Is it right?
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Topic: Is it right?
Posted By: alsathik
Subject: Is it right?
Date Posted: 29 June 2005 at 5:13pm
Salaam Alaikkum,
one of our muslim sister was raped by her father-in-law and she was forced to marry her father-in-law by the Islamic cleric in Uttar Pradash, India. Is it corrrect?
let me know about this.
Walaikkum Salaam.
------------- Md Sathik Khan
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Posted By: J.R.
Date Posted: 29 June 2005 at 6:06pm
Assalamu Alaikum,
How can this even be a question if it's right?! All logic points to NO!!!
The fact that she was raped and the rapist has obviously gone
unpunished shows how wrong it is. I once read a story from the
Prophet's time (pbuh) and forgive me if I don't have the story exactly
right. A woman in the community was raped and instead of the rapist
being punished for his crime, both families wanted to settle the matter
though a settlement of money. The Prophet (pbuh) once hearing of this
insisted that the rapist be punished. I wonder if anyoen else has heard of
this.
May Allah (swt) comfort taht poor woman and give her strength.
Peace,
J.R.
------------- Smile
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Posted By: kim!
Date Posted: 30 June 2005 at 2:09am
???????
If she has a father in law, she has a husband - how could she marry the father in law?
God - why are there SO many places in the world where women are actually better off DEAD?
Kim...
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Posted By: hkrespect
Date Posted: 30 June 2005 at 3:50am
it is sickening
just goes to show how lack of islamic understandin and islamic faith there is in the world.
that man shud be killed.
its a cliche - but we need an islamic state
------------- hk
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Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 30 June 2005 at 4:28am
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum
I dont know what they are practecing there but it isnt Islam.
It clearly says in the Quran "La Ikraha Fi Deen" There is no compultion in religion.
Regarding this very point Imam Malik One of Islams Greatest Mujtahid
Scholars would not take back his ruling on the matter even after being
flogged and paraded.
The caliph Abu Ja`far al-Mansur had forbidden Malik to narrate the
hadith: "The divorce of the coerced does not take effect" (laysa `ala
mustakrahin / li mukrahin tal�q). Then a spy came to Malik and asked him about the
issue, whereupon Malik narrated the hadith in front of everyone. He was seized and lashed
until his shoulder was dislocated and he passed out. When he came to, he said: "He
[al-Mansur] is absolved of my lashing." When asked why he had absolved him, Malik
replied: "I feared to meet the Prophet after being the cause for the perdition of one
of his relatives." Ibrahim ibn Hammad said he saw Malik being carried up and walking
away, carrying one of his hands with the other. Then they shaved his face and he was
mounted on a camel and paraded. He was ordered to deprecate himself aloud, whereupon he
said: "Whoever knows me, knows me; whoever does not know me, my name is Malik ibn
Anas, and I say: The divorce of the coerced is null and void!" When news of this
reached Ja`far ibn Sulayman (d. 175) the governor of Madina and cousin of al-Mansur, he
said: "Bring him down, let him go."
------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Posted By: Khadija1021
Date Posted: 30 June 2005 at 10:57pm
I recently read a fatwa on a similar case in South Africa where a sister was molested by her father-in-law and she was told that it invalidated her marriage and that she could never go back to her husband. The Imam said the ruling was incorrect and that the father-in-law was guilty of a crime and that the woman could not be held responsible for this unless she was a willing participant. I believe some people are confused. In the Qur'an, it states that a man cannot marry his father's wife if the marriage was consummated; however, if the marriage was not consummated, then it is lawful. I think the confusion is that some people get this twisted and think it means if a father has intercourse with a woman, she is therefore unlawful to the son. But this is not what the Qur'an says. It is only the case if he has married her. If he has not married her, then he has committed a sin and she is not forbidden to marry, even his son. So, what they have done is taken an act where a man has sinned and violated this woman and turned it into something which is even a greater sin. Inshallah this poor sister will fine relief soon.
------------- Say: 'My prayer and my rites, my living and my dying, are for Allah alone, the Lord of all the worlds. (Qur'an, 6:162)
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Posted By: ZamanH
Date Posted: 08 July 2005 at 9:15pm
alsathik wrote:
one of our muslim sister was raped by her father-in-law and she was
forced to marry her father-in-law by the Islamic cleric in Uttar
Pradash, India. Is it corrrect? |
Nope that is not correct. I wish I could have replied to you earlier.
The fatwa by the local Muslim cleric ordered the victimised woman to
live separately from her husband and five children, after being raped
by her father-in-law.
As far as I know, that judgement is islamically sound because a man is
not supposed to have intercourse with women who had intercouse with
their fathers or sons.
------------- An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men.
..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191)
Heaven lies under mother's feet
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Posted By: ZamanH
Date Posted: 08 July 2005 at 9:20pm
Kim wrote:
God - why are there SO many places in the world where women are actually better off DEAD? |
Poverty is so crippling here, almost as many men feel the same way.
Admittedly, women do suffer significantly (but not greatly) more
compared to men and that is a disgrace. But, I don't think most of them
will think its intolerable to live here if they had not been poor.
------------- An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men.
..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191)
Heaven lies under mother's feet
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Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 09 July 2005 at 6:12am
ZamanH wrote:
As far as I know, that judgement is islamically sound because a man is not supposed to have intercourse with women who had intercouse with their fathers or sons. |
Assalamu alaikum,
Rape is not intercourse - it is a crime of violence. A man cannot have intercourse with women who had it with their fathers or sons through legal marriage. Rape is an entirely different matter.
Peace, ummziba.
------------- Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~
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Posted By: Meedo
Date Posted: 27 July 2005 at 8:10pm
The story is false Ladies . I knwo you mean the lady in India . The story is false and it was discovered that she was paid money to say that !! Please search for the article on http://www.Islamonline.net - www.Islamonline.net
------------- Meedo
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Posted By: dr_sarah
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 7:23am
Hi All
As this is a ladies forum, i may take an oppurtunity and ask as a married woman, what are the obligations of husband of sexual satisfaction towards a wife...does he need to sexually satisfy the wife needs and to the level where she is satisfied or its the utmost pleasure of the husband to what level he can have...
As a wife should i give him oral sex satisfaction which he asks me to and to what level should be done...as a married woman i am left at a high end dry up during the intercourse very frequently as he is done with his pleasure leaving me high...in such cases which is almost every time can i take some help of a maid to help me to take me to the level of satisfaction by the help of a toy or masturabation...what can be done and should be done as wife...he reaches the point where he cant have more and i m left high and dry.
Sarah
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Posted By: Khadija1021
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 4:35pm
Assalamu Alaikum
Sister Sarah, yes, this is the sisters section of the forum; however, you question is probably best for a different or new thread topic. As a quick response to your question, both the husband and wife have equal rights to sexual satisfaction in marriage. He should not be only concerned with his own sexual satisfaction. And according to fatwas I have seen, it is not permitted for you to use sexual toys or masturbation by yourself just as your husband is not permitted to do such things by himself. Sex and sexual satisfaction is something that husband and wife should always share together and equally.
PAZ, Khadija
------------- Say: 'My prayer and my rites, my living and my dying, are for Allah alone, the Lord of all the worlds. (Qur'an, 6:162)
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Posted By: Khadija1021
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 4:58pm
ZamanH wrote:
alsathik wrote:
one of our muslim sister was raped by her father-in-law and she was forced to marry her father-in-law by the Islamic cleric in Uttar Pradash, India. Is it corrrect? |
Nope that is not correct. I wish I could have replied to you earlier. The fatwa by the local Muslim cleric ordered the victimised woman to live separately from her husband and five children, after being raped by her father-in-law.
As far as I know, that judgement is islamically sound because a man is not supposed to have intercourse with women who had intercouse with their fathers or sons. |
ZamanH, the judgment is not Islamically sound because the woman was married to the son and not the father.
"And marry not women whom your fathers married except what is past: it was shameful and odious an abominable custom indeed." (Sura 4, Ayat 22)
This man did not marry a woman whom his father had married. He was married to her and his father raped her.
"Prohibited to you (for marriage) are: your mother daughters sisters father's sisters mother's sisters; brother's daughters sister's daughters foster-mothers (who gave you suck) foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship born of your wives to whom ye have gone in no prohibition if ye have not gone in; (those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful." (Sura 4, Ayat 23)
And even if at the time of the rape, this woman had not still been married to the son, the father would be forbidden to marry her because it is forbid for a man to marry a woman that had been married to his son.
So, the act of making this woman leave her husband and marry the father is itself an unIslam act.
It is the father who should be punished for this horrible act against this woman. In fact, he should receive a most horrible punishment for what he has done. Not only has he violated this woman, he has violated his son as well. But above all, he violated Allah's Laws.
PAZ, Khadija   ;   ;   ;
------------- Say: 'My prayer and my rites, my living and my dying, are for Allah alone, the Lord of all the worlds. (Qur'an, 6:162)
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Posted By: Saido
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 6:35pm
Subhanallah!
What is happening to our Muslim ummah. I am just shocked. I have never in my life heard a Muslim man raping his daughter-in-law.
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Posted By: ummsaleh
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:06am
I agree with Saido, Subhanallah- what a shock
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Posted By: Saido
Date Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:52am
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