consequences of misdirected worship
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Topic: consequences of misdirected worship
Posted By: honeto
Subject: consequences of misdirected worship
Date Posted: 13 May 2008 at 6:49pm
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I would like to know the view point of world religions on the consequences of misdirected worship by an individual.
Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
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Posted By: Servetus
Date Posted: 14 May 2008 at 5:17pm
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Hi Honeto (Hasan), In his Epistle to the Romans, first chapter, Best regards, Serv |
Posted By: robin
Date Posted: 17 May 2008 at 11:28am
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The Bible says the following of false worshipesr:-
Revelation 19:19-21
.And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage the war with the one seated on the horse [Jesus Christ] and with his army. 20 And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast and those who render worship to its image. While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulphur. 21 But the rest were killed off with the long sword of the one seated on the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth. And all the birds were filled from the fleshy parts of them.
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Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 17 May 2008 at 6:56pm
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LOL!! Or did you mean facing north, south, east or west? ------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 19 May 2008 at 8:47am
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beleiver,
it said "and those who render worship to its image", food for thought!!
Hasan------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 20 May 2008 at 12:13pm
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honeto- that is exactly what I believe Mohammad did with the circumambulation of the kaaba. ------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 20 May 2008 at 12:16pm
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AND I might add how Christmas and Easter celebrations have become all about the candy and gifts. Man has made the worship for man!! ------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 21 May 2008 at 1:36pm
beleiver,
Kaaba is not an image of a living being. Its the sacred house of Worship to God, that Prophet Abraham erected. When we bow down in worship to God, as a universal oness in our belief, the believers are commanded to face in its direction. I can tell you just like people of the book were commanded to do so toward the sacred house of worship to God in Jerusalem. And Just like many other things its followers changed and lost, so is that practice too.
As I look deeper into what's left of God's command once, and people's narrations now, I find some traces of that truth.
Read: "daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before."
So, Daniel offers his prayers (Salath) three times a day, and he offers those prayers toward the HolyTemple of Jerusalem.
Allah O Akbar, God is Great! The only differance is what is lost in translation and transformation.
Hasan
------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
believer wrote:Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 21 May 2008 at 3:31pm
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The silver encased black stone is a very good image of a female part and throwing stones at pillars of satan.
No it was not lost- as man has matured and grown in GOD, we understand that it is what is in our heart that is most important! ------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:33am
believer,
now you are not just being ridiculous, but insulting too, and saying of things I haven't heard before. As always instead of answering and addressing the quotes in the post you start to show your real intentions.
Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:40am
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"No it was not lost- as man has matured and grown in GOD, we understand that it is what is in our heart that is most important!"
If the contents of man's heart is what is most important then there would have been no need for divine guidance at all, our hearts would have led us. There certainly would have been no need for a blood sacrifice. ------------- �No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.� Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 23 May 2008 at 5:38pm
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Shasta- Exactly!! ------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 28 May 2008 at 4:27pm
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beleiver,
I am waiting you address this quote that I have posted before:
Read: "daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before."
This is a reccord that people of the book were facing certain direction when praying, and were offering their prayer certain times a day. I would like your thoughts on that.
Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 29 May 2008 at 6:42am
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No honeto you do not understand. A Muslim visiting another country has to find the direction towards Mecca before he can pray. We are allowed to pray in any direction. The direction does not matter.I understand in a church or mosque during a service that all face the same direction, that only makes sense. It could be very chaotic if everyone moved to face another direction. LOL!!
we are to pray:
1 Thessalonians 5
17Pray without ceasing.
While we are working, mowing the grass, driving a car, etc. ------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 29 May 2008 at 3:19pm
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beleiver,
may I suggest, please take time, read and address the issue in your answers.
You still are trying to dodge the Daniel 6:10 quote that I have mentioned.
This quote peaks out of what's left of the Bible and shows that people of the book at some point guided by God were facing a certian direction when doing their Salath, like we the Muslims do today, but you don't.
Not only that but it also shows that the Salath or Worship was done several times a day, three according to the above quote.
You are speachless on this and thus have not addressed it a bit.
Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: Shasta'sAunt
Date Posted: 29 May 2008 at 11:56pm
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The Jews still pray toward Jerusalem as they did in the OT. Actually, I am curious as to when and why this practice was abolished by Jesus. ------------- �No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.� Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 01 June 2008 at 7:19am
Matthew 6
Prayer5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.You are missing the point. It doesn't matter what direction you face and what physical position you take, it is all in the words you use and what is in your heart. ------------- John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 02 June 2008 at 2:47pm
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believer,
You did not answer the question yet. Please address the quote:
Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |