The will of God in the bible and in islam
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Topic: The will of God in the bible and in islam
Posted By: Community
Subject: The will of God in the bible and in islam
Date Posted: 01 July 2005 at 4:28pm
"Thy kingdom come Thy will be done, on earth as is in heaven". Those who are in heaven are submitted to His will, the angels are submitted to His will. We are put here on earth and we have been given time to take a road to Allah. Implementing the commands of the book, doing what He likes for us and leaving what He dislikes with the intention of gaining the peace with Him, this is the road to The House of Peace which is with Him.
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6:127 For them will be the home of peace in the presence of their Lord: He will be their protector/guardian friend because of that which they used to practise.>
The koran tells us that His ('ibaad Allahi assaleheen) fit slaves/righteous slaves shall inherrit the earth. Those who do not submit to His will, those who do not work to please Him(to gain His peace) lead their ownselves to ruin, literally "just watch and see", because He is The Inheritter(Al Warith), And He is over everything, The Powerful, The Wise, be a witness for Allah and be thankful to Him, only the disbelievers are ungrateful. And to Allah, belongs ALL power.
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21:105 Before this We wrote in the Psalms, after the Message (given to Moses): My servants the righteous,(the fit) shall inherit the earth." >
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Laa ilaaha illaa Huwa, Al Azeez ul Hakeem,
There is no god but He, The Mighty, The Wise.
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Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 02 July 2005 at 12:46am
Allah is also the most merciful!
He gives each of us abundant oppourtunity for personal growth and developement.
The foundations which are how to live a life in Islam is a life of personal Jihad with these key components which are found as a basis for all religions; these components are Education, Counseling, Consultation and Prayer with Living Prayers like guiding someone to training so they may feed their family or funding the training. As well there are the components of giving in charity and making Hajj (Pilgrimage) though I believe there are levels of Hajj which are important also like making a pilgrimage to ones Self, ones Family, ones Friends, ones Community, ones Nation, Ones World and to other places of Spiritual Significance which could be any place you may make Mention of Allah and Glorify him.
I believe it is true we should be servants of Allah and do His Bidding which is not to be confused with that of Mankind.
Also I caution anyone ready to pass judgement on another for the way they live their lives.
Though of course some things are unacceptable.
I find great hope in the World and the People and I believe we can rise above our animal nature and dignify the creation of our species with knowledgeable, educated, trained and counseled cooperation and consultation to solve all the Worlds problems great and small together as One People, One Spirit.
We have little time to waste as the natural world is faltering as I speak and sharing from the bounty Allah has given us may offer a chance to build bridges and open lines of communications so that there is no one who fears anyone except Allah, which is the way it should be.
May Allah Bless us all.
Salam Alaikoam
Anne Marie Elderkin-Habibi
------------- Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 1:44am
Sad, but half the time you just sound like a computer or a robot. What are you trying to say here?
Normally I would not respond to someone who is without a real name? You are an out and out fraud. You are desecrating the Koran by abusing its ayaats for reasons best known only to you and you alone.
I am going to complain to the Moderators about this form of arrogant desecration of the Koran.
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Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 10:15am
my opinion of the war in Iraq, is that all that matters to you? If what you hear and see on the news makes you afraid or fear already became anger, then i suggest to you get yourself out of the equation, i mean take yourself out of the situation, leave the trial and stop reacting to it, the sad thing with muslims nowadays is that since the TV and internet came into their lives they became more and more septable, they react to things instead of living right and making others react to them. The only thing it does is make people fired up, and it would be a shame if you get so fired up that you would put yourself in a bad situation and maybe even get yourself killed fighting against that which you have been made to believe by the media, just because you got so angry because of the information you CHOSE to follow. Remember the verse when Moses stood before the sourcerers of the Pharao, 7:116 Said Moses: "Throw ye (first)." So when they threw, they bewitched the eyes of the people, and struck terror into them: and they came with a great (feat of) magic. We inspired to Moses: "Throw (now) thy rod":and behold! it swallows up straight away all the falsehoods which they fake! Thus truth was confirmed, and all that they did was made of no effect. Chapter 7 al a'raaf the high places.
If those people did not look, their eyes would not have been bewitched and they would not have become so afraid. The lesson i discovered in this verse was right after sept.11 when in the west people were made very affraid by what they saw, and they started looking at muslims differently and acting differently towards them, and unfortunatly muslims watched the news too, so they got affraid too because of the implication the news had on the society, and they started reacting too, sometimes angerly and this was seen as a confirmation to what people were seeing about muslims on the news. Eventually it caused people not even talking to muslims anymore, thinking they already know them. This whole situation would have been different if muslims did not watch TV and the news, because their faces would not change the next day because of the news (no anger) because they would not know it, and people would have acted differently because of the muslims not reacting, you would hear muslims say (hey what's going on with you what happened?) a whole different talk would evolve. Basically muslims should not fear anything or anyone except Allah, fearing something or someone else then Him leads to injustice. And the TV news and other sources....what's the point of watching it? if something is really important, Allah will cause it to reach you. Or do you really think that if you do not watch the news anymore something might sneak up on you? Allah is the best protector and He is over everything powerful, so fear Him alone because in faith in Him is the only safety.
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Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 1:57pm
wa alaikum asalaam warahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh,
and upon you is The Peace and the mercy of Allah and His blessings
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 05 July 2005 at 2:55pm
> my opinion of the war in Iraq, is that all that matters to you?
No, not really.
I laugh at your claim that you hold some �opinion� on Iraq invasion or occupation. You just follow the Neo-Con script and with an absolutely lame apology.
I just have utter disgust for the way you weave Koranic Ayaat into your shameless pathetic explanations and justifications and the way you ask us to take it all lying down. The way you mask your real identity behind a page from the Koran.
That's all.
Why should I be afraid when the Freedom Fighters hold an upper hand against your pathetic criminal military, both, in Afghanistan and Iraq.
You should be afraid because you won�t be able to recruit any Muslims for the U S military and for the loss of all those dollars in commissions.
Could you please show me an ayat that says "just lie down on the floor and wait for the orders from Pentagon on how to behave and conduct yourself". When invaded just don't fire back if its the Americans or the Israelis!!
Ask Joyia what Pathaans do to the likes of you.
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Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 06 July 2005 at 9:26am
Just ask history wat muslims did to Pathaans like you.
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Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 06 July 2005 at 9:42am
You say Imperialism but it is not, They went there and got rid of Saddam and his system of rule, which was opressive, and let the Iraqi's choose their leaders, the "Freedom? Fighters" as you call them, fight for Saddam's old opressive Baath party, or some other opressive view, they tried to bomb the people into not voting, their own people, the fact that you chose the word freedom fighters for these brutes shows that you do not understand the situation, or what freedom of choice means, you fell for some socialistic or anarchistic propaganda, probebly because you have that alot in....Spain.
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 06 July 2005 at 3:53pm
If you had a mere shadow of knowledge of history, you would have known that the Pathaan (initially "Petaan") came into being only since the Muslim arrival in Central Asia. And, we all know what the Pathaans (alhamdo lillah all Muslims) have been since doing to invaders.
Forget about history. Just ask some of your contacts in the Pentagon what has been happening to the Americans just since last week.
Give us something fresh about the Iraq invasion and occupation. You are parroting a very stale Neo-Con line which does not hold any longer. It's best to change your script specially when even your president has accepted that it's not just some Saddamists - "People just do not like to be occupied".
So, when something doesn't go with the American interests it becomes "propoganda", sorry, I mean socialist propoganda.
You expect us to take you for real when you hide behind a page from the Koran and a nameless profile???
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Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 06 July 2005 at 10:36pm
as for hiding behind a page from the koran, i hope Allah will protect me with His words from the evil of men and jinn. I picked that Avatar because i assumed it would be a picture of an old fashioned koran, with not so much decoration but just the actual writing or cover. As for me having a "nameless profile" i am not used to give my name and information to the public, why this is you may ask, i guess i apreciate my privacy for now. Allah knows best, maybe you will know my name one day, may Allah make it for a good reason and for a good cause, for both you and me.
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 07 July 2005 at 6:25am
You are right. I have known quite a few agents like you. They always prefer to operate in darkness and without any identity. Good luck to you, but your Master's imperialistic designs seem to have got stuck somehow.
You are just a munafiq and that too with a very low intake of history and much less of Current Events.
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 19 July 2005 at 5:19pm
Community wrote:
You say Imperialism but it is not, They went
there and got rid of Saddam and his system of rule, which was
opressive, and let the Iraqi's choose their leaders, the "Freedom?
Fighters" as you call them, fight for Saddam's old opressive
Baath party, or some other opressive view, they tried to bomb the
people into not voting, their own people, the fact that you chose the
word freedom fighters for these brutes shows that you do not understand
the situation, or what freedom of choice means, you fell for some
socialistic or anarchistic propaganda, probebly because you have that
alot in....Spain. |
But you understand the situation? Obviously you dont, because it is
NOTHING but imperialism. And their weasel words just prove it.
"We have been attacked by osama bin laden but unfortunally we cant find
him, so we are going to Iraq because him and saddam are best freinds,
and have like partys together and stuff.."
The whole world, or rather those who do their homework, knew that the
mujahideen was a driving force in the rebel force against saddam in the
first gulf war. The deal was that the americans came to aid...wich they
didnt, and saddam naturally brutally slaughered and murdered all of
them. Belive it or not, but this made them angry (those left) and
suspicious of America and their motives.
"Well...what do you know, they werent freinds and osama wasnt there
having a party and stuff, so its because he has biochemical weapons,
and he cant have those, only we can have those" (and besides...YOU
f**kING GAVE THEM TO HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE. and then he used it on the
kurds, but thats history by now)
"Well...he didnt have gas or anything, but we know he has nukes"
(because we oversaw the project and provided him with shells and
equipment to enrich uranium)
"Oh well what do ya know...no nukes, but we know he has those WMD's
(now they got unspecific, WMD is ant weapon capable of destruction,
incl, or limited to the destruction of life on a large scale)
and we cant let him have those"
"uhm...well we didnt find anything but dust, but we all know he is a bad man, so we need to remove him"
yes saddam is a bad man, like many other dictators woldwide. But its a
known fact he hasnt posed a threat to anyone (least us) in 12 years,
and if you dont like him. Why did CIA support his initial election
campaign with money. Why did we trade with him through the 80'�s
and start of the 90's, he was a bad man back then aswell. And why didnt
you just remove him once and for all in the first gulf inferno, rather
than putting the poor iraqis through 10 years of sanctions that killed
nearly everybody else in Iraq but saddam and his own.
And thats just the tip of the iceberg. And if you belive for one minute
that it was a fair democratic election with people from THEIR OWN
people... here is what i think of you
Im sorry but your neo con propaganda, fall on def ears here.
Peace
Noah
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 19 July 2005 at 5:22pm
Oh yeah and lets not forget Bush giving it as standup comedian when confronted by the fact that they found ZERO NOTHING in Iraq.
"well...no weapons here, how about over there" .
Only a complete heartless, retarded, bastard, facist, nazi, murderous
screwwball like Bush, would EVER joke about the fact that they just
killed 10'000's .....for nothing!
f**kings
Noah
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