reliotionship with allah
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Topic: reliotionship with allah
Posted By: nazish
Subject: reliotionship with allah
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 12:34pm
| asalam, one of my chiristian friend was telling me that, there relationship with their god is of father and child and it is more close than the relationship of allah with muslims which is of slave and master and it is better in terms of love and closeness. how i should explain her my relationship as regard to allah in more better way in term of slave and master. |
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Posted By: Chris G
Date Posted: 13 April 2008 at 3:22am
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Hi. I am a Christian too, but trying to learn about Islam. I can see how your friend thought that relationship between Allah and Muslim seemed to be slave and master as I thought that when I first started reading the Quaran and other books about Islam, now I know different. I think one way may help your friend may be to show her some of the parts of the Quran where Mohammud under Allahs guidance did so much to care for Muslims and to help protect them. Show her too what Allah says Muslims should do e.g give to the needy, look after orphans etc. are all attributes of someone who cares not makes people into slaves. Hope that makes some sense and I have not offended in anyway. ------------- Chris |
Posted By: nazish
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 10:45pm
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assalam. thanks for your reply.i know allah is more caring and loving than a father, infact allah has more love, mercy, and care than 70 mothers(not just one father).This statement i am hearing since childhood but came to know its real meaning after understanding Quran.The Quran, he send for us is full of wisdom,the rules of dos and dont in quran are to protect us from tension and breakdown in this world.After completing just one para out of 30 I realized how merciful and loving he is towards us. I donot know what will happen to me in akhirat(hereafter) but i think i need this book of allah in this world for my survival in better way and i am uderstanding it so late and by the time i complete quran inshallah i will know my answer. I was just wodering that why allah gave us name banda(slave) while he does not treat us like slave but even better than a parents. allah hafiz |
Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 6:39pm
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As'Salamu Alaikum,
Nazish and Chris, was glad to see your discussion. To add up , "abd" is an arabic word which means slave. We believers are like that of a slave to Allah. How does a slave be ? He submits himself to his master. He acts as his master commands. Is n't it ? Like wise a believer is a slave to Allah swt. He submits himself to Allah swt and acts to the commands of Allah swt with obedience and subservience.
Allah swt is the Almighty. We are always week before Him. He is All-Powerful. When we remind ourselves that we are slaves, we stand before him with humility and complete obedience like that of a slave. We regard Allah swt as our master and are to obey only Him, fear only Him ----.
As you said in your post Nazish that Allah swt loves us many a times than a mother. We get reminded of a hadith from sahih Muslim.
Umar ibn Al-Khattab RA said: Captives were brought to the Prophet {Sallal lahu alaihi wasallam}after a battle. Among them was a woman desperately searching for something. When she laid her eyes on a baby she immediately picked it up, clutched it to her breast and started feeding it. Thereupon, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) asked, "Do you think this woman would throw her child into a fire?" We said, "Never! By Allah!" The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) then said, "Allah is more merciful to His slaves than this woman is to her child." (Muslim)
SubhanAllah ! How beautiful is this hadith. Many a times better than a father or mother relationship. An other hadith says that the "Allah has divided Mercy into one hundred parts. He kept ninety-nine parts with Him and sent down one part to the earth, and because of that one single part, His creatures are merciful to each other, so that even the mare lifts up its hoof away from its foal, lest it should trample it." (Al-Bukhari)
Just imagine just one part of the mercy does this much then how shall those 99 parts of mercy be for its believers in the hereafter !
Hope Nazish, you must have got your answer. And you said that you are going thru the tafseer {commentary} too. It was very nice to know that. But get cleared any doubts you get while studying it. Don't move on with those doubts until clarified. May Allah swt help you in your dawah too. You can also help her as chris suggested. That shall be helpful, insha-Allah. ------------- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent." |
Posted By: nazish
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 10:19pm
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walekum assalam. thanks for your answer. i am totally convinced by your answer.actually Allah wants total surrenderness from us that why he called us abd. The last hadith of patience is also full of wisdom. jazak allah khair |
Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 15 April 2008 at 11:44pm
It is nothing new. Even Abraham a.s. went down and touched the ground (as described in the bible OT) when the messenger angels of Allah came to him. He said, "My Lord, My Lord, have some rest here..."
The difference in the status is so much between man and Allah that nothing suits except the Lord and slave relationship. The father and son relation is not only sub-standard but it is also un-real. The father and son relationship, we have seen in the world. Both are creatures and as such they can be greedy for selfish motives. The son or the father can kill each other some times. In any case, there is no father and no real son in the relation of God and humanity.
Love is there, we agree. WE also do not deny the love of Allah for the mankind. Christianity is not alone in that. Some examples have been given of the Love of Allah in the above posts. Our God is ever powerful. He does not need anything, any son or brother. He is merciful in two special ways. That is Al-rehman and Al-Raheem.
The example of the love of mother and father is also something to do with their being merciful. That feeling of Mercy is described as a sign of love. But Allah is much more Merciful than any one else. His Mercy helps up in this life and in the next life. He is the ever living God. The father and mother may not live for long but Allah is living and Meriful. His Mercy with Love is a continuous blessing for all of us.
------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer |
nazish wrote:Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 18 April 2008 at 6:25pm
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Hi,
a great topic and great input by everyone. I have run into similar situations where Christians according to their understanding and belief would say that "(God) the Father's relationship is of a special love for us". I remember something similar mentioned in the Quran about the Jews who claimed to be the favorites of God, and it says that "why do God still punishes them".
In other words, if their relationship is that special, why then the reality does not represent that, as many devout Christians can and do perish in the same way as a Muslim, Hindu, or a fire worshiper get affected or perishs whether be through natural disaster or an act of man? That's when the conversation shifts to......??
Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: nasirnoman
Date Posted: 21 May 2008 at 7:30am
Assalam-o-Alikum, I m new in this forum,My name is Nasir Noman and I m from Karachi Pakistan,My english is not very good, however I try to explain to you my anwser. I just check the search Islamic discussion and I found this site and when I raed your question and then I join this site for try to given you anwser. an Muslims relation with Allah you just understand that Allah Ask to all people who are Muslim or non Muslaim in Quraan Pak(now Ayat not remember) "Allah Love to human more then 70 mothers" now u can see an mother how to love with her child? I think more then father. Our A man was loved to a girl, he want to merry with her but girl don�t want to merry, One day girl ask him if you bring for me your mother heart then I can merry with you, And man killed own mother and turnout heart from mother�s body and when he want go to girlfriend but suddenly his foot slip and he drop down on floor but amazingly mother heart ask his son �be care full my dear son� This is one mother love to her son, when one mother how much love with her killer son please so do imagine this love with 70 time multiply and then try to understand to how much Allah love to an person either he love Allah or not. but however Allah love to all humans. When Allah love to all so now you better can understand Allah how much love to Muslims who are follow the Islam. I think in short words you can better understand what is the relation between Allah and Muslims. |
Posted By: nazish
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 7:59am
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Asalam Alaikum, The discussion above is not of mother and child relationship, its about slave and master. Few days before I was listening to farhat hashmi website lectures in which she has very beautifully explained this relationship which i may not to able to explain as her. The Arabic word ibadat comes from abd(slave).Ibadat means in arabic al khudu(humility) wa tazallul(surrendering oneself,bowing or bending).Allah made humans and jin for ibadat.So ibadat here consist of highest degree of love and fear also. If we love some person too much then there is also element of fear in that. We don't do anything against the wishes of that beloved person,people even call themselves slave or khadim or gulam in love. Highest degree and last degree of love and highest degree of surrenderness is ibadat of Allah, and this will come when he have shukr(thankfulness) for his limitless bounties with us, within us, and around us and when we truly understand allah. The highest degree of surrendering and fear in ibadat is feeling of mixed reverence and respect and wonder and ,just speechless and spellbound feeling and it comes naturally if we recognize Allah truly. Its very true as someone mentioned in above post that there cannot be any other relationship with allah than of slave and master with such huge gap between human and Allah (ar rahman and ar rahim). |
Posted By: nasirnoman
Date Posted: 24 May 2008 at 3:28am
Dear Sister Nazish,
sory I cant expalin to you,again I will try to explian you.
I think if master want stop from any crime to own salve.
so there are two way to aviod from crime.one way of love and one way of fear from panish.
if any master too much love from salve and one day master ask to salve that here are two way, frist is very difficult but I like this way and second one is qiute easy but I dont like to you go this way.if you use 2nd way so I panish you.
after that once salve have to go somewhere and when he want to start travle for own destination and salve thinking of both way that one way is easy but my master do not give permission for use this way and my master dislike to use this way and my master very much love me so why I use this way when my master love me.
when salve love to Master it is way to stop the crime.
other one way of fear Master or Master Panish.
thats why I explain to relation between Master and Salve like mother and son.which way of love.
Nasir Noman
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Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 25 May 2008 at 2:43pm
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Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem sister[?] nazish my arabic isnt that strong but wouldn't abd be better translated as worshiper? relationship with allah than of slave and master Being in need of allah does not equate to being his slave, we are in need of him regardless of whether we are his abd or not so i dont think the relationship is as simple as that [allahu allam]. sayidinah Ibrahim was his friend [khalil i think], while rasul Allah was his intimiate friend to who insha allah he will give the rank of mahmood [17:79; And during a part of the night, pray Tahajjud beyond what is incumbent on you; maybe your Lord will raise you to a position of great glory.] on Qiyamah a position that only one person in all of creation can have. Everything in the Quran i think points to the kind of relationship that allah wants with us and i dont think it is one of slave and master, allah does not need workers [or worshipers] these are not high [he is al Ali] forms of relationships. Everything in the Quran and sunnah points to allah wanting to have a very close relationship with us otherwise he himself would not have called his anbiyah [prophets] by titles other than "Abd" such as al khalil which denotes an even better or higher [closer] type of relationship. He also called his awliyah [loosely translated as saints] his friends and these are not prophets. We know that in jannah all humanity will attain allahs good pleasure about which allah says this will be better than anything he has given any of us previously i.e denoting an even closer or higher type of relationship. In this world a slave is not in need of his master nor does he submit his mind he simply needs to obey him in what he commands [if given the chance all slaves would want to be free of this bond so why would allah equate the relationship he wants with something this negative, allah defines this relationship, so to even compare it to this is not that strong of a comparison. The only reason why abd would mean slave is becouse the reality is we need allah and since we are not Independent of him we are his slaves but this is the reality of our existence not the nature of the relationship each individual has with him which judging by the examples ive given above is far more than that of a slave and master. Allahu allam. ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: nazish
Date Posted: 25 May 2008 at 10:05pm
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walaikum assalam brother nomannasir and rami, you r right this relationship is above the master and slave relationship of this world. Allah called us slave or even beggars in surah al fatir. there is no degradation in this, in fact its libertion so that we see through the deception of this world and of shaitan.we are nothing but a destitute in front of him no matter what power, talent or wealth we have. inspite of our offenses if we ask him forgiveness he forgives us. there is hadith that Allah divided mercy into 100 parts and send one part in this world and 99 parts he kept with him. |