Islamic and Christian Similarities?
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Posted By: DominusVobiscum
Subject: Islamic and Christian Similarities?
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 8:37pm
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Hello All! I am currently taking a comparative theology class in which we are discussing whether it is possible for Catholics and Muslims to hold a constructive dialogue on matters of faith. The reason I bring this up is that the Catholic Church (which I belong to) and Muslims both agree that they each contain all Truth. Does this allow for dialogue? And if so, what are some things that we could agree upon? For example, do we worship the same God? Some would say yes because we are People of the Book, but others would say know because it appears as if the "God" that Catholics believe in is different from Allah. If I could finally note that I hold great respect for Muslims, and I am only looking for Truth. I would ask that you keep me in your prayers, and if you know of any prayers that could help me, please let me know. As I said before, I am open to Truth. I would like to see this post stay positive if possible. Thank you! |
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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 23 October 2008 at 2:37pm
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Welcome and peace be with you,
I think it is only through dialogue and discussion that we can reach across and help each other in our understanding of the other first, and then through learning make our own decision and choose our own destiny.
I am not a scholar and we don't have to be one, but we must know what we believe and how to explain it. Each one of us has different ways to explain and understand things, thus in my opinion, more people you give a chance to explain more views you may see. I would suggest that this should be taken as positive and not let it to be a reason of confusion.
I personally like to make things simple, concise and brief.
Also I will make it clear that my purpose is not to preach or convert you, only to bring you closer to what I believe to be the truth. As I said before, you choose what you do with it, its your soul, yourself that will benefit from your own sound decision.
And I aways start with the most important question first, God.
Those of us that seek God, agree that there is only One God. We all claim and agree with that, and that's good. Now how we know and seek Him divides us as Muslims, Catholics, Christians, Jews, Hindus and so on.
I see that your question also has to do with if we as Muslims worship the same God as the Catholics. That is a very interesting question, and its answer is not as simple as yes or no. As a Catholic you know how you believe God to be. Now you have to ask yourself, how convincing that belief is to you?
Even though there are more details to it, but for me as a Muslim these four verses sum up who do I worship:
Some of the main issues between us:
In Islam we believe that God is not contained in a form or body to have a shape as Catholics believe when they say that we (humans) are made in the image of God.
So for us God is not a supersized human looking being.
We Muslims believe that God has Created All, and Himself was not Created, nor born, nor does God beget children. That is in contrast to the Catholic belief that Jesus is Son of God.
By the way this is one of the main points that is claimed to be reason on both sides that we worship a different God.
Also, in my personal experience this to be the main reason for those who revert to Islam simply because while they were still Catholic, there hearts still could not accept Jesus as the Son of God rather a man of God, a prophet. My wife, a former Catholic is an example nearest to me. She has said that in those days it was just a ritual for her to participate for no other than a regular family practice to kneel, and hold and kiss the baby Jesus, son of God during the holiday season. She says it was not until she learnt Jesus' position through Islam that she realized she actually believed about him the Islamic way without knowing Islam, which we believe to be in within us. Thus it was natural for her to accept and to see him as a beloved prophet of God rather.
My understanding of the Quran tells me that the people of the book, worshipped God same way as we do in Islam. It was not until the deviation took them away from the ways of the prophets that God redirected humanity into correct worship over again through a new prophet each time.
Quran mentions several times that none other than God is to be worshipped, and that has to prove in practice rather than just the theory.
You will find many material talking in detail on this on Islamicity website, but I will be glad to explain or answer any questions you may have.
May God help us all in our effort to please Him.
Ameen,
Hasan
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Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 26 October 2008 at 5:48am
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Commonalities b/w Catholic Christianity and Islam:
1. Both believe in a Higher Divine Power/Creator a.k.a God (regardless of how we name/pervieve Him i.e. son etc)
2. Christianity and Islam are the ONLY two Religions that hold Jesus in high respect. (ignoring the issue of divinity at the moment) and believe in him, as a pious, Man sent down by God/Allah to preach His message.
3. Christianity and Islam are the ONLY two religions that believe in the Chastity of Mary/Maryam - and her piety. And that require this belief as a part of faith.
4. Only two religions , in which believing in Jesus as a pious, servant of God is a matter of faith. (taking divinity aside)
5. Both share common basic morals, e.g:
6. Both Christianity and Islam have (had) thier respective Prophets (Jesus and Muhammad) rejected by Judaism/Jews. (No, not an anti-semitic rant, just a factual similarity I just thought of)
7. Both religions believe in the same Prophets and thier message e.g. Abraham, Moses, David, Job, Adam, Joseph, Solomon, Jacob, Noah, Lot - to name some.
8. Both religions believe in the concept of a Judgement Day - and ressurection after death, and an after life and heaven and hell
9. Both the followers of the two religions have a particular fondness for Jerusalem
10. Hold somewhat similar views about Abortion - and sanctity of human life/foetus
11. Both frown upon Homosexuality as deviant behaviour.
Thats all I could think of at the moment. . . will post more later, if I can think of any, inshalah.
Regards,
------------- "O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young." |
Posted By: DominusVobiscum
Date Posted: 27 October 2008 at 7:24pm
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Thank you very much Honeto and Chrysalis for your replies. One of the reasons that I have asked these questions is to try to learn more about the Islamic faith, which I started to become interested in. Any perspective, whether we agree or disagree on it, can only serve to lead us to truth. In regards to whether we worship the same God, I think that it is a tricky subject. While we would both say that we worship the God of Moses/Abraham/Solomon/Isaiah/etc. it doesn't sound as if we are necessarily discussing the same God. Where I, as a Catholic, would say that I believe Jesus is God, you as a Muslim would say that he isn't. How then could we be worshiping the same God? I don't know. Honeto, you have brought up an interesting point in stating your belief that all of the people of the book worshiped God in the same way that Islam currently does. Would you say that this belief arises from your belief that Islam has been around since the time of Adam (is that what Islam teaches?)? Finally, I would like to say that as of late I have been questioning my Catholic faith. I wouldn't say that I am on the brink of leaving, but not quite sure if my faith is the True faith. I am only 18 years old, and these questions have only really begun to come to the forefront of my mind. Any insight into why I should be a Muslim would be great. Again, I am only seeking Truth. Thank you for your time. |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 28 October 2008 at 6:54pm
Dominus,
first I must admire you for your effort and desire to know the truth about God at this age. Not too many would be doing that in today's world. So may God help you find what is right for you and the Truth.
It is true that Islam teaches us that the first man and prophet Adam, to the last prophet Mohammed (pbut) all worshiped the One and Only God there is, and preached the same belief. It was through deviation and alteration and rejection of many that brought us so many deviations and religions. But through His Mercy He kept sending these guides or prophets from time to time to keep those who believe in One God on the right path.
I will write more later.
Peace
Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
DominusVobiscum wrote:Posted By: DominusVobiscum
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 4:04pm
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Please don't think too highly of me Hasan. I am a great sinner, and am the least worthy of all of God's creatures. Definitely write more about the Prophets. I am interested to hear a Muslim perspective on them. Could you possibly show me how they were considered Muslims? Like I said, I am drawn to Islam, so I would like to learn much about it. |
Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 29 October 2008 at 10:33pm
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Shalom alykom, Assalamu Alaikum, That was a greeting which jesus greeted and the other one is an islamic greeting, which means "peace be upon you". The only difference between the both is, one is in hebrew and the lattter is in arabic. Anyways, Dominus, we are very happy to see you here, at discussions. I wish you a very happy stay. To continue the discussions, here are our earlier threads, which discuss Prophets in Islam. Today, we shall get to read Enoch {Idris}, Ayoub {Job}, Shuaib, Lut {Lot] and Hud { Peace be upon them all}
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=519 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=519 http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1696 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1696 http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1695 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1695 http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1694 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1694 You can get to read of all other prophets from this link too http://www.islamawareness.net/Prophets/ - http://www.islamawareness.net/Prophets/ ------------- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent." |
Posted By: DominusVobiscum
Date Posted: 30 October 2008 at 5:58pm
| Thank you very much, seekshidayath! In fact, my name, Dominus Vobiscum, means "The Lord be with you." I will check out those links. Any other suggested reading is greatly appreciated. |
Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 7:27am
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Thankx a lot for the thought of checking them. By the way, what does "Vobiscum" mean ?
Other suggested reading --- ! Shall post them soon. Till then, if you wish , u can post your feedback of the earlier links,
I shall try to share those links by tomorrow, insha Allah ------------- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent." |
Posted By: Imani
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 8:30am
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Definitely write more about the Prophets. I am interested to hear a Muslim perspective on them. Could you possibly show me how they were considered Muslims? Like I said, I am drawn to Islam, so I would like to learn much about it. [/QUOTE] Salam alaikum, Dominus.
Welcome to the forum. BRAVO!!!
I'm also a starter and what i will say is that, "May the Almighty ALLAH guide you on the right path. "
well, all the prophets who were sent to mankind were true muslims because they all worshipped and believed in only one and eternal God.
to save most of your time off the internet, i would like you to purcash this book " stories of the prophets" by IBN KATHIR. ------------- "But those who believe and do righteous deeds are the best of all creatures."(surah98:7) peace for all peace for the nation. To Allah indeed we are to return. SALAM |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 04 November 2008 at 6:01pm
Dominus,
sorry I was away for a few days. I am back with answer to your question. All prophets were Muslims by faith. Well, a Muslim is a person who submits to the will of One and Only God, the Creator of All. Since Adam was the first man and prophet who recieved guidance from God, and after him many many prophets came throughout human history who recieved the same guidance, followed it and preached it. This same guidance was revised through the final prophet, Prophet Mohammed (pbuh). So all of those who followed this beleif in One God and message sent through God's prophets were Muslims by faith.
The Quran states:
3:67 Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to God's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with God.
22:78 and struggle for God as is His due, for He has chosen you, and has laid on you no impediment in your religion, being the creed of your father Abraham; He named you Muslims aforetime and in this, that the Messenger might be a witness against you, and that you might be witnesses against mankind. So perform the prayer, and pay the alms, and hold you fast to God; He is your Protector -- an excellent Protector, an excellent Helper. ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 11 November 2008 at 2:04pm
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Assalamu alaikum. Brother Dominus Vobiscum. Christianity according to what I read was coined sometimes after 70 A.C. Muhammad Rasulullah did not call the Muslims following the previous scriptures with a name other than Muslims. Reverend Cantwell Smith a Minister in the Vatican wrote that there was no name other than Islam. All other names were inventions. Christian in Arabic meant 'Helpers' those who helped Propeht Isa (AS) the son of Maryam. Your sin is no hinderance to accepting Islam ie believing in Muhammad and praying. Believe it or not you are Muslim technically. Muhammad Rasulullah never fought the followers of Propeht Isa (AS) and they did not come incontact with him as they were living in Najran until after the conquest of Makka. In dialogue we should be sincere, honest and argue on scientific basis. Friendship. |
Posted By: Imani
Date Posted: 11 November 2008 at 2:19pm
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i agree with you friendship. ------------- "But those who believe and do righteous deeds are the best of all creatures."(surah98:7) peace for all peace for the nation. To Allah indeed we are to return. SALAM |
Posted By: Al Qalam
Date Posted: 13 November 2008 at 1:35am
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Perhaps the primary difference, the monotheistic doctrine of Islam and the Polytheistic nature of Catholicism will be the ultimate deal-breaker.
I was born and raised Catholic, but decided to leave the church when I was 18. I had looked back over those 18 years, and found that I had known virtually no comfort or peace from Catholicism. At the time I didn't fully understand why. Just too young and foolish, I guess.
A few years ago, I began reading the Quran, and realized almost instantly why Catholicism never worked for me. It was the polytheistic nature of it that always left me confused. I never knew who I was supposed to pray to. Was it God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Blessed Virgin, or one of the many saints? With Islam, there was no question or confusion. There is no God but God, and the concept of the Oneness of God restored my faith that I had lived without for 30 years after leaving Catholicism. It would be impossible for me now to return to Catholicism, knowing what I now know about Islam.
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Posted By: Imani
Date Posted: 13 November 2008 at 2:34pm
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Al Qalam may ALLAH shower HIS mercy and blessing over you and your household.
I hope that you become an Active member in this forum since you are new in this forum. ------------- "But those who believe and do righteous deeds are the best of all creatures."(surah98:7) peace for all peace for the nation. To Allah indeed we are to return. SALAM |
Posted By: thomas-philip
Date Posted: 15 December 2008 at 10:14am
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thanks all for your insights on this topic. As a (Roman) Catholic Christian who had a Protestant mother (Dutch Reformed), I was raised to look beyond the rules or doctrine of any faith and not blindly accept what is been taught to me. Although I have read many passages from the Quran and Bible(s), I am by no means an expert, but have come up with my tenants to which God will some day judge me:
1. follow the 10 commandments (and dont lose sight of the 1st commandment.)
2. love one another
3. practice forgiveness
The many people who throughout history have tried to teach God's word to us, be it the prophets and others of good deed, are to be studied and to try to learn how to follow God's way.
Since we ALL are human, our works here on earth are flawed and since the Bible & Quran are of human origin, then the words there will forever be open for interpertation. (I must admit I do struggle with the Quran stating Jesus was not crucified, but I can live with that) Muslims have a valid point when it comes to Jesus's divine status and the proclaimation of the trinty-- again human flaws when trying to comprehend God's work. I do believe Jesus is the son of God, as is ALL of us- for are we not His children? He also is the son of man too. Saints in the Roman Catholic faith are God's instruments in spreading His word; the leaders of my faith I think get a little too carried away in their doctrines, but they are human and warrant my forgiveness--and yours.
To those who follow the Quran:like you, I am a follower of Abraham, Moses, Issiac, Jesus and after reading Mohammed's teachings, there are many that I can learn from in my goal of reaching heaven. BUT, my faith is rooted in that Jesus died on the cross for us all. His words of loving one another and teaching us of God's law has been tainted by numerous people in the past 2000 years. Please dont paint all us Christians with too broad a brush. We have too much in common to be divided by our differences... for God is waiting for us to understand we ALL need to follow no. 2 & 3 above when praticing our faith to Him. the sooner we do this, the sooner we will receive His grace.
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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 15 December 2008 at 11:43am
Thomas-Philip,
I respect the way you believe, if I may ask a couple of questions based on what you stated to be your belief.
1-How do you draw the conclusion on Jesus (pbuh) being son of God, as is all of us? And what you mean by 'son' here?
2-Jesus (pbuh) died on the cross for us all, what do you mean by that can you explain?
Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 15 December 2008 at 1:57pm
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Assalamu alaikum. Thomas-phillip posted. I do believe Jesus is the son of God, as is ALL of us- for are we not His children? He also is the son of man too. Response: First of all, I have to congratulate you for having the courage to read the holy Qur'an. There are a lot of guidelines and principles that you need to know to guide you. I hope with time you learn them in this forum. The holy Qur'an is a Message and a Reminder from Allah to the and involving the offsprings of Abraham because his 2 children were the primary conveyors of the Message. Muhammad in reality did not come with a new Message, but came to tell the world what He Revealed before Muhammad. The Argument of Allah is that His Servants were misguided. His Mercy and Love dictates that He would not punish anyone out of ignorance, but only after evidences, proofs etc are made available to one, and then on his own volition refused to understand. Allah Swore by Himself that He has created human beings and have given them hearing sight and understanding necessary to know Him and worship Him. The one not able to understand Allah is free from blame for his case is with Allah to decide. Now the issue is that the Arabs (Quraysh) in the 13 years Muhammad preached in Makka never denied that what Muhammad told them about Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lut, Isaac, Ishmael were untrue or fabricated. The stories of these Messengers formed the Book of Genesis. There was also the story of Moses. Here and there Allah kept on inviting the Children to say something about Muhammad, if the Truth he brought contradicted what they knew. No one of them ever challenged him. Their stories are enough to make one understand Allah, fear Him and worship Him. There are one ot two signifcant emphasis. When Muhammad made the Hijra, he met the Children of Israel in Madina who according to history came to Madina awaiting the Messiah as told in their scriptures- the OT. He again told them under Inspiration the story of their ancestors in particular their journey in Paran desert and the Shari'a (Ten Commandment). He also reminded them the victory of their ancestors over their enemies (Hititites, caanites, Philistines, Amelikites) was only possible under a Prophet. His Shari'a was no less than the Ten Commandment, but this time with evidences, witness and the element of mercy, forgiveness and love. Muhammad had no Shari'a that if carefully scrutinized had no root from the OT and NT. His contact with the Children of Israel in Madina lasted for about 7 years. They knew more than Muhammad Rasulullah the meaning of Covenant and that it is not to be broken. When they broke the Covenant they had with him, they were exiled under the Law of Moses. In the 9th of the Hijra those who called themslves Christians from Yaman, came to him in Madina asking about the nature of Propeht Isa (Jesus) AS. There and then Chapter 3: 26-64 was revealed. The conversation that took place was wll documented in Guillaumes Life of Muhamamd pps 179 and 270. So, in short what we have today is a holy Qur'an (holy comparisson) not only Protacted, Confirmed and Approved by Allah but buy equally by all the Children of Israel and those who called themselves Christians from 610-632 A.C. Why should one disagree and argue on what has been agreed upon by those actively present? The question of Jesus and you and me becoming the sons of Allah has been disputed by Allah Himself. He said for example in Qur'an, 21:17, "Had We intended to take a pastime (i.e. a wife or a son), We could surely have taken it from Us, If We were going to do (that)". And further down He reported to us those disputing about Him having a son. He says, "And they say: The Most Gracious (Allah) has begotten a son (or children)". Glory to Him! They( whom they call the children of Allah i.e. the angels, Jesus and Ezra) are but honoured servants. They speak not until He has spoken, and they act on His Command". Absolving the Messiah form ignorance, Allah says in Qur'an 4:172, "The Messiah will never be proud to reject to be a slave of Allah..." The question of Jesus dying on the cross equally was addressed by Allah in the Qur'an. I am sure you have read the chapter. By the way where is the Gospel of Barnabas? Friendship. |
Posted By: OneWay
Date Posted: 28 January 2009 at 11:41am
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The bible does teach that if someone was trying to shoot someone because they where a muslim, I as a christian should step in front of the bullet.
Christian are not to be hostile to Muslims but loving.
Although as far as theology is concerned there is a huge difference between Muslims and Christianity.
Since you are catholic you probably don't see the difference.
Muslim deny that Jesus is God. Muslim claim Jesus was a prophet. If Jesus was just a prophet we are all going to Hell, and then Muslims and christians would have that in common.
Salvation is not based on works. Salvation only comes through Jesus Christ. When you receive Jesus as your savior good works will follow, but good works don't make you a christian, or go to paradise.
Eze 36:26 "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances. The bible teaches that christians are new creatures:
2Corithians, 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
Muslim are just like every other religion, including catholics who beleive you are saved by works. |
Posted By: OneWay
Date Posted: 28 January 2009 at 12:13pm
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Abraham and Nimrod In the Koran, Abraham lived in a land ruled by King Nimrod. In the story (Sura Abraham and the Ka�bah According to the Koran, Abraham and his son Ishmael were the ones who built the Ka�bah in ��there is no historical evidence for the assertion that Abraham or Ishmael was ever in Mecca, and if there had been such a tradition it would have to be explained how all memory of the Old Semitic name Ishmael (which was not in its true Arabian form in Arabian inscriptions and written correctly with an initial consonant Y) came to be lost. The form in the Quran is taken either from Greek or Syriac sources.� -Alfred Guillaume, Islam (Baltimore: Penguin Books Inc., 1956), pp.61-62. Also, common sense screams against it. Abraham used to live in the city of |
Posted By: Friendship
Date Posted: 29 January 2009 at 3:08am
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Assalamu alaikum. OneWay posting: I am well coming you to this forum and I hope your in depth knowledge of the scriptures will help in fulfilling the objective of this forum. It is important to note that much of what we read in other languages explaining what is revealed to Muhammad Rasulullah is not what is available in Arabic Texts that appeals to common sense and reasoning. Now there is the important issues of archaelogical findings and philosopy also. Note that: 1) Prophet Muhammad did not deal with genealogy of the prophets except th children of Abraham. 2) Prophet Muhammad did not tell his Sahabas those who threw Abraham into the fire pit. 3) Muhammad Rasulullah did not object or rejected what was confirmed by history if there were such records at that time confirming what was revealed to him. It is best for the Children of Israel to say something on that subject matter. The followers of Muhammad are just required to listen and to repeat what they said whenever necessary. 4) The Quraysh who were descendant of Abraham did not disagree with Muhammad that the Ka'ba was not built by Abraham and his son Ishmael. They never disagreed with him on what Allah revealed to him about the Ka'ba. I think today we should not dispute on what the witnesses confirmed to us. I understood that the Bible restricted its story only to the Children of Isaac excluding the Children of Keturah and Ishmael. There are equally names of prophets mentioned in the Qur'an not available in the Bible. 5) My A. Guillaume was the 1987 edition. Please under which heading did he comment on your pp61-62. 6) A true believer in Muhammad is not supposed to descriminate between the Scriptures! That is for me the Bible is as important to me as the Qur'an for if you had followed our argument earlier, I stated that the Qur'an contains about 70% of what is in the OT and NT. The difference is only exemplified in your laqab (i.e your penname OneWay meaning in Qur'an Siratul Mustaqeem). 7) OneWay, please let us have with you certain guidelines to follow while discussing on world history. Do you have Reverend Matthews commentary on the whole Bible? Which other books do you have explaining the Bible? In Islam i.e. teaching of Muhammad we have authorities that we always refer to before one makes up his conclusion on an issue. Frienship. |
Posted By: OneWay
Date Posted: 29 January 2009 at 5:27pm
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A. Guillaume was the 1956 edition. I don't know the heading.
The bible does talk of Ishmael.
"Early the next morning Abraham took some food and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar. He set them on her shoulders and then sent her off with the boy. She went on her way and wandered in the desert of Beersheba. When the water in the skin was gone, she put the boy under one of the bushes. Then she went off and sat down nearby, about a bowshot away, for she thought, �I cannot watch the boy die.� And as she sat there nearby, she began to sob. God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, "What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.' Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt." Genesis 21:13-21 |
Posted By: Issa
Date Posted: 01 December 2009 at 7:49am
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The Prophet Solomon's Temple - The Temple Of Judaism .
( 1 ) The temple is shaped like a cube ,
( 2 ) The high priest can only enter the Temple once a year on the day of atonement .
( 3 ) The Judahites believe that when you visit the temple your sins are forgiven .
( 4 ) The holiest place in the temple was covered with a veil ( Exodus 26;31-37 ) .
( 5 ) The temple of Judaism houses the Ark of the Covenant & the mercy seat ( Exo 26;33-34
( 6 ) Solomon the son of the Prophet David built the Temple of Judaism ( 2 sAM 7;12-13 , 1Kings 5;5, 8;20-21 ,
( 7 ) The building was built with gold hewn stones and cedar ( Exodus Chapter 26 ) .
( 8 ) The people of Judaism face the Holy Temple in prayer ( 1Kings 8;22 ) .
( 9 ) The Judahites made a pilgrimage to worship at the Temple .
( 10 ) Solomon's temples was destroyed and the rebuilt .
( 11 ) The Temple fell into the hands of Israelis , enemies of Islam today .
( 12 ) The Temple was rebuilt by Herod the Great who sought to buy the Judahites . He started in 19 B.C. and finished 18 years later .
( 13 ) Every day from the temple a chant could be heard .
( 14 ) The Judahites who worshipped at the Temple prostrated in prayer ( Daniel 2;46 )
( 15 ) After Herod built the temple he charged his people a high tax
The Prophet Muhammad's Temple - The Temple Of Islam .
( 1 ) The Ka'ba is shape like a cube
( 2 ) The Saudi Arabian King's family enter the Ka'ba once a year on Hajj for atonement .
( 3 ) Muslims believe that when you go on Hajj which is to visit the Ka'ba your sins are forgiven ( The Qur'an 2;158 )
( 4 ) The Ka'ba is veiled with a black drape called a Kiswa
( 5 ) The Ka'ba house the Black Stone .
( 6 ) The Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael built the Ka'ba ( The Quran 2;125 ) .
( 7 ) The Kiswa is woven and embroidered in gold and silver . It is made of 670 kilogram of pure silk and dyed black . The border is embroidered in gold - plated silver wire and emblazoned - with verse from the Koran .
( 8 ) Muslims face the direction of the Holy Temple where the Ka'ba sits ( The Qur'an 2;125 ).
( 9 ) Muslims go on a pilgrimage to worship at the Ka'ba .
( 10 ) The Ka'ba was destroyed and then rebuilt .
( 11 ) The Ka'ba has fallen into the hands of the Wahhabis , the enemies of true Islam today .
( 12 ) The Wahhabis of Saudi are rebuilding Mecca and buying all Muslims .
( 13 ) Every day from the minaret of the Ka'ba a chant ( The Adhan ) can be heard .
( 14 ) Muslims prostrate in prayer ( The Quran 2;43 ) .
( 15 ) Saudi Arabian Charge pilgrim Hajj
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Posted By: OneWay
Date Posted: 09 December 2009 at 1:42pm
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How can you discuss similarities between christians and muslims when both are fundamentally different?
Muslim deny Jesus is God. If Jesus was not God, we are all going to Hell. Only God can pay for the sins of man. This is christianity. Without Jesus there wouldn't be christianity.
The simple fact is both christian and muslims can't be correct. Either christians are correct and muslim are wrong, or muslims are right and christians are wrong. You can't talk about similarities when both are fundamentally different.
(1Corinthians 15:1-4) 1.Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
2. by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 3. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4. and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, (Galations 1:6-9)
6.I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7. which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9. As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! ------------- 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 09 December 2009 at 9:13pm
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Hi Oneway, strangely enough to whom you are calling God, according to the same Bible have a God, to whom he worshipped, called for help and returned. We know that God does not have a God. God does not worship to another God. And God does not born or die. The Bible shows all the proof that Jesus had a God to whom he worshiped and called God, seeked help from Him, acknowledged His power over All, and that without help from God he could do nothing. And that is the correction God did show humanity through Quran, so we all can have a chance to the truth and toward salvation. Luke 18:19And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. 42Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. 43And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. Luke 23:47Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man. Luke12:8"I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. 9But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. 10And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. I have more quotes in my Bible study notes but I think these are sufficient for now. May God of Jesus, God of Moses, God of Abraham, God of Mohammed (pbut) guide you and us all to the truth, Ameen. Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: OneWay
Date Posted: 10 December 2009 at 8:03am
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http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=59438&FID=7 - honeto
You are giving the Jehovah witness argument. Their theology is just as false. The problem is you don't understand what christians believe.
Jesus was both 100% man and 100% God. Jehovah witness will go through the bible and point out scripture that say Jesus was a man. Mormon go through the bible and point to the scriptures that Jesus was God.
You can go through the bible and point out every verse that says Jesus was a man and it confirms what christian theolgy says.
Yahweh and Allah are not the same God. Christian theology says Allah is a false god. Allah had no son, Yahweh did.
The dead sea scrolls are dated 200 B.C. to 68 C.E./A.D. The dead sea scolls contain all the books of the old testament except for the book of esther. The dead sea scrolls confirm the accuracy of the old testament.
Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."
Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
I can give many verves that confirm Jesus is God. The bible tells us that Jesus is God, The Holy Spirit is God, and The Father is God. The Bible says God is one.
Jehovah witness, Mormon, Unification Penticostals try to explain God and create false doctrines. Christianity does not try to change the bible to create a theolgy. Christianity use the term Trinity to explain what the bible say. ------------- 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 16 December 2009 at 8:23pm
Oneway, you are right I don't understand what Christians believe. But you know I don't have the fault, Christians themselves don't understand it neither, at least that's what has been my observation all along! And how can someone be right when they say God came on earth as a man. If its a man its not God, if its God its not a man or anything else. How can some be right that says God died! Don't you know why God is God, because God does not die, nor was God born. These are not religious but just common sense questions not rocket science my friend. Take the path of simple, clear, and true wisdom. God is not born, nor God dies. And God don't share godhead with any of His Creation. And all that there is other than God the Creator, is God's Creation. Jesus was born , he was a man, a prophet of God, a servant of God, a creation of God. Creation and Creator are not equal, how hard is that to get? By the way, you are invited to take the path of logic, reasoning and truth only to benefit your own self into the light! or....you choose your destiny. If its not based on truth logic and common sense don't expect much of it, as you would do here (in this life). Take Care and may God, the Forgiving and Mercyful forgive us our mistakes. I invite you to read Quran, even if you say you have. Read it again after purifying yourself, and its simple truth will reveal and touch your senses, mind and heart. And don't let that light evaporate away from you due to imposed feeling. Absorb it and it will bring peace to you. Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |
Posted By: OneWay
Date Posted: 17 December 2009 at 1:27pm
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Honeto,
If I ask you do you believe Allah is present in Mecca. If I then ask you is Allah present in at all the mosques when muslims are praying. If your answer is yes, could you please explain how this is possible if Allah is one.
No one can comprehend God. If you could understant God, you would be God. In all eternity we will never comprehend God.
You said "Don't you know why God is God, because God does not die, nor was God born." According to you, their are limits to what Allah can do. According to the Bible, nothing is imposible for God.
------------- 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, |
Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 20 December 2009 at 2:40pm
If the Dead Sea Scrolls are so accurate, can you please explain why one of the scrolls contains a noncanonical psalm? http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/Library/psalms.html - Scroll 11QPs contains a psalm which is not found in the official canon. Where did it come from then? Concerning Psalm 110, it has been interpreted in different ways by Jews. None of the interpretations believes that the "lord" in the psalm is the Messiah. The Targum actually state that the psalm is speaking of David (pbuh). The Talmud, on the other hand, states that it is referring to Abraham (pbuh). The Gospel of Matthew was the first text to claim that it referred to the Messiah. That is not surprising since it tries very hard to interpret the Old Testament in the light of Christian theology. ------------- Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162) |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 21 December 2009 at 8:02pm
Oneway, you just showed how much understanding you have about Islam. God is the Creator of All, a tiny microscopic creature to billions years apart galaxies. You don't seem to comprehend that! God is not confined to one place as you naively demonstrated in your example above. Our abilities are limited, and God is not expecting anything more than what we are not capable of demonstrating. And no one has claimed here to know God in the sense you are suggesting. We are expected to know God in according to our capacity. We are smart when it comes to money and material, and play dumb when it comes to God! I am not putting limits to what God is capable of, as you are saying. I actually put it in simple words. God is Creator, everything other than God is His Creation. If you draw a line and put Creator on one side and the rest on the other side, you will safe yourself from a lot of trouble my friend. It is people like you who say why God cannot come on earth as a monkey? why God cannot come on earth as an elephant? Why you disagree with them and expect to be agreed with when you make a similar claim that God comes as one of his created being? Its not rocket science, nor too much for a human brain to handle, simple question. Using capabilities given by our maker it is not hard to figure out right from wrong unless one has other motifs and is a disbeliever in God, truth and God's accountability, who knows everything we do, and everything we think and intend! Only God is God. What is created or born is not God, simple as that. 3:59 (Y. Ali) The similitude of jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |