Bismillah

This is more appropriatre for "Introduction: Who am I" section.

Allah Most High has stated: Whosoever renounces the Messenger after the guidance has been made clear to him and proceeds to follow other than the way of the believers we shall turn away from him for what he has undertaken and burn him in hell. What a terrible end! [Q. An-Nisaa' 4:115]

And the Most High says: Rather they deny what they cannot understand and when the explanation of it comes to them. Such is the denial of those who preceded them and look at the outcome of the deniers of the truth. [Q. Yoonus 10:39]

Nor is the denial of the confirmed sayings of the Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) an insignificant matter because Allah Most High says: What the Messenger has forbidden you from, desist from it and fear Allah. Verily Allah is intense in punishment. [Q. Al-Hashr 59:7]

It is related in Saheeh Muslim from Abu Hurairah (radiallahu anhu) that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, �I have been ordered to fight the people until they bear witness that there is no deity except Allah and they believe in me and that which I have brought. If they do this then their blood and wealth is inviolable to me except with just cause and their account rests with Allah.

Obligation Of Belief In All That The Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) Has Informed Us Of The Matters Of The Unseen

This is a proof that it is incumbent to believe in all that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) has informed us whether about past events or what will occur in the future. This also shows that the inviolability of one's life and wealth is for those who believe in the Messenger (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam), and all that he brought, and whosoever disbelieves does not share this immunity. This becomes that much more intensified against anyone who rejects confirmed ahadeeth of the Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and contradicts or opposes them based upon their own or someone else's opinion.

Stubborness In Rejecting Authentic Hadeeth

Imaam Ahmed (may Allah Most High have mercy upon him) has said �Whosoever rejects the hadeeth of the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) is on the brink of destruction Ishaaq ibn Raahawiyyah said: �Whosoever has received information from the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) that is confirmed in its authenticity and then rejects it without fear is a disbeliever (kaafir).

Abu Muhammad Al-Barbahaari stated in his Sharhus-Sunnah �If you hear a man who discredits the traditions and does not accept them or he denies something of the information from the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam), then doubt his Islam for he is a man of the vilest thought and speech. He is in fact discrediting the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and his Sahaabah

He also stated �Any one of the people of the qiblah is not expelled from the fold of Islam until he has rejected a verse of the Book of Allah the Mighty and Sublime or has rejected something from the traditions of the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam), or prays to other than Allah or slaughters for other than Allah. If so, it is your duty to expel him from the fold of Islam.

He further stated �Whosoever rejects a single verse from Allah's Book has rejected the Book in its entirety, and whosoever rejects ahadeeth of the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) has certainly rejected the entirety of the traditions and is by that a disbeliever in Allah the Most Great.

Ibraaheem ibn Ahmed ibn Shaaqilaa has said �Whoever opposes news [of the Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam)] and yet insolently dares to reject what has been transmitted by an authentic and good narrator (adl) who has transmitted directly from someone who is also adl - with no break in the chain of narration and no defect in its transmission - has forced his way into the rejection of Islam.

Ibn Hazm stated in Kitaabul Ahkaam �When there comes the text (of a hadeeth) and no two Muslims differ on its correctness and authenticity as having come from the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and being what he has in fact said, then it is obligatory to follow it. It is the explanation what Allah intends in the Qur'aan and general clarification of it.

Excerpted from the book Iqaamatul-Burhaan (Establishing the Proof) A Refutation Against Those Who Deny the Appearance of the Mahdi, the Coming of the Dajjaal, And the Descent of the Messiah at the End of Time

Bismillah

Noah, i just gave you an excerpt that i thought might be relevant. I see that you came here well armed with a bucket of filth and just waited for the right moment to reveal its colors and odour.

Your blasphemous ahadeeth and their references are non-existent and offensive to say the least. Your methodology of story telling are nowhere near the meticulous and careful process involved in the recording of the ahadith (although it has never asssumed the protected status of the Qur'aan).   

With so much hatred towards the ahadeeth that were preserved by the companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him), the practices that have been passed to us through action and implementation it is surprising that you have not begun rejecting the Qur'an yet... but you have undoubtedly made enough steps to put yourself at an alarming distance from commiting that.

What Allah has bestowed on His Messenger (and taken away) from the people of the townships,- belongs to Allah,- to His Messenger and to kindred and orphans, the needy and the wayfarer; In order that it may not (merely) make a circuit between the wealthy among you. So take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you. And fear Allah. for Allah is strict in Punishment. (Quran 59:07)

How do we determine what the Messenger (peace be upon him) has ordered, in order to obey it? How do we find out what he judged in disputes so that we can abide by it? How do we know what he has decided on matters, so that we can submit to it? How do we discover what he has given, so that we can take it, or what he has prohibited, so we can abstain from it?

What about azaan, what about the prayers, the shahada. You'll stumble at the very first verse of Sura al-Baqarah... alif lam mim

We had many passing by "submitters" all but bringing mud into the house.

"If anyone disobeys Allah and His Messenger he is indeed on a clearly wrong path." [Al-Ahzab, 33:36]
"He that obeys Allah and His Messenger has already attained the great victory." [Al-Ahzab, 33:71].

For the past fourteen centuries Qur'an and Sunnah have been the twin undisputed sources of Guidance for Muslims. In every generation, the Muslims devoted the best of their minds and talents to their study. They learned both the words and meanings of the Qur'an through the Prophet, Salla-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, and made an unprecedented effort in preserving them for the next generation. The result: The development of the marvelous -- and unparalleled -- science of hadith, one of the brightest aspects of Muslim history.

What does it mean to believe in a Prophet except to pledge to follow him? And so the teachings of the Prophet, Salla-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, have always guided this Ummah. No body, in his right mind, could or did question this practice. Then something happened. During the colonial period, when most of the Muslim world came under the subjugation of the West, some "scholars" arose in places like Egypt (Taha Hussein), India (Abdullah Chakralawi and Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz), and Turkey (Zia Gogelup), who began questioning the authenticity and relevance of hadith. It was not that some genius had found flaws in the hadith study that had eluded the entire ummah for thirteen centuries. It was simply that the pressures from the dominant Western civilization to conform were too strong for them to withstand. They buckled. Prophetic teachings and life example -- Hadith -- was the obstacle in this process and so it became the target.

Another factor helped them. Today most Muslims, including the vast majority of the western-educated Muslims, have meager knowledge of hadith, having spent no time in studying even the fundamentals of this vast subject. How many know the difference between Sahih and Hasan, or between Maudau and Dhaif? The certification process used in hadith transmission? Names of any hadith book produced in the first century of Hijrah, or the number of such books? A majority probably would not be able to name even the six principal hadith books (Sihah Sitta) or know anything about the history of their compilation. Obviously such atmosphere provides a fertile ground for sowing suspicions and doubts.

They call themselves as ahle-Qur'an or Quranists. This is misleading. For their distinction is not in affirming the Qur'an, but in rejecting the Hadith. The ideas of munkareen-e-hadith evolve into three mutually contradictory strains. The first holds that the job of the Prophet, Salla-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, was only to deliver the Qur'an. We are to follow only the Qur'an and nothing else, as were the Companions. Further, hadith is not needed to understand the Qur'an, which is sufficient for providing guidance. The second group holds that the Companions were required to follow the Prophet, Salla-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, but we are not. The third holds that, in theory, we also have to follow the hadith but we did not receive ahadith through authentic sources and therefore we have to reject all ahadith collections!

Internal contradictions are a hallmark of false ideologies. How can anyone hold the first position yet profess belief in Qur'an while it says: "And We have sent down unto You the Message so that you may explain clearly to men what is sent for them." [An-Nahal, 16:44]. And this: "Allah did confer a great favor on the Believers when He sent among them a Messenger from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs (Verses) of Allah, purifying them, instructing them in Scripture, and teaching them Wisdom. While before that they were in manifest error." [A'ale Imran 3:164].

How can anyone hold the second position (limiting the Prophethood to 23 years) yet profess belief in Qur'an, while it says: "We did not send you except as Mercy for all creatures." [Al-Anbia, 21:107] And, "We have not sent you except as a Messenger to all mankind, giving them glad tidings and warning them against sin." [Saba, 34:28]

The third position seems to have avoided these obvious pitfalls, yet in reality it is no different. Consider statements 1, 4, and 7 in the summary of hadith rejecters' claims. So hadith undermines Qur'an's exclusivity, yet would have been followed blindly at the time of the Prophet, Salla-Allahu alayhi wa sallam. Ahadith cannot be followed because they are not reliable, yet can be followed for ritual prayers.

Salah And Hadith Rejecters

But we don't need a favor for hadith about salah (coming from the same books and the same narrators who are declared as unreliable). We need an answer to this question: If the Qur'an is the only authentic source of Guidance, why did it never explain how to offer salah, although it repeatedly talks about its importance, associating it with eternal success and failure? What would we think of a communication that repeatedly emphasizes a certain act but never explains how to perform it? There are only two possibilities. Either it is a terrible omission (and in that case it cannot be from God) or another source for the how-to information is provided and it is a terrible mistake for any recipient to ignore that.

(Recently some hadith rejecters have realized the difficulty of their position on salah. But they have made a claim that is even more ludicrous, namely that the Qur'an gives details on how to offer salah. "A careful reading of the Koran reveals that we are to get our Salaah from the Masjid-el Haraam [the continuous practice at Mecca since the time of Abraham]," says one proponent, "specifically the 'place of Abraham (moqaam e Ibraheem).'" Let us leave aside all the practical questions about such a fluid answer. Whose Salah? When? Are we to follow anyone and everyone we find praying at Muqame Ibrahim? How are those offering salah there are to determine proper way of offering Salah? How do you resolve their differences? In his enthusiasm in proposing this innovative solution, this proponent even forgot that the Qur'an says the following about the salah of mushrikeen at the Masjid-el Haraam: "Their prayer at the House of Allah is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands. (Its only answer can be), 'Taste the chastisement because you blasphemed.'" [Al-Anfal 8:35] )

The Reliability of Resources

To accept one and reject the other source on the basis of reliability (statement #2) also defies reason, unless we received the Qur'an directly from Allah. But we have received both Qur'an and Hadith through the same channels. Same people transmitted this as the Word of Allah, that as the word of the Prophet, Salla-Allahu alayhi was sallam. Even the verse claiming that Qur'an will be protected came to us through the same people. Through what logic can anyone declare that the channels are reliable for Qur'an and unreliable for Hadith? On the contrary the Quranic promise of protection must apply to Hadith as well for there is no point in protecting the words but not the meanings of the Qur'an.

Protection of Qur'an

To say that Allah promised to protect only Qur'an but not Islam (#6) is being as ridiculous as one can get. Let's ignore the obvious question regarding the point of this Heavenly act. The question is if Islam has been corrupted and its true teachings have been lost, how can anyone claim to be its follower? Moreover, Qur'an says "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost" [A'al-e-Imran, 3:85]. How are we to follow the religion acceptable to Allah if it was not to be protected?

Were Ahadith Written Down for the First Time in the Third Century of Hijra?

The above proves that ahadith must have been protected. Were they? The very existence of a huge library of hadith -- the only one of its kind among the religions of the world -- answers the question in the affirmative. To dismiss all that as later day fabrication (#1A, #2) requires lots of guts -- and equal parts ignorance. Were ahadith written down for the first time in the third century of Hijra? Not at all. Actually hadith recording and collection started at the time of the Prophet, Salla-Allahu alayhi wa sallam. Abd-Allah ibn Amr ibn al-'As, Radi-Allahu unhu, sought and was given the permission to write everything he heard from the Prophet, Salla-Allahu alayhi wa Sallam, who said: "By the One in Whose Hands is my life! Whatever proceeds from here [pointing to his mouth] is the truth." He produced Sahifa Sadiqa, which contained more than six thousand ahadith. Anas ibn Malik, Radi-Allahu unhu, who spent ten years in Prophet's household, not only recorded the ahadith but also presented them to the Prophet, Salla-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, and got corrections. Abu Hurairah, Radi-Allahu unhu, had many volumes of his collections and even produced smaller compilations for his students. Prominent Hadith scholar Dr. Mustafa Azami has shown in his doctoral thesis that in the first century of Hijra many hundred booklets of hadith were in circulation. By the end of the second century, "by the most conservative estimate there were many thousands."

Of course most of these books do not exist today. They were simply absorbed into the encyclopedic collections that emerged in the third century. One manuscript from the first century was discovered in this century and published by Dr. Hamidullah. It is Sahifa Hammam ibn Munabbah, who was a disciple of Abu Hurairah, Radi-Allahu unhu. It contains 138 ahadith. Muhaddithin knew that the ahadith of this Sahifa had been absorbed into Musnad Ahmed and Muslim collections, which have been published continuously since their third century debut. After the discovery of the original manuscript it was naturally compared with the ahadith in Muslim and Musnad Ahmed that were thought to have come from that Sahifa. And what did they find? There was not an iota of difference between the two. Similarly Mussanaf of Abd al-Razzaq is extant and has been published. As has been Mu'ammar ibn Rashid's al-Jami. These recently discovered original manuscripts bear out the Sihah Sitta. The recent appearance of these original manuscripts should bring the most skeptical into the fold of believers.

Saheeh and the Gospels

Regarding comparison of Saheeh with Gospels (#2), let's listen to Dr. Hamidullah. "The compilation of the Gospels, their preservation and transmission from one generation to the other, has not taken place in the way which governed the books of Hadith... We do not know who wrote them, who translated them, and who transmitted them. How were they transferred from the original Aramaic to Greek? Did the scribes make arrangements for a faithful reproduction of the original? The four Gospels are mentioned, for the first time, three hundred years after Christ. Should we rely on such an unauthentic book in preference to that of Bukhari who prefaces every statement of two lines with three to nine references?"

http://www.sunnah.org/fiqh/usul/probativeness_sunna/Default.htm - (16:44).

"And we have revealed the Scripture unto you only that you may explain unto them that wherein they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe" (16:64).

"The Prophet is closer to the believers than their selves, and his wives are (as) their mothers" (33:6).




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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

Br. Noah,

As a Shia, I understand your concerns with the discrepencies in the collections of hadith that our Sunni brothers believe are "All Saheeh" (as I have been told many times). Here is an interesting book on the subject which gives even more then what you have discovered on this subject, http://www.rafed.net/books/other-lang/adhwaa/ - http://www.rafed.net/books/other-lang/adhwaa/  (title of the book is defense of the Hadith, and is not meant to discredit any person or school of thought)

This, however, does not negate the neccesity of hadith, scholarship (in Islam) and relience on those who transmit hadith.

"6/54: Al-Husayn ibn Muhammad [18], from Ahmad ibn Ishaq [19], from Sa'dan ibn Muslim [20], from Mu`awiyah ibn `Ammar [21] , who said:

 I said to Abu `Abd Allah (A): `Between a man who narrates your traditions and establishes them among the people, (as if) inscribing them in the hearts of your followers, and a devout person from among your followers who does not narrate these traditions-which of them is better?' The Imam (A) replied: `He who narrates our traditions and thereby makes firm the hearts of our followers is better than a thousand devotees'."

SOURCE: http://al-islam.org/al-tawhid/kafi/ - http://al-islam.org/al-tawhid/kafi/

I would encourage you to investigate the "sciene of Hadith" that was developed by the Shia scholars. The Shia do not have Mathabs, and rely only on those whom Allah (s.w.a) and the Prophet (a.s.) have ordered us to obey and love in Quran (i.e., the Ahly Al'Bayt).

Bismillah

The Shi'a discord, and rationale behind multi-layered approach to understanding the Messenger (peace be upon him) and the Message can be studied in an appropriate discussion.

There is no irony brother the shia rejected many companions and the prophets wives so we are talking about a very small ahadith colection nothing comparable to what the Sunni record is.

We reject "companions" as being more important than the Prophet's (PBUH) own BLOOD LINE.  How shameful of you that you don't.  The only accurate hadith is that of the Imam Ali (AS). The rest is rhetoric made up by sunni/salfi followers who are probably direct descendents of yazeed (LAUH).  Lies that have been carried through the generations steming from the murder of the Imam Husein (AS) and his family at Karbalah.  Bukhari is filled with inaccuracies. There is plenty of Sunni hadith and scholars who acknowledge the Ahl Elbeit's rightful position in Islam over "companions".  Stop spreading hate- how shameful of you to skew Islam.

Its very refreshing to hear people like Noah, so far whatever I've read I couldn't agree with him anymore. 

i would just like to ask one thing from the people who defend the hadith, can you please explain who gave these so called narrators authority.  If the hadith was so important why is it that no one thought of compiling them until 200 years had passed after the Prophet's (pbuh) death.  Wouldn't he have instructed his companions to do so already.  Its actually very funny but there is a hadith in Bukhari's compilation that narrates the Prophet (pbuh) asking his companions not to write down his actions, because he feared coruption.  Now since I believe in the Quran alone I can't use this arguement, but I ask you people to actually think about it.  If you follow the hadith, what stops you from following this one. 

Let me clarify that some of the hadith may be right, but there is no sure way to verify that.  We just have to take some peoples word for it, who by the way were ordinary humans. And humans can err.  To get a better idea about the hadith, I think the Quran should be used to verify the authenticity of the hadith.  Do you realise that you're equating the Quran with the hadith, how does that make sense.  What don't you understand in the Quran that you have to look for a reference or an elaboration.  The Quran is not a book full of codes that have to be deciphered, as stated in the book itself its clear and complete.  However many arguements you might give about the so called "science" of hadith, none of those arguements prove anything without leaving questions. 

The Quran is the word of God (I think everybody agrees with that), the hadith is not.  What are you going to trust.

In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful

Peace and blessings of Allah be upon Prophet Muhammd, his family, his companions & those who follow the guidance  

Praise be to Allah

This post is to "Reason". 

There are three types of people who may reject the authentic Sunnah/Ahadith of our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). These people are either:

1. Hypocrites   2. Disbelievers   3. Heretics

I am not going to analyse as to where you belong among the above three groups of people. I would just ask you a few questions in regard to your practising of Islam, Insha Allah. Here are the questions. Please answer them precisely if you can:

1. If you consider yourself a muslim, you must admit that you would need to perform Iq�mat-as-Sal�t 5 times daily. Now,

  a. how do determine the "fixed time" of these salat?

  b. how do you know how many unit you have to perform in each salat?

  c. how do you know what to recite in each unit?

  d. what do you say when you bow & prostrate?

  e. whatever manner you follw in these prayers - who taught you such manner?

2. As a muslim, you must give Zak�t. How do you determine the percentage of Zak�t to be given?

3. How do you perform the rituals of Hajj?

4. We learn from the Holy Quran that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a human being and was not killed in the cross and Allah raised him to Himself. We also know from the Holy Quran that every living being must die on earth and will be resurrected from there by Allah on the Day of Resurrection. So, in order to die on earth and be resurrected, Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) must decend on earth. 

We learn from the authentic Ahadith that  Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) will decend on earth near the end of the time ( after Dajjal and before the Gog and Magog people are let loose!). Now, considering the above rules of the Holy Quran in regard to death and resurrection! Would you then reject Ahadith about the decend of Prophet Isa (peace be upon him)? If you reject, how would you then reconcile Verses from the Holy Quran in regard to the raising of Prophet Isa to Allah Himself and his death & resurrection before the Final Day?

Insha Allah, I will show your ignorance and foolishness concerning the rejection of Sunnah/Ahadith after I read your response. 

I seek Allah's refuge from the accursed Shaytan and his followers from among the jinns and human.        

Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

I like the discussion�..

The Ahadith would not exist if Allah {SWT} had not wished them to. If Allah {SWT} has blessed you, inaccurate Ahadith cannot corrupt you. So there is no reason to reject those tools, right perception will see you through.

P.S. I am interested in who people think is currently the most authentic scholar in Islam, and do they have a website that I can look over?

Like the cool artwork rami, I'm feeling it - hip & happening   

This post is to "Reason".  There are three types of people who may reject the authentic Sunnah/Ahadith of our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). These people are either: 1. Hypocrites   2. Disbelievers   3. Heretics

As this concerns me, i will answer itl, and hope that reason will take a go at it aswell. Could you point out where in the Quran it says that people who disbelief telltales nomatter whom they are ascribed to are heretics? just a single clear verse will do. :)

I am not going to analyse as to where you belong among the above three groups of people. I would just ask you a few questions in regard to your practising of Islam, Insha Allah. Here are the questions. Please answer them precisely if you can:

InshaAllah

1. If you consider yourself a muslim, you must admit that you would need to perform Iq�mat-as-Sal�t 5 times daily. Now,

Here is an assumption. You assume that there are 5 daily prayers, based upon hadith. I do not accept hadith as relegious guidence, in the same way i dont accept the catholic encyclopedia, or saxo germanico as relegious guidence, but rather historicals writs with some truths to be found in them.
The QURAN only outlines 3 daily prayers. These can be found in 11:115, 17:79 ie.

a. how do determine the "fixed time" of these salat?

By reading Quran. verses like 11:115

b. how do you know how many unit you have to perform in each salat?

If there was any importance to this, it would be stated in The Quran. What however IS stated is how important salat is. Thus, by using our God given heads, we can figure out that we should do it at the prescribed times, the number of repetitions are unimportant.

c. how do you know what to recite in each unit?

As The Quran outlines numerous reasons for salat, and situations where it is fitting. The uttering should be what is actually on your mind, and what ever help you need from our Rabb. The prayer should however end with the words "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.� And glorify Him greatly." 17:110-111

d. what do you say when you bow & prostrate?

when i prostrate at the beginning of prayer i say "i submit myself to the Lord or the worlds" like Abraham said it. And when i prostrate to finnish prayer, i utter "praise be to Allah who etc..."

e. whatever manner you follw in these prayers - who taught you such manner?

Al'Quran. Thus God and his messenger taught me.

2. As a muslim, you must give Zak�t. How do you determine the percentage of Zak�t to be given?

I think you are confusing Zakaat & Sadaqa. As for sadaqa it is whatever we have in access. Or in other words ,we should freely give out from what we ourself do not need.

[al-Baqarah 2:219] They ask you about intoxicants and gambling: say, "In them there is a gross sin, and some benefits for the people. But their sinfulness far outweighs their benefit." They also ask you what to give to (sadaqa) charity : say, "The excess." The GOD thus clarifies the revelations for you, that you may reflect,

3. How do you perform the rituals of Hajj?

what rituals? where i Quran are there any mention of any such rituals? the purpose of hajj is clearly outlined in Quran. It is to gather ALL mankind, in peacefull debate, and to call Gods name over the livestock. So the question is rather WHY do you perform rituals at hajj?

4. We learn from the Holy Quran that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a human being and was not killed in the cross and Allah raised him to Himself.

actually that is not what we learn at all. we learn that ISA was a teacher from his youth to he became  old of age, and that what happened at the cross what merely an illusion. You are mixing up Gods words, with bukharis. 

"And he speaks to the people from the cradle, and in old age, and is from among the upright."3:47

God said: "O Jesus son of Mary, recall My blessings upon you and your mother that I supported you with the Holy Spirit; you spoke to the people in the cradle and in old age......5:111

We also know from the Holy Quran that every living being must die on earth and will be resurrected from there by Allah on the Day of Resurrection. So, in order to die on earth and be resurrected, Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) must decend on earth.

he died here (unless you will argue that he was taken after he was old of age), no worries. no confusion at all.

We learn from the authentic Ahadith that  Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) will decend on earth near the end of the time ( after Dajjal and before the Gog and Magog people are let loose!).

Thats odd, because authentic AYAT says that Mohammad does not know the future, and yet other authentic ayat says very clearly that ISA was a teacher from his youth to his old age.

Now, considering the above rules of the Holy Quran in regard to death and resurrection! Would you then reject Ahadith about the decend of Prophet Isa (peace be upon him)? If you reject, how would you then reconcile Verses from the Holy Quran in regard to the raising of Prophet Isa to Allah Himself and his death & resurrection before the Final Day?

there arent any confusion. But youre welcome to post ayat backing up your claim, and then we can take it from there.

Insha Allah, I will show your ignorance and foolishness concerning the rejection of Sunnah/Ahadith after I read your response.

Feel free to, im always interrested in learning more

Peace
Noah  

Maybe you are unable to string more than one sentence together? If you can you may realise that the following two sentences I included, cover your query with regards to that which is corrupt.

In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful

Peace and blessings of Allah be upon Prophet Muhammad, his family, his companions & those who follow the guidance 

This post is addressed to Noah 

There are three types of people who may reject the authentic Sunnah/Ahadith of our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). These people are either: 1. Hypocrites   2. Disbelievers   3. Heretics   Noah said: As this concerns me, i will answer itl, and hope that reason will take a go at it aswell. Could you point out where in the Quran it says that people who disbelief telltales nomatter whom they are ascribed to are heretics? just a single clear verse will do.

 

Your question is unclear to me. Please construct the question properly with words separated from each other where applicable.

 

1. If you consider yourself a muslim, you must admit that you would need to perform Iq�mat-as-Sal�t 5 times daily. Noah said: Here is an assumption. You assume that there are 5 daily prayers, based upon hadith. I do not accept hadith as relegious guidence, in the same way i dont accept the catholic encyclopedia, or saxo germanico as relegious guidence, but rather historicals writs with some truths to be found in them. The QURAN only outlines 3 daily prayers. These can be found in 11:115, 17:79 ie.

 

Your utterance of lies against Allah and His Book about the number of daily prayers does no way constitute that I am making any assumption here! Apart from the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) the Holy Quran also tells us the number of times the muslims need to perform As-salat (Iqamat-as-Salat)! I will leave it for you to find it out from the Holy Quran.  

 

You have quoted Verses 11:115 & 17:79 to support your lies in regard to the number of daily obligatory prayers. Here are the interpreted meanings of those two Verses:

 

     11:115. And be patient; verily, All�h loses not the reward of the good-doers.

 

      17:79. And in some parts of the night (also) offer the Sal�t (prayer) with it (i.e. recite the Qur'an in the prayer), as an additional prayer (Tahajjud optional prayer Naw�fil) for you (O Muhammad SAW). It may be that your Lord will raise you to Maq�man Mahm�da (a station of praise and glory, i.e. the highest degree in Paradise!).

 

Where the above Verses tell you to pray 3 times daily?

 

a. how do you determine the "fixed time" of these salat?   Noah said: By reading Quran. verses like 11:115

 

Your quoted Verse 11:115 does not say anything about prayers and its fixed hours! Do not attempt to duck the question. Show proper references from the Holy Quran. Explain what is the limit of the fixed time for every salat!.

 

b. how do you know how many unit you have to perform in each salat?   Noah said: If there was any importance to this, it would be stated in The Quran. What however IS stated is how important salat is. Thus, by using our God given heads, we can figure out that we should do it at the prescribed times, the number of repetitions are unimportant.

 

Where did Allah tell you that if there was any important in regard to the number of units He would have stated it in the Holy Quran? Bring your evidence.

 

Where did Allah tell you to use your �God given head� to determine that the numbers of repetitions are unimportant? Where did Allah tell you to use your �God given head� to determine the manners of the prescribed prayers? Show the evidence from the Holy Quran.

 

c. how do you know what to recite in each unit?   Noah said: As The Quran outlines numerous reasons for salat, and situations where it is fitting. The uttering should be what is actually on your mind, and what ever help you need from our Rabb. The prayer should however end with the words "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.� And glorify Him greatly." 17:110-111

 

Where does Allah tell you that �the uttering should be what is actually on your mind�?  Did He reveal to you a separate Book or did He give you Al-Hikmah? Do not lie against Allah and His religion!

 

Did not Allah inform us in the following Verse that He had perfected His Religion during the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him)? 

 

5:3. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Isl�m as your religion.

 

This statement of the Most Glorious means that everything that a muslim needs in regard to his living by Islam has been perfected during the time of Prophet Muhammd (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him). It does not mean that you can utter whatever trashes you have accumulated in your heart in regard to the practices of Islam!

 

d. what do you say when you bow & prostrate?   Noah said: when i prostrate at the beginning of prayer i say "i submit myself to the Lord or the worlds" like Abraham said it. And when i prostrate to finnish prayer, i utter "praise be to Allah who etc..."

 

Where did Allah ask you to say as such in your bowing & prostration during salat prayer? Bring evidence if you are truthful!  

 

e. whatever manner you follow in these prayers - who taught you such manner?   Noah said: Al'Quran. Thus God and his messenger taught me.

 

Where is in the Al-Quran Allah detailed the manner of the prescribed prayers? Bring evidence!

 

I see now you are referring to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as the one beside Allah who taught you the manner of prayers! Al-Quran does not tell you the detailed manner of prayers. Then how do you claim that   Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also taught you the manner of prayer since you do not believe in Sunnah & Ahadith?

 

2. As a muslim, you must give Zak�t. How do you determine the percentage of Zak�t to be given?   Noah said: I think you are confusing Zakaat & Sadaqa. As for sadaqa it is whatever we have in access. Or in other words ,we should freely give out from what we ourself do not need.   [al-Baqarah 2:219] They ask you about intoxicants and gambling: say, "In them there is a gross sin, and some benefits for the people. But their sinfulness far outweighs their benefit." They also ask you what to give to (sadaqa) charity : say, "The excess." The GOD thus clarifies the revelations for you, that you may reflect,

You can think whatever nonsense you want to think! My question was very clear as I have only asked you about Zakat but not Sadaqa. Now, because you cannot answer straight you are resorting to confuse the issue!

Moreover, you are translating Verse 2:219 wrongly to suit your line of thinking! There is no mention of either Sadaqa or Zakat in that Verse. Here is the transliteration of Verse 2:219.

2:219. Yas-aloonaka AAani alkhamri waalmaysiri qul feehima ithmun kabeerun wamanafiAAu lilnnasi wa-ithmuhuma akbaru min nafAAihima wayas-aloonaka matha yunfiqoona quli alAAafwa kathalika yubayyinu Allahu lakumu al-ayati laAAallakum tatafakkaroona.

Here is one of the much used translations of Verse 2:219 (Hilali & Muhshin Khan). Meaning of Yusuf Ali, Pickthall & Shakir Translations  is the same as Hilali & Muhshin Khan.

2:219. They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is beyond your needs." Thus All�h makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought."

How this Verse relate to Zakat or Sadaqa? By Allah's Mercy, I am familiar with your type of people who distort meaning of the Quran to justify their lies. Anyway, the �Zakat� that I asked you about has been mentioned in many Verses of the Holy Quran. Here are two of them:

 2:277. Truly those who believe, and do deeds of righteousness, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, they will have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

 5:55. Verily, your Wali (Protector or Helper) is Allah, His Messenger, and the believers, - those who perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, and they bow down (submit themselves with obedience to Allah in prayer).

Now, tell me how do you determine the amount of Zakat to be paid (keep in mind that Islam has been perfected).

3. How do you perform the rituals of Hajj?   Noah said: what rituals? where i Quran are there any mention of any such rituals? the purpose of hajj is clearly outlined in Quran. It is to gather ALL mankind, in peacefull debate, and to call Gods name over the livestock. So the question is rather WHY do you perform rituals at hajj?

 

What I meant by the rituals is the manner of performing the Hajj. I am not talking here about the purpose of Hajj. I am talking about how you perform Hajj. So do not mix up! Who taught you as to what to do during the Hajj? Surely, there are many rituals which have been described in the Holy Quran (find the Verses by yourself) and many rituals have not been detailed in the Holy Quran. For example, it is a command to do Tawaf during the Hajj. But Quran does not tell us how many times the Tawaf is necessary. Tell me how many times you will do the Tawaf.

 

Judging from your response, I find you are a much more ignorant individual then what I thought about you initially! Where in the Holy Quran Allah tells you that mankind to gather there in "peaceful debate"? Bring eveidence!

 

Your statement �So the question is rather WHY do you perform rituals at hajj� is a proof that you have no idea about what the Holy Quran says in regard to performing Hajj!

 

By the way, what do you understand by the word Manasik?    

  

4. We learn from the Holy Quran that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a human being and was not killed in the cross and Allah raised him to Himself.   Noah said: actually that is not what we learn at all. we learn that ISA was a teacher from his youth to he became  old of age, and that what happened at the cross what merely an illusion. You are mixing up Gods words, with bukharis.    "And he speaks to the people from the cradle, and in old age, and is from among the upright."3:47   God said: "O Jesus son of Mary, recall My blessings upon you and your mother that I supported you with the Holy Spirit; you spoke to the people in the cradle and in old age......5:111

First of all you have lied against Allah and His Book by saying that �actually that is not what we learn at all� & �you are mixing up Gods words with Bukharis�. The following Verses are adequate to refute your lies:

4:157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]:

4:158. But All�h raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And All�h is Ever All­Powerful, All­Wise.

Secondly, you have not only quoted the references of the Verses wrongly (should be 3:46 & 5:110) but also you have resorted to lies in the translation of the Verses. Lets look at the correct meanings of Verses 3:46 & 5:110:

3:46. "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous."

5:110. (Remember) when All�h will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with R�h­ul­Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity;�

Now lets look at some words in Verse 3:110.  In your translation you have translated the words �biroohi alqudusi�  as the �Holy Spirit�!  What a liar!! Where on earth you found the meanings of these words as such? 

We also know from the Holy Quran that every living being must die on earth and will be resurrected from there by Allah on the Day of Resurrection. So, in order to die on earth and be resurrected, Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) must descend on earth. Noah said: he died here (unless you will argue that he was taken after he was old of age), no worries. no confusion at all.

 

You are again lying! Show evidence from the Holy Quran that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) died here!

 

We learn from the authentic Ahadith that  Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) will descend on earth near the end of the time ( after Dajjal and before the Gog and Magog people are let loose!).   Noah said: Thats odd, because authentic AYAT says that Mohammad does not know the future, and yet other authentic ayat says very clearly that ISA was a teacher from his youth to his old age.

 

Surely, it would be odd for the ignorant people like you! If you had the understanding of the Holy Quran you would have known that the Messengers whom Allah has chosen are given the information of the unseen as much as He likes! Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

  

72:26. "(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Gha'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Gha'ib (unseen)."

72:27. Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him.

72:28. [He (All�h) protects them (the Messengers)], till He sees that they (the Messengers) have conveyed the Messages of their Lord (All�h). And He (All�h) surrounds all that which is with them, and He (All�h) keeps count of all things (i.e. He knows the exact number of everything).

Apart from the above Verses, we learn from the following Verse that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) had the knowledge of unseen as much as Allah liked him to have it. Otherwise, the statement �he (Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) withholds not a knowledge of the unseen� will have no meaning. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):    

81:24. And he (Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) withholds not a knowledge of the unseen.

Which Ayat says that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a teacher from his youth to old age? Bring evidence if you are truthful!

Now, considering the above rules of the Holy Quran in regard to death and resurrection! Would you then reject Ahadith about the decend of Prophet Isa (peace be upon him)? If you reject, how would you then reconcile Verses from the Holy Quran in regard to the raising of Prophet Isa to Allah Himself and his death & resurrection before the Final Day? Noah said: there arent any confusion. But youre welcome to post ayat backing up your claim, and then we can take it from there.

 

Of course there are no confusions in Islam. It is only people like you who are confused! Well, you have my response above where I have quoted the relevant Verses!

 

Insha Allah, I will show your ignorance and foolishness concerning the rejection of Sunnah/Ahadith after I read your response.   Noah said: Feel free to, im always interrested in learning more

 

I have proven that you are a heretic who wrongly translates the Holy Quran. I have also proven your disbelief and hypocrisy. You disbelieved in Allah�s revelation in many of your statements as I have proved with appropriate Verses. Your hypocrisy has been exposed. You say you believe but in reality you do not believe!    

 

Listen Noah, I know you are a big liar and you have persisted in your lies against Allah�s revelation and religion as evident from this post and your other posts here. You should however note that Allah guides not the liars, hypocrites & disbelievers. So, if you fear Allah and His punishment then stop your great evil of spreading disbelief and lies. You should repent and beg Allah to forgive you.   

 

Allah konws best. May Allah guide us to His Straight Way.

 

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"Our Lord! Give us in this world that which is good and in the Hereafter that which is good, and save us from the torment of the Fire!" Quran 2:201

Your question is unclear to me. Please construct the question properly with words separated from each other where applicable.

Your utterance of lies against Allah and His Book about the number of daily prayers does no way constitute that I am making any assumption here! Apart from the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) the Holy Quran also tells us the number of times the muslims need to perform As-salat (Iqamat-as-Salat)! I will leave it for you to find it out from the Holy Quran.

If you want to tell me that im wrong, show me that im wrong. Where does the Quran say how many times we have to pray according to you?

You have quoted Verses 11:115 & 17:79 to support your lies in regard to the number of daily obligatory prayers. Here are the interpreted meanings of those two Verses:

yes it was an error on my behalf ,the verse is ofcourse 11:114 i just remembered the wrong number

Y.Ali And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night: For those things, that are good remove those that are evil: Be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord): R.Khalifa You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed. Pickthal Establish worship at the two ends of the day and in some watches of the night. Lo! good deeds annul ill-deeds. This is reminder for the mindful. Shakir And keep up prayer in the two parts of the day and in the first hours of the night; surely good deeds take away evil deeds this is a reminder to the mindful. Literal And keep up the prayers to (the) ends/edges (of) the daytime (to) parts from the night from the night; that the goodnesses wipe off/eliminate the sins/crimes, that (is) a remembrance/reminder to the praising/glorifying .

there you go.

 

17:79. And in some parts of the night (also) offer the Sal�t (prayer) with it (i.e. recite the Qur'an in the prayer), as an additional prayer (Tahajjud optional prayer Naw�fil) for you (O Muhammad SAW). It may be that your Lord will raise you to Maq�man Mahm�da (a station of praise and glory, i.e. the highest degree in Paradise!).

I have no idea what the above is, but here's some takes without all the insertions.

Y.Ali And pray in the small watches of the morning: (it would be) an additional prayer (or spiritual profit) for thee: soon will thy Lord raise thee to a Station of Praise and Glory! R.Khalifa During the night, you shall meditate for extra credit, that your Lord may raise you to an honorable rank. Pickthal And some part of the night awake for it, a largess for thee. It may be that thy Lord will raise thee to a praised estate. Shakir And during a part of the night, pray Tahajjud beyond what is incumbent on you; maybe your Lord will raise you to a position of great glory. Literal And from the night so wake up and pray with it, done above the call of duty for you, maybe/perhaps that (E) your Lord sends/resurrects you a praised/thanked position/residence .

here are some more translations http://www.studyquran.co.uk/

Where the above Verses tell you to pray 3 times daily?

take a good look at them again.

 

Your quoted Verse 11:115 does not say anything about prayers and its fixed hours! Do not attempt to duck the question. Show proper references from the Holy Quran. Explain what is the limit of the fixed time for every salat!.

look up

 

Where did Allah tell you that if there was any important in regard to the number of units He would have stated it in the Holy Quran? Bring your evidence.

thats not how it works. YOU are the one who claim that the number of units are in fact important. Where in his book does God tell you that they are important. state your evidence.

 

Where did Allah tell you to use your �God given head� to determine that the numbers of repetitions are unimportant? Where did Allah tell you to use your �God given head� to determine the manners of the prescribed prayers? Show the evidence from the Holy Quran.

actually Allah make itperfectly clear that we should use our common sense:

Y.Ali Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning). R.Khalifa We have committed to Hell multitudes of jinns and humans. They have minds with which they do not understand, eyes with which they do not see, and ears with which they do not hear. They are like animals; no, they are far worse - they are totally unaware. Pickthal Already have We urged unto hell many of the jinn and humankind, having hearts wherewith they understand not, and having eyes wherewith they see not, and having ears wherewith they hear not. These are as the cattle - nay, but they are worse! These are the neglectful. Shakir And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones. Literal And We had created/seeded to Hell many from the Jinns , and the human/mankind, for them (are) hearts/minds they do not understand/learn with it, and for them (are) eyes/sights they do not see/look/understand with it, and for them (are) ears they do not hear/listen with it, those are as the camels/livestock, but they are more misguided, those are the ignoring/neglecting .

Y.Ali And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). R.Khalifa You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them. Pickthal (O man), follow not that whereof thou hast no knowledge. Lo! the hearing and the sight and the heart - of each of these it will be asked. Shakir And follow not that of which you have not the knowledge; surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that. Literal And do not follow the tracks/accuse of evil deeds what knowledge is not for you with it (you have no knowledge of), that the hearing/listening, and the eye sight/knowledge, and the heart , all (of) those are/were about it questioned.

isnt it pretty obvious that we are to use our common sense, or face the consequences?

 

 

Where does Allah tell you that �the uttering should be what is actually on your mind�?

where does Allah in his book tell you to parrot the first verse of his own work back to him?

Did He reveal to you a separate Book or did He give you Al-Hikmah? Do not lie against Allah and His religion!

im not the one with a second book bro. I follow THE book, and no other books, like bukharis books, or muslims books, or maliks books. I follow none of those, so there is great irony in you saying this to me.

 

Did not Allah inform us in the following Verse that He had perfected His Religion during the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him)?   5:3. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Isl�m as your religion.   This statement of the Most Glorious means that everything that a muslim needs in regard to his living by Islam has been perfected during the time of Prophet Muhammd (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him). It does not mean that you can utter whatever trashes you have accumulated in your heart in regard to the practices of Islam!

Where is it that im doing that by quotiNg from the Quran and living accordingly to what it said?  I will be happy to show you every single verse in the Quran that shows that Mohammad was only to deliver the Quran, and judge by it. Nothing else.

Where did Allah ask you to say as such in your bowing & prostration during salat prayer? Bring evidence if you are truthful!

"Rabbi inn salamtu nafsin, wa aslamtu ma'a Sulaimaana, lillaahi rabbiul aalameen" which means, "... Oh my Lord, indeed I have wronged my soul. I SUBMIT MYSELF ALONG WITH SOLOMON, TO GOD THE LORD OF THE WORLDS" Sura, 27:44.

 

Where is in the Al-Quran Allah detailed the manner of the prescribed prayers? Bring evidence!

http://www.free-minds.org/articles/quranic/salat.htm

 

I see now you are referring to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as the one beside Allah who taught you the manner of prayers!

indeed he deliveres the Quran alhamdulilah

Al-Quran does not tell you the detailed manner of prayers.

then you should try and read it again :)

Then how do you claim that   Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also taught you the manner of prayer since you do not believe in Sunnah & Ahadith?

Because what he came with  was the Quran. what Bukhari, and muslim, and malik etc came with, was sunnah and hadith.

 

You can think whatever nonsense you want to think! My question was very clear as I have only asked you about Zakat but not Sadaqa. Now, because you cannot answer straight you are resorting to confuse the issue! Moreover, you are translating Verse 2:219 wrongly to suit your line of thinking! There is no mention of either Sadaqa or Zakat in that Verse. Here is the transliteration of Verse 2:219. 2:219. Yas-aloonaka AAani alkhamri waalmaysiri qul feehima ithmun kabeerun wamanafiAAu lilnnasi wa-ithmuhuma akbaru min nafAAihima wayas-aloonaka matha yunfiqoona quli alAAafwa kathalika yubayyinu Allahu lakumu al-ayati laAAallakum tatafakkaroona. Here is one of the much used translations of Verse 2:219 (Hilali & Muhshin Khan). Meaning of Yusuf Ali, Pickthall & Shakir Translations  is the same as Hilali & Muhshin Khan. 2:219. They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is beyond your needs." Thus All�h makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought." How this Verse relate to Zakat or Sadaqa?

try and read your own translation, how obvious can it get when you look at the context of the whole surah.

By Allah's Mercy, I am familiar with your type of people who distort meaning of the Quran to justify their lies. Anyway, the �Zakat� that I asked you about has been mentioned in many Verses of the Holy Quran. Here are two of them:  2:277. Truly those who believe, and do deeds of righteousness, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, they will have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.  5:55. Verily, your Wali (Protector or Helper) is Allah, His Messenger, and the believers, - those who perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, and they bow down (submit themselves with obedience to Allah in prayer). Now, tell me how do you determine the amount of Zakat to be paid (keep in mind that Islam has been perfected).

http://www.free-minds.org/articles/quranic/zakat.htm - the question has been answered full length here

What I meant by the rituals is the manner of performing the Hajj. I am not talking here about the purpose of Hajj.

If you do not understand the purpose of the hajj the rest of the question is pretty much invalid.

I am talking about how you perform Hajj. So do not mix up! Who taught you as to what to do during the Hajj? Surely, there are many rituals which have been described in the Holy Quran (find the Verses by yourself)

no thats not how it works, you have a point to make, make it by showing evidence.

 

Judging from your response, I find you are a much more ignorant individual then what I thought about you initially! Where in the Holy Quran Allah tells you that mankind to gather there in "peaceful debate"? Bring eveidence!

�So that they may witness benefits for themselves and recall God�s name in the appointed days over what He has provided for them of the animal livestock. So eat from it and feed the needy and the poor. Then let them complete their duties and fulfill their vows, and let them partake at the ancient sanctuary.� (Quran 22:28-29)

Here are the three reasons people would gather:

- To be made aware of the system established by God for the people.

- To witness benefits for themselves.

- To recall God�s name over the animal livestock.

The first objective of making �Pilgrimage� is to share with all mankind the system of laws and government and teachings that God has decreed to us through the Prophets

Your statement �So the question is rather WHY do you perform rituals at hajj� is a proof that you have no idea about what the Holy Quran says in regard to performing Hajj!

well why dont you show it to me then? :)
 

By the way, what do you understand by the word Manasik?

rites

  

by saying that �actually that is not what we learn at all� & �you are mixing up Gods words with Bukharis�. The following Verses are adequate to refute your lies: 4:157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]:

So , now we know for a fact that they didnt kill him. and that God made an illusion appear to them.

4:158. But All�h raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And All�h is Ever All�Powerful, All�Wis

This happens to everybody. where did this "(with his body and soul)" come from?

Secondly, you have not only quoted the references of the Verses wrongly (should be 3:46 & 5:110) but also you have resorted to lies in the translation of the Verses. Lets look at the correct meanings of Verses 3:46 & 5:110: 3:46. "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous." 5:110. (Remember) when All�h will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with R�h�ul�Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity;� Now lets look at some words in Verse 3:110.  In your translation you have translated the words �biroohi alqudusi�  as the �Holy Spirit�!  What a liar!! Where on earth you found the meanings of these words as such?

http://www.free-minds.org/articles/messengers/jesus.htm - it has been answered here in detail
 

You are again lying! Show evidence from the Holy Quran that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) died here!

http://www.free-minds.org/articles/messengers/jesus.htm - it has been answered here in detail

 

Surely, it would be odd for the ignorant people like you! If you had the understanding of the Holy Quran you would have known that the Messengers whom Allah has chosen are given the information of the unseen as much as He likes! Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):    72:26. "(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Gha'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Gha'ib (unseen)."[ 72:27. Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him. 72:28. [He (All�h) protects them (the Messengers)], till He sees that they (the Messengers) have conveyed the Messages of their Lord (All�h). And He (All�h) surrounds all that which is with them, and He (All�h) keeps count of all things (i.e. He knows the exact number of everything). Apart from the above Verses, we learn from the following Verse that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) had the knowledge of unseen as much as Allah liked him to have it. Otherwise, the statement �he (Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) withholds not a knowledge of the unseen� will have no meaning. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):     81:24. And he (Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) withholds not a knowledge of the unseen.

you are missing my point. http://www.free-minds.org/articles/themessenger/messenger.htm - but  it has been asnwered here allready

 

Of course there are no confusions in Islam. It is only people like you who are confused! Well, you have my response above where I have quoted the relevant Verses!

but mostly you have told me to go look them up myself. thanks for the help borther. altso, look at my response

 

have proven that you are a heretic who wrongly translates the Holy Quran.

no you have proven that YOU have an oppinion, wich is good, i respect that.

I have also proven your disbelief and hypocrisy. You disbelieved in Allah�s revelation in many of your statements as I have proved with appropriate Verses.

Where is it that you have proven that?

Your hypocrisy has been exposed. You say you believe but in reality you do not believe!

 
Could you show where in the Quran yo uhave been given authority, to tell what is in my heart?

Listen Noah, I know you are a big liar and you have persisted in your lies against Allah�s revelation and religion as evident from this post and your other posts here. You should however note that Allah guides not the liars, hypocrites & disbelievers. So, if you fear Allah and His punishment then stop your great evil of spreading disbelief and lies. You should repent and beg Allah to forgive you.

yeah whatever

 

Allah konws best. May Allah guide us to His Straight Way.

indeed

As Salamu Alaikum

Just curious Noah, how do you pray, and fast and calculate your Zakat etc.

Take care

Salams