Bro.Israfil , did u read that link.

Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) did not invite to Islam because God hated everyone other than Muslims. He was appointed to his mission because Allah (swt) loves ALL of humanity.

The word �Holiday� comes from �Holy Day�. There is nothing wrong with observing any day and every day as Holy.

 I visited the site islamqa.com. There is too much stuff there. I have copied only one q/a and I post it below:

 Question:
Is it permissible for Muslims to take part in their festivals, such as Christmas?

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.  

It is not permissible for the Muslim to join the kuffaar in their festivals and to express joy and happiness on these occasions, or to take the day off work, whether the occasion is religious or secular, because this is a kind of imitating the enemies of Allaah, which is forbidden, and a kind of co-operating with them in falsehood. It was proven that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: �Whoever imitates a people is one of them.� And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

�Help you one another in Al‑Birr and At‑Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Severe in punishment�[al-Maa'idah 5:2] 

We advise you to refer to the book Iqtidaa� al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him), for it is very useful on this topic. [Translator�s note: This book is available in English under the title �The Right Way,� published by Darussalam, Riyadh]. 

And Allaah is the source of strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions, and grant them peace. 

Standing Committee on Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas, Fatwa no. 2540.

 I do not feel that those celebrating christmas (christians) are kuffar. If I join any one in his festival or I wish any christian or Jew well, I do not feel that I am imitating him/her.

 In the above fatwa, it is said that "Do not join the kuffar (enemies of Allah) in their celebrations."  Well that is good. I will never join the Kuffar. But if I wish any one of the ahle Kitab "good wishes" that seems to be a different thing.

 The hadith or verse quoted does not apply to me at least. I have wished the christians well on X-mas and I feel that I have not done anything wrong. Thanks.

 Please remain on the topic. I had read only a part of the site address. There were many topics. I just picked up the first one and presented the same to all friends.

 You also believe that Christians are not kafirs. But the fatwa is forbidding the attending of celebrations of the kafirs. You can read it above. Chrismas is a celebration of christians, i.e. not kafirs.

 I feel that you have no time to read anything yourself. I would request that you please comment on the Fatwa that I have reproduced from the given site. Thanks. Otherwise produce some other Fatwa.

 Sorry, Knowledge01, I misunderstood you. Now I have noted that you consider the christians as Kafirs. I am surprised. Can you prove that Jews and christians are to be called kafirs?? i was believing that they had a different status to the Kuffar and Mushrikin, as per Quran. Am I wrong?? Were they kafir in the time of the prophet s.a.w.s. or they have become Kafir now?? Try to deal with this matter gently.

okay.. don't be friends with them... but Muslim men can marry them...??

And this was posted all of last month.. the whole issue of Christmas, etc.

ASA,

I have a question about this?

first of all if you live in the west such as N.America it is almost impossible to just tune out the entire holiday season that centers around the Christian and the Jewish faiths and besides they are believers and Keepers of Allahs book as well although many changes may have been made etc.

Anyways' back to my question we do not participate in non-muslim holidays' but if you work in any type of big industry such as my husband their plant shuts down for two weeks for Christmas as do the public schools so to say that you should just avoid anything leading up to celebrations is almost impossible. Also, i think it's rude not to wish your neighbors a happy holiday you can't always live only by muslims.

 I would like some clarifications if possible on what i read at the link provided relating to avoiding the holiday season.

If you don't mind a suggestion I think it would of been better to present your link in a more positive open way because from my understanding there are many new muslims and non-muslims here at this site and it would be better to be more open and positive to help build bridges between gaps instead of possibly burning them. But i do thank you for the link and would appreciate clarifications from anyone if possible.

As'Salamu Alaikum,

Brother Minute man , we shall cometo the point.Can you explain us what kafir means to you. I shall present my understanding of kafir.

Kafir� is derived from the word �kufr�, which means to conceal or to reject. In Islamic terminology, �Kafir� means one who conceals or rejects the truth of Islam and a person who rejects Islam is in English called a �non-Muslim�.

Do present your understanding of the word kufr / kafir

seekshidayath wrote: As'Salamu Alaikum, Brother Minute man , we shall cometo the point.Can you explain us what kafir means to you. I shall present my understanding of kafir. Kafir� is derived from the word �kufr�, which means to conceal or to reject. In Islamic terminology, �Kafir� means one who conceals or rejects the truth of Islam and a person who rejects Islam is in English called a �non-Muslim�. Do present your understanding of the word kufr / kafir

 Thank you Seeks, Please note that I had posted the subject of Kafir on this forum before. You have described the kafir in a vey basic simple way i.e. One who rejects. That means who does not accept. That is a very loose (light) way of describing a kaafir. Please describe what does he do after not accepting Islam?? He is then a non-believer, Right?? That is all, according to the simple meaning of Kaafir. 

But please, that is not so. Try to understand about Al-Shaitan, " Wa Kaana minal Kaafirin". And he was of the Kuffar. (v. 2:34).

Now read verse 12:5, "O my son, do not disclose your vision to your brothers otherwise they will hatch some plan against you. Surely, Al-Shaitan is a clear (well known) enemy of mankind."

There are many other verses describing the Kuffar as the enemies of Islam. Of course, a kafir is a disbeliever (Ghair momin). But he is not a simple disbeliever. He is much more than that. To me, Abu Lahab and Abu Jehl were good examples of a kaafir.

 I see that it is necessary to be an enemy of Islam to be a kafir. If any one does not believe in Islam Muhammad (as the prophet of God) but he does not do anything against Islam then he is not a kafir. I will call him a disbeliever.

I leave it at that for the present. If necessary, I may present more explicit data on the subject. You please, you may describe the kafir in a better way. Do you agree that enmity and opposition is necessary in Kufr or not?? Please tell. Thanks.

Hayfa wrote: okay.. don't be friends with them... but Muslim men can marry them...?? And this was posted all of last month.. the whole issue of Christmas, etc.

 That was a good post. Very interesting and illuminating !!

It does n't mean we hate them sister Hayfa.  We shud n't have emotional attachments with them. Its good if we exchange gifts or visit them when they are in need.If we are emotionally attached to them then there is  some kind of approval in one's heart for the rituals that they do as part of there own religion, and this will weaken our faith. And to congratulate them on the occasion of their festivals is not permitted because  this implies befriending them and approving of their falsehood.

Knowledge01 wrote: I intentionally did not touch on this point because it does not pertain to the topic at hand because sometimes we do not use the word "kafir" properly and as Allah uses it in Al Qur'an Al Karim. In the link, "kafir" will be used to represent all non-Muslims, regardless if they are mushrikeen or Ahlul Kitaab. Your definition is correct though, according to Qur'an and Sunnah. BarakAllahu fik.

Yes brother, but i started this discussion from its root , so as to discuss it with minuteman. We had this discussion last days, which i cud n't pay much attention.

Minute man i didnot understand your definitions. Can u explain them.

  Yes, Seeks, time permitting, I will do it all over, from the scratch, Insha Allah. May be after a day or two. Thank you.

Knowledge here is why I disagree see the following quotes:

Collecting donations to give gifts to poor families at Christmas

In my school it is Christmas time. My school has this Christmas tradition. Every year a classroom gets an adopted family that is poor so they can buy gifts, food, and donate money to them for Christmas. Unfortunately, I have refused to donate any money or give any food for the following reason: -These denotations will be done in the name of christmas, so that when the adopted family receives these donations, they will say "God Bless The Christians".
Am I right for refusing to give donations?

The highlighted above is a misleading question. Some people receive donations to help poor people out during Christmas time purely out of semi-altruism. If someone is poor they are mostly likely thankful enough to receive the gift and bless anyone who had a part in the gift whether they are Muslim, Jewish or Christian.

Muslims must beware of imitating the Christians in their festivals and of following the customs that belong only to them. You did well and you did the right thing when you did not agree to collect donations for poor families

This is ridiculous advice. So you congratulate this person for not helping with the collection of money to help poor families out yet, don't encourage this person to give him/herself in the name of Islam? I understand this is simply a Q & A but the answer is not logical. Giving during Christmas time and the meaning of this act is not universal to everyone. Some people give because commercially speaking, this is the time when people give the most because people typically buy gifts for their families and spend a lot of money. So when you see the collection of toys for poor families its not always done in the name of Jesus or the Messiah or whatever it is sometimes done in the "spirit" of giving back to other human beings who are less fortunate.

"If we Muslims want to give in charity, we can give to those who really deserve it"

So poor people during Christmas time are less deserving?

"We should do that whenever there is a need, and make the most of good and great occasions such as the month of Ramadaan and the first ten days of Dhu�l-Hijjah, and other virtuous occasions when rewards are multiplied"

This is contradictory. The person states "We should do that whenever there is a need," yet states further, "and make the most of good and great occasions such as the month of Ramadan and the first ten days of Dhul'Hijjah, and other virtuous occasions when rewards are multiplied." So we should donate only on virtuous days which reards are multiplied? Doesn't sound like altruistic advice to me. Why would I care about my rewards being multiplied in the first place when giving to other humans? If I do something because I believe I'll get a reward from God then I'm not doing an act out of sincerity of myself but because I believe that what I'm doing will spiritually benefit me. This is not true altruism but inherent selfishness. In addition, the person giving advice express that we should give to those anytime regardless of the occassion which I agree, but contradicts this by specifying an Islamic holiday simply because rewards are multiplied during this time this is not reasonable thinking.

Is it permissible for a Muslim to eat the foods that the people of the Book or the mushrikoon prepare for their festivals or accept such foods if they are given on the occasion of their festivals?.

HMMM....

"It is not permissible for the Muslim to eat foods that the Jews, Christians and mushrikoon make for their festivals. It is not permissible either for a Muslim to accept such things that are given to them on the occasion of their festivals, because that implies honouring them and cooperating with them in manifesting their symbols and propagating their innovations and sharing their happiness on the days of their festivals."

The blue part of this remark is more of an assumption than a factual statement. First, the only way I'm cognizant of a Jewish or Christian holiday is first by its commercilization in the media. So, if I receive a gift during these holidays yet the gift is done in the spirit of goodwill how am I honoring it? I understand if a Muslim partakes in the actual festival (such as participating in the nativity scene or lighting a Menorah-ouch I may have mispelled that). However if one receives food from a Jewish or Christian person during these times is it not out of courtesy that we take it? Even if we accept these gifts out of courtesy how are we honoring them? This is something the author didn't explain in detail. There are several ways to look at this because if someone gives even during their religious festivals it may not be done in the name of their religion, again it may be done in the "spirit" of giving. In some religious practices, during their festival holidays they are taught to give to other humans in good will. We should be prepared to answer this.

His mother will be angry if he does not celebrate Mother�s Day

Celebrating Mother�s Day is an innovated matter which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) did not do.

I agree that Mother's Day is an invented holiday, but let's put things into perspective here. First off women globally are not treated in the same respect as men ANYWAY and in many sectors on the globe are disadvantaged on many levels in society so putting things in this perspective why is it so wrong to partake is this non-religious holiday? I understand that most actions of muslims must imitate the prophet however we ourselves are not prophets and not Muhammad. If such a holiday like Mother's Day does not interfere with Islam why not partake in it? This is not adding it in Muslim festivities but this more or less recognizing your mother on one day despite the current circumstances women are in. Some Muslim men do not openly celebrate their wives period because we are so conservative as it is so how can we show the world that we love our women? If you asked me I'd rather be known to celebrate an artifical day such as Mother's Day than being recognized by the newspress for beating my wife.

In our religion mothers have been given something which has not been given to them in any other religion; the mother�s rights take precedence over those of the father.

We always talk big about the benefits of our faith yet societies across the planet do not reflect this reality. We need to stop saying what we have and what other religions don't have just maintain practicing our faith and rebuilding ourselves. Muslims nowadays do too much religion comparing and not enough actual practicing. When some of our brothers and sisters stop committing murderous crimes and harming each other for ignorant reasons or imprison our own simply for a difference of opinion I'll be less harsh.

Overall

There are many foreigners (Arab, Southeast Asians, Central Asians etc) who own liquor stores near where I work and have Allah frames behind their counters (of course away from public eye). There are Muslims who celebrate the prophet Muhammad's birthday. There are Muslims who wail in front of Ali's shrine and there are Muslims who whip themselves to imitate a historical event. There are Muslims who belly dance (yes it is a provocative dance) and smoke Hookah ( there are chemical elements that constitute it as a drug) and smoke Marijuana. Despite the current title who are we to tell each other about participating in non-muslim festivities when we have conjured up ones of our own? I personally believe that we should take consideration the intentions of others who give in the name of their faith and what we do by participating in it. I'm not condoning celebrating Christmas or Hannukah, but we ned to be more considerate when taking and giving during these times. I don't think its good advice to tell someone (especially if they're young) don't give to poor families on Christmas because it may honor Christians, rather the individual should encourage the person to give and if the person gives during the time of Christmas give in the name of Islam and human goodwill.

ASA,

Thank you for the extended explanation.

I would have to say br. Israfil does also have a good point about teaching young children to give.

As a mother it's important to me to teach my kids to give to the needy and to be honest I don't have a problem giving to a food bank during this time of year.

Years ago when my oldest was in kindergarten I remember one of the lunch moms' saying how sad she always felt right before any of the holiday or summer breaks because most of the students took the state funded free breakfast and lunch and many of them wouldn't be getting all three meals at home during the breaks.

So I think there is two sides to every issue nothing is ever black and white without a little gray mixed in. If you are going to be a good muslim the best you can you should open your heart and give as much as you can whenever the need arises even if it happens to fall during a non-Islamic holiday.

Thanks again you did clarify from the original post and br. Israfil continued on in his posting as well.

Seekshidayath, how can you not have emotional attachments to non-muslim family members? It isnt fair to generalise in this way. For us reverts we all have individual circumstances. My 11yr old son does not live with me, but with his father. How can I disassociate from him and his Christmas celebration just because I accepted Islam and he as such is still a Christian? That isnt fair to my son, regardless of my own beliefs now. Am I supposed to give up my youngest altogether?  

 I see that this is a fundamental question of behaviour. It may be right or wrong. We should try to analyse it and find out the truth. Muslims are to do good not only for the muslims. But for the whole humanity. If need be and I get a chance, I will help the Hindu and the christians as well as Muslims. And if their life is threatened, I would do my utmost  to save their life. I hope I won't be wrong. But let the truth come out, bright as daylight.

I feel this is a good topic because it's important for teaching us the proper method for acting towards non-muslim holidays. Because I will admit I do not know everything about Islam and still have quite a bit to learn ( like many of us do-gaining Knowledge in Islam is a life long progress), it is fundemental for us to learn what is and isn't haraam. In my opinion I think it is obvious that we should not particpate in holidays that belong to other faiths. But the matter of greeting and praising a holiday is a bit more challenging to determine.

I will never greet a non-muslim with a 'merry christmas', etc, or greet one back with such a phrase. Becuase in my heart I do not wish for them a merry Christmas. I do want for my fellow associates to follow Christianity so in all honestly I do not praise them any happiness in their holidays. Or any jewish holidays, budda holidays, etc. Yes, I respect their decision to follow the faith they chose to, but I do not wish them any happiness in their holidays and activites which only support there wrongful ways.

Now, if I am greeted with a universial 'happy holidays' I will also greet back with a 'happy holiday'. Because it is a universial comment that does not display any form of religion.

I have notice that some non-muslim are simply ignorant and sometimes mean no harm. While I do not understand if I'm wearing hijab I will still be greeted with a 'merry Christmas' blows my mind, but I am a kind individual and the best way to approach such a situation is to finish conducting buisness with the individual, have a small smile and walk away, their is no need to be disrespectful.

Now in my opinion the matter of non-religious holidays in my opinion is a matter of choice when determining if we as Muslims should particpate in them. Nothing that I know of in the Quran or as a hadith points out that it is haraam.

For example I heard talks of mothers day be spoken of in previously points.

What could be haraam about celebrating mothers day?!

No, the prophet Mohammed(pbuh) did not celebrated mothers day (or fathers day). But these holidays were not invented during his times.

Yes, we as mothers and fathers should be praised for our duties 365 days a year, but is their ANY WRONG for taking a particular day and making it special?

Yes, thanksgiving should be given 365 days a year, but if a non-muslim family member would like to get the family together as a reunion and to share common food together( Yes, I will stay away from pork), am I wrong for attending dinner with my family?

 Yes, Layalee, good post. You should greet the non Muslims in a very good way and always wish them well from the bottom of your heart please. Such that you really mean it.

The christians are regularly celebrating christmas (25 December). It is their festival, right or wrong. If you wish them well, there is no harm. If you want to guide them, in future, to a good way of life i.e. Islam, it is better to greet them and well treat them. Otherwise, when you will try to preach to them, they will tell you to please take your Sermon to your own home.

 I cannot see anything bad in greeting a christian with a merry christmas, or a good morning, or a happy new year. It has not harmed me any. I do not go near pork/bacon or wine.

 If I am afraid that by greeting the christians, I will become a christian, that is too bad. That means I am not a proper Muslim. I am not well guided about my own religion and I am afraid. That would be bad. What do you say about me please. I am just another individual like all of you.

martha wrote: Minuteman, I dont believe you are wrong to want to help everyone. I'm exactly the same. I have never struggled so much with religion until I became a muslim. It is very hard. Yet I know God is still the same God to me as before. So I keep going.

 Martha, Greetings, Assalam u Alaikum,

 By accepting Islam, you have lost nothing. If you were a christian before (as i believe to be so), you have still got hazrat Isa (Jesu a.s.) with you with more real respect (love) than before. Similarly, you have got all the love of God with you and the love of all the men of God (Prophets).  You have lost nothing.

 You have to look after and love your son more than before. In Islam, the relations of the womb (Rehmi Rishtay) remain intact. If any one breaks those relations of the womb, i.e. brotherly or sisterly or maternal / paternal relations then the God ( Allah) who is Rehman, He does accept their prayers.

And pray constantly for the happiness, success and guidance of your son as much as you can. Whatever his religion, you only are his mother. If he feels hurt then do not discuss religion with him. But love him all the time and let him feel your love.

 I hope and pray that you remain satisfied with your new faith and have a good happy life. Ameen.

And pray constantly for the happiness, success and guidance of your son as much as you can. Whatever his religion, you only are his mother. If he feels hurt then do not discuss religion with him. But love him all the time and let him feel your love.

 I hope and pray that you remain satisfied with your new faith and have a good happy life. Ameen.

As'Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

I was n't expecting so many members to participate. Masha-Allah.

Now, i bear more responsibility over this topic. I seek help from Allah swt and pray Allah swt, to guide us over a right path. Ameen

Am not a knowledgable person to discuss this topic and answer all your questions, though am trying to know them too. Am ready to accept that its not wrong to celebrate non-muslim festivals. I did not get a single proof to change my views.

I request you all to please go thru this link, which is bit long and if you are truly yearning for a right path, may Allah swt, bestow his blessing.

http://www.zawaj.com/articles/celebrations_munajjid.html - http://www.zawaj.com/articles/celebrations_munajjid.html

Its explained how we imitate them and i hope all your questions get answered. Please do take out some time and read it.

Celebrataing Non Muslim Holiday

Is it permissible for Muslims to celebrate or participate in holidays such as Halloween, Brithdays, and Christmas functions?

Innal hamda lillaahu Ta'alaa. Wa Salaatu wa Salaamu 'alaa Rasuulullaahi, wa 'alaa ahlihi, wa ashaabihi, wa 'alaa man tabi'uhum bi ihsanin ilaa Yawmid Deen wa Sallamu tasleeman khatheeran. Amma ba'du.

The Prophet {Sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam} made it very clear that in Islaam there are two festivals or holidays.  These are the 'Eid fesrivals.  The celebrations and holidays of the people are from among the actions that most distinguish one people from another. {In a Hadith is Sunan Abu Dawuud}

The Messenger of Allaah {Sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam} said, "Whoever imitates (or resimbles) a people is one of them."

Therefore, it is not allowed for Muslims to participate in the holidays or celebrations of the non-Muslims.  Shaykhul Ialaam ibn Taymiyyah {Rahimahullaahu Ta'alaa} wrote in itiqadha al Sirat al Mustaqeem (vol.1,p.470).,

"There are a number of points that must be considered when discussing (the non-Muslims) festivals and hoildays.  First, festivals and holidays are from the wide range of laws, ways, and rites that Allah {Subhaanuhu wa ta'alaa} describes in the verse, 'For every nation We have established rites that they follow,' such as facing the Qiblah, prayer and fasting.  Here is no difference between joining them in their festivals and joining them in their other rites.  Agreeing to their hoilday is agreeing to infidelity (kufr), and agreeing to some minor aspects (of their religion) is like agreeing to a branch of infidelity.  In fact, the holidays and festivals are one of the major items that distinguishes their customs and laws, and are one of the most odvious of their rites.  Agreeing to it is agreeing to one of the most specific of the acts of infidelity and one of the most blaten of their rituals.  There is no doubt that agreeing to or being in accord with something of that nature can only lead to apostasy, in general, given its conditions."

Indeed, beyond that, the scholars have even said that it is not allowed for a Muslims to congratulate the non-Muslims on the holidays or festivals.  Ibn Qayyim in Ahkam Ahlul Dhimma (vol, !, p. 205) writes.

"Giving congragulations on the special events that are specific to the desbelievers, such as congratulating them on their holidays by saying, 'Blessed holiday for you.' or other similar greetings, is considered forbidden by the agreement of the scholars.  Even if the one who starts it is free from many aspect of apostasy, it is still forbidden and it is the same as congratulating them upon their prostrations to the crucifix.  In fact, that is one of the greates sins in Allaah's {Subhaanuhu wa Ta'alaa} sight.  That is a greater sin than congratulating them for drinking wine, having illegal sexual intercourse and so on.  Many of them who are not very religious do such things and they do not know how evil what they are doing really is.  Whoever congratulates another human for any sin, heresy, or act of apostasy has exposed himself to the punishment and Anger of Allah {Subhaanuhu wa Ta'alaa}.  The pious people from the earler scholars would avoid congratlation the oppressors when they received positions of authority or the ignorant when they were given judicial or teaching positions in order to avoid the punishment of Allaah {Subhaanuhu wa Ta'alaa} and falling from His Grace.  If a person would be compelled to go to such people to repel any evil that he expected from him, only to speak well to him and to ask Allaah {Subhaamuhu wa Ta'alaa} to guide him, there is nothing wrong with that."

Ibn al Qayyim has included a benificial section mentioning the opinions of the scholars concerning this matter (ahkam ahlu Dhimma, vol.2,p. 722).  it shall be reproduced here with some abridgment:

"In the same way that is not allowed for them to publicly (celebrate their holidays), it is not allowed for the Muslims to assist them for according to the agreement of the People of Knowledge.  In fact, the jurists who follow the four legal schools have made this clear in their books."

Abu al Qasim al Tabari wrote 

"It is not allowed for Muslims to attend their (the desbelievers') holidays and festivals because they are a type of evil false-hood.  If the people of good mix with the people of evil without putting an end to what they are doing then they become like those who are pleased and influenced by the evil.   And fear falling into Allaah's {Subhaanuhu wa Ta'alaa} anger because of their gathering."

Then he stated relying on Abu Hatim's narration, that Amir ibn Murra said about the verse,  "Those who do not witness falsehood,"

"that they do not assist the people of idolatry in their idolatry nor do they associate with them."

Subhaanakallaahumma wa bi hamdika. Ashhadu an laa Ilaaha illaa Anta. Istaghfiruka wa Atuubu ilayka. Ameen

Also do please go thru this link.

http://www.muslimconverts.com/christmas/christmas_european_sisterD.htm - http://www.muslimconverts.com/christmas/christmas_european_s isterD.htm

Mosque says to avoid Western holidays �Thanksgiving Out�
Stewart Bell, National Post

TORONTO - A Toronto mosque is telling Muslims not to say �Happy Thanksgiving� or invite friends into their homes for turkey dinner on the holiday weekend.

The Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque says to �avoid participating� in dinners, parties or greetings on Thanksgiving because it is a kuffaar, or non-Muslim, celebration.

A two-part article on the mosque Web site says Muslims should also �stay completely away� from �Halloween trick-and treat nonsense,� Christmas, New Year�s, anniversaries, birthdays and Earth Day.

�How can we bring ourselves to congratulate or wish people well for their disobedience to Allah? Thus expressions such as:Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Birthday, Happy New Year, etc, are completely out,� it says.

In 2003, the Khalid mosque, which mainly serves the Toronto Somali-Canadian community, apologized for a newsletter that compared wishing someone a Merry Christmas to congratulating a murderer.

At the time, a junior employee was blamed for the slight, but the mosque�s Web site has since posted similar edicts covering not only Christmas but also virtually every other Western celebration.

Muslims who participate in the holidays are termed ignorant and hypocritical.While not all are religious holidays, the Internet site says Muslims are required to be different from non-Muslims �in matters which are representative of them or are characteristic of their identity.�

Also banned, it says, are: watching sports or soap operas, walking dogs, family photos, wedding bands, Western hats, mingling and shaking hands with the opposite sex.

�Allah and his messenger have warned us against following or imitating non-Muslims in things which are characteristic of their religion or beliefs. This is more emphasized in the case of their eids [festivals] or occasions,which always hold some religious or ideological non-Islamic meanings, and on which the kuffaar indulge in many evil practices.�

And regarding the celebrations when it is concerened with families of non-muslims, we need to ask this to scholars as they are learnt persons. Am sure Islam is lenient towards it. They are allowed to be with them. I remember this, as in our previous discussions we read a link from islamonline. But otherwise, when we are n't related to families, we are not to celebrate it. Allah swt, knows the best. May Allah guide us to a right path . Ameen

[edit] Mothering Sunday in Ireland & Britain

Main article: Mothering Sunday

Mothering Sunday, often called "Mothers' Day" in the United Kingdom and Ireland, has no direct connection to the American practice. It falls on the fourth Sunday of Lent (exactly three weeks before Easter Sunday). It is believed to have originated from the 16th century Christian practice of visiting one's mother church annually, which meant that most mothers would be reunited with their children on this day. Most historians believe that young apprentices and young women in servitude were released by their masters that weekend in order to visit their families.[1] As a result of secularization, it is now principally used to celebrate and give thanks for mothers, although it is still recognized in the historical sense by some churches, with attention paid to Mary the mother of Jesus as well as the traditional concept 'Mother Church'.

[edit] Mother's Day in the United States

Main article: Mother's Day (United States)

The United States celebrate Mother's Day on the second Sunday in May. In the United States, Mother's Day was loosely inspired by the British day and was imported by social activist Julia Ward

 By accepting Islam, you have lost nothing. If you were a christian before (as i believe to be so), you have still got hazrat Isa (Jesu a.s.) with you with more real respect (love) than before. Similarly, you have got all the love of God with you and the love of all the men of God (Prophets).  You have lost nothing.

 You have to look after and love your son more than before. In Islam, the relations of the womb (Rehmi Rishtay) remain intact. If any one breaks those relations of the womb, i.e. brotherly or sisterly or maternal / paternal relations then the God ( Allah) who is Rehman, He does accept their prayers.

And pray constantly for the happiness, success and guidance of your son as much as you can. Whatever his religion, you only are his mother. If he feels hurt then do not discuss religion with him. But love him all the time and let him feel your love.

 I hope and pray that you remain satisfied with your new faith and have a good happy life. Ameen

But it looks like I have lost everything. That is if I am to follow scholarly advice.  If I dont follow exactly their words then I become a non-believer. 

In the early days of Islam, the Prophet(pbuH) advised his people because he knew how difficult it would be for them to follow it. Hence all the warnings. However scholars since give their opinions. No photographs,no shaking hands. The list is endless. And scholars vary in their teachings. So now I'm supposed to fear Allah and punishment from Him because others tell me this? And when questions have no satisfactory answer  all I hear is 'Allah knows best'.  I can see why spiritually  weak people could easily abandon Islam. Fortunately I am not one of them. As a Christian before I was taught to avoid all confusing things. Does this now apply to me as a muslim? If this is the case then should I avoid confusing muslims? It looks to me as if I should avoid everyone in this life if Allah is to be pleased with me.

Most people here dont know, or need to know all my circumstances. They only know a small portion of my life. But Allah has always guided me. And I know that every minute of every day He is with me. He is sufficient. And He helps me understand all things in His own time. So forgive me, anyone in the forum, if I fail to embrace some scholarly advice, because I listen to Allah first. And no amount of human ranting or raving, saying that I will be punished will alter my course.

Angel wrote: Is there anywhere in islam, well from the quran and hadith, that provides what the punishment is? And is there anything that implies that Allah will punish you for wishing a merry/happy christmas, or wishing in general for goodness and happiness at anytime whatever the religion or other festivals are?

Angel, I have never read in the Quran of a SPECIFIC punishment for any of our disbelieving actions, but surely Allah(swt) will plan the remaining of our destiny on the final hour when our deeds are weighed.

While the Quran may not talk specifically on congratulating or greeting non-muslims on their relgious holidays[ such as saying: 'Merry christmas, Happy christmas ,happy hanukkah, etc, etc], I feel as if the Quran does indeed provide verses that shows that this is frown upon.

If I use one holiday for the example, we all know that Christmas is a Christian holiday, that is suppose to praise the birth of their savior (Jesus- p.b.u.h).

Prophet Mohammed (p.b.u.h) has never( to the best of my knowledge) celebrated Christmas.

We as Muslim are to only look at Jesus(p.b.uh) as a prophet. To bring him to a higher level are actions of disbelievers.

Al-Tauba 9:30 'And the Jews say, Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say, the Messiah is the son of Allah; that is what they say with their mouths. They IMITATE the sayings of those who disbelieved before them. Allah CURSE be on them! How are they turned away!'

With the knowledge of this verse in my heart. I am a individual that honestly do not want to wish my Christian associates a 'merry' or 'happy' christmas, or any christian holiday, jewish, etc, etc, they choose to follow.

Do I want the best for them in general, insha'Allah? Yes. I do not wish them harm or disapointment. Allah( swt) will take care of them in the end, with the way our Lord choose to.

But I do not want Allah(swt) to ever think I agree with their holiday methods.

How could I praise a religious holiday that I am against??

I do not wish to be a hyprocrite.

The original posting has been a learning experience for me. I learnt how their is a connection with  mother's day with Christian holidays. I will admit I was ignorant to that prior to this topic. Now that I know I will refrain from celebrating Mother's day. Will I respect my non- muslim mother? Of course., but I will show my love for her 365 days a year and hope she respects my decision for not celebrating mothers day. But as a mother, I will ask that others not buy me a gift and to ask that others not pick a particular day to be grateful of my duties.

Al- Imran 3:120 Behold, you are those who love them, but they love you not. And you believe in all the Book. When they meet you they say, 'We Believe', but when they are alone, they bite their finger-tips at you for rage. Say, 'Perish in your rage. Surely, Allah knows well what is hidden in your breasts.' 

Seekhidayath said:

"Am ready to accept that its not wrong to celebrate non-muslim festivals. I did not get a single proof to change my views."

That is because you never addressed my post. When you told me to look at the link I did and I responded back in even greater detail yet convinently, you ignored what I wrote. So now I'll go back to your post and I'll address what you're saying.

Seekshidayath you said:

Agreeing to their hoilday is agreeing to infidelity (kufr), and agreeing to some minor aspects (of their religion) is like agreeing to a branch of infidelity.  In fact, the holidays and festivals are one of the major items that distinguishes their customs and laws, and are one of the most odvious of their rites.  Agreeing to it is agreeing to one of the most specific of the acts of infidelity and one of the most blaten of their rituals.  There is no doubt that agreeing to or being in accord with something of that nature can only lead to apostasy, in general, given its conditions."

First off saying one agrees to something especially in the above context is obvious as there is no example of how one agrees to commence in festive activities. Do we constitute participation through greeting someone a "merry christmas?" Or do we constitute it on the level of sctive participation? You need to define these clearly.

Indeed, beyond that, the scholars have even said that it is not allowed for a Muslims to congratulate the non-Muslims on the holidays or festivals.

Well there are scholars who encourage their members to kill in the name of Allah and tell the men to mistreat their women so do I take the words of fallible men (scholars)? No. So the comment above does not apply.

"Giving congragulations on the special events that are specific to the desbelievers, such as congratulating them on their holidays by saying, 'Blessed holiday for you.' or other similar greetings, is considered forbidden by the agreement of the scholars.  Even if the one who starts it is free from many aspect of apostasy, it is still forbidden and it is the same as congratulating them upon their prostrations to the crucifix.

So saying happy holiday is wrong. Well, that is the opinion of a scholar, a fallible man, but the scholar has yet to prove the important distinctions between saying happy holidays and merry Christmas or happy mother's day. What constitutes what? What are those distinctions that constitute active participation? I'm unsure of this remark: Even if the one who starts it is free from many aspect of apostasy, it is still forbidden and it is the same as congratulating them upon their prostrations to the crucifix.

Whoever congratulates another human for any sin, heresy, or act of apostasy has exposed himself to the punishment and Anger of Allah {Subhaanuhu wa Ta'alaa}.  The pious people from the earler scholars would avoid congratlation the oppressors when they received positions of authority or the ignorant when they were given judicial or teaching positions in order to avoid the punishment of Allaah {Subhaanuhu wa Ta'alaa} and falling from His Grace.  If a person would be compelled to go to such people to repel any evil that he expected from him, only to speak well to him and to ask Allaah {Subhaamuhu wa Ta'alaa} to guide him, there is nothing wrong with that."

This entire paragraph appears is more rhetorical nonsense than actual informative messages. I find such of the animated words in the paragraph as a means to scare the gullible masses than educate them. "Avoid falling from his grace" come on! first off, how do we know we fall from God's grace in the first place? Do we somehow feel it biologically? Again your scholar has yet to prove clearly why celebrating non-muslim holidays is wrong.

Muslims who participate in the holidays are termed ignorant and hypocritical.While not all are religious holidays, the Internet site says Muslims are required to be different from non-Muslims �in matters which are representative of them or are characteristic of their identity.�

"While the internet site.....Sounds like you have received a lot of information from....an..internet site..... Ummm ok.

As salaamu Alakum Brother Isafril

I think you gave a good counter-debate with your latest post. But I was curious in knowing more of your personal view( if you don't mind sharing with me). Do you think their is a difference in saying 'happy holidays' then 'Merry Christmas' to non-muslims? Do you think it's permissible for Musliims to use one the phrases, all of the phrases, on none of them?

Salaam

I decided to look up exactly what Merry Christmas means.

www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html - 9k

I was a bit surprised to say the least

Thank you very much for providing the post Martha. It's amazing when we really get a glimpse of truth.

After reading Martha post, one may want to read a lilttle more on what mass is, in my opinion it supports the above stated link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_liturgy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_(liturgy )

 Continuing in the same line, I describe the state of a maulvi (imam of a Masjid of a big city). He was employed. So he was a paid servant and could not possibly be Imam. I used to go to mosque very early even before Azaan (call for prayer).

 That Imam was wearing a low grade Dhotee ( an sort of sheet wrapped around waste as under garment or lower garment). He was complaining to me about his pay being less (not enough). I told him and warned him that he will lose his job if pay is raised because with that very low pay, no maulvi would like to come to that mosque. But if the pay is raised then any one will try to replace that maulvi.

 Anyhow, looking at that Imam, i felt sorry. I looked at him and I was wondering if that was the right example of a muslims dress. I thought, if Englishman or a German becomes a muslim, will he take off his coat and pant and tie and he will get dressed like that maulvi. The answer is NO. Any one becomig a Muslim will come in the Ummah with his own national beautiful dress. The Japanese will come wearing Kimonos (am I using right word?)

 I am surprised why our religious leaders could not sort out such simple matters for us. During the struggle for independence of India (1935 to 1947), non of the maulvis supported Pakistan. The reason was that they could not see any sign of a good Muslim in Mr. Jinnah and his dress. Why cannot our religious leaders get over these simple things.

 It is good to be simple and wear simple clothes, like the most of the Indian leaders have been doing upto now. That is good for the nation. It would be difficult for the muslims to change the shape of things very soon after conversions.

 Now some people are showing the opinion of some scholars about not greeting the people of other religions. There is no verse of Quran strictly telling that. There is no Hadith too describing that. If there is any that is being misunderstood. e.g. Some one invites me to a party at his home at Christmas. I go there and join. But I do not do anything illegal there. Am i imitating the christians?? No. I would be imitating if I started celebrating christmas at my home. Can't the maulvis please understand the difference?? just attending the party is not imitating.

 Let us hear some more good news about these important things please. No harm to any one.

minuteman wrote:    e.g. Some one invites me to a party at his home at Christmas. I go there and join. But I do not do anything illegal there. Am i imitating the christians?? No. I would be imitating if I started celebrating christmas at my home. Can't the maulvis please understand the difference?? just attending the party is not imitating.

Brother (Minuteman)

So if I knew 'friends' that were having a party that was going to have alcoholic brevages and maybe even some recreational drugs. If I were going but decided not to use any of these substances and I was going to simply have a 'good time' with my friends and enjoy their company only; would that be permissable?

Because I'm not using these substance does that mean that it's not haraam for me to attend such a event?

If I attend such a event I feel that is haraam. We as Muslims are taught that we should stay away from actions and events that are of disbelievers.

Yes, a christmas party may appear to be a joyous event. Yes, it's fun to get gifts, or even  simply watch as you see a child face when they unwrap their gifts. But that does not make it 'right' for us as Muslims.

While my example may be extreme, and by no means are my intentions are to insult your intelligance or to judge your beliefs this is how I hold my beliefs.

But I'm willing to hear and maybe even gain more knowledge from how your views may differ from  mines.

The only time my family gathers together from the several states they live in is at Christmas.  I always used this holiday to see everyone since I have neither the time nor the money to drive all over this country to visit them.  Now I am told I cannot go to these gatherings so I guess I will not see most of my family anymore.  I have yet to hear one good suggestion to fix that problem for me.  May Allah guide me on the right path.

layalee wrote: As salaamu Alakum Brother Isafril I think you gave a good counter-debate with your latest post. But I was curious in knowing more of your personal view( if you don't mind sharing with me). Do you think their is a difference in saying 'happy holidays' then 'Merry Christmas' to non-muslims? Do you think it's permissible for Musliims to use one the phrases, all of the phrases, on none of them? Salaam

Brother Israfil i shall be waiting for these answers.

Sis Layalee , jazakiAllahu Khair, for you have answered the other posts beautifully. Even i would not have answered them that way. Thank you again.

IMP 87 says:

Also banned, it says, are: watching sports or soap operas, walking dogs, family photos, wedding bands, Western hats, mingling and shaking hands with the opposite sex.

Oh do my jeans and combat trousers count as imitating them, do I have to stop talking English now, how about we don�t watch television at all Mr�..

As'Salamu Alaikum brother,

Can you please explain me what did you find wrong in the sentence you quoted. Are they not wrong? It does n't stop you from watching television but watching wrong things over television is wrong. 

Sis Martha says :

In the early days of Islam, the Prophet(pbuH) advised his people because he knew how difficult it would be for them to follow it.

Do you know sister, when the verses concerned to alcohol were revealed , people {believers} immediately, stopped consuming it and splashed all there containers. How cud these people who were addicted to it, leave it immediately. That was there faith. Sister, is it not wrong when we shake hands with the opposite sex? Photographs again are permissible when they are necessary. Its a difffrent discussion.

Hence all the warnings. However scholars since give their opinions. No photographs,no shaking hands. The list is endless. And scholars vary in their teachings. So now I'm supposed to fear Allah and punishment from Him because others tell me this? And when questions have no satisfactory answer  all I hear is 'Allah knows best'. 

Sis even the scholars say , 'Allah knows the Best". It is said that whenever we express our views or opinions, we are to use - this was my opinion and Allah swt knows the Best . Can any of us know better than Allah swt. He is the All-knower. He is perfect. We humanbeings, may even unintentionally occur mistakes. We are never 100 % in our answers.

Sister, alhamdullilah you have a strong faith. We pray Allah swt, to ease your path . Ameen. You trust Allah swt, thats the best thing we do.  It must be tough for you to change suddenly  as you are a revert, insha-Allah as days pass you understand these.  You trust in Allah swt, thats the best thing. 

Minuteman - Zawaj.com clearly answers your questions. Its upto you.

Hi Angel

Is there anywhere in islam, well from the quran and hadith, that provides what the punishment is? And is there anything that implies that Allah will punish you for wishing a merry/happy christmas, or wishing in general for goodness and happiness at anytime whatever the religion or other festivals are?as you said

This is stated.

Among the Ummah of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) there will be people who deviated from the truth and went towards falsehood, changing and altering things. Their punishment will be that they will be kept away from the Hawd (Cistern) whilst those who adhered to the Straight Path will come and drink from it.

Bu congragulating or particiating in them we are affirming there faith and strenthening them.

Sis Salams Wife, if you remember the earlier discussion there was a link from islamonline which permits you. We are n't to break up ties with blood relations. I by now understood you and am sure you don't celebrate it and your intention is to meet your family, for which u shall be rewarded insha-Allah, since its a good deed.

Yes, I remembered that discussion which had made me feel better as you said it was permissable to visit my family even during the holidays.  So at Christmas, this is what I did and Thank God I was able to see some family members I had not even seen in many years.  In my own home I did not use the decorations I have had for years.  They stayed in storage until I decide what to do with them.  I felt better that at least I stayed away from Christmas participation at home. Also, the cards I gave out to family didn't mention Christmas.  It just wished them a happy holidays and new year.

It is these latest posts that left me confused again because they don't bother to cover this area or still condemn going to these celebrations even if it is your family.  Perhaps it is best that I stay with what we decided before from islamonline.

Seekshidayath:

As'Salamu Alaikum brother,

Can you please explain me what did you find wrong in the sentence you quoted. Are they not wrong? It does n't stop you from watching television but watching wrong things over television is wrong.

Waaleykumselam brother

Well bro is there any need to even explain this�..

I don�t understand what strong relation there is between imitating Non Muslims and watching sports, soap operas, taking a dog out for a walk, or wearing a �western� hat etc. Since when have sports, soaps, dogs or some cloths become a �western� art that we can not imitated or touch.

Just to add I don�t watch or do any of the above, I understand why you say it is wrong, I would agree with you on the same reasons im sure. But cant we just let people use common sense when it comes to these things.

People dwell on Christmas and are right in many ways, like I said I also agree we should try to stay away from it, but what about the others, how do you, I, we or these people in question explain or what excuse do we have for the 100s of other things which could be classed as imitating others or the two I specifically asked, Saturday and Sunday holidays.

Salams_wife:

The only time my family gathers together from the several states they live in is at Christmas.  I always used this holiday to see everyone since I have neither the time nor the money to drive all over this country to visit them.  Now I am told I cannot go to these gatherings so I guess I will not see most of my family anymore.  I have yet to hear one good suggestion to fix that problem for me.  May Allah guide me on the right path.

Sister this might sound abit ....... and I don�t know if it would be a good idea either but why don�t you try to invite them over to your house, or at least make sure the elders come, im sure everyone would follow them.

I mean for you it is just the gathering and eating the bird, plus it is your house, so it will be your rules, no swine and alcohol, just tell them you got everything sorted out

It does sound like you will be sabotaging some peoples Christmas but hey just tell them you turned into something like a health activist and how people live longer without toxins.

Just thought ill throw in a few ideas, but on a serious note, I hope Allah helps you out with this one.

asalamu alaykum imp87,

Actually, my mother's family (which is spread out the most in different states) doesn't drink.  They are all pentecostal so that is not a problem.  I can never remember alchohol being at my granma's house where they meet.  They are just too religious for that.

As for them coming to my house, not possible, I live 10 hours drive from my nearest relative.  They are closer together than I am to them.

Thanks for your advice though.  At least you tried to help.

Visiting family. during non-muslim holidays.......such a tough and touchy subject to decide on.

I am the only muslim in my family, so trust me I know the challenges....

In the end Allah knows our heart and intention. While this is not really a 'answer', sister ( Salams_wife) I feel you should remain rightous but do what you feel is 'right' in such a situation. Truth of the matter is we may all hold opinions but in the end only Allah(swt) can judge us.

I know what you mean Layalee.  I have been a muslim for less than a year so I am still finding my way to do what is right and keep good relations with my family.  Not an easy thing to do when you tell your very religious family you converted to a different religion that they are very nervous about.  I also have several pastors in my family so I have to constantly listen to their comments of converting me back (which I tell them there isn't a chance).  Thank God they love me enough to accept me regardless.

As for the pork issue, that has always been a problem.  I found I had an allergy to pork when I was 15 years old so I stopped eating it then.  People kept saying it was all in my head and would try to sneak it into food where it was more difficult to know, but I still often got sick from it.  Other times I just ate vegetables if pork was the only meat served.  So at least converting over to Islam didn't cause too many problems on the pork issue.  I had learned my way around that years ago.

In my own personal view, there is a significant difference between wishing someone "Happy Holidays" and "Merry Christmas." With the former, you are acknowledging the fall Holidays which include (depending on the month and calendar) Happy Eid, Happy Hannakuh, Merry Christmas, and Happy New Years. Although Happy Holidays is quite general in the sense, it does not point out any significant Holiday in which the greeter gives respect to but acknowledges all the Holidays. With respect to the latter, we are being more specific and the greeting is more significant because we are acknowledging a specific religious holiday. Although one can say Merry Christmas and in their mind not have any intent on attributing their greeting in a religious way, but because Christmas is generally recognized as a religious holiday (and national one at that) it can be believed along the lines of being a religious one.

If one were to greet a person either or it depends on the intent as well as the circumstance. If you are simply being cordial and in your heart the greeting is strictly out of courtesy I don't see why either of the greetings matter. However, I would only agree with scholars with respect to not greeting someone a Merry Christmas only because the greeting may entail recognizing Christian beliefs. But, I would go to the extreme and say greeting someone a Merry Christmas is along the lines of worshiping the crucifix. No, that is more extreme than what I would say. I also wouldn't say that a Muslim would fall out of grace. These rhetorical statements are merely trying to scare the masses in being "pious." The problem with scholars on this subject is distinguishing what are appropriate and inappropriate greetings and how we can be courteous to Christians without offending them and overstepping our own religious boundaries.

  Very good , opinion and guidance in this matter. I am happy to note the verse of quran 4:86 which I knew but failed to present. It says, if you get any gift or greeting then try to return that greeting with better words / value or if that is not possible then return it with equal good quality.  Thanks for posting the verse.

 qardhawi has given good line to the muslims. I was reading Quan today (morning). It was from 5:57 onward. We are not to befriend the enemies of Islam. The matter was all about the people of the book. If those jest and make jokes of our religion or our call for the prayer then of course we should not get close to them.

 But for the normal christian, there is no harm to us to get along with him in a good human way. I do not mind believing the scholars and respecting them but their material should be decent and loving and supporting peaceful co-existence. Islam is for peace and love and not for hatred.

Knowledge01 wrote: As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,   May Allahu subhanahu wa ta'ala forgive me for not posting this in advance of the kafir "holidays", but as I browse this website, I realize it is VERY much needed as I see Muslims congratulating KUFAR on THEIR "holidays".

Waalaukussalaam: Don�t worry about being late on the post cuz it has so far been viewed by app 500 people and if  you do a guesstimate they were    about 0.00003% of the Muslims in the whole world, will take a long time to warn who are living in the non Islamic world and those who stuck in the neo colonialism. So get the this heavy weight off your shoulders and relax!

Allah knows all about the decline of His ummah  since the demise of Caliphate and it�s passing on to colonization (a euphemism of a modern slavery)

It is no secret brother what you are calling KUFAR have enslaved Islamic lands directly or indirectly. If you live in some African country, mostly were part European colonies, imagine the degradation the people have gone through!

You might like to know the Muslims some of which were moved around as indentured slaves or coolies from one colony to another like say from India to Africa south or Indies west or Australia etc.

If you see Muslims congratulating KUFAR, you probably don�t see many clearly prohibited things they do provided by the capitalist west to all. The so called Muslims themselves are involved in the booze, swine and gambling trades to make the almighty dollar! Most people who are not dedicated miss out the Jumaa and then tell the bosses to have a nice weekend! The weekend is Saturday and Sunday - holiday for Jews and Xians.

If you could only see the so called Muslim doctor crowd who migrated from the subcontinent to the US blow their easy money in the casinos of the Sin City!

In US capitalism/consumerism the Xmas is nothing but a climax of rampant consumerism and an indicator for the economy. The celebrant of this Roman holiday buy the goods at full prices and the non celebratory spectators pay a fraction the day after and are happier with less charges on their plastics.

I haven�t had any such encounter ever since my retirement took effect of any such congratulations, the colleagues knew what to expect! In the neighborhood the family on the right is a reform Jewish a non issue on the left a secular Xians they have a inflatable Santa on the front yard and the lights and they have a quite dinner with their family and their hardly any greetings. A couple years back a new bible thumper family got little excited and went around the neighborhood singing Xmas carols, now they also learnt to keep to themselves.

Didn�t have too good of terms with the Jewish fella for sometimes but now Hi hello takes place. He surprised with Happy Ramadan greetings last year, it so happened that the same day was their Rosh Hashanah or new year and I did greet him and then asked what did he do for that! His answer he as not into the repentance thing being a reform Jew!

Knowledge01 wrote:  As Muslims, we are the most honorable, dignified people who, alhamdulillah, are following the din of the Creator of everything and that din is complete and anything that the most honorable and last Messenger, Muhammad (sall Allahu alaihi wa salam), did not participate in, we must refrain from.

Let me quote a couplet from Dr. Iqbal�s famous poem �the Complaint�

You are a Syed ,  a Mirza and Afghan too!

You are every thing but pray tell are you a Muslim?

His famous poems are available on you tube, you might like to read.

Your self praise of Muslims is commendable, but I am afraid they haven�t got their act together! Where are they in the pioneer or leadership position in the world? Just look at the news from the place called the Land of  Pure, where 170 million people are crying for the availability of the basic food staple wheat flour. They are under the boots of sycophant dictators who themselves are living in the laps of utter luxuries, having a party at the expense of the common man. Is that the example of dignified people? And most other countries are no better! I am sorry brother talks is cheap.

Knowledge01 wrote:   Insha'Allah ta'ala, this will still benefit some this year and all proceeding years.  Please read THOROUGHLY.   http://www.islamqa.com/ln/php/the_file.php?ln=eng

 I think is kind of bad joke considering the condition of Muslims today!

Is Ibn al-Qayyim a Ahle sunnah source, I have some doubts! He is used by the Saudis a lot!

Finally if you don't live in the west  & haven't been involved  in a business you won't know what this ' happy holidays' are all about! It is the bottom line

seekshidayath wrote: Minuteman - Zawaj.com clearly answers your questions. Its upto you. Hi Angel Is there anywhere in islam, well from the quran and hadith, that provides what the punishment is? And is there anything that implies that Allah will punish you for wishing a merry/happy christmas, or wishing in general for goodness and happiness at anytime whatever the religion or other festivals are?as you said This is stated. Among the Ummah of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) there will be people who deviated from the truth and went towards falsehood, changing and altering things. Their punishment will be that they will be kept away from the Hawd (Cistern) whilst those who adhered to the Straight Path will come and drink from it. Bu congragulating or particiating in them we are affirming there faith and strenthening them.

forum_topics.asp?FID=29&PN=4 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=29& PN=4

forum_topics.asp?FID=10&PN=2 - www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=10&PN=2

Allow me to address Sign Reader because unfortunately his remarks were off the wall in the following:

Waalaukussalaam: Don�t worry about being late on the post cuz it has so far been viewed by app 500 people and if hazard that they were all Muslims then makes them  about 0.00003% of the Muslims in the whole world, will take a long time to warn all who are living in the non Islamic world and those who stuck in the neo colonialism. So get the this heavy weight off your shoulders and relax!

What the hell does the above mean? It is incoherent and I'm not sure what .03% of Muslims are you referring to.

It is no secret brother what you are calling KUFAR have enslaved Islamic lands directly or indirectly. If you live in some African country, mostly were part European colonies, imagine the degradation the people have gone through!

Ok again what are you talking about here? You need to address the topic in a comprehensible format.

I could go on and on and although you mentioned some things I understood I get this impression you are still on this political roll here about the United States and western colonialism.

Let me respond to this fatwa that knowledge 01 posted:

If they greet us on the occasion of their festivals, we should not respond, because these are not our festivals, and because they are not festivals which are acceptable to Allaah. These festivals are innovations in their religions, and even those which may have been prescribed formerly have been abrogated by the religion of Islaam, with which Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to the whole of mankind. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Aal �Imraan 3:85]..........

First knowledge let me ask what the scholars mean by invented. Both Christmas and Hannukah are based on actual historical events that happenend. Both holidays are a celebration and both enjoin goodwill. Where in the Qur'an does Allah specifically say he does not personally accept Hannukah, Kwanzaa, The New Year celebrations (2008), Christmas? You are failing to support your argument with continuous dodging. If I'm to accept some Sheikh's words he need to clarify specific things and address them accordingly. Since quite obviously Muslim scholars are neither Jewish or Christian, it is important to point out in their festivals what is wrong in greeting them with courtesy?

Knowledge you mentioned that they abrogated their faith. That is fine to believe that as I believe that Christianity and Judaism has changed over time. However, I also believe the people of Islam too has changed over time and we are today, unlike the Muslims of old. Like Jews and Christians Muslims too have different interpretations of the same doctrine. This is common of all humans especially because our perceptions of things vary. Scholars who issue these fatwas are obviously stuck on their own views of the world. They have not taken into consideration the Muslims in dominant Judeo-Christian countries where Christmas is highly comemrcialized (and Judaism is slowing following behind). So at our workplaces where Christmas is highlighted and the many "merry" co-workers we work with when greeted we should just remained quiet and ignore them?

Even with the whole thing of shaking hands has these Sheikhs so-called learned men know that it is rude culturally speaking to not shake hands especially in business transactions? Anyway according to knowledge's post I'm a hypocrite and sinner. I guess the literalist Muslims among us are quite convincing.

As'Salamu Alaikum,

Sis Maryah, please do not bother if a member has got influenced by hinduism or Buddhist cultures. If you happen to see any post by its influence kindly point it instead of getting personal.

There is a verse in the fatwa you pasted.

"Allah Almighty says: "When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or at least return it equally�) (An-Nisa� 4: 86)

Let me remind you that a verse can be understood when its supported by hadith. And this verse has taught us to greet when someone greets you. And how are we to greet is taught through the following hadith.

When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or (at least) return it equally.

Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Raja' Al-`Utaridi said that `Imran bin Husayn said that a man came to the Messenger of Allah and said, "As-Salamu `Alaykum''. The Prophet returned the greeting, and after the man sat down he said, "Ten.'' Another man came and said, "As-Salamu `Alaykum wa Rahmatullah, O Allah's Messenger.'' The Prophet returned the greeting, and after the man sat down he said, "Twenty.'' Then another man came and said, "As-Salamu `Alaykum wa Rahmatullah wa Barakatuh.'' The Prophet returned the greeting, and after the man sat down he said, "Thirty.'' This is the narration recorded by Abu Dawud. At-Tirmidhi, An-Nasa'i and Al-Bazzar also recorded it.

Like, Allah swt asks us to offer salah and the way of offering is  in hadith. Similarly with wuduh too. So the greeting shud be this and returned this way. Hope you get the answer.

Similarly the verse referred from Mumtahinah, is also out of context. Let me remind you all again that we are n't hating them. Ways to befreind them are many. But not the one which instead strenghthens there faith.

Laylee, i respect your beliefs and that is your choice but I cannot help but feel you are wrapping yourself up in cotton wool, I'm sure you feel some kind of aniexty, just look now at mothers' day you say you won't celebrate it anymore?? I can see you now on the day making a concious effort in not doing anything for your mum for fear of doing something wrong in the eye of Allah because it now has somekind of religious context to it.
Angel, do mother's require a day to be greeted? Are they to wait for there children to greet?  We shall insha-Allah start up a thread - mother's day. We discussed it last months too . Islam has given first three positions all to a mother. We do have respect and love for our parents infact everyday. Anyways, insha-Allah , we shall start that thread today itself.

Imp 87 says

People dwell on Christmas and are right in many ways, like I said I also agree we should try to stay away from it, but what about the others, how do you, I, we or these people in question explain or what excuse do we have for the 100s of other things which could be classed as imitating others or the two I specifically asked, Saturday and Sunday holidays.

Thankyou brother for been soft in your approach at your post. Frankly speaking i don't know if every sunday and saturday get into this section of imitation. There are specific days in a year which fall on a Friday, Sunday or sat. But insha-Allah, i shall go deep into this subject as how are we to give an explanation over imitation. JazakAllahu Khair. 

There are many subjects cropping up from these discussions, which i fear may deviate the topic we are discussing on, so i feel to start threads elsewhere.

Subjects like, relationship with non-muslims, mothers day, and yours, {imitation }. Let me again remind that we are n't hating these non-muslims. Yes, there is a point at alevel where we are to argue or be harsh to them, but not at all times. Anyways, we shall discuss it as it may increase our knowledge over this subject so as to implement it. 

Israfil wrote: layalee wrote: As salaamu Alakum Brother Isafril I think you gave a good counter-debate with your latest post. But I was curious in knowing more of your personal view( if you don't mind sharing with me). Do you think their is a difference in saying 'happy holidays' then 'Merry Christmas' to non-muslims? Do you think it's permissible for Musliims to use one the phrases, all of the phrases, on none of them? Salaam   In my own personal view, there is a significant difference between wishing someone "Happy Holidays" and "Merry Christmas." With the former, you are acknowledging the fall Holidays which include (depending on the month and calendar) Happy Eid, Happy Hannakuh, Merry Christmas, and Happy New Years. Although Happy Holidays is quite general in the sense, it does not point out any significant Holiday in which the greeter gives respect to but acknowledges all the Holidays. With respect to the latter, we are being more specific and the greeting is more significant because we are acknowledging a specific religious holiday. Although one can say Merry Christmas and in their mind not have any intent on attributing their greeting in a religious way, but because Christmas is generally recognized as a religious holiday (and national one at that) it can be believed along the lines of being a religious one. If one were to greet a person either or it depends on the intent as well as the circumstance. If you are simply being cordial and in your heart the greeting is strictly out of courtesy I don't see why either of the greetings matter. However, I would only agree with scholars with respect to not greeting someone a Merry Christmas only because the greeting may entail recognizing Christian beliefs. But, I would go to the extreme and say greeting someone a Merry Christmas is along the lines of worshiping the crucifix. No, that is more extreme than what I would say. I also wouldn't say that a Muslim would fall out of grace. These rhetorical statements are merely trying to scare the masses in being "pious." The problem with scholars on this subject is distinguishing what are appropriate and inappropriate greetings and how we can be courteous to Christians without offending them and overstepping our own religious boundaries.

JazakAllah Bro Israfil for letting know your views and am glad that u and minuteman did meet today , as even he says the same. Brother, there is a term  discussed in the Quran as 'footsteps of satan", its said do not follow the footsteps of satan. Satan is an open enemy. Today we feel its not wrong to greet. and next year, we feel we do not intend to celebrate but shall attend there and just stand, though we may not have wrong things, and next approach will be, oh its wrong to deny a friend and hurt him. This is called the trap of satan. We slowly follow his path and fail to realise that we are in trap. Look, its not that we are hating them or hurting them even. There are many other ways to get closer to them so as to convey our message.

why start another thread, the issue is about non muslim celebrations, that is a broad scope, isn't mothers' day a non muslim celebration, just as trick or treat, fathers' day - hey we haven't picked on fathers day yet .  

seekshidayath wrote: Angel, do mother's require a day to be greeted? Are they to wait for there children to greet?

Honestly!!

We do have respect and love for our parents infact everyday.

And majority of non muslims do to, you are not the only ones. But having a specific day is not harming anyone. The same goes for fathers.

Frankly speaking i don't know if every sunday and saturday get into this section of imitation. There are specific days in a year which fall on a Friday, Sunday or sat.

You missed Imp's point, saturday, every saturday is the sabbath, the day of rest. So it does fall into the section of so called imitation. Because by what's going on, if you rested then on the sabbath, the day of the Lord who gave the day as for rest, you are imitating the non muslims.  So you better not rest on the sabbath  

 Something rang in my mind....

It's funny that when I disagree with a Sheikh or if members perceived me to go wayward from the Muslim flock I'm "following the foot steps of Satan." You know Seek despite whether your intention in your last post was with good intention simply saying what you said: 'footsteps of satan' can be perceived to be a bad thing.

How in any logical mind would I follow the foot steps of Satan by cordially greeting someone "Happy Holidays?" How am I following Satan if I buy some canned goods during Christmas time and give them to a poor family? If I'm following Satan because I care about the well being of other human beings or greet other human beings despite their religious affiliation then so be it and that is your opinion. Perhaps I follow the church of Satan.......Now you look. We live in a world where human beings don't even help each other. Men left for dead and people who wouldn't even lift a finger to help their fellow human. We all belong to the same species. Muslims are not better than Christians nor Jews because as humans we are all susceptible to imperfection.

As far as minuteman is concerned what the heck are you talking about? I never met minuteman.

 Seeks post of 08 January:

 JazakAllah Bro Israfil for letting know your views and am glad that u and minuteman did meet today , as even he says the same. Brother, there is a term  discussed in the Quran as 'footsteps of satan", its said do not follow the footsteps of satan. Satan is an open enemy. Today we feel its not wrong to greet. and next year, we feel we do not intend to celebrate but shall attend there and just stand, though we may not have wrong things, and next approach will be, oh its wrong to deny a friend and hurt him. This is called the trap of satan. We slowly follow his path and fail to realise that we are in trap. Look, its not that we are hating them or hurting them even. There are many other ways to get closer to them so as to convey our message.

 That is mere speculation and some supposed fears of getting lost or giving in to the christians. There is no such thing that we intend to progress in that direction. There is no danger or ill intention. We cannot keep ourselves cut-off and remain aloof from what is going on in the world.

 In the last sentence, it was said: There are many other ways to get closer to them so as to convey our message.

 Could you please describe one of those ways when we do not greet any christian at all. What method we will use to get closer to them? In my opinion. it is a defeated attitude to be afraid of the world. We have been told to return good wishes with better wishes and not to be a hypocrite. Allah will protect us from all evils if we follow the instructions.

  Imitation is to celebrate at our own home something like christmas. If some christian invites me to his home, I can tell him that I do not drink and eat pork. If he says okay then I may go there. No harm. I feel that some maulvis have been making their own rules based on their own ideas. There are four schools of Sunni jurisprudence namely Hanafi and Hanbli and shaf'ii and Maliki. If what Seeks is telling is found in the direct words of Imam Abu Hanifah, then it could have some value. But I believe it is not there.

 Some scholars took a harsh stand about things. If I am not satisfied then I am free to follow what suits my mind. But I should not try to be dishonest. That seems good enough for me. If the matter under discussion is proved from the Quran and Hadith then all will accept it. Otherwise NO.

 So far the scholars have told us that we should not imitate the Kuffar. We should not befriend the Kuffar. But who are they?? Are they christians?? NO. If I accept and attend the celebration of christians (such as Christmas) I do not feel that I am imitating them. So the material provided so far is not enough to decide this matter in favor of those who are against greeting the non Muslims. Please give more proof so that I remain very far away from the christians. Thanks.

Many people nowadays don't celebrate christmas as a religious holiday or what its suppose to be and mean for christians. Some people have got their own meaning for christmas and yet still have the ability to say merry or happy christmas. I will myself write what christmas means to me since i don't believe in the traditional christian beliefs.

You don't need to compromise your faith/religion by greeting merry christmas or happy whatever and celebrating new years, or mothers/father days, or attending a gathering for it. even attending a religious gathering once or twice shouldb't be compromising your religion/faith. But gives you an insight, an opportunity to learn about others beliefs. To unite interfaithly and build bridges.

And anyway no one is saying you should be celebrating if you don't won't to, but it is nice to be acknowledged. I'm sure you like to be acknowleged to. It's basic humanity.

All the stuff presented in opposing it all is getting too picky and pendantic and for the fear of doing wrong just makes for anxiety and depression. I'm not saying not to be mindful of not doing wrong. But all this about greeting others and not doing mothers'day etc and etc and not imitating non muslims for fear of praising and strenghten them is, is just getting to the point of nonsense and unneccessary worry and paranoia.

And honestly I think its all gone pass the true meaning, and i do think some scholars aren't living in the world, you can't learn about life in a book be it holy or not. Sometimes the head needs a rest and the heart to be followed.

Like I have mentioned, the celebrations and greetings are about joy, happiness, unity and peace, relaxing, about life and having some fun.

Some muslims join in without compromising their faiths, they make it work, and some muslims don't join in, and that its perfectly fine.

You don't have to celebrate, nor do you have to celebrate in the same way as others. But again the whole presentation of opposing is too picky.

I'm leaving this thread as it has run its course and there's nothing more to say really and the subject will pop up again next year opps at the end of the year, heck we got valentines day and easter to go, again

Knowledge01
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Subhan Allah!  If this fatwa is truly from Sheikh Al Qaradawi then I am surprised because it is from someone who clearly has little or no understanding of the Qur'anic ayat presented or who is either following their own nafs or making this fatwa for some other reason besides for the sake of Allah.  Allahu alim.

The main argument in this fatwa is revolving around the ayah from Surat Nisa number 86 and he is twisting it for his own purpose.  This ayah is talking about the greeting "As Salamu Alaikum". It is st**id and ignorant and a trick of shaitan to think otherwise.


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Al-Nur 24:62 ...... ' But when you enter houses, salute your people- a greeting FROM YOUR LORD, full of blessing and purity. Thus does Allah make plain to you the commandments, that you may understand.'

Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.543, Narrated Abu Huraira, r.a.

The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutation) of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi.' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.

"Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation."

Actually, thanks to all the growth hormones and steroids they put in the cattle and food crops, many Americans are getting bigger and taller.  Shoe sizes have shown a significant increase in the last 50 years.  I am sure there are similar trends elsewhere.  Not sure the decrease in stature thing will hold water in this case .  Of course they may have meant that figuratively.

Angel wrote: Layalee, i respect your beliefs and that is your choice but I cannot help but feel you are wrapping yourself up in cotton wool, I'm sure you feel some kind of aniexty, just look now at mothers' day you say you won't celebrate it anymore?? I can see you now on the day making a concious effort in not doing anything for your mum for fear of doing something wrong in the eye of Allah because it now has somekind of religious context to it. I mean no offence and you can do whatever you like but this is what I am picking up from your posts.

No offence tooken at all Angel. And perhaps you right, perhaps I may be fillled with a sense of anxiety when mothers day come around, for I'm sure my mother will struggle to understand my beliefs. Perhaps I will wake up with a urge to want to buy her a nice gift that Sunday morning. Because yes I am human, with emotions.

But this is a personal Jihad inside of me that I must deal with and face. I also know if I stand strong and conquer those negative struggles in the the end I will come out better. Life is all about dealing with the personal struggle inside. It's how we deal with these personal struggles in a whole that determines our place in the hereafter.

Al-Imran 3:104 'And hold fast, all together, by the rope of Allah and be not divided; and remember the favour of Allah which He bestowed upon you when you were enemies and He united your hearts in love, so that by His grace you became as brothers; and you were on the brink of a pit of fire and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah explain to you His commandments that you may be guided'  

 It is not only this matter of not greeting the non-muslims but many other things that the present day Ulema have invented to mislead the Ummah. The Fatawa of the scholar may be perfect. But a wrong meaning is being derived. So whose fault is that? It is not the fault of that scholar. The Fatawa says, do not greet the Kuffar. Do not befriend the Kuffar. Do not imitate the kuffar.

 That is alright, very well said and should be done. But are the christians kaafirs?? No. Are the Jews Kaafir? No. Attending their invitation is imitating them?? No.

 So why not some new clear verse or Hadith be presented by the Knowledge on this forum in support of the idea that we should not greet the christians. A verse of the Quran has been presented that if any one greets/ presents you with some gift, you should return it with a better gift or equal thereof.  That is being restricted in meaning and application. That is not a good thing.

 Did the prophet ever say "The Muslims should not greet the christians. The muslims should not attend the functions of the christians"??/ I do not know any such thing.

 Because there is the word kaafir being used here again and again. I would ask the friends Seeks and The Knowledge to explain exactly who is a real kaafir. Thanks. And please give some examples too. Also tell if the present day Muslims represent Islam ?

 The muslims should be kind, open heart and loving all humanity.

As'Salamu Alaikum,

I was about to post  this morning at the end but , that spamming is n't allowed

Angel i have no problem discussing it here. I thought we may get  messed up  with other discussions. Anyways, what i know is Mother's day is a ritual. I found these reasons behind its celebrations.

Mother�s Day gains its history from many sources around the world. One claim to fame comes from the custom of mother goddess worship in ancient Greece. This stemmed from a festival held in mid-March dedicated to Cybele, the mother of the ancient gods, and Rhea, the wife of Cronus.
 
In the 19th century, Anna Maria Reeves Jarvis established Mother�s Day to celebrate mothers, social activism, and pacifism.
Another historical origin of Mother�s Day comes from the United Kingdom�s �Mothering Sunday� celebration, which takes place on the fourth Sunday in Lent.  It is also known as Mid-Lent Sunday, Rose Sunday, and Laetare Sunday. This was a day for children to pamper their mother with small gifts. The United Kingdom�s practice of Mothering Sunday also draws its origins from the Victorian practice of granting servants a day to return home and visit their mothers. So we have a Greek goddess and an English Lent angle to the story of Mother�s Day. 
These were the reasons behind it. We muslims shud not get associated with these days.

 Now, irrespective of why it is celebrated, most of us feel , whats wrong in wishing a mother on that day.

Even if celebrating Mother's day were a part of culture,  i would not encourage such cultures. India already got influenced for it getting celebrated. I believe there is also Father's day , Sister's day and Brother's day too. Very soon the other relations days like, sister-in-law's day and brothers-in-law Day, Grandfather's day -------.they get started. Only thing i wish to ask those who favour these types of days, Why do we need a day to express our love? Why do you wait for a day to make someone feel special ? Especially, this Mother's day hurts me very much. We want our mothers to wait eagerly for our calls?  Suppose if due to some reason her child does n't turn up, can we imagine how much she gets hurted?  Do you think all children wish there parents? Do you think all of them turn up that day to wish ?  Why do we play with her feelings?  Can we feel the pain of a mother who has lost her child. She may badly miss her child that day. And a woman who has no children, did we feel her pain? No one except God knows her feelings. Woman been emotional, get hurted quickly and severly. These days play with her emotions.

She may feel happy when all her children wish her and as expected she may even receive gifts. But i assure you that  she shall be happy when you surprise her by gifting on any other days, which she might not be expecting. That shall be her day. We are to give importance to our mothers in every aspect of  our life. That shall be her day. Keep her giving gifts regularly. Why to select a particular day?  Did our mother select a day to express her love for us.

MINUTEMAN and ISRAFIL

From Christians point of view son of god came on earth in human form to atone for the sins of mankind, they actully celebrate this event on christmas. Now, even if you greet them believing that you are greeting them on the birth day of a Prophet, it will be taken differently from their side. Also, as a muslim we must proclaim our correct belief in front of kuffar instead of hiding it just to please them.

 As per my knowledge Prophet Mohammed did not come across any event wherein he required to approve or disapprove greeting kuffar on their festival. So, scholars had derived ruling considering the nature of Islam. Religious festval is definitely part of religion and it indeed is expression of some of their beliefs. 

But Christmas is not just imitating kuffar but endorsing their beliefs indirectly

Imitation of kuffar is a subjective term. To adopt any sign of kuffar which is specifically known and understood as sign of kuffar is called imitation. For example, wearing a tie might have been a sign of kuffar earlier but now it can't be considered as imitation, because tie is not at all understood as sign of kuffar now. Kafir was already defined.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christmas.html - http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christmas.html

http://www.atheistalliance.org/library/AB-Solstice.php - http://www.atheistalliance.org/library/AB-Solstice.php

A verse of the Quran has been presented that if any one greets/ presents you with some gift, you should return it with a better gift or equal thereof

But it does  n't give the meaning you present. No where is gift discussed. The form of greeting was already stated in hadith. Why do you feel the verse is wrongly interpreted?

Present day Muslims represent Islam?

I cannot judge a muslim. Never judge ISlam by today's muslim but still we as a muslim hold responsibilities of our actions.  Islam is viewed  through its practicers. We can't escape .

seekshidayath wrote: Only thing i wish to ask those who favour these types of days, Why do we need a day to express our love?

my answer, why not? and yes everyday should be to.

Why do you wait for a day to make someone feel special ?

You are making assumptions, a sweeping statement as if children only wait for that day to make her feel special & loved.  

I myself don't wait.

Especially, this Mother's day hurts me very much. We want our mothers to wait eagerly for our calls?  Suppose if due to some reason her child does n't turn up, can we imagine how much she gets hurted?  Do you think all children wish there parents? Do you think all of them turn up that day to wish ?  Why do we play with her feelings?  Can we feel the pain of a mother who has lost her child. She may badly miss her child that day. And a woman who has no children, did we feel her pain? No one except God knows her feelings. Woman been emotional, get hurted quickly and severly. These days play with her emotions.

Stop assumping things Seek.

Who said we are playing with our mothers' feeliing and making her hurt if we don't do this or that??

And please don't start with woman been emotional...and all that stuff...!!! Your so call questions can be applied to fathers too along with feeling hurt.

And for children cannot make it, if they live elsewhere I'm sure they will contact her somehow.

You have a negative view here

Its all not that bad! Lighten up and have some fun.

And you forget one thing, what about the mothers' ?? not once did you imply perhaps they like that day and want that day for themselves. Why not have a day?? and why not on a time that was already in place years before??

Stop making it out to be such a negative thing!

But i assure you that  she shall be happy when you surprise her by gifting on any other days, which she might not be expecting. That shall be her day. We are to give importance to our mothers in every aspect of  our life. That shall be her day. Keep her giving gifts regularly.

and who said that children don't do this already ??  

yes I know there are "some" people who don't give out much care for whatever reason there are, I can't make assumptions on it.  

Did our mother select a day to express her love for us.

You know what, evey mother and every family is different you do not know what they have organised!! perhaps they have picked a day, who knows, I don't do you?

There is no brother or sister day, none on any calanders i know.

Seekshidayath:

 Seeks, your post of 10 jan. was elaborate. But you missed to answer one of my questions.

 That is alright, very well said and should be done. But are the christians kaafirs?? No. Are the Jews Kaafir? No. Attending their invitation is imitating them?? No.

 I had already given my opinion about the JEWS AND the christians. I wanted your view also.  In the time of the prophet s.a.w.s. were the JEWS and the christians called kaafirs?? or people of the book?? Of course, some people of the book can be kaafir too. But not the whole lot. So would you consider the christians as kafir?

 You have tried to avoid the imitation and yet tried to describe it. I said that if i arrange a christmas tree at home and celebrate the birth of Jesus on 25th December then i am imitating the christians. Not otherwise. do you agree to that please?

 Tie is another good example of the narrow minded maulvi's mind. Dress is not all that important. I can use suit (coat and pant) with tie because I speak English. Then there are other rules of good behaviour such as covering the certain parts of the body. That is necessary to follow and abide by. Not the material or design of the clothing (except silk in case of men). Please try to elaborate on the mind of those maulvis who had been preaching quite a lot against the use of tie in the sub-continent. Why they did it and wasted their time /energy on such things?/ Could this matter of x-mas celebrations be another one of the same kind?

 There is long list of the misunderstanding of the real knowledge about Quran and Sunnah of those who are leading the prayers. In the past few centuries they (maulvis) were sleeping when the kings and princes were enjoying the ladies dances at their palaces. When all was lost, then suddenly, they got up and tried to take up the sword to correct the matter. But did nothing towards learning anything, any technology etc.

 You being a supporter of those people may please answer these things. Thanks. I am sorry to inform here that one Maulvi (ahle Hadith) argued with a friend of mine that earth was flat. That was the year 1998 A.D. He was the Imam of a big mosque. That is alright if he did not know the truth. But even after explaining all to him he  did not agree. It was lucky that he did not beat my friend on that issue of the world 9earth) being a globe. He was quite hot and angry.

 It appears that the maulvis are walking/ following on the footsteps of the christian. They will be thrown out of the active field like the western people have now ignored the religious leaders. It would be better that the religious leaders co-operate with others in order to remain alive and make progress for the Ummah.

minuteman wrote:    It is not only this matter of not greeting the non-muslims but many other things that the present day Ulema have invented to mislead the Ummah. The Fatawa of the scholar may be perfect. But a wrong meaning is being derived. So whose fault is that? It is not the fault of that scholar. The Fatawa says, do not greet the Kuffar. Do not befriend the Kuffar. Do not imitate the kuffar.  That is alright, very well said and should be done. But are the christians kaafirs?? No. Are the Jews Kaafir? No. Attending their invitation is imitating them?? No.  So why not some new clear verse or Hadith be presented by the Knowledge on this forum in support of the idea that we should not greet the christians. A verse of the Quran has been presented that if any one greets/ presents you with some gift, you should return it with a better gift or equal thereof.  That is being restricted in meaning and application. That is not a good thing.  Did the prophet ever say "The Muslims should not greet the christians. The muslims should not attend the functions of the christians"??/ I do not know any such thing.  Because there is the word kaafir being used here again and again. I would ask the friends Seeks and The Knowledge to explain exactly who is a real kaafir. Thanks. And please give some examples too. Also tell if the present day Muslims represent Islam ?  The muslims should be kind, open heart and loving all humanity.

AA:

Brother minuteman, thank you. I feel  that some of the posters here ignore my post and do not have the courtesy to address me because I am a woman. That is the cultural thing I suppose. Funny how the president of the largest Muslim organization for the North American continent is a woman and a noted Scholar. Dr Ingrid Mattson is a pioneer, and a hijabi too!

As'Salamu Alaikum,

If you were directing it to me. them Maryah, i wish you to directly quetsion me. It was unintentional if i missed your posts. I did reply to the fatwa you posted. Any other clarifications, you can address them to me. I shall try to let u know, if i have knowledge of it.

Minuteman jazakAllah, was requestioning. Israfil, am sorry if i hurted, but there, i was trying to expalin my point of view, and that term was general. Anyways, who's stopping you to give charity. Spend it, like any other day.

seekshidayath wrote: Regarding brother's day and sister's day,i found its cards over a greetings site.

Show me.

Yes there are cards with brother and sister on it but that it for birthdays, given amongst siblings only. no specific day for it thou like mothers' & fathers day.

I also don't know what India has perhaps they do have an actual day but western societies i know don't have such a thing its not in any calendars i know. It's just birthdays for siblings to give to each other, that's all.

 Very good advice ! Let us all comply.

"Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever is not kind has no faith." (Muslim)

"Whoever is kind, Allah will be kind to him; therefore be kind to man on the earth. He Who is in heaven will show mercy on you."(Abu Daud: Tirmidhi)

"Verily, Allah is gentle and is fond of gentleness, and He gives to the gentle what He does not give to the cruel." (Muslim)

May we all be guided and may Allah keep us hold firm to His ropes and never be controlled by shaytan.

Ameeen

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