natural course of talking, of course things/topics may change, but still it is rude to move elsewhere when some people, involved in discussion, cannot anymore." http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9463&PN=1&TPN=3 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9463& ; ;PN=1&TPN=3

thanks for showing, it was awhile ago. 

It goes against the rules of the forum to misspell someone. Peace

Peacemaker, the amount of times people have misspelled my name or refered to me as 'he' and refered to me as angela, i've lost count. But I am not to about to report them or say its against forum rules, its over the top and nik picking and this is coming from somewho likes their name spelled correctly  

peacemaker wrote: It goes against the rules of the forum to misspell someone.

Yes, mistakes happen in spelling in general. We all do that. But, misspelling name of a fellow participant/moderator ( and that too after it has been mentioned ) is a different thing. It goes against basic manners.

My first reaction to this is you got to be joking in big bold letters in my head, thinking this is just nick picking and ridicolous and my jaw dropping. How is it a different thing? we all make mistakes online and offline as per Israfil mentioned and you agreed. You have no idea how i like my names spelled correctly but...gee i am not about to condemn them.

Please say this only refers to those who are bullies who name call people??   

I do my best not to misspell someone's name in this public space nor do I want that anybody's name, including my name be misspelled here.

we all are like that Peacemaker.  you have no idea how conscientious (think its spelled wrong) I am  but at times obviously there are mistakes.

peacemaker wrote: I may be away for couple of days. And I accept Angel's apology about misspelling.   Let us move on. Life has many other important issues to deal with. May Allah guide us all. Peace

And I hear you or see you

Assalamu Alaikum and hi everyone,

There is always room for improvement at all levels in the way one behaves or interacts with fellow human beings. As a moderator, I carry even a bigger responsibility to act in the best possible manner. Even though my intention was not and is not to hurt anybody, I apologize to anyone who might have been offended in any way.

I appreciate your concerns toward me, the moderator group, and the forum in general, and we will see, within our capacities, to figure out what is the best in the interest of all.

We look forward to making this forum a better place for all those who visit here to learn, share, and grow together.

May Allah guide us all.

"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance."