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Topic: Sufi Remote Healing ?
Posted By: astroman
Subject: Sufi Remote Healing ?
Date Posted: 21 November 2008 at 6:46am
Assalamualaikum

 I wish to get some links to genuine sufi remote healers. I wish to know more of their activities and exchange matters of interests. Your help is greatly appreciated.

salam



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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 21 November 2008 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:

Assalamualaikum

 I wish to get some links to genuine sufi remote healers. I wish to know more of their activities and exchange matters of interests. Your help is greatly appreciated.

salam


As soon as a group of muslims identify themselves with a special name (such as the one you have mentioned) to separate themselves from majority of Muslims, or at least from the way of the prophet Sallallahu alaihi wasallam, sahaba, and salaf, this group becomes very likely astray from the aqeedah and practice of the people of the sunnah and jama'ah.

Moreover Sufis employ numerology and make the patient to wear charms and amulets which are unislamic acts.

Whereas even wearing Qur'aanic verses for healing contradicts the Prophetic way of curing sickness through the means of Qur'aan.

Imaam Muslim (rahimahullah) records the following Hadeeth under the chapter, 'Curing of the Patient with the recitation of Mu'awwidhatan.'

Aaishah (radhi allahu anha) reported that when the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) fell ill, he recited over his body Mu'awwidhatan (Soorah al-Falaq and Soorah an-Nas) and blew over him and when his sickness was intensified, I used to recite over him, and rub him with his hand with the hope that it was more blessed. [Saheeh Muslim vol: 3, no: 5440]

So, the correct way is to recite Qur'aanic verses and supplications mentioned in the Sunnah and blow by mouth on the sick. This practice is known as 'Ruqya', and is proved from a number of authentic narrations.

"Some Companions of the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) went on a journey until they reached some of the Arab tribes (at night). The chief of that tribe was bitten by a snake (or stung by a scorpion) and nothing could cure him. One of the Sahabah recited Soorah Al-Faatihah and breathed hard over the chief, who recovered as if he was released from a chain, stood up and started walking, showing no signs of sickness.

When Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) was informed about the incident, he approved of it and asked: "How did you know that Soorah Al-Faatihah can be recited as a Ruqyah?" [Saheeh al-Bukharee (vol: 3, no: 476)]


This is the meaning of the verse, where Allah says:

"We send down the Qur'aan that which is healing and a mercy for the believer, but it does not increase the wrongdoers except in loss." [Soorah al-Isra (17): 82]



Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 21 November 2008 at 11:00pm

What is remote healing?

Remote healing is a method of healing from a distance with no physical intervention required.

A quack is someone who pretends to be something which he is not, or one who is not able to do what he claims to do, especially if he takes money for this pretense. *

*Step 2. Pay remote healing fee $270 for 3 day remote healing (or only $420 for 6 day remote healing and two bonus Yin-Yang Healing Tea) . We accept check, money order, Visa and MasterCard. Corporate or non-US-based credit cards will be charged 1.37% additional processing fee paid to Visa or MasterCard companies. There is a $25 processing fee for each bounced check.

 

 

 



Posted By: astroman
Date Posted: 21 November 2008 at 11:15pm
Assalamualaikum

Dear brother Abosait

 I quote your statement - " Moreover Sufis employ numerology and make the patient to wear charms and amulets which are unislamic acts."

I believe, sheikh, you must have an in-depth study on the sufis and I respect you for that. I wish if you can give reference to  sites of sufi groups that I can read more of their activities as part of my studies on their beliefs and practices which contains and confirms your above statements. It is interesting to know more, may be  I felt great differences of sufi as practices in India compared to Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, UAE and Turkey etc - otherwise sufi beliefs and knowledge is much greater (much Godly centered). Sheikh, I beg your pardon if I am incorrect.

Salam
Astroman

P/s - I have read
"The Book of Sufi Healing"  by Hakim G. M. Chishti and I found it very interesting. I Recommend you to read this book and your comments. Salam




Posted By: astroman
Date Posted: 21 November 2008 at 11:21pm
Asslamualaikum

Dear Abuayisha

Thanks for your explanation
but I wish to know more of sufi remote healing and sites reference if you have.

salam


Posted By: nothing
Date Posted: 22 November 2008 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:

Assalamualaikum

 I wish to get some links to genuine sufi remote healers. I wish to know more of their activities and exchange matters of interests. Your help is greatly appreciated.

salam
 
I have never heard the term sufi remote healers at all. But maybe you can clarify as to what illness is this all about. Is it physicall illness, a psychological illness, or is it spiritual?
 
Hopefully someone can point it to you to the right address once it is clarified.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 22 November 2008 at 6:35pm
Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:

Assalamualaikum

Dear brother Abosait

 I quote your statement - " Moreover Sufis employ numerology and make the patient to wear charms and amulets which are unislamic acts."

..........................


Wa alaikum assalam wa Rahmatullah.

That was what I said commenting on Sufi healing.

Sufism offers its followers a life carefree from fighting (Jihad), politics, the initiative to seek knowledge and teach it, the work of Da'wah, and allows a person to indulge in worldly activities such as music, magic, and other prohibited acts.

The leader of the Naqshibandi Tareeqa in America, was quoted in the media as saying the following:

 "You have to be both material and spiritual. Sufis can give people joy in their spiritual life. Well, Madonna is giving people a kind of joy in their material life... You cannot say she is wrong. Sufis don't object and criticise - they are accepting everything. That's why, when my children are looking at Madonna on MTV, I say, 'Let me come and look also!'"




Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 22 November 2008 at 6:41pm
Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:



.....................It is interesting to know more, may be  I felt great differences of sufi as practices in India compared to Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, UAE and Turkey etc -.......................


By examining the mystic doctrines of Christianity, Hinduism, Taoism and other religions, it becomes clear how closer Sufism is to these religions than to Islam.

In fact, Sufism is never characterised under "Islam" in any system of catalogue, but rather under 'Mysticism'.

Sharda in his book �Sufi Thought� highlights these unsurprising similarities by stating that:

"After the fall of Muslim orthodoxy from power at the centre of India for about a century, due to the invasion of Timur, the Sufi became free from the control of the Muslim orthodoxy and consorted with Hindu saints, who influenced them to an amazing extent. The Sufi adopted Monism and wifely devotion from the Vaishnava Vedantic school and Bhakti and Yogic practices from the Vaishnava Vedantic school. By that time, the popularity of the Vedantic pantheism among the Sufis had reached its zenith."

The Sufi doctrine of all religions being acceptable before Allah is derived from the Mystical beliefs of other religions, and not Islam, for Allah says: "Truly, the religion in the Sight of Allah is Islam..." [2: 19]




Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 22 November 2008 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:



..................otherwise sufi beliefs and knowledge is much greater (much Godly centered). Sheikh, I beg your pardon if I am incorrect........................

The Sufi's have become such an integral part of the lives of so many Muslims that Muslims are finding it difficult to accept that the Sufi path is wrong, and accuse anyone who pinpoints the errors of Sufism as an extremist or a follower of some 'deviant' sect.

Sufism calls to human emotions rather than intellect and Islamic evidence. For example, poetry and music were the most popular form during the past hundreds of years, whereby "Sufi ideas permeated the hearts of all those who hearkened to poetry." (Encyclopaedia Britannica)

Today, Sufism is followed by masses of people who desire to leave behind the complexities of this world, instead of building the ability to challenge it. Sufism provides the perfect escape, where its followers can meditate instead of thinking about the other Muslims who are suffering, let alone help them.

Sufism is so similar to other religions, and very tolerant of them, that a change to Sufism does not involve a complete change of life, as Islam requires. So Buddhists, Sikhs, Taoists and mystic Jews and Christians looking for an easy alternative find solace in Sufism which perhaps only adds another dimension to their previous way of life, rather than uprooting it and starting afresh.

Any group which manages to gain the support of an anti-Islamic Government must be suspicious. During the reign of the tyrant Mustafa Kemal, under whose leadership thousands of scholars were executed and Islamic practices banned, special permission was granted by the Turkish government in 1954 allowing the Mawlawi dervishes of Konya to perform their ritual dances. In fact, they have become a regular attraction nowadays, performing around the world along with their Turkish Mystical Music State Ensemble.




Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 23 November 2008 at 12:38am
Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:

Assalamualaikum

 I wish to get some links to genuine sufi remote healers. I wish to know more of their activities and exchange matters of interests. Your help is greatly appreciated.

salam
 
Waalaikumussalam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
 
To many who do not understand sufism, they tend to see it as a deviation of Islam. However only those who had ever experience it will understand that it is the heart of Islam. Muhammad salallahualaihiwassalam taught Aqidah (the Islamic faith), everything that is essential to the purity of the soul or Fitrah in Makkah for 13 years. Most of the ayahs of the Quran was sent down in Makkah were about Aqidah, while most ayahs that were sent at Madinah were ayahs on Shariah.
 
The hikmah behind these is that, once the Aqidah of the ummah is strong, once the reality of Allah is felt in deep in their souls, whatever that Allah command or whatever laws that Allah send down, will be accepted with pleasure.
 
From one of my favourite sufi website - http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/sufism.htm - http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/sufism.htm

Note:  Tasawwuf, Tazk�yah al Nafs, Tasf�yyah al Qalb, Irf�n, Sufism, Isl�mic Mysticism, Esoteric or Inner Dimension of Isl�m, Purification of the Heart/Self/Soul and more recently Isl�mic or Sufic Psychology are used inter-changeably.

Tasawwuf is an acronym made up of the four consonant letters: t, s, w, and f.
t stands for tawbah, repentance
s stands for safa, purity, peace and joy
w stands for wilayah, the sanctity of the lovers and friends of Allah
f stands for fana, the annihilation of self into the nothingness.

from 'The Secret of Secrets' by Hadhrat Abdul Qadir Jilani (raa)
translated by Sheikh Tosun Bayrak al Jerrahi al Halveti

Astroman,

I think I understand what you mean by sufi remote healers. There are many that are available over the net. However nothing is like having direct contact with the sheikhs themselves. If distance does not permits the mureed to present infront of the sheikh, then perhaps the best way is by remote sufi healers. I had come across one sufi site that accepted Mureed in this way, but I cannot remember which one was that.
Tariqah Naqshabandi is one of the most popular Tariqah of Sufism. They have many branches all over the world. Perhaps you can find one your own.
Here is one that I found http://www.sheiknazim2.com/index.html - http://www.sheiknazim2.com/index.html .
 
A quote from great sufis -
Know yourself before you know Allah.
When I seek Allah, I found myself, When I seek myself, I found Allah.
 
Salam.
 
 


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 23 November 2008 at 12:57am

"Today, Sufism is followed by masses of people who desire to leave behind the complexities of this world, instead of building the ability to challenge it. Sufism provides the perfect escape, where its followers can meditate instead of thinking about the other Muslims who are suffering, let alone help them. "

Assalamualaikum Abosait.

In regards to the above bold red words of yours, I wish to disagree with you. As I mentioned before, sufism is the core of Islamic belief. It is to purify the soul from all kinds of unseen illness like, anger, ujub, riya, kibr, tyranny, envy, miserliness, coward, all the blemishes of the nafs that can be found here - http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/blemishes_of_nafs.htm - http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/blemishes_of_nafs.htm  .
Our soul is like a mirror. We cannot see our reflection if the mirror is dirty. Hence by cleansing ourselves from these blemishes, will we be able to see our true selfs. It is not easy, but it is also not impossible. Our body will deteriorate in the grave when we die, however our souls will live on eternally. This is the soul that need to be purified and need to be cleansed here, now, in this world, before it is too late.
 
Or perhaps  you should read this link too about In the World But Not of It http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/in_the_world_but_not_of_it.htm - http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/in_the_world_but_not_of_it.htm


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: astroman
Date Posted: 23 November 2008 at 5:54am
Assalamualaikum Brother Abosait

I am confused. I don't mean to be rude - You are not helping but instead  giving me you opinions and quoting from non-islamic media to quote =""Sufi ideas permeated the hearts of all
those who hearkened to poetry." (Encyclopaedia Britannica) - what does EB know about Sufism or islamic knowledge for that matter. To learn more about Christ, people go the the Christian Authority, to learn Islam, people go the Islamic Authority - at least you are more confident that you are properly guided.

Below must be your opinions ? to quote your statement -


(1) " file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CZAMHARI%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml - - The Sufi doctrine of all religions being acceptable before Allah is derived from the Mystical beliefs of other religions, and not Islam"

file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CZAMHARI%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml - - -

file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CZAMHARI%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml - - (2) "By examining the mystic doctrines of Christianity, Hinduism, Taoism and other religions, it becomes clear how closer Sufism is to these religions than to Islam."
- (have you sincerely examine ?- please prove it)

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- - This is a learning process and we need proper guidance and authentic information.
file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CZAMHARI%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml - -


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 24 November 2008 at 12:12am
For anyone who is looking to learn of sufism, there's an extensive thread in: "Discussion - Isam for non muslims"
As for Sufi remote healing, I'm not sure of that. Perhaps it is a good idea to learn about remote healing first before seeking or applying it to sufism.
 
 
Link to the thread:
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8002 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8002


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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 24 November 2008 at 9:51am

 

Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:

Assalamualaikum Brother Abosait

...................You are not helping but instead  giving me you opinions and quoting from non-islamic media �������

Wa alaikum assalaam wa Rahmatullah.

Hope the (translation of the meaning ) following verse is self explanatory.

"By Al-`Asr (the time). Verily! Man is in loss, Except those who believe (in Islaamic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, and recommend one another to the truth [i.e. order one another to perform all kinds of good deeds (Al-Ma`roof المعروف) which Allaah has ordained, and abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds (Al-Munkar المنكر) which Allaah has forbidden], and recommend one another to patience (for the sufferings, harms, and injuries which one may encounter in Allaah's Cause during preaching His religion of Islaamic Monotheism or Jihaad, etc.)." [Al-Qur'aan, Al-`Asr (103): 1-3]





Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 24 November 2008 at 9:57am

Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:

����..- what does EB know about Sufism or islamic knowledge for that matter. ����������., to learn Islam, people go the Islamic Authority ���������

Ok brother. Let us take the example of one of the Sufi gruoups called the Naqshbandis. They, while wearing the cloak of Islaam, are striving to destroy it from within, in a vain attempt to extinguish the light of Islaam and divert the Muslims from the reality of the religion.

Some of the serious issues of the group�s beliefs and teachings which are directly in conflict with the pure Islaamic teachings as revealed in the Glorious Qur�aan and authentic Sunnah are mentioned below.

What Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur�aan and what His truthful Messenger Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) has said in the authentic Ahadith, are quoted first (Only the translation of the meanings with verse number/hadith no., name of the Sahih etc. are given)  and then the group�s beliefs or position vis-a-vis the same issue, taken from their own publications printed by �Arafat Publishing House� are quoted.

1. THE ISLAAMIC BELIEF: Allaah is the Only Truth

Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur�aan -

"That is because Allaah - He is the Truth and it is He who gives life to dead." (Qur�aan, Chapter 22, Verse 6)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Aba Yazid al-Bistami is the Truth

On page 15 of the book �The Naqshbandi Way it reads -

"Whoever recites this Ayah even a single time will attain a high rank and a great position, � he will get what the Prophets and saints could not get, and will arrive at the stage of Aba Yazid al-Bistami, the Imam of the order who said: "I am the Truth (al-Haqq)."

The above statement �I am the Truth� - is a clear example of Shirk (association) in the aspect of the Names and Attributes of Allaah, since Al-Haqq in the definite form, is one of Allaah�s unique attributes and is not shared by any created being or thing unless preceded by the prefix `Abd meaning "Slave of" or "Servant of". (In fact the Mystic al-Hallaaj was publicly executed as an apostate for daring to openly claim divinity in his infamous pronouncement "Anal-Haqq"- I am the Truth.)

2. THE ISLAAMIC BELIEF: None shares with the command of Allaah

Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur�aan -

"Verily, His (Allaah�s) command, when He intends a thing, is only that he says to it, "Be! And it is!" - (Chapter 36, Verse 82);

and in another place in the Qur�aan, Allaah says =

"They have no protector other than Him (Allaah); nor does He share His command with any person whatsoever." - (18:26)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh shares with the command of Allaah

On page 33 of the book �Mercy Oceans - Part 1�, it reads "The Power of the wali is such

that he only needs to say Kun (be) and that will be."

The above is another example of Shirk (association) in the aspect of the Lordship of Allaah, since the Islaamic principle of the Lordship of Allaah states that no created being can share in God�s attributes and infinite qualities, and any attempt to give the Divine attributes to creation is referred to as Shirk (association), the antithesis of Tawheed (singling out Allaah alone for worship).

3. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: None could attain the Rank of the Prophets or their Companions

The Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) has said in a well known Hadith that,

"The best of people are those living in my generation, and then those who will follow them, and then those who will follow the latter�"

(Saheeh Bukhaaree, Vol 5, Hadith #3, Arabic-English Trans.)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Certain people could attain a Rank higher than the Prophets and their Companions.

On page 1 of the book �The Naqshbandi Way it reads,

"Our master the Sheikh says that a person who manages to act on these principles in our times will achieve what earlier generations did not achieve � he who attains an exalted stage and a great rank, such a rank which the Prophets themselves and the companions were unable to attain."

On page 4 of the book �the Naqshbandi Way� it reads,

"Especially those who hold to the Prophet�s Sunnah, will attain special stations that weren�t opened to earlier people - not even to the Prophet�s companions.�

The deviant claim of attaining the rank which the Prophets could not is a major deception of the Naqshbandiya as any Muslim with even the basic knowledge of Islaam will confirm. As regards the companions (May Allaah be pleased with them all), the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) in a hadith narrated by Anas bin Maalik (Radhiallaahu Anhu) said -

"After me, you will see others given preference to you, so be patient till you meet me."

(Saheeh Bukhaaree, Vol 5., Hadith #137, Arabic-English Trans.)

He (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) also said in reference to his Companions (May Allaah be pleased with them all),

"For by Him in Whose hand is my soul, if you were to spend the like of Uhud or of the mountains in gold, you would not reach their actions." (Saheeh Bukhaaree)

4. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: Allaah is above the heavens

Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur�aan -

"Do you feel secure, that He (Allaah), who is above the heavens, will not cause the earth to sink with you." (Qur�aan, Chapter 67, Verse 16).

And in a long Hadith found in Saheeh Muslim, it is narrated that the companion Mu`awiyah ibn al-Hakam, (Radhiallaahu Anhu) slapped his servant girl who used to tend his sheep, and as a result when to the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) and asked what should be done as an atonement for having slapped her. The Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) replied, "Bring her to me" so Mu`awiyah brought her to the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam). The Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) then asked her, "Where is Allaah?" and she replied "Above the Sky" then the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam ) asked her, "Who am I?" and she replied, "You are Allaah�s Messenger", so the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said, "Free her, for verily she is a true believer." (Saheeh Muslim, Vol 1, Hadith #1094, English Translation)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Allaah is Everywhere

On page 13 of the book Haqiqat ul Haqqani it reads,

"Allaah Almighty is everywhere but specially in the Baitullaah as He has Himself called it the house of Allaah. For it to be called the house of the Lord, the Lord of the house must be in it."

The concept of Allaah being everywhere is not Islaamic as the above Qur�aanic Aayah and the authentic hadith confirm. Indeed if Allaah was everywhere then there would be no need for the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) to go up through the seven skies on the night of Mi`raaj to meet Allaah - he would have been in the direct presence of Allaah in his very own house.

5. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: None has the knowledge of the Last Day except Allaah

Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur�aan,

"Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allaah (alone)." (31:34)

And according to the well known Hadith, where Angel Jibreel (`alaihis salaam) came in the guise of man, we quote the part of the Hadith that is relevant to our matter, after asking about Islaam, Imaan and Ihsaan, Angel Jibreel (`alaihis salaam) asks Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) "then tell me about the hour (meaning the last day)", the Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) replied, "The one questioned about it knows no better than the questioner."

(Saheeh Muslim, vol 1, Hadith #4, English Translation)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh has the knowledge of the Last Day.

In the beginning of page 19 of the book �Mercy Oceans - part one�, it reads -

"These signs have been given us indication that the Last Day is coming is nearly exactly now �we shall witness that great event within two years."

The above book (Mercy Oceans) was published in 1987 and it I almost nine years since its publication, but the last day is still not witnessed. How could it be when indeed Allaah has clearly stated in the Qur�aan,

"Say None in the heavens and the earth knows the unseen except Allaah." (Qur�aan, Chapter 27, Verse 65)

6. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: Believers and disbelievers are not equal.

Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur�aan - the likeness of the two parties (disbelievers and believers) is as the blind and the deaf and the seer and the hearer. Are they equal when compared? Will you not then take heed?" (Qur�aan, Chapter 11, Verse 24)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Believers and disbelievers are equal

On page 12 of the book �the Naqshbandi Way, it reads ,

"Allaah does not distinguish between the non-believer and the faasiq (wrong doer) or between a believer and a Muslim. In fact they are all equal to him."

Furthermore, on page 16 of the same book it reads, "Allaah does not distinguish between a kaafir or a hypocrite or between a saint and a Prophet."

7. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: No intermediary between Allaah and Man

Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur�aan,

"And when My servants ask you (O Muhammad) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them in knowledge), I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me." (Qur�aan, Chapter 2, Verse 186)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh is intermediary between Allaah and Man

On page 23 of the book Haqiqat ul Haqqani it reads,

"If there wasn�t Mowlana Sheikh Nazim between us and Seyyidina Mahdi (Alai), or between us and the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Sal), or between us and Allaah Almighty, no one would be able to reach to Divine knowledge� this is because Mowlana Sheikh Nazim is the intermediary between us and these stations."

[It should be known that the practice and belief of having an intermediary between man and God is a pagan practice, borrowed directly from other religions like Christianity which believes the Pastor or the church priest to be an intermeidary between man and God and hence confession of one�s sins is done to them and not directly to God.

8. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: No spokesman between Allaah and Man on the Day of Judgment.

Adi bin Hatim (radhiallaahu `anhu) reported that the Messenger (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said,

"There is none of you but his Lord will certainly talk to with him without any Spokesman between him and his Lord."

(Sunan Ibn Maajah, Vol 1, Hadith #185, English Translation)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh will be a spokesman between Man and Allaah on the Day of Judgment

On page 11 of the book Haqiqat ul Haqqani it reads,

"When a person takes Bayyat from Mowlana, Mowlana will be with that person. Even until he reaches in front of Allaah Almighty will Mowlana be with him, when Allaah Almighty questions this person Mowlana shall answer all questions instead of him."

9. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: (For anything to happen) it is only what Allaah wills

Once a companion of the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) concluded his statement to the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) with the phrase "It is what Allaah wills and you will." The Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) immediately corrected him saying - �Are you making me an equal with Allaah? Say it is what Allaah alone wills.� (Collected by Ahmad - Arabic)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: It is what Allaah and the saint wills.

On page 23 of the book "Quthub us Sailan" which is written by the local head of the group, it reads

"One morning in the newspapers, I read that the wakf board had taken over the Dewatagaha Mosque seeking the chief trustee at the time, chairman of the welfare committee and chief trustee, M.I.M. Shaukat came to my place a couple of days later to find out what he could do in that matter as chief trustee, I told him that if it was the will of Allaah and the saint, well nothing could be done on his part."

10. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: Allaah is in charge of creation.

Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur�aan -

"And Allaah is a Wakil (Guardian) over all things." (Qur�aan, Chapter 11, Verse 12)

And in another place, Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says,

"He (Allaah) arranges (every) affair from the heavens to the earth." (Qur�aan, Chapter 32, Verse 3)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh is in charge of creation

On page 15 of the book �Haqiqat ul Haqqani� it reads,

"Every thing that you know of is under the spiritual control of the Sultan al Awliya, he is the one who is in charge of all mankind in this universe, he is also in charge of all the world of Jinns and Angels."

Again the above belief is one of Shirk (association) in the aspect of the Lordship of Allaah, as has been explained before.

11. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: None can change a bad situation except Allaah

Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur�aan,

"And if Allaah touches you with harm, none can remove it but He�" (Qur�aan, Chapter 6, verse 17)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh can change a bad situation.

On page 26 of the book �Haqiqat ul Haqqani� in the 2nd paragraph it reads,

"If a bad situation is to come to a mureed of his, Sheikh has the power to change it."

12. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: None can make anyone enter paradise or save from hell, except Allaah.

The Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said in an authentic Hadith -

"O People of Quraysh, secure deliverance from Allaah (by doing good deeds). I cannot help you at all against Allaah. O sons of Abdul-Muttalib, I cannot help you at all against Allaah; O (my uncle) Abbas ibn Abdul-Muttalib, O (my aunt) Safeeyah, I cannot help you at all against Allaah; O Faatimah, daughter of Muhammad, ask me whatever you like, but I have nothing which can help you against Allaah."

(Saheeh Muslim, Vol 1, Hadith #402, English Translation)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh can make one enter paradise and save one from hell.

On page 30 of the book Haqiqat ul Haqqani, in the 3rd paragraph, it reads -

"Sheikh will not allow any of his mureeds to enter hell, � Sheikh Nazim will make all the followers to enter into this paradise."

13. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: The Angel of death will take the soul of the dying.

Allaah (Subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says in the Qur�aan,

"Say the Angel of death, who is set over you, will take your souls, then you shall be brought to your Lord." (Qur�aan, 32:11)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh will take the soul of the dying

On page 35 of the book �Haqiqat ul Haqqani� under the heading �No questioning in the grave�, it reads -

"As for anyone who is related to Mowlana Sheikh Nazim as a mureed, the Angel of Death Israel (Alai) will have nothing to do with him, the soul of this mureed at the time of his death will be taken by Mowlana Sheikh Nazim, he shall look at the mureed and immediately the soul of that mureed will leave his body. There is nothing for either the Angel of death or for the Angels of the grave to do with the mureeds of Sheikh Nazim."

14. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: No hidden knowledge in Islaam, everything is given in the Qur�aan and Sunnah.

The Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said in an authentic hadith -

"I have not left anything which Allaah ordered you with, except that I have ordered you with it, nor anything that Allaah forbade you, except that I forbade you from it." (Saheeh, al-Baihaqee 7:76, Arabic)

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh has hidden knowledge.

In spite of the above clear hadith, the deviant Naqshbandi claim that there is �secret knowledge� with the Sheikh, for example on page 60-61 of the book �Haqiqat ul Haqqani� in the 3rd paragraph it reads -

"Vast amounts of hidden knowledge have been communicated to his mureeds by Mowlana Sheikh Nazim in this manner. Questions by these mureeds regarding day to day life, or questions relating to religion � and also many other subjects have been answered by Mowlana Sheikh Nazim. When this type of communication has been granted to a mureed, he no longer needs to resort to books to further his knowledge."

15. THE ISLAMIC BELIEF: When Allaah loves a person�

The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said as narrated by Abu Huraira (radhiallaahu `anhu) that,

"�Allaah said�the most beloved things with which my slave comes nearer to Me, is with what I have enjoined upon him, and my slave keeps on coming closer to Me through performing Nawafil (praying or doing extra deeds besides what is obligatory) till I love him, so I become his sense of hearing with which he hears, and his sense of sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he grips�"

(Saheeh Bukhaaree, Vol 8, Hadith 509, Arabic - English Trans)

[The above hadith should not be misinterpreted by the reader. What it simply means is as has been explained by the Scholars of Hadith is that, when Allaah becomes his sense of hearing means the servant will only hear Halaal speech and will keep away from hearing forbidden speech. And regarding sight, then it means he will only see that which is permissible to see and keep away from seeing that which is Haraam and in the case of the hands then it means he will only touch and use his hands in that which is Halaal and will refrain from touching and doing Haraam with it.]

THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Directly contradicts the above hadith.

On page 62 of the book �Haqiqat ul Haqqani� in the last paragraph it reads,

"Certain of the mureeds of Mowlana Sheikh Nazim experience that Mowlana appears within them, when this happens, they are no longer conscious of themselves as themselves, they lose their identity and are conscious of themselves as their Sheikh. They see through Mowlana�s eyes when the look, they hear through Mowlana�s ears when they hear, and they speak Mowlana�s words when they speak.."

16. THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh can be in any place at the same time.

On page 33 of the book �Haqiqat ul Haqqani� it reads,

"Mowlana Sheikh Nazim can also be present in his shape and body in several places at the same time."

Also on page 65 of the same book it reads in the 2nd paragraph,

"Sometimes, mureeds have been transported to other countries and places. For example, they may be transported in a moment to London�some are known to have visited Mecca, Medina, London and Baghdad in moments by the power and the grace of Sheikh Nazim."

THE ISLAMIC POSITION on the above Naqshbandi position

In a Hadith, the Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said,

"There are three types of Jinn, one type flies through the air�" (Transmitted by al-Haakim, Tabaraani and al-Baihaqi, Arabic)

And Allaah says in the Qur�aan,

"And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the masculine among the jinns, but they (jinns) increased them (mankind) in sin and disbelief." (Qur�aan, 72:6)

17. THE NAQSHBANDI BELIEF: Sheikh has two faces.

On page 21 of the book �Haqiqat ul Haqqani� in the first paragraph describing Sheikh Nazim, it reads -

"He (Sheikh) now has a face towards the creatures and a face towards Allaah Almighty, therefore he is with Allaah Almighty all the time!"

THE ISLAMIC POSITION on the above Naqshbandi belief

The Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) rightly said, as reported by the companion Abu Huraira (radhiallaahu `anhu) who said that Allaah�s Messenger (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) said,

"The worst amongst the people is the double faced one."

(Saheeh Muslim, vol 4, Hadith #6300 - English Translation)

Also, the companion Ammaar (radhiallaahu `anhu) reported the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) as saying,

"He who is two faced in this world, will have two tongues of fire on the day of resurrection."

(Sunan Abu Dawud, Vol 3, Hadith #4855 - English Translation)



Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 25 November 2008 at 5:46am
Abosait,
 
Thank you for the lengthy reply.
 
Before I learnt about Sufism, I was also skeptical about it. However after a little knowledge (Ilm) that had been taught to me and had been practised (amal), I gained a little insight, a very little insight, and how wonderful that insight is. But Sufism requires a very descipline, istiqamah, which as I said before is very difficult but not impossible.
 
For those who do not understand Sufism, they will say it is a deviation, but since understanding sufism, I find that all the laws or command of Allah has its wisdom that rarely being taught in Fiqh. Everything seems to make sense.
 
The book that you mentioned above, is not meant for those who has no knowledge Sufism. Sufism is a very high level of Islam that needs a very dedicated, honest, sincere, desciplined person to master. In this field, there is no end to this ilm.
 
Allah in the Quran had stated - 
85. And they ask you (O Muhammad ) concerning the R�h (the Spirit); Say: "The R�h (the Spirit): it is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little."
 
Therefore, Abosait, the knowledge about Alam Ruh is there, can be acquired, but of course only available to the waliyullahs who are considered the warisatul Ambiya.
 
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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 25 November 2008 at 7:20am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:



Therefore, Abosait, the knowledge about Alam Ruh is there, can be acquired, but of course only available to the waliyullahs who are considered the warisatul Ambiya.
 


Dear brother/sister Nur_Ilahi,

Point to be noted here is that in your above quoted statement you have misinterprted the Hadith mentioned below.

Rasul Allah said (sallallahu 'alahi wasallam), �The virtue of the scholar to a worshipper (Aabid) is similar to the virtue of the moon when it is full to the rest of the stars. And verily the scholars are the inheritors of the Prophets. Verily the Prophets did not leave behind dirhams and deenars, but rather they left behind knowledge. Thus whoever takes it, takes it as a bountiful share.� � Authentic, narrated by Abu Dawood, tirmidhi, and Ibn Majah.
On the one hand you admit that very little has been disclosed by Allah about Rooh and on the other hand you claim that "knowledge about Alam Ruh is there, can be acquired, but of course only available to the waliyullah".

Your farfetched claim that waliyullah have knowledge which was not revealed in the Qur'aan and which the Prophet Sallallahu alaihi wasallam did not pass on to the Sahaba is unislamic. Such a belief of the Sufis is one of the major deviations from mainstream Islam.

Allah Subhanahu wa ta'aalaa revealed in the Qur'aan on the day of the Prophet's last sermon that the deen is complete. And you are negating Allah's words by saying that your awliya have knowledge of Ruh which even the Prophet did not have.



Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 25 November 2008 at 7:41am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Assalamualaikum Abosait.

....................sufism is the core of Islamic belief. It is to purify the soul from all kinds of unseen illness like, anger, ujub, riya, kibr, tyranny, envy, miserliness, coward, all the blemishes of the nafs .....................


Wa alaikum assalaam wa Rahmatullah,

The core of Islamic belief is what has been taught to us in the Qur'aan and the Sunnah and not what the Sufis have fabricated centuries after the death of the Prophet and the Sahaba..

And do you mean to say that one should disregard what the Qur'aan and the Sunnah have prescribed as a remidy for 
anger, ujub, riya, kibr, tyranny, envy, miserliness, cowardice, all the blemishes of the nafs and take what your Sufis have fabricated as a remedy?

Or do you want those outside the fold of Islaam to believe in your false claim that the Qur'aan and Sunnah have not shown any method of Purification of self which has necessitated  borrowing those remedies from Hinduism, Budhism, Sikhism and the like in the name of Sufism?





Posted By: astroman
Date Posted: 25 November 2008 at 2:37pm
Abosait,
 
Thank you for the lengthy reply.But doesn't serve much purpose to me. I never dispute what ever in the Al Quran and sunah Rasulallah But I disagree that our learning and knowledge on the  spiritual self cannot be extended beyond what Allah SWT and sunnah Rasulallah given to us BUT of course within the limits, boundaries and guidelines graced by Allah SWT. Spiritually in the matters of the 'abstract' faculty of human 'senses' - our emotions, hindsight/third eyes/marifah, sixth sense, etc what ever we Muslim termed them. How can I explain if I claimed in the name of Allah SWT that at time as I 'wished it to happened' there in front of me a view , visions, live picture ( can never describe it accurately) of events and happening that I desired or wished to know and the dimension has 'hijabs' or 'separators between each dimensions. I found out those who has this abilty have limitations. Many non-believers too has the ability  but seemed that they are limited to the dimensions of shaitan. But a person whom Allah SWT graced with His Ilmu are able to 'views' beyond that ie - the jinn dimension, the ....etc etc etc. What should I called or named these experiences......whom to refer to to know what it is if ones does not have the same experiences or better experiences and knowledge about it!   I dared not venture too far for fearing to be labeled psychopathic. All I  can say is, it is a 0.000000000000001 percent  of the beautiful experiences that I have. Subhanallah. I wish not say more and closed my case.          


I have a feeling that you have a problem with the Nashkabandiah and I even dont know  who they are? If what you say about Nashkabandiah is true, I am with you to condemned them but I must also be careful that if what they practiced NOW is the same as what their founding teacher taught them! In our Islamic history, there are many but small disagreement amongst the four major mazhabs of  Islam and between Sunni and Shiahs. Fortunately we never disagree on the oneness of Al Mighty Allah SWT, Rasulallah and Al Quran - the epicentre and ever-bonding factors  of Islamic faith.



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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 25 November 2008 at 7:28pm
Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:

 
...........I never dispute what ever in the Al Quran and sunah Rasulallah But I disagree that our learning and knowledge on the  spiritual self cannot be extended beyond what Allah SWT and sunnah Rasulallah given to us... ................



If you feel that you learn more about spiritual knowledge/knowledge of deen that what Allah swt and the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam have given us you are disputing the Qur'an and the Sunnah as can be seen from the following verse;


 Al-Ma'idah [5:3] http://mediaserver.hadi.org:8080/ramgen/ra101/raw/ra101_5.rm?start=00:03:36.0&End=00:06:14.4&mode=compact">          
حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةُ وَالْدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللّهِ بِهِ وَالْمُنْخَنِقَةُ وَالْمَوْقُوذَةُ وَالْمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَالنَّطِيحَةُ وَمَا أَكَلَ السَّبُعُ إِلاَّ مَا ذَكَّيْتُمْ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى النُّصُبِ وَأَن تَسْتَقْسِمُواْ بِالأَزْلاَمِ ذَلِكُمْ فِسْقٌ الْيَوْمَ يَئِسَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمْ فَلاَ تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِ الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلاَمَ دِينًا فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ فِي مَخْمَصَةٍ غَيْرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ لِّإِثْمٍ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ


5:3 Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.



Posted By: astroman
Date Posted: 25 November 2008 at 9:45pm
Dear Abosait

sir, I think you have misunderstood my points. Al Quran is as perfect as it is 1429 years ago and I never dispute! but what I want to say to you is that we need to explore further what has been given in the Al Quran. Al Quran gives us the guide lines on spirituality but you have to discover further what  comes with spiritiuality on the aspect of human relationships, behaviour and its effects, etc, etc.which is not been detailed out. AL Quran will not talk to you about biology, chemistry, evloution, engineering, mathematics, nuclear energy etc etc,  in details but there are some guideslines, laws and orders that you have to follow should you go over boards and challenge His Greatness and Authority. You need to explore futher all these knowledge, its applications and how it should benefit you and me. I wish not to comment further. Please pardon me for not able to explain to you in the simplest way.


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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 25 November 2008 at 11:10pm
abosait, have you read the thread for which I gave the link to, up above several posts ago?
If you read the information there, you will see that sufism is the heart of Islam, it is the estoric of islam, without it islam would be just a set of rules and rather rigid. Sufism is what gives islam its spirituality.
 


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Posted By: nothing
Date Posted: 26 November 2008 at 2:23am
abosait, since Islam covers many things therefore it is too demanding to expect every individuals without exception to perform uniformly. One party may suitable for one thing while the other party suiting another thing.
Naturally there are always muslims who possess above average ability. That is an exception.
 
What do you think, make sense?


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 26 November 2008 at 3:21am
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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 26 November 2008 at 3:24am
Originally posted by abosait abosait wrote:

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:



..................................sufism is the heart of Islam, it is the estoric of islam, without it islam would be just a set of rules and rather rigid. .................................


Three fundamentals of Sufism which are innovations not sanctioned by the Qur'an or the Sunnah:

  • - The division of knowledge into exoteric, or manifest, esoteric, or hidden;
  • - The division of Islam into shari'ah (religious sciences) and the sciences of truth; and
  • - the addition to Islam of the Sufi order as the path leading to the truth.


Manifest knowledge and the sciences of jurisprudence, they assert, belong to the theologians and scholars of the general run of ordinary Muslims, whereas the hidden knowledge and the knowledge of truth are reserved for the Sufi priests, who preferred to call themselves the elite. They who claim the right to interpret the Qur'anic verses and Prophetic traditions in ways not only different from the apparent meanings, but contradict them.

All these dichotomies of knowledge are blameworthy innovations, of which the Prophet (s.a.w) said: "The practicing or upholding innovations in religion leads to Hell-Fire." He also said, "He who introduces into our religion unwarranted things shall be rejected."

Sufis support the innovative dichotomies by citing the abnormal things done by al-Khidhr when Musa was in his company, such as making a hole in a ship, killing a boy and restoring a falling wall, as chronicled in surat al-Kahf (18.60-82). They justify Musa's objections to al-Khidhr's deed on the grounds that Musa had acquired exoteric or manifest knowledge only, while al-Khidr was one of the elite possessed esoteric or hidden knowledge.

The Sufis do not realize that whatever al-Khidhr did was in accordance with Divine revelation, nor do they know that Musa's objections were due to the fact that his Divine Laws were different from al-Khidhr's. That is why al-Khidhr responded to Musa by saying,

"I have knowledge given to me by Allah which you do not know, and you have other knowledge given to you by Allah which I do not know," whereupon Musa acquiesced.

  • The Message of Islam makes no distinction between exoteric and esoteric, because they are the same. It abrogated all previous messages and religions. Those who founded Sufism and introduced it to Muslims as pure Islam meant to turn the Muslim nation into a static, dependent, indifferent and ascetic nation, living in poverty and degradation.
  • They have opened the door to a host of clandestine and secretive sects to promote their perverse dogmas. They use esoterism as a pretext for misinterpreting the Qur'an and Sunnah, in order to drive Muslims away from sound religious knowledge, as indicated by some Sufi zealot, who consider knowledge as a hindrance in the way of the murid and a curtain which blocks his vision, "I prefer that the beginner (murid) does not occupy his mind with these three things: earning his living, seeking the Prophetic traditions or learning how to read and write, so that his worries may be confined."


What does it mean when a Muslim does not read or write? It means he does not learn, and if he does not, how, then, can he worship Allah in the manner that would qualify him to become His constant servant and His favorite? Al-Junaid's assertion actually means that the murid is to be kept ignorant and "pure" enough to occupy himself with dthikr or wird , so that he may join the ranks of those who receive "direct revelation from God," i.e. esoteric knowledge.

Thus the murid becomes content with esoteric knowledge in lieu of exoteric, and with knowledge of the hidden "truth" in lieu of Shari'ah, and therefore lives in both ignorance and apostasy, without piety or eeman.




Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 26 November 2008 at 4:11am
Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

abosait, have you read the thread for which I gave the link to, up above several posts ago?
If you read the information there, you will see that sufism is the heart of Islam, it is the estoric of islam, without it islam would be just a set of rules and rather rigid. Sufism is what gives islam its spirituality.
 
 
Hi Angel,
 
It is okay. There are many new readers who I believe prefer to observe the present than the past.
 
We will just move on from here, after all the posters are new and perhaps the idea will be new too.
 
Salam.


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 26 November 2008 at 4:30am
Salam to you Abosait.
 
I had come across a story of Rasulullah saying to his son-in-law Ali Karamullahiwajhah. Rasulullah reminded him that this 'ilm or this knowledge of Sufism, should not be spread to any layman. Else Ali's blood is halal for them - meaning, they can kill him like what happened to Al-Hallaj.
 
Remember when Ali was hit by an arrow and when the companions wanted to pull the arrow, what did Ali said? Let me pray 2 rakaah and while I pray, you can pull the arrow. Once he started praying, his zahir and bathin were all for Allah Subhanahuwataala. He did not feel any pain at all, due to his nearness with Allah. Do you think you and I can ever be like that, oblivious of everything except Allah?
 
Another dear Sahabah of Rasulullah - Abu Bakar AsSidiq. When he prayed, no words could be heard from him, except his weeping. And also Our own beloved Rasulullah when he prayed, his beard will be wet with tears and his legs will be swollen due to long standing?
 
Remember Umar AlKhatab while giving sermons on a Friday jumaah, he gave commands to the Muslim army even though the army was many miles away from him?
 
Ever wonder, what gave them these inner strengths that could make them see beyond the human eye?
 
I would like to quote some of the thoughts by our great imams about Sufism. If you think that Sufism is not part of Islam, that means you are also accusing that these great Imams were wrong too.
 
Imam Abu Hanifa (85 H. - 150 H) 
"If it were not for two years, I would have perished." He said, "for two years I accompanied Sayyidina Ja'far as-Sadiq and I acquired the spiritual knowledge that made me a gnostic in the Way." 
[Ad-Durr al-Mukhtar, vol 1. p. 43]

Imam Malik (95 H. - 179 H.) 
"whoever studies Jurisprudence [tafaqaha] and didn't study Sufism [tasawwaf] will be corrupted; and whoever studied Sufism and didn't study Jurisprudence will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will reach the Truth." 
['Ali al-Adawi , vol. 2, p 195.]

Imam Shafi'i (150 - 205 AH.) 
"I accompanied the Sufi people and I received from them three knowledges: ...how to speak; how to treat people with leniency and a soft heart... and they... guided me in the ways of Sufism." 
[Kashf al-Khafa, 'Ajluni, vol. 1, p 341.]

Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (164 - 241 AH.) 
"O my son, you have to sit with the People of Sufism, because they are like a fountain of knowledge and they keep the Remembrance of Allah in their hearts. they are the ascetics and they have the most spiritual power." 
[Tanwir al-Qulub p. 405]

Imam Ghazzali (450 - 505 AH.) 
"I knew verily that Sufis are the seekers in Allah's Way, and their conduct is the best conduct, and their way is the best way, and their manners are the most sanctified. They have cleaned their hearts from other than Allah and they have made them as pathways for rivers to run receiving knowledge of the Divine Presence." 
[al-Munqidh, p. 131].



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Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 26 November 2008 at 6:46am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Salam to you Abosait.
 
I had come across a story of Rasulullah saying to his son-in-law Ali Karamullahiwajhah. Rasulullah reminded him that this 'ilm or this knowledge of Sufism, should not be spread to any layman. Else Ali's blood is halal for them - meaning, they can kill him like what happened to Al-Hallaj.
 
Is its saying of RasullAllah -- i.e Hadith?. Kindly, share the book of hadith and its number, so that i look into it. 
 
 
 


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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 26 November 2008 at 8:39am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:



.........I had come across a story of Rasulullah saying to his son-in-law Ali...............


Where did you hear that?


Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:



.............Remember when Ali was hit by an arrow ...................
 
........................Abu Bakar AsSidiq. When he prayed, no words could be heard from him, except his weeping...................


Where did you hear that?

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:



[Ad-Durr al-Mukhtar, vol 1. p. 43]

['Ali al-Adawi , vol. 2, p 195.]

[Kashf al-Khafa, 'Ajluni, vol. 1, p 341.]

[Tanwir al-Qulub p. 405]

[al-Munqidh, p. 131].



Please tell me the names of the author/publisher of each of those books.Also please describe the context in which each of those personalities uttered those alleged statements.

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

����. If you think that Sufism is not part of Islam, that means you are also accusing that these great Imams were wrong too�������

A Muslim leader/Imam/Scholar would no doubt appreciate the good deeds done by his subjects/students on the grounds of equity, justice and fairplay. I do not take this to mean that the leader/Imam/Scholar is endorsing the unislamic beliefs of those groups to be correct.


And I do not appreciate people who highlight such instances without giving importance to the warnings given by these leaders/Imams/Scholars on the unislamic activities of their subjects/students.


Posted By: astroman
Date Posted: 27 November 2008 at 4:06pm
Originally posted by abosait abosait wrote:






Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


.........I had come across a story of Rasulullah saying to his son-in-law Ali...............
Where did you hear that?
[QUOTE=Nur_Ilahi]

.............Remember when Ali was hit by an arrow ...................


........................Abu Bakar AsSidiq. When he prayed, no
words could be heard from him, except his
weeping...................
Where did you hear that?
[QUOTE=Nur_Ilahi]
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Sir, I believe Nur Illahi were quoting simple narations which may be an extension of what other perawi recorded during the period. But the manner you asked AS IF that her quotations/statements are gravely against our shariah. That is my thinking only and forgive me if I am wrong. But why don't you disputes HER other quotations from Iman Ghazali, Iman Malik, Iman Shafi'e Etc. Etc. The point is we strongly believe that sufi is also part of islamic ilm' and do you believe so ?




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Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 27 November 2008 at 9:19pm
Jazakallah Bro Abosait for your efforts. . .
 
Sis Nur and Bro Astroman - like the bro correctly mentioned, whenever we are looking into something that is not called 'Islam' - we have a problem. It is wise to stray away from all sorts of 'groups' and 'labels' so one may stay away from bidaat and keep to the straight path.
 
We had to study about 'Sufi' scholars in history of the subcontinent - rest assured this 'movement' borrowed vast amounts of ideology from other religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism etc. Which is why u will notice that thier 'Saints' are often revered by Buddhists n Hindus also. U will see that rampant in the subcontient.
 
Attend any Sufi gathering etc and u wil notice that thier focus is more on general 'talk' that sufi so-n-so did/said etc - to the extent that majority of 'Sufiism' treats these Sufis as Saints. . . . and it also borders on shirk and numerous other very dangerous sins.
 
Indeed one need not restrict ones 'knowledge' to ONLY the Quran and Hadith, provided it is the knowledge of non-deen ilm. Religous/Deen knowledge of Islam however should ONLY be restricted to what the Prophet brought with him. So that we dont deviate.
 
As to your last question, about whether Sufiism is part of Islam - Bro. . . Islam ended with Prophet Muhammad, and his rightly guided Companions practised it perfectly the way he asked us to. . . . therefore a concept (Sufism) that was introduced some 500yrs ago or so is not going to be considered a part of mainstream Islam.
 
 


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Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 28 November 2008 at 6:34am

Assalamualaikum,
 
Sister seekshidayah wrote - Is its saying of RasullAllah -- i.e Hadith?. Kindly, share the book of hadith and its number, so that i look into it. 
Brother Abosait wrote -
.........I had come across a story of Rasulullah saying to his son-in-law Ali...............Where did you hear that?
 
Dear Sis and Bro, I apologise for not being able to quote from the net. But believe me, I did not make this up. I had read this in one of the tasawwuf books and my own teacher also had mentioned this before. For those who had no interest in Sufism, these stories may seem very strange, however for those who are familiar with Sufism, these are not made up stories.
 
Please tell me the names of the author/publisher of each of those books.Also please describe the context in which each of those personalities uttered those alleged statements.
 
What I quoted was from my one of my favourite website here below. If they are wrong, then I am wrong.
http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/early_scholars_on_sufism.htm - http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/early_scholars_on_sufism.htm
 
What does it mean when a Muslim does not read or write? It means he does not learn, and if he does not, how, then, can he worship Allah in the manner that would qualify him to become His constant servant and His favorite? Al-Junaid's assertion actually means that the murid is to be kept ignorant and "pure" enough to occupy himself with dthikr or wird , so that he may join the ranks of those who receive "direct revelation from God," i.e. esoteric knowledge.

Abosait, in regards to the above paragraph, you must have forgotten that Muhammad Rasulullah was An-Nabiyul-Ummi - The Unlettered Prophet. But did his being illiterate made him ignorant?
 
Thus the murid becomes content with esoteric knowledge in lieu of exoteric, and with knowledge of the hidden "truth" in lieu of Shari'ah, and therefore lives in both ignorance and apostasy, without piety or eeman.
 
Perhaps you do not understand. Tasawwuf or Sufism, is the heart and soul of Islamic Religion, whereas Shari'ah is the flesh.
 
Before I sign off (too tired already) - What do you understand by - Know yourself before you God.
 
Salam.
 


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 28 November 2008 at 6:37am
Brother Astroman,
 
As to your question to this topic - Sufi Remote healing?, here is where you should go to.
 
http://www.sheiknazim.com/portal-bin/content/view/121/59/ - http://www.sheiknazim.com/portal-bin/content/view/121/59/
 
Bay'ath thru this website.
 
Salam.


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 28 November 2008 at 6:40am
Hi Chrysalis,
 
I quote what Ibn Tamiyya said on sufism from the same link above.....
 
Ibn Taymiyya (661 - 728 AH) 
"Tasawwuf has realities and states of experience which they talk about in their science. Some of it is that the Sufi is that one who purifies himself from anything which distracts him from the remembrance of Allah and who will be so filled up with knowledge of the heart and knowledge of the mind to the point that the value of gold and stones will be the same to him. And Tasawwuf is safeguarding the precious meanings
and leaving behind the call to fame and vanity in order to reach the state of Truthfulness, because the best of humans after the prophets are the Siddiqeen, as Allah mentioned them in the verse:
"(And all who obey Allah and the Apostle) are in the company of those on whom is the grace of Allah: of the prophets, the sincere lovers of truth, the martyrs and the righteous; Ah! what a beautiful fellowship." (an-Nisa', 69,70)

"...some people criticised Sufiyya and Tasawwuf and they said they were innovators, out of the Sunnah, but the truth is they are striving in Allah's obedience [mujtahidin fi ta'at-illahi], as others of Allah's People strove in Allah's obedience. So from them you will find the Foremost in Nearness by virtue of his striving [as-saabiq ul-muqarrab bi hasab ijtihadihi]. And some of them are from the People of the Right hand [Ahl al-Yameen mentioned in Qur'an in Sura Waqi'ah], but slower in their progress.... And this is the origin of Tasawwuf. And after that origin, it has been spread and [tasha'abat wa tanawa'at] has its main line and its branches. 
[Majmu'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya al-Kubra, Vol. 11, Book of Tasawwuf, p. 497].

"The miracles of saints are absolutely true and correct, by the acceptance of all Muslim scholars. And the Qur'an has pointed to it in different places, and the Hadith of the Prophet (s) has mentioned it, and whoever denies the miraculous power of saints are only people who are innovators and their followers." [al-Mukhtasar al-Fatawa, page 603]. Ibn Taymiyya says, "what is considered as a miracle for a saint is that sometimes the saint might hear something that others do not hear and they might see something that others do not see, while not in a sleeping state, but in a wakened state of vision. And he can know something that others cannot know, through revelation or inspiration." 
[Majmu'a Fatawi Ibn Taymiyya, Vol. 11, p. 314].



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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 28 November 2008 at 8:49am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


Assalamualaikum,
 
....................Al-Junaid's assertion actually means that the murid is to be kept ignorant and "pure" enough to occupy himself with dthikr or wird , so that he may join the ranks of those who receive "direct revelation from God," i.e. esoteric knowledge.

Abosait, in regards to the above paragraph, you must have forgotten that Muhammad Rasulullah was An-Nabiyul-Ummi - The Unlettered Prophet. But did his being illiterate made him ignorant?
 

Dear brother/sister Nur_Ilahi,

Wa alaikum assalam wa Rahmatullah.

Please read the following verses from the Qur�an and the translation of their meanings..

 

Al-Kahf [18:110] http://mediaserver.hadi.org:8080/ramgen/ra101/raw/ra101_18.rm?start=01:09:05.3&End=01:10:08.0&mode=compact">          

قُلْ إِنَّمَا أَنَا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَى إِلَيَّ أَنَّمَا إِلَهُكُمْ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ فَمَن كَانَ يَرْجُو لِقَاء رَبِّهِ فَلْيَعْمَلْ عَمَلًا صَالِحًا وَلَا يُشْرِكْ بِعِبَادَةِ رَبِّهِ أَحَدًا

 

18:110 Say: "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your Allah is one Allah. whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.


 

    Fussilat [41:6] http://mediaserver.hadi.org:8080/ramgen/ra101/raw/ra101_41.rm?start=00:02:25.2&End=00:03:33.9&mode=compact">          

قُلْ إِنَّمَا أَنَا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَى إِلَيَّ أَنَّمَا إِلَهُكُمْ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ فَاسْتَقِيمُوا إِلَيْهِ وَاسْتَغْفِرُوهُ وَوَيْلٌ لِّلْمُشْرِكِينَ

 

41:6 Say thou: "I am but a man like you: It is revealed to me by Inspiration, that your Allah is one Allah. so stand true to Him, and ask for His Forgiveness." And woe to those who join gods with Allah,-

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His being unlettered until he recieved inspiration was a clear proof that Qur'an was not fabricated by him but was really the word of Allah and Muhammed Sallallahu alaihi wasallam is His messenger in truth.

You will learn from the above that Mohammed Sallallahu alaihi wasallam received inspiration and revelation.  And such inspiration was revealed to Prophets before him also but he being the last of the messengers Deen has been completed and there will be be no more "direct revelation"

Proof of this is in the following verse. Please read the verse and the translation of its meaning.

 

Al-Ma'idah [5:3] http://mediaserver.hadi.org:8080/ramgen/ra101/raw/ra101_5.rm?start=00:03:36.0&End=00:06:14.4&mode=compact">          

حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةُ وَالْدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللّهِ بِهِ وَالْمُنْخَنِقَةُ وَالْمَوْقُوذَةُ وَالْمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَالنَّطِيحَةُ وَمَا أَكَلَ السَّبُعُ إِلاَّ مَا ذَكَّيْتُمْ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى النُّصُبِ وَأَن تَسْتَقْسِمُواْ بِالأَزْلاَمِ ذَلِكُمْ فِسْقٌ الْيَوْمَ يَئِسَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمْ فَلاَ تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِ الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلاَمَ دِينًا فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ فِي مَخْمَصَةٍ غَيْرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ لِّإِثْمٍ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

 

5:3 Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

 

Thus if anyone claims that he receives direct inspiration from Allah in matters of deen he is a liar.



Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 28 November 2008 at 10:39pm

Dear Bro Abosait,

As we know there are 3 pillars of Islamic religion.
 
1. The 5 pillars of Islam
2. The 6 pillars of Iman
3. The 2 pillars of Ihsaan.
 
Tasawwuf or sufism is in the last of these, Ihsaan.
 
Perhaps you can elaborate on your idea of Ihsaan.
 
Salam.


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 29 November 2008 at 2:45am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Dear Bro Abosait,

.............Perhaps you can elaborate on your idea of Ihsaan....................


In Islam, Ihsaan is the Muslim responsibility to obtain perfection, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excellence - excellence , in worship, such that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims - Muslims try to worship God (Arabic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah - Allah ) as if they see Him, and although they cannot see Him(Due to believing Allah is not made of materials), they undoubtedly believe he is constantly watching over them.

That definition comes from the hadith (known as the http://www.latinodawah.org/library/english/nawawihadiths.html#hadith2 - Hadith of Angel Gabriel ) in which http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad - Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wasallam states,

"[Ihsaan is] to worship God as though you see Him, and if you cannot see Him, then indeed He sees you." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Bukhari - Al-Bukhari and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Muslim - Al-Muslim ). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihsan#cite_note-0 -




Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 29 November 2008 at 11:04pm

Alhamdulillah.

You are definitely correct Bro Abosait. I do not think I am able to give a better explanation than yours is.

" Ihsaan is the Muslim responsibility to obtain perfection, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excellence - excellence , in worship, such that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims - Muslims try to worship God (Arabic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah - Allah ) as if they see Him,"

as if they see Him - This is the state that Muhammad salallahualaihiwassalam, Ali Karamullahiwajhah, the Companions and all the Sufi Masters like Syed Abdul Qadir Jailani, Ar-Rumi, Al-Hallaj and many other waliyullahs had experienced. They had reached a state of perfection or excellence in worship which is not impossible, however difficult it is. When they worship Allah, they are oblivious of everything else, like the state of Ali when he was praying, not feeling any pain whatsoever when the other Sahabahs pulled out the arrow.

Shariah is only the outer layer of Islam, while the inner side or the spiritual side, only Tasawwuf can fill in. Shariah can teach us the adab or perfection in our action for example in solah. One has to try to pronounce perfectly the words in Arabic, so as not to change the meaning of the words if we prounounce it wrongly. We are taught to ensure that our attire and the place of our worship should always be clean. The position or action must follow exactly how it was done by Rasulullah but does Shariah taught us to be perfect in our mind, our soul like Rasulullah during our prayers? How many times in our prayers we sometimes think of something else, like - why is my husband or my children not back yet, or perhaps you can smell the cooking of your wife in the kitchen and you saying - oh, she must be cooking the chicken briyani - when at the same time you are uttering the word Allahuakbar in your prayers?

In tasawwuf, this is considered insincere. it is like talking to me yet your eyes were wondering some where else looking at other than me.

This is what Tasawwuf is all about. The perfection in us are there. The possibilities and potentials of perfection or excellence in worship are already in each and everyone of us. It us who should be finding it ourselves.

I quote from http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/seven_levels.htm - http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/seven_levels.htm

There is no question that complete potential for perfection is contained within every human being, because Allah Most High has placed His own Divine Secrets in the essence of man, in order to bring from unknown realms into evidence His Beautiful Names and Attributes.  But we have forgotten the perfection placed in us before we arrived in the world clad in flesh and bone. Our physical being and its attachment to the world in which it lives, covers and leaves in darkness the beauty and wisdom hidden within us, has made us forget our origin, and left us in a state of ignorance.

and although they cannot see Him(Due to believing Allah is not made of materials), they undoubtedly believe he is constantly watching over them.
That definition comes from the hadith (known as the http://www.latinodawah.org/library/english/nawawihadiths.html#hadith2 - Hadith of Angel Gabriel ) in which http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad - Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wasallam states,
"[Ihsaan is] to worship God as though you see Him, and if you cannot see Him, then indeed He sees you." (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Bukhari - Al-Bukhari and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Muslim - Al-Muslim ).

Bro Abosait,

This second part of Ihsaan is to believe that Allah is constantly watching us. In other words, whether we sleep, eat or drink, we are never away from Allah's observance. Allah never forgets us, it us human who forget Him. A humble servant of Allah who knows this will always reciprocate by remembering Him in his everyday life by constant Zikrullah. A servant of Allah who understand this second part of ihsaan, will never ever dare to tell lies, to steal, to gossip, to fornicate, to be proud, angry, cheat or any of the blemishes of the heart that is in this link http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/blemishes_of_nafs.htm - http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/blemishes_of_nafs.htm  

If you read stories about Sufis, you will find out that every single cell in their body is worshipping The Lord of the Whole Universe, in constant zikrullah, because they really understand this second part of Ihsaan.

Till next time,

Salam.



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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 30 November 2008 at 6:10am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


...............I do not think I am able to give a better explanation than yours is.........................



I also wrote:

That definition comes from the hadith (known as the http://www.latinodawah.org/library/english/nawawihadiths.html#hadith2 - ) in which http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad - Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wasallam states, "[Ihsaan is] to worship God as though you see Him, and if you cannot see Him, then indeed He sees you." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Bukhari - and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Muslim - ).

Please click on
http://www.latinodawah.org/library/english/nawawihadiths.html#hadith2 - to read the Hadith from an authentic Book of Hadith.

From your post it appears that you have not bothered to read the Hadith.

So here is a copy of the translation in English:

Hadith #2

Also on the authority of Omar, who said :

One day while we were sitting with the messenger of Allah there appeared before us a man whose clothes were exceedingly white and whose hair was exceedingly black; no signs of journeying were to be seen on him and none of us knew him.

He walked up and sat down by the prophet. Resting his knees against his and placing the palms of his hands on his thighs, he said:

"O Muhammed, tell me about Islam".

The messenger of Allah said:

"Islam is

  • to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah,
  • to perform the prayers,
  • to pay the zakat,
  • to fast in Ramadhan, and
  • to make the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to do so."

He said:

"You have spoken rightly",

and we were amazed at him asking him and saying that he had spoken rightly. He said:

"Then tell me about eman."

He said:

"It is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day, and to believe in divine destiny, both the good and the evil thereof."

He said:

"You have spoken rightly".

He said:

" Then tell me about ehsan."

He said:

"It is to worship Allah as though you are seeing Him, and while you see Him not yet truly He sees you".

He said:

"Then tell me about the Hour".

He said:

"The one questioned about it knows no better than the questioner."

He said:

"Then tell me about its signs."

He said:

"That the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress and that you will see the barefooted, naked, destitute herdsman competing in constructing lofty buildings."

Then he took himself off and I stayed for a time. Then he said:

"O Omar, do you know who the questioner was?" I said: "Allah and His messenger know best".

He said:

"He was Jebreel (Gabriel), who came to you to teach you your religion."

narrated by Muslim

Thus you see that
Jebreel (Gabriel), came to the Prophet to teach him and those present, the religion of Islam.  If there was any provision for any man made concepts like tasawwuf or Sufism in deen, Allah and His messenger would have told us. On the contrary we have been given the complete deen in the form of Qur'aan and Sunnah leaving no room for any addition or subtraction in the name of perfection.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 30 November 2008 at 8:47am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/seven_levels.htm -



I visited that web page which you have recomended and found the following statement:

".....................good adab which is the greater part of Islam and of Sufism............"

I suppose you fail to notice that the authour clearly considers Islam and Sufism as two different beliefs and sites some 68 points commonly desisted by the followers of these two groups.

As I told you earlier, a Hindu or a Sikh or a Sufi might  be doing some good deeds  which have been  made compulsory in Islam but that does not entitle you to call  the great Islamic scholars  by names other than the name Muslim.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 30 November 2008 at 6:54pm
From your post it appears that you have not bothered to read the Hadith.
Abosait, to be frank, I did not read the link that you gave, however, I am very well conversed with this Hadith as this Hadith is very important because it stress on Ihsaan, which is the basis of Tasawwuf.
 
"It is to worship Allah as though you are seeing Him,"
 
Remember Rasulullah when he prayed, he was oblivious of his surroundings, until his feet became swollen and his beard got so wet? The reason was he 'saw' Allah. Seeing in this case is not in the physical sense, but with one of the sifah that Allah had given the soul, that is Basar - the ability to see. Whatever Rasulullah a human being could do, we also have the potential of doing it. Though not as perfect as Habibullah - The Beloved of Allah.
 
"If there was any provision for any man made concepts like tasawwuf or Sufism in deen, Allah and His messenger would have told us"
Allah and His Rasul did. Sufism is not something that is totally alien from Islam. What does Islam mean? It means - SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF ALLAH. Being a student of Sufism, does that mean you do not submit to Allah? That you do not follow Rasulullah?
 
I suppose you fail to notice that the authour clearly considers Islam and Sufism as two different beliefs and sites some 65 points commonly desisted by the followers of these two groups.
 
I have a feeling that you must have misinterpret these words. There are so many links, please relink for me so that I can reread again.

As I told you earlier, a Hindu or a Sikh or a Sufi might  be doing some good deeds  which have been  made compulsory in Islam but that does not entitle you to call  the great Islamic scholars  by names other than the name Muslim.
 
Again I would like to reiterate the meaning of Muslim.
ONE WHO BELIEVES IN ALLAH THE CREATOR OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSE AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER - THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A HUMAN BEING.
ONE WHO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF ALLAH.
Is there anything in Sufism that negate this statement?
 
Abosait, I had elaborated on the meaning of Ihsaan in terms of Tasawwuf. Perhaps you can enlighten and elaborate to us in the meaning of Ihsaan in terms of Shariah.
 
Till next time,
Assalamualaikum.


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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 30 November 2008 at 7:20pm
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Assalamualaikum Abosait.

....................sufism is the core of Islamic belief. It is to purify the soul from all kinds of unseen illness like, anger, ujub, riya, kibr, tyranny, envy, miserliness, coward, all the blemishes of the nafs .....................


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I had elaborated on the meaning of Ihsaan in terms of Tasawwuf. Perhaps you can enlighten and elaborate to us in the meaning of Ihsaan in terms of Shariah.....



Wa alaikum assalaam wa Rahmatullah,

Do you want those outside the fold of Islaam and those Muslims who have not red and understood the Qur'aan to believe in your false claim that the Qur'aan and Sunnah have not shown any method of Purification of self which has necessitated  borrowing those remedies from Hinduism, Budhism, Sikhism and the like in the name of Sufism?

Whereas Allah s.w.t. has completed the Deen and the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam has conveyed to us in full.

Please read the complete verse 33:33 and 62:2 and you will understand that Allah purifies one who follows the Qur'an, the Islamic Laws and jurisprudence and also follows the Sunnah, legal ways, orders, acts of worship etc. of Prophet Muhammed Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.

Allah s.w.t. says, (translation of the meaning)


[إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُـمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيــراً]

(Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.)

Allah then says:


[وَاذْكُـرْنَ مَا يُتْـلَى فِى بُيُوتِكُـنَّ مِنْ ءَايَـتِ اللَّهِ وَالْحِكْــمَةِ]

(And remember, that which is recited in your houses of the Ayat of Allah and Al-Hikmah.)

meaning, `act in accordance with that of the Qur'an and Sunnah which Allah revealed to His Messenger in your houses.'

And in 5:41 Allah Subhanahu wa ata'alaa tells us of those whose hearts Allah does not wnt to purify.


Please read those verses (because Shariah is based on the Qur'aan and the Sunnah) and come back for a discussion.




Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 30 November 2008 at 9:28pm
Dear Abosait,
 
I believe in the Quranic verses that you provided.  As in the ayahs of Al-Quran in regards to solah, we have Rasulullah to show us how to pray the 5 daily prayers. So too are these ayahs that you quoted.
 
Allah s.w.t. says, (translation of the meaning)

[إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُـمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيــراً]

(Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.)
 
How did Rasulullah show us how to remove Ar-Rijs from us?
 
'And those who perform jihad for Us, We shall certainly guide them in Our ways, and God is surely with the doers of good'[Al Qur'an]
 
The most excellent Jihad, is that for the conquest of self." (Bukhari Shareef)
 
The question now Abosait is, - How does Shariah teach us how to succeed in the conquest of self?
 
Salam.


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Posted By: Hyposonic
Date Posted: 30 November 2008 at 10:03pm

Wow. I read this and I see so many provisions [i.e. rules] and schisms in Islam that its hard to conceive that such a belief is �easy.�



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Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 12:04am
Originally posted by Hyposonic Hyposonic wrote:

Wow. I read this and I see so many provisions [i.e. rules] and schisms in Islam that its hard to conceive that such a belief is �easy.�

 
Whether we like it or not, we are born to seek Allah - God, The Creator of the Whole Universe. Some seeing the destination to God  thru a straight path, some following the crooked path, some going blindly with eyes closed while some do not bother whether there is a destination or not.
 
For some who are on the straight path, had found a short cut thru using the 7 sifahs of Allah that Allah had gifted to men. Deeper tasawwuf is knowledge of the secrets of the unseen.
 
This debate is not for those who do not believe that there is a destination after life.
 
Salam.
 
 


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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 1:48am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

 
For some who are on the straight path, had found a short cut thru using the 7 sifahs of Allah that Allah had gifted to men. 


Any proof from the Islamic sources (Qur'an and sunnah) for your above statement?

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:



Deeper tasawwuf is knowledge of the secrets of the unseen.


The secrets fo the unseen are with Allah alone. None can penetrate into the secrets of the unseen. Even the Prophets could see only what Allah had revealed to them and had no knowledge of the unseen (gaib). Thus anyone who claims to have knowledge of the unseen is a liar as can be seen from the following verses of the Qur'an.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

�Say: �None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (unseen)  except Allaah, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected�[al-Naml 27:65] 

�And with Him are the keys of the Ghayb (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in the land and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but He knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record�[al-An�aam 6:59] 

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained these keys as referring to five things which are mentioned in Soorat Luqmaan, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

�Verily, Allaah, with Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily, Allaah is All‑Knower, All‑Aware (of things)�
[Luqmaan 31:34]. 

Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (hadeeth no. 4477) that �Aa�ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said:

�Whoever tells you that he knows what will happen tomorrow is lying.�

Then she recited,

�No person knows what he will earn tomorrow.� 

It was narrated that �Aa�ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said:

Some people asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about fortune-tellers, and he said:

�They are nothing.�

They said:

O Messenger of Allaah, they say something and it comes true.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

�That is a word of truth which the jinni snatches and cackles into the ear of his familiar like the cackling of a hen, and they mix more than one hundred lies with it.� Narrated by al-Bukhaari (7561). 

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained how the jinn steal this word. He said:

��when our Lord, may His name be blessed and exalted, decrees some matter, the bearers of the Throne glorify Him, then the people of heaven who are closest to them glorify Him, until the tasbeeh reaches the people of the lowest heaven. Then those who are nearest to the bearers of the Throne say: What did your Lord say? And they tell them what He said. And the people of heaven ask one another for the news, until the news reaches the lowest heaven. Then the eavesdropping jinn snatch what they can and convey it to their familiars. What they narrated as they heard it is true, but they add lies to it.� Narrated by Muslim (2229).





Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 2:16am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

 
...........Whether we like it or not, we are born to seek Allah - God, The Creator of the Whole Universe. ....................

 


That statement of yours is not from the teachings of Islam. Please tell me which religion teaches that.

Allah has has clearly taught mankind through the Prophets about Himself and has instructed mankind through those Prophets that we should worship Him alone.

According to Islam the purpose of creation as taught to us in the Qur'an and  Sunnah is to worship Allah alone.








Posted By: astroman
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 5:19am
Originally posted by abosait abosait wrote:



Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:



...........Whether we like it or not, we are born to seek Allah - God, The Creator of the Whole Universe. ....................
That statement of yours is not from the teachings of Islam. Please tell me which religion teaches that.Allah
has has clearly taught mankind through the Prophets about Himself and
has instructed mankind through those Prophets that we should worship
Him alone.
According to Islam the purpose of creation as taught to us in the Qur'an and� Sunnah is to worship Allah alone.


DEAR ABOSAIT sir,
Be rational to Nur Illahi. What is wrong with that general statement. I don't see grave mistakes when she said that. I, being a human being, a subject of the creator, if I ever believe in GOD and any god for that matter, it is only natural that I need to SEEK GOD. Either I made the right choice of my GOD is depending on how well I use my akal and to look for the signs and the religoius 'literature' there is to support my believe and not forgetting with the GRACE of GOD who wish to save me and guide me as per his gracious WILL. BUT the final chapter of my presence on this earth and hereafter will be ME facing the TRUE GOD who is supposed to be I believe Ever Powerful, Ever Living and Ever Grand in all aspects. That GOD is still WHO EVER HE IS according to my believe.

We can say a millions words to stick to our a simple but unreasonable points, yet there are another 3 Billion over human beings out there who don't follow us muslims. Why are we so nitty gritty with our ideas which do not affect one's akidah.

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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 8:22am
Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:



..................... if I ever believe in GOD and any god for that matter, it is only natural that I need to SEEK GOD......................


But brother Astroman, calling oneself a Muslim means that one follows the Qur'an and the Sunnah and knows that Allah is outside of His creations High above the seven heavens and above the throne as is mentioned in the Qur'an. s/he doesnt go seeking God but tries to worship Him in the way befitting Him as learnt from the Qur'an and the Sunnah.

The religion of Islam is:

(1)free of any dogma or mystical proposition which might make the Quranic doctrine difficult to understand or might even conflict with man�s innate reason;

(2) it avoids all complicated ritual or system of taboos which would impose undue restrictions on mans everyday life;

(3) it rejects all self-mortification and exaggerated asceticism, which must unavoidably conflict with mans true nature and

(4) it takes fully into account the fact that "man has been created weak�� (4:28).

Al-Hajj (The Pilgrimage)
22:78

وَجَاهِدُوا فِي اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهَادِهِ هُوَ اجْتَبَاكُمْ وَمَا جَعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ مِنْ حَرَجٍ مِّلَّةَ أَبِيكُمْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ هُوَ سَمَّاكُمُ الْمُسْلِمينَ مِن قَبْلُ وَفِي هَذَا لِيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ شَهِيدًا عَلَيْكُمْ وَتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَوْلَاكُمْ فَنِعْمَ الْمَوْلَى وَنِعْمَ النَّصِيرُ

And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline).

He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham.

It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind!

So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah.

He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help!


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 5:50pm
Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:



................ yet there are another 3 Billion over human beings out there who don't follow us muslims. ..........................


Brother Astroman,

No doubt the sincere ones among those outside the fold of Islam are searching for Truth and are in need of guidance.

But this search (trying to seek Allah) ends where Islam begins. the one who enters the fold of Islam has found the answers to his questions such as "who is Allah" and "Where is Allah" and obeys the command of Allah:

Al-An'am (The Cattle)

قُلْ إِنَّ صَلاَتِي وَنُسُكِي وَمَحْيَايَ وَمَمَاتِي لِلّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ (6:162)

لاَ شَرِيكَ لَهُ وَبِذَلِكَ أُمِرْتُ وَأَنَاْ أَوَّلُ الْمُسْلِمِينَ (6:163)


6:162 Say: "Behold, my prayer, and (all] my acts of worship, and my living and my dying are for God [alone], the Sustainer of all the worlds,

6:163 in whose divinity none has a share: for thus have I been bidden-and I shall [always] be foremost among those who surrender themselves unto Him."






Posted By: astroman
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 6:57pm
Dear Abosait

Sincerely are you a lawyer by profession?

Anyway, the very fact that we are all born  muslim and we all know and accepted Allah SWT as our Creator long before we are born in the al'm Malakut (..correct me if I am wrong...). Yet many millions that come into this world are still groping and searching for TRUTH .... GOD... who ever IT is? Millions never ever know or hear  The Almighty name either. So ?


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Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 01 December 2008 at 10:08pm
Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:


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Be rational to Nur Illahi.
 
 
with all due respect Bro . . . from a completley objective point of view. . . Abosait's points seem more rational compared to Nur's . . .cz atleast they are supported by authentic literature sources and fundamentals of Islam. If nonmuslims were part of this discussion, it would have been a different matter altogether, but as Muslims - the brunt of any religous argument lies on its support of authentic islamic sources. What so-and-so said and what i think/like is not the same as what Hadith or the Quran say.
 
Regards,
 


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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 3:50am

Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:


Dear Abosait

Sincerely are you a lawyer by profession?



No.

Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:



...................Yet many millions that come into this world are still groping and searching for TRUTH .... GOD... who ever IT is? Millions never ever know or hear  The Almighty name either. So ?

Brother Astroman,

Assalamualaykum.

Though the ongoing subject was about people who make a mockery of the Qur'an and Sunnah and propagate Sufism, the above question cannot be left unattended.

Jazakallahu khair.

The final revelation teaches that all mankind have the recognition of God imprinted on their souls, a part of their very nature with which they are created. (To know about this in detail please read Qur�an, Chapter 7, Verses 172-173)

Just as the child submits to the physical laws which God has put in nature, his soul also submits naturally to the fact that God is his Lord and Creator. But, his parents try to make him follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of his life to resist or oppose the will of his parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and God Almighty does not hold him to account or punish him for this religion.

Throughout people's lives from childhood until the time they die, signs are shown to them in all regions of the earth and in their own souls, until it becomes clear that there is only one true God. If the people are honest with themselves, reject their false gods and seek God, the way will be made easy for them but if they continually reject God's signs and continue to worship creation, the more difficult it will be for them to escape.

Prophets were sent to every nation and tribe to support man's natural belief in God and man's inborn inclination to worship Him as well as to reinforce the divine truth in the daily signs revealed by God. Although, in most cases, much of the prophets' teachings became distorted, portions remained which point out right and wrong.






Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 3:58am

What is Tasawwuf?
Condensed from the writings of Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (may Allah be pleased with him) 

What is Tasawwuf?

"Verily, he who has purified the heart is successful and he who has despoiled it has lost."
 
Many people have misunderstandings about tasawwuf. Many think that it is something beyond the Qur'an and Sunnah. Errant Sufis as well as the superficial ulema, although on the opposite ends of the spectrum, are together in holding this mistaken notion. Consequently the first group has shunned the Qur'an and Hadith while the second group has shunned tasawwuf. Actually, although the term tasawwuf, like many other religious terms in use today, evolved later, the discipline is very much part of the Shariah. The department of the Shariah relating to external deeds like salat and zakat is called fiqh while the one dealing with the internal feelings and states of the heart is called tasawwuf. Both are commanded in the Qur'an. Thus while commanding Salat and Zakat, the Qur'an also commands gratefulness and love of Allah and condemns the evil of pride and vanity. Similarly, in the books of hadith, along with the chapters on Ibadat, trade and commerce, marriage and divorce, are to be found the chapters on riya' (show off) takabbur, akhlaq, etc. These commands are as much a mandatory requirement as the ones dealing with external deeds.

On reflection it will be realized that all the external deeds are designed for the reformation of the heart. That is the basis of success in the hereafter while its despoiling is the cause of total destruction. This is precisely what is known technically as tasawwuf. Its focus is tahzeebe akhlaq or the adornment of character; its motive is the attainment of Divine pleasure; its method is total obedience to the commands of the Shariah.

Tasawwuf is the soul of Islam. Its function is to purify the heart from the lowly bestial attributes of lust, calamities of the tongue, anger, malice, jealousy, love of the world, love of fame, niggardliness, greed, ostentation, vanity, deception, etc. At the same time it aims at the adornment of the heart with the lofty attributes of repentance, perseverance, gratefulness, fear of Allah , hope, abstention, tauheed, trust, love, sincerity, truth, contemplation, etc.

To diagnose and treat the diseases of the heart normally requires the help of an expert teacher or Shaykh. Here are the qualities of a proper Shaykh.

1. He possesses necessary religious knowledge.
2. His beliefs, habits, and practices are in accordance with the Shariah.
3. He does not harbor greed for the worldly wealth.
4. He has himself spent time learning from a proper Shaykh.
5. The scholars and good mashaikh of his time hold good opinion about him.
6. His admirers are mostly from among the people who have good understanding of religion.
7. Most of his followers follow the Shariah and are not the seekers after this world.
8. He sincerely tries to educate and morally train his followers. If he sees anything wrong in them, he corrects it.
9. In his company one can feel a decrease in the love of this world and an increase in the love for Allah (subhanahu wa ta ala).
10. He himself regularly performs dhikr and spiritual exercises.

In searching for a Shaykh, do not look for his ability to perform karamat (miracles) or to foretell the future. A very good Shaykh may not be able to perform any karamat. On the other hand, a person showing karamat does not have to be a pious person --- or even a Muslim. Prominent Sufi Bayazid Bistami says: "Do not be deceived if you see a performer of supernatural feats flying in the air. Measure him on the standard of the Shariah."

When you find the right Shaykh and you are satisfied with his ability to provide spiritual guidance, you perform baya or pledge. This is a two-way commitment; the Shaykh pledges to guide you in light of Shariah and you pledge to follow him. Then the Shaykh will give his murid (student) initial instructions. They include the following:

1. Perform repentance for all the past sins and take steps to make amends, e.g. if any salat has been missed so far in the life, you start making up for it.

2. If you have any unmet financial obligations toward another person make plans to discharge them.

3. Guard your eyes, ears and tongue.

4. Perform dhikr regularly.

5. Start a daily session of self-accounting before going to bed. Review all the good and bad deeds performed during the day. Repent for the bad ones and thank Allah (subhanahu wa ta ala for the good ones.

6. Perform muraqaba-maut (meditation over death) every night before going to bed. Just visualize that you have died. Reflect upon the pangs of death, the questioning in the grave, the plain of Resurrection, the Reckoning , the presence in the Court of Allah, subhanahu wa ta ala, etc. This helps bring softness to the heart and break the tendency to commit sins.

7. Develop humility. Even if you observe another individual committing the worst of vices you should not despise him/her, nor should you consider yourself nobler. It is very much possible that the perpetrator of the vice may resort to sincere repentance while the one who despised the sinner become ensnared in the traps of nafs and Shaytan. One has no certainty regarding one's end. One, therefore has no basis for regarding another with contempt.

The essential idea of tahzeebe akhlaq is to bring our natural faculties in a state of balance. The three basic faculties are anger, desires, and intelligence.

Anger: When in equilibrium it results in valor, forbearance, steadfastness, the ability to restrain anger, and dignity. Excess will result in rashness, boastfulness, pride, inability to restrain anger, and vanity. A deficiency will result in cowardice, disgrace and feelings of inferiority.

Desires: Equilibrium here results in chastity, generosity, haya (decency), patience and contentment. Its excess leads to greed and lust. The other extreme results in narrow-mindedness, impotence, etc.

Intelligence: Equilibrium here makes man wise, sharp-witted and one with great insights. Excess here makes one deceptive, fraudulent and an impostor. Its lack results in ignorance and st**idity with the consequence that such a person is quickly misled.

A person will be considered as having a beautiful character only when these faculties are in the state of balance and equilibrium. Internal beauty varies with people just as external beauty does. The possessor of the most beautiful seerah was Prophet Muhammad, Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam. The beauty of our seerah is based on its closeness to his seerah. Condensed from the writings of Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi.

http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/thanwi_tasawwuf.htm - http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/thanwi_tasawwuf.htm


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Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 4:10am
Assalamualaikum Chrysalis,
 
I know I lacked quoting the Quran and Hadiths, it is not that there is not any to back up my claim, but I do not have the time to search for  it. InshaAllah, when time permits, I will produce some for your satisfaction.
 
Please read my long post above. Find and search in any of the above article anything that is against the Quran or Sunnah. Actually the proofs are all within ourselves. It is whether we want to accept it or not. Tasawwuf is mostly avoided by Muslims because it is trying to control our Nafs - The Ego/Desire/Passion/Lust which is one of our greatest enemy.
 
I will give another basic information about Tasawwuf. Read carefully and see whether it is applicable to you or not. If it is not, maybe then I am wrong.
 
On Being a Human Being

Shaykh Tosun Bayrak al-Jerrahi al-Halveti

Oh the seeker who wishes to learn the chemistry of secrets and follow the path of the ones who have found salvation! If you wish to know yourself, know that the One who created you has created you with two sides. One is your outside and the other is your inside.: Your outside is visible, it is your form. Your inside is sometimes called your ego, sometimes your soul, sometimes your heart. Your truth is inside of you. Your outside, your eyes, your hands, your feet . . . . are the servants of your inside. Your heart is the center of it. It is not the piece of meat on the left side of your chest, because animals, even dead people have it. It is a piece of meat which is visible. Everything which is visible belongs to this world. The heart, the soul, which is the center of your inner being, is invisible, but to it, the beauty of the truth is visible. All the rest of your physical being is its servant. What Allah addresses, His obligations, His prohibitions, His rewards and His punishments are all to your inner self. But when the heart is addressed, when it obeys or it revolts, all the rest of you follows it. To know it is the key to knowing your Lord.

Try to learn it, find it and be with it. It is also created and made out of matter, but of fine matter, from the same material which the angels are made of. When the beloved of Allah, our master says: "I am made from the divine light of Allah and the believers generate from me." He means with the divine light, that material which your heart is made of.

Know that your heart has come from the invisible higher realms of the angels, close to your Lord and has descended to the ruins of this world to be tested and will soon return to its Lord. http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/being_human.htm - http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/being_human.htm  

By the way Chrysalis, do you realise that we are communicating via our 'inside"?



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Posted By: astroman
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 4:52am
Dear Nur Illahi

Thank you for your time and to all too. I originally was looking for "sufi remote healing?" I have been analysing that the issues exploded from this discussions were focussing on the issues of whether Sufi as practiced by many muslims is Islamic or otherwise. I am no authority on this subject. I and my family stand to our proclaimation of our shahadah, Al Quran is our ultimate book of reference ("not a dot is added or taken off") and abiding to Sunah RasulAllah. What ever we do, we are answerable to Allah SWT here and the hereafter. Wish not to continue this subject which leads me nowhere. If others wish to continue, please do so but please do not deviate from the basic fudamentals of Islam! The Sahadah, Al Quran and Sunah rasulAllah. Good bye and Assalamualaikum

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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 9:16am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:



................I know I lacked quoting the Quran and Hadiths, it is not that there is not any to back up my claim, but I do not have the time to search for  it. InshaAllah, when time permits, I will produce some for your satisfaction.....................


Nur Ilahi, you don�t have time to refer to the Qur�an and Hadith to verify whether what you Shaikh has said is right or wrong.

You have quoted from Ashraf Ali Thanvi who was an advocate of Wahdat al-Wajood.

Here are some excerpts from the writings of the same buzurg:

1. It is mentioned in Aamaal-e-Qur'aani, p. 134 by Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi [published by Jasim Book Depot, Urdu Bazaar, Jama Masjid, Delhi] that if a woman has excessive menstrual bleeding, the verse (Surah Al-'Imran: 3:144) should be written on three different pieces of paper, one tied on her right and the other on her left and the third piece of paper with the Qur'�nic verse to be hung below the naval. This verse of the Qur'aan, "Muhammad (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah, and Allah will give reward to those who are grateful." [Surah Al-'Imran: 3:144]

2. When Shah Waliullah was in his mother�s womb, she said a prayer. Two tiny hands (too) appeared for prayer. She was frightened. Her husband said, "You have Qutubul-Aqtab (Wali of Walis) in your womb (Hikayat-e-Awlia, p. 17 Ashraf Ali Thanwi) What a break-through

3. The holy messenger came to Shah Waliullah (in the 18 century!) and said, �Why do you worry? Your children are the same as mine.� (Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Hikayat-ul-Awlia)

4. Disrespect to a monk is more perilous than disrespect to Allaah. (Mulla Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Al-Ashraf, p.23, Nov. 1991)

5. Say "Fazabooha" before you cut a melon, or any thing else (for that matter), you will find it sweet. (Aamale-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

6. Recite the verse "When the heaven will split.� Write it (on a piece of paper) and tie to the left thigh of any woman in labor, child birth will become easy. Cut the hair of that woman and 
burn them between her thighs, childbirth will be easier still.
(Aamal-e-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

7. During labor pains let the woman hold Mawatta Imam Malik for instant delivery. (Aamal-e-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

8. See what �Hakeemul Ummat� Thanwi says! Keep reciting "Al Mughni" during sex and the woman will love you. (same book, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

Plase leave these �Buzurgs� alone and come to Qur�an and Sunnah if you believe in the Day of Judgement.


Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 3:29am
Shocked Interesting . . . . .

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Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 3:31am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

By the way Chrysalis, do you realise that we are communicating via our 'inside"?
 
Wa'alaikum salaam Sis. . .
 
No, Im afraid I dont know what you mean. . . .
 
Regards,
 
 


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Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 4:47am

Bro Abosait,

It surprise me that you are finding faults with the author, instead of finding the truth in what Hadrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi wrote. You did not even attempt to counter debate one single fact that were written. When I checked wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashraf_Ali_Thanwi - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashraf_Ali_Thanwi  I could not find this kind of accusation by you. This remind me of the western style of slandering which is abhorred by Islam - If you cannot refute the facts that a person brought forth, then find faults or slander the person. This is precisely what Tasawwuf is for. To clear our Souls from these ailments that darken the souls. Tasawwuf enables one to purify his/her soul. Back to its original self - The Fitrah.
 
 I remember there was a saying that says - Do not look at who is saying, but look at what is being said. Obviously, you cannot find any fault in his teachings, so you have to slander him. To be just to Hadrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi, the least you can do is quote the website that you get this accusations from.
 
As requested, below are the verses of AlQuran and the hadiths of Rasululullah in regards to Tasawwuf.
 
It was related by al-Bukhari.It is said in the Hadith al-Qudsi that Allah has said: "I was a Hidden Treasure, and I longed that I should be known. So I Created creation, that I might be known."

Allah Most High says: "He who is hostile to a friend of Mine I declare war against. My slave approaches Me with nothing more beloved to Me than what I have made obligatory upon him, and My slave keeps drawing nearer to Me with voluntary works until I love him. And when I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his sight with which he sees, his hand with which he seizes, and his foot with which he walks. If he asks me, I will surely give to him, and if he seeks refuge in Me, I will surely protect him" (Fath al-Bari, 11.340-41, hadith 6502);
  
"Allah has truly blessed the believers, for He has sent them a messenger of themselves, who recites His signs to them and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom" (Koran 3:164),
  
"Truly, Allah does not look at your outward forms and wealth, but rather at your hearts and your works" (Sahih Muslim, 4.1389: hadith 2564).

One who Cleansed his ego achieved salvation (S.91 V. 9)

One who spoilt his nafs became mislead (S.91 V. 10)

There is an analogy that well describes you. You are like someone who is learning to swim by clinging to your buoy (Al-Quran and Hadiths). You just cannot let go these two, because if you do so, you will be drowned. A person who is an expert in swimming, learns from using the buoy, but later will let it go and swim independently and confidently. But that does not mean that he does not need the buoy, he still needs it as it is his life saving device.
 
Till next time..
 
Salam.
 


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 4:50am
Originally posted by Chrysalis Chrysalis wrote:

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

By the way Chrysalis, do you realise that we are communicating via our 'inside"?
 
Wa'alaikum salaam Sis. . .
 
No, Im afraid I dont know what you mean. . . .
 
Regards,
 
 
 
Sis Chrysalis,
 
Let me ask you a few questions.
 
Who is it that is reading my posts without opening the mouth or moving the tongue? Who is it that could hear my words? Is it your ears? Who is it that is looking at my words now? Is it your eyes? Who is it that enables your fingers to type on the keyboard? Is it your hands? Who?
 
Till next time...
Assalamualaikum


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 6:08am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

t surprise me that you are finding faults with the author, instead of finding the truth in what Hadrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi wrote. You did not even attempt to counter debate one single fact that were written. When I checked wikipedia

How is the post abt Ashraf Ali Thanvi slanderous? There isnt a single personal attack on him, simply his statements - which really are outrageous! Isnt it the duty of a Muslim to warn against falsehood? Even it be from another muslim?
 
Or do you think there is nothing wrong with his opinions and statements? (which any muslim has a right to analyse and confirm, without it bieng slanderous)
 
Also . . . I find it amazing that you would prefer wikipedia's info over actual references of page numbers from a book?
 
 
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 I remember there was a saying that says - Do not look at who is saying, but look at what is being said. Obviously, you cannot find any fault in his teachings, so you have to slander him. To be just to Hadrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi, the least you can do is quote the website that you get this accusations from.
 
 
With all due respect Nur. . . but what you said goes against Islamic teachings. . . because in Islam - before believing any person's statements or opinions or considering them accurate/worthy, one HAS to look at the person as well as the words. Because the person's actions and character has everything to do with what they say. Which is why in Islam, a person with a tendency to fabricate or lie is not considered a good witness! It is also a criteria that Muhaddith used to use when compiling ahadith. They would leave out ahadith narrated by a person with known character flaws. (lying/fabrication etc) 
 

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There is an analogy that well describes you. You are like someone who is learning to swim by clinging to your buoy (Al-Quran and Hadiths). You just cannot let go these two, because if you do so, you will be drowned. A person who is an expert in swimming, learns from using the buoy, but later will let it go and swim independently and confidently. But that does not mean that he does not need the buoy, he still needs it as it is his life saving device.
 
This is exactly what is wrong with sufism. Straying past actual, pertinent matters and circling around irrelevant hodge podge. There is so much wrong with the above highlighted statements - i dont even know where to start. Even the Sahaba never let go of Quran and Hadith - no matter how good or perfect/confident a swimmer they were. A good muslim is never 'confident' of thier holiness/goodness/spiritualness....and so never lets go of the 'buoy'.
 
Regards,
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 6:19am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Bro Abosait,

It surprise me that you are finding faults with the author, instead of finding the truth in what Hadrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi wrote. You did not even attempt to counter debate one single fact that were written. When I checked wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashraf_Ali_Thanwi -  I could not find this kind of accusation by you.................
 


Did I say it is from Wiki?

I started the quote by clearly mentiong where you can find it. It is from what he himself wrote and I have given the name of the Publishers also.


It is mentioned in Aamaal-e-Qur'aani, p. 134 by Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi [published by Jasim Book Depot, Urdu Bazaar, Jama Masjid, Delhi]




Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 03 December 2008 at 7:09am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


.......................You are like someone who is learning to swim by clinging to your buoy (Al-Quran and Hadiths). You just cannot let go these two, because if you do so, you will be drowned.....................


Sure. No one should let go the Qur'an and the Sunnah.


Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


...............A person who is an expert in swimming, learns from using the buoy, but later will let it go and swim independently and confidently............


A Mo'min would not think of leaving the Qur'an and Sunnah even for a moment.

Only the Shaitan and his desciples will let go the Qur'an and Sunnah and try to live "independantly". 
and "confidently".

Some Sufis show disrespect to the Quran and Sunnah to please the Shaitan (deviant Jinn) and get favours from him such as the "spiritual healing" and "remote healing".






Posted By: astroman
Date Posted: 04 December 2008 at 5:55am
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Who is it that is reading my posts without opening the mouth or moving the tongue? Who is it that could hear my words? Is it your ears? Who is it that is looking at my words now? Is it your eyes? Who is it that enables your fingers to type on the keyboard? Is it your hands? Who? '/QUOTE'

Sister Nur Illahi
I must say you are more 'knowledgeable' that most of us and you only know what I meant. Sister, 'Dont waste time, you can be misintrepreted'.

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Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 05 December 2008 at 2:57am
Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:


Sister Nur Illahi
I must say you are more 'knowledgeable' that most of us and you only know what I meant. Sister, 'Dont waste time, you can be misintrepreted'.
 
Thanks Astroman.
 
I think, will just leave it at this.
 
till next time...
 
Assalamualaikum


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 05 December 2008 at 7:30am
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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 05 December 2008 at 5:21pm
Originally posted by abosait abosait wrote:

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

  1. Who is it that is reading my posts without opening the mouth or moving the tongue?
  1. Who is it that could hear my words? Is it your ears?
  1. Who is it that is looking at my words now? Is it your eyes?
  1. Who is it that enables your fingers to type on the keyboard? Is it your hands?
  1. Who?

Answers:

1.      It�s me.

2.      No. I can�t hear you, Nur Ilahi, unless u speak to me from an audible distance or  use  some artificial means  of audio transfer.

3.      It�s me looking with my eyes.

4.      Of-course.

5.      Me. Who else?

The human self is referred to as �Nafs� in the Qur�an and it consists of a soul within a physical body. Both soul and the body are creations of Allah Subhanahu wa ta�alaa.

Imam Ibn Al-Qayyim wrote in his scholarly work �Kitab al Ruh�,

�Ruh� is an entity which differs totally from the physical body.

It is a subtle, ecclesiastical, enlightened living and moving body which penetrates into the depths of the organs and flows into them like the water in the rose or the oil in the olive or the fire in the coal.

As long as these organs remain able to accept the impressions of this subtle body, the 'Ruh' remains attached to these organs and provides them with feeling and movement.

But when these organs are spoiled because of the dominance of diseased elements upon it, and they are no longer able to accept the impressions of the soul, it leaves the body and heads towards the world of the souls.

Allah Almighty says about the last moments on this earth of a dying person:

        "Then why do you not intervene when the soul (of the dying man) reaches the throat.

         And you are at that time looking .

        We are nearer to him , but you do not see.

        And why do you not, if you are exempt from accountability, call back the soul if you are truthful?." (Soorah Al-Waqiah v 83-87)

The dying man experiences things which cannot be comprehended by the people around him. As his soul leaves his body through his nostrils, his eyes follow his soul. For this reason, the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) advised the people to close the eyes of the deceased to make his appearance less ghastly.



Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 05 December 2008 at 9:52pm

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi
1. Who is it that is reading my posts without opening the mouth or moving the tongue?

It�s me. Where is Me? If you are pointing to your chest, then the chest is 'Me'?

2. Who is it that could hear my words? Is it your ears?

No. I can�t hear you, Nur Ilahi. If you cannot hear me, then how could you understand me?

3. Who is it that is looking at my words now? Is it your eyes?

It�s me looking with my eyes. If your eyes are closed, can you see your beloved someone, like your wife or your children? If the answer is yes, who is looking?

4.Who is it that enables your fingers to type on the keyboard? Is it your hands?

Of-course. Then when you die can your hands type?

5. Who?

Me. The answer is not ME but Ruh.

Ruh is like the electricity to a computer CPU. Even how sophisticated the computer, without electricity it is nothing. Same here with us, without Ruh, we are just a stinking corpse that no one wants to be around with.

1. This is the Ruh that Allah asked when we were in 'Alam Ruh - Alastubirrabikum? Am I not your lord? And we replied - Qaloo - Balaa shahidna - Indeed we witness.

2. This is the same Ruh that Allah plant in our mother's womb in Alam Rahim the second �Alam or Ruh that we had experienced.

3. This is the same Ruh that now are communicating with me another Ruh in Alam Shahadah. The Ruh that enable us to breathe, to eat, to pray and all other daily actions.

4. This is the Ruh that will face Saqaratul Maut in the moments before death in Alam Saqarah. That will catch a glimpse of the beauty of heaven or the heat of hell.

5. This is the same Ruh that will be questioned in the grave like MA RABBUKA? Who is your God? This is the Ruh that will be experiencing the joy of beautiful garden in Alam barzakh, or the tortures of the grave.

6, This is the Ruh that will be answerable to Allah in Alam Mahshar;

7. Lastly this is the Ruh that will enjoy the eternity of heaven or the tortures of hell (nauzubillahiminzalik) in Alam Akhirah.

And how do we make sure that our Ruh is as pure as we were born? By following the 3 pillars of Islamic religion, that is Islam, Iman and Ihsaan.

Assalamualaikum.



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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: astroman
Date Posted: 06 December 2008 at 2:26am
Assalamulaikum
Sister Nur Illahi


"The answer is not ME but Ruh."

Precisely correct and refer to Surah Al-Hijr Ayah 29.
That is the 'fitrah' that we have to 'care and nurture' dunya and akhirat.
Salam




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Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 07 December 2008 at 3:53am
Originally posted by astroman astroman wrote:

Assalamulaikum
Sister Nur Illahi


"The answer is not ME but Ruh."




Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

 

1.      If you are pointing to your chest, then the chest is 'Me'?

2.      If you cannot hear me, then how could you understand me?

3.      If your eyes are closed, can you see your beloved someone, like your wife or your children? If the answer is yes, who is looking?

4.      Then when you die can your hands type?

5.      The answer is not ME but Ruh.




Dear Astroman and Nur Ilahi,

That was exactly the reply I expected from you since you are not the first of the Sufis I am confronting.

Answers to your second set of questions:

  1. The chest in that case will be �my chest�
  2. I have added the words �speak from within audible distance��� Please scroll back and read.
  3. The answer is NO.
  4. Impossible.

The fan rotates if electricity is passed through it. No one would say �the electricity is rotating� and  anyone in his proper senses would say �the fan is rotating�.

�The human self is referred to as �Nafs� in the Qur�an and it consists of a soul within a physical body. ��

Thus when the soul is wihin a body the body makes the actions such as seeing, hearing, typing etc. and not the soul/Ruh as is clear from the following Verse:

 

الْيَوْمَ نَخْتِمُ عَلَى أَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَتُكَلِّمُنَا أَيْدِيهِمْ وَتَشْهَدُ أَرْجُلُهُمْ بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْسِبُونَ (36:65)

 

36:65 On that Day We shall set a seal on their mouths but their hands will speak unto Us, and their feet will bear witness to whatever they have earned [in life].




Posted By: nothing
Date Posted: 08 December 2008 at 1:51am
Originally posted by abosait abosait wrote:

�The human self is referred to as �Nafs� in the Qur�an and it consists of a soul within a physical body. ��

Thus when the soul is wihin a body the body makes the actions such as seeing, hearing, typing etc. and not the soul/Ruh as is clear from the following Verse:

I do undertand from the 1st part above in bold that NAFS is consists of BODY with RUH in it. But I don't understand the 2nd part Abosait. Can you make it a bit clearer to me. Thanks for your time.

 



Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 08 December 2008 at 6:31am

Dear Astroman and Nur Ilahi,
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That was exactly the reply I expected from you since you are not the first of the Sufis I am confronting.

Excuse me, Astroman and I are not Sufis. We are only interested in the teachings of the Sufis. I hope this is very clear to you.

I have no time now, but this is what I will state.

Allah Most High says in the Holy Qur�an (15:26-29) that when He created man from black mud and fashioned him into the beautiful shape of a human being, and made him complete, HE BREATHED INTO MAN HIS SOUL FROM HIS OWN SOUL.

Allah had lent 7 of His Sifahs in our souls.

1. Qudrah - Power

2. Iradhah - Will

3. Ilmu - Knowledge

4. Hayah - Life

5. Samak - The ability to hear

6. Basar - The ability to hear

7. Qalam - The ability of speech/

There are many verses in the Quran that reiterates the power of the Soul.

Time is running out. Got to go.

Till next time.



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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 10 December 2008 at 2:07am

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

 We are only interested in the teachings of the Sufis......................................................



And that tells me why you are quoting from their writings and not copying from the Qur'an or the translation of the meanings of the verses.

Now please read what actually is in Surah Al-Hijr  (15) 26-29. The translation of  the meanings are from Tafsir Ibn Kathir.

[وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الإِنسَـنَ مِن صَلْصَـلٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ - وَالْجَآنَّ خَلَقْنَـهُ مِن قَبْلُ مِن نَّارِ السَّمُومِ ]

26. And indeed, We created man from dried (sounding) clay of altered mud.)

27. And the Jinn, We created earlier from the smokeless flame of fire.)

The Substances from which Mankind and Jinns were created

Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid and Qatadah said that Salsal means dry mud. The apparent meaning is similar to the Ayah:

[خَلَقَ الإِنسَـنَ مِن صَلْصَـلٍ كَالْفَخَّارِ - وَخَلَقَ الْجَآنَّ مِن مَّارِجٍ مِّن نَّارٍ ]

He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the potter's clay, And He created the Jinns from a smokeless flame of fire. (55:14-15)

It was also reported from Mujahid that,

[صَلْصَـلٍ]

�dried (sounding) clay� means "putrid'', but it is more appropriate to interpret an Ayah with another Ayah.

[مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ]

�of altered mud� means the dried clay that comes from mud, which is soil. "Altered'' here means smooth.

[وَالْجَآنَّ خَلَقْنَـهُ مِن قَبْلُ]

�And the Jinn, We created earlier� means before creating humans.

[مِن نَّارِ السَّمُومِ]

�from the smokeless flame of fire�.

Ibn `Abbas said, "It is the smokeless flame that kills.'' Abu Dawud At-Tayalisi said that Shu`bah narrated to them from Abu Ishaq, who said: "I visited `Umar Al-Asamm when he was sick, and he said: `Shall I not tell you a Hadith that I heard from `Abdullah bin Mas`ud He said: `This smokeless flame is one of the seventy parts of the smokeless fire from which the Jinn where created. Then he recited,

[وَالْجَآنَّ خَلَقْنَـهُ مِن قَبْلُ مِن نَّارِ السَّمُومِ ]

�And the Jinn, We created earlier from the smokeless flame of fire�

The following is found in the Sahih,

�خُلِقَتِ الْمَلَائِكَةُ مِنْ نُورٍ، وَخُلِقَتِ الْجَانُّ مِنْ مَارِجٍ مِنْ نَارٍ، وَخُلِقَ آدَمُ مِمَّا وُصِفَ لَكُم�

�The angels were created from light, the Jinn were created from a smokeless flame of fire, and Adam was created from that which has been described to you.�

The Ayah is intended to point out the noble nature, good essence and pure origin of Adam.

[وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَـئِكَةِ إِنِّى خَـلِقٌ بَشَرًا مِّن صَلْصَـلٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ - فَإِذَا سَوَّيْتُهُ وَنَفَخْتُ فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِى فَقَعُواْ لَهُ سَـجِدِينَ - فَسَجَدَ الْمَلَـئِكَةُ كُلُّهُمْ أَجْمَعُونَ - إِلاَّ إِبْلِيسَ أَبَى أَن يَكُونَ مَعَ السَّـجِدِينَ - قَالَ يإِبْلِيسُ مَا لَكَ أَلاَّ تَكُونَ مَعَ السَّـجِدِينَ - قَالَ لَمْ أَكُن لاًّسْجُدَ لِبَشَرٍ خَلَقْتَهُ مِن صَلْصَـلٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ ]

28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from dried (sounding) clay of altered mud. ''

29. "So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) of My spirit (the soul which I created for him,) then fall down, prostrating yourselves before him.''

 



Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 10 December 2008 at 5:56am

Assalamualaikum Brother.

I repeat here this verse from Allah Himself - Allah Most High says in the Holy Qur�an (15:26-29) that when He created man from black mud and fashioned him into the beautiful shape of a human being, and made him complete,

According to your post above, you are only describing and quoting verses from the Alquran and hadiths about the creations of our physical part. And you are not at all wrong there. Now is there any explanation or elaboration on the second part where Allah said HE BREATHED INTO MAN HIS SOUL FROM HIS OWN SOUL.
 
The proof of tasawwuf dear brother is all within ourselves. Tasawwuf needs alot of self reflection (Muhasabah) - Literally meaning reckoning, settling the accounts and self-interrogation, Muh�sabah (self-criticism) is that a believer always reviews whatever he says and does every day or even every hour, good or bad, right or wrong. He also thanks God for the good he has done and tries to erase his sins and deviations by asking God to forgive him and he amends his errors and sins by repentance and remorse. Muh�sabah is the very important and serious attempt of a believer to assert himself in his loyalty to God. http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/muhasabah.htm - http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/muhasabah.htm
 
And Muraqabah - Self Supervision -

Meaning watching, superintending, controlling and living in consciousness of being controlled, mur�qabah has been defined by the sufis as setting one�s heart solely on God  without attachment to anything other than Him and holding one�s carnal self back from all forbidden things and acts in the conviction that the Divine Knowledge encompasses all things, and living in accordance with Divine commandments. We can also interpret mur�qabah as trying to observe whatever God wills and leading a life in utmost sincerity, in the consciousness of being always supervised by God Almighty. This is possible through conviction that the Almighty sees whatever man does, hears whatever he says, knows whatever he conceives of and occurs to him and records it whatever issues from man. In the verse, In whatever state you may be, and whichever part of the Qur�an you recite, and whatever deed you do, We are witnesses over you when you are deeply engrossed therein (10.61), the Qur�an reminds us of this. http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/muraqabah.htm - http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/muraqabah.htm

If you read this article sincerely, you will observe that tasawwuf is really about ihsan. What did you define ihsan in the beginning of this thread? =
In Islam, Ihsaan is the Muslim responsibility to obtain perfection, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excellence - excellence , in worship, such that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims - Muslims try to worship God (Arabic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah - Allah ) as if they see Him, and although they cannot see Him(Due to believing Allah is not made of materials), they undoubtedly believe he is constantly watching over them.
 
And that tells me why you are quoting from their writings and not copying from the Qur'an or the translation of the meanings of the verses
 
I had numerous times quoted from the AlQuran and Hadiths, but I guess you are not looking with your inner eye only your physical one. That is why it escapes your attention. The more reason you should learn about tasawwuf my brother. It cleanses ones soul and make you feel close to Our Creator. Anyway, The Quran is only a guide, the whole of this universe is written in the Quran, but only clues here and there. It is we who have to seek more using these holy verses as our guidelines. Like what AlQuran did to science. Same with Tasawwuf.
 
There is a Sufi saying that goes - Know yourself before you know God.
 
Salam.


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 11 December 2008 at 6:43am
Originally posted by nothing nothing wrote:

[QUOTE=abosait]
...............
But I don't understand the 2nd part Abosait.

In this world it is our mouth that speaks, our hands that type, our ears that hear (and not the Ruh).

But Nur Ilahi says it is the Ruh that is talking/hearing/typing.

In support of my claim I had quoted the following verse which proves that in this life our mouths speak whereas in the hereafter, on the day of judgement, our mouths will be sealed but hands will speak. (Not Ruh as claimed by Nur.)

36:65 On that Day We shall set a seal on their mouths but their hands will speak unto Us, and their feet will bear witness to whatever they have earned [in life].




Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 11 December 2008 at 7:00am

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Excuse me, Astroman and I are not Sufis. .



You are not bothering to read the Verse even though I have copied and pasted it here but are quoting the misinterpretation from Sufis. Still I dont know why you do not wish to be honoured by the title "Sufi".

And here is that misinterpretation. Please compare it with the Verse and the  translation of meanings from any authentic translation/tafsir.


Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Allah Most High says in the Holy Qur�an (15:26-29) that when He created man from black mud and fashioned him into the beautiful shape of a human being, and made him complete, HE BREATHED INTO MAN HIS SOUL FROM HIS OWN SOUL.




Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Allah had lent 7 of His Sifahs in our souls.

 - Power - Will - Knowledge - Life - The ability to see - The ability to hear - The ability of speech/..............



Hey, Nur----what are you trying to prove?

Animals also hear. They speak in their own language. They also see, think and act wisely.


Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

There are many verses in the Quran that reiterates the power of the Soul.



Kindly provide reference such as chapter/Ayat number etc.




Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 11 December 2008 at 7:20am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Assalamualaikum Brother.

  • The Quran is only a guide,
  • the whole of this universe is written in the Quran,
  • but only clues here and there.
  • It is we who have to seek more....with Tasawwuf.


Thanks Nur. You have proved that Sufis belittle the Qur'an and Sunnah.



Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 11 December 2008 at 6:24pm
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Allah had lent 7 of His Sifahs in our souls.



"lent", the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_tense - past tense and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_participle - past participle of the verb " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lending - lend ".

transitive verb

  • " to give for temporary use on condition that the same or its equivalent be returned <lend me your pen>"
And once someone lends a thing to someone else it remains with the one to whom it is lent untill it is returned back.

You say "Allah lent 7 of His Sifahs..." Now my question to Nur is "if what you say is true has He taken back those 7 sifahs or is He still living without them as He has lent them?" (Astagfirullah).



Posted By: nothing
Date Posted: 11 December 2008 at 11:38pm
Originally posted by abosait abosait wrote:

Originally posted by nothing nothing wrote:

[QUOTE=abosait]
...............
But I don't understand the 2nd part Abosait.

In this world it is our mouth that speaks, our hands that type, our ears that hear (and not the Ruh).

But Nur Ilahi says it is the Ruh that is talking/hearing/typing.

In support of my claim I had quoted the following verse which proves that in this life our mouths speak whereas in the hereafter, on the day of judgement, our mouths will be sealed but hands will speak. (Not Ruh as claimed by Nur.)

36:65 On that Day We shall set a seal on their mouths but their hands will speak unto Us, and their feet will bear witness to whatever they have earned [in life].


 
In my opinion the body organ without spiritual guidance will only act according to the program in it. We know there are no mouth in our hands or feet therefore they don't "speak".
 
In the judgement day and/or after it we can not lie - because our ability to manipulate answers will be removed. In short, every accusation to the accused will be replied by accused with physical acts in mimicking what they used to do.
 
Regardless of what religious association the person concern belong to formerly, they will act as they used to do. If they were good people they will do good. If they were bad they will do bad.
 
Just my opinion.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 12 December 2008 at 4:29am

Originally posted by nothing nothing wrote:


 
In my opinion................



 No place for human opinions / guesswork on the unseen future

Allah has full knowledge of the future and a Muslim believes word by word what the Qur'an says.


36:65 On that Day We shall set a seal on their mouths but their hands will speak unto Us, and their feet will bear witness to whatever they have earned [in life].

Al-Baqara (The Cow)

2:130 And who, unless he be weak of mind, would want to abandon Abraham's creed, seeing that We have indeed raised him high in this world, and that, verily, in the life to come he shall be among the righteous?

وَمَن يَرْغَبُ عَن مِّلَّةِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ إِلاَّ مَن سَفِهَ نَفْسَهُ وَلَقَدِ اصْطَفَيْنَاهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَإِنَّهُ فِي الآخِرَةِ لَمِنَ الصَّالِحِينَ (2:130)

http://mediaserver.hadi.org:8080/ramgen/ra170/Minshawi/s2a130.rm?mode=compact -

Al-Baqara (The Cow)

2:131 When his Sustainer said to him, "Surrender thyself unto Me!" - he answered, "I have surrendered myself unto [Thee,] the Sustainer of all the worlds."

إِذْ قَالَ لَهُ رَبُّهُ أَسْلِمْ قَالَ أَسْلَمْتُ لِرَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ (2:131)



Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 12 December 2008 at 6:09pm
Dear Brother Abosait,
 
Please read my response very carefully.

You wrote - In this world it is our mouth that speaks, our hands that type, our ears that hear (and not the Ruh).

Perhaps you do not realize that without your Ruh, you cannot even move your tongue.

In support of my claim I had quoted the following verse which proves that in this life our mouths speak whereas in the hereafter, on the day of judgement, our mouths will be sealed but hands will speak. (Not Ruh as claimed by Nur.)

If you dig any grave, mostly what can you find? Just skeletons only. Where is the mouth and the tongue and the ears and the eyes? Then who is it that answers Angel Munkar when he asks - Maa Rabbuka? - Who is your God? Maa Imamuka? - Who is your Imam? Maa Deenuka? - What is your religion?

Please do not evade this question. This is a very important question because the questioning in the grave is real. 

Still I dont know why you do not wish to be honoured by the title "Sufi".

I will feel very guilty and very deceitful for taking this honour, when in reality, I am far from one. I can lie to others, but I cannot lie to myself.

Hey, Nur----what are you trying to prove?

I am just trying to prove that the Ruh is the one that enables us to see, to hear, that have power, the will, the knowledge and is alive. The Ruh that Allah indeed �lent� to us and will be returned to him. Something that is entrusted to us pure when we were born and should be returned to Him as pure as possible. And only Tasawwuf can purify the Ruh or the Soul.

As an example, a dead man has a tongue and a mouth, but can he speak? He has a pair of eyes, can he even open it? He has a pair of ears? If you call him, can he answer? He has a brain, but where is the knowledge? If someone like Bush dies, where is his power?

Animals also hear. They speak in their own language. They also see, think and act wisely.

Correct. But then why are not they be answerable to Allah? The reason is because they are not given the �aqal or intellect. A monkey of 3000 years ago is still a monkey today.

There are many verses in the Quran that reiterates the power of the Soul.

Kindly provide reference such as chapter/Ayat number etc.
This requires a separate response below.

Thanks Nur. You have proved that Sufis belittle the Qur'an and Sunnah.

I think it is not the Sufis that belittle AlQuran and AsSunnah, but people like you.

I have quoted many verses of The Quran and Hadiths to support the claim that Tasawwuf is part of Islam (Ihsaan), yet you refuse to even ponder about it.

Hadith al-Qudsi that Allah has said: "I was a Hidden Treasure, and I longed that I should be known. So I Created creation, that I might be known."

His signs to them and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom" (Koran 3:164),

 لَقَدْ مَنَّ اللَّهُ عَلَى الْمُؤمِنِينَ إِذْ بَعَثَ فِيهِمْ رَسُولاً مِّنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ يَتْلُواْ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَايَـتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَـبَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَإِن كَانُواْ مِن قَبْلُ لَفِى ضَلَـلٍ مُّبِينٍ

Now my question to Nur is "if what you say is true has He taken back those 7 sifahs or is He still living without them as He has lent them?" (Astagfirullah).

Astaghfirullah! You do not seem to understand the Qudrah and Iradhah of Allah Subhanahuwataala. It is pointless to talk to you about Sufism, when you do not even know the basic source of Tasawwuf that is Ihsaan.

"You talk about loving God while you disobey Him;
I swear by my life that this is something very strange..
If you were truthful in your love, you would obey Him,
For a lover obeys whom he loves. : - Rabi'atul Adawiyah.



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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 12 December 2008 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


There are many verses in the Quran that reiterates the power of the Soul.

Kindly provide reference such as chapter/Ayat number etc.
This requires a separate response below.

 
فَإِذَا سَوَّيْتُهُ وَنَفَخْتُ فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِى فَقَعُواْ لَهُ سَـجِدِينَ
So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) of My spirit (the soul which I created for him,) then fall down, prostrating yourselves before him.''
 

Levels of the Nafs

1. Nafs-i-Ammara, the Commanding Nafs

Behold! The commanding nafs encourages evil, except when my Lord bestows mercy. (Qur'an 12:53)

وَمَآ أُبَرِّىءُ نَفْسِى إِنَّ النَّفْسَ لأَمَّارَةٌ بِالسُّوءِ

Traits: narcissistic, mechanical, conditioned, non-reflective, impulsive.

Habits: pride, enmity, cruelty, lust, stinginess.
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2. Nafs-i-Lawwama: Blaming Nafs

But I swear by the accusing nafs that this Scripture is true. (Qur'an 75:2)

وَلاَ أُقْسِمُ بِالنَّفْسِ اللَّوَّامَةِ

Traits: conscience, capacity for self-observation.

Habits: backbiting, trickery, conceitedness, hypocrisy, self-consciousness, guilt, fearfulness, wishful thinking, intense desire to please others.
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3. Nafs-i-Mulhama: Inspired Nafs

And a nafs and Him who gave order to it and inspired it with a sense of what is wrong for it and what is right for it. (Qur'an 91:8)

فَأَلْهَمَهَا فُجُورَهَا وَتَقْوَاهَا

Traits: generosity, gratitude, modesty, empathy, ardent desire.

Habits: liberality lacking discrimination, mystical inflation, tendency toward spiritual greed.

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4. Nafs-i-Mutmaina: Tranquil Nafs

To the righteous soul will be said, "O, you nafs in complete peace and satisfaction!" (Qur'an 89:27)

يأَيَّتُهَا النَّفْسُ الْمُطْمَئِنَّةُ

Traits: dignity, sincerity, courage, compassion, complete loyalty.

Habits: Attachment to spiritual ambition.
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5. Nafs-i-Radziyya: Satisfied Nafs

Return to your Lord, content (Qur'an 89:28)

ارْجِعِى إِلَى رَبِّكِ رَاضِيَةً مَّرْضِيَّةً

Traits: endurance, resignation, constancy.

Habits: personal identification with affliction.
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6. Nafs-i-Mardiyyah: Satisfying Nafs

for His being pleased with you! (Qur'an 89:28)

ارْجِعِى إِلَى رَبِّكِ رَاضِيَةً مَّرْضِيَّةً

Traits: knowledge of Allah, sincerity, unbounded faith and hope in existential communion.

Habits: mystical intoxication, lack of sobriety and balance.
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7. Nafs-i-Safiyyah: Purified Nafs

This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favor to you, and have chosen for you as your religion Islam. (Qur'an 5:3)

الْيَوْمَ يَئِسَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمْ فَلاَ تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِ الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِى وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الأِسْلاَمَ دِيناً فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ فِى مَخْمَصَةٍ غَيْرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ لإِثْمٍ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

Traits: freedom from duality, acceptance of Allah's will, joy of union, freedom from expectation, contentment.

Habits: None remaining.

http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/fighting_the_enemy_within.htm - http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/fighting_the_enemy_within.htm


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 1:33am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


There are many verses in the Quran that reiterates the power of the Soul.

Kindly provide reference such as chapter/Ayat number etc.
This requires a separate response below.
..............................................



As far as I can see only three of the verses quoted by you deal with Nafs. You have not provided transl;ation of the meanings of most of the verses.

The verse number/chapter is necessary because a verse cannot be understood if taken in isolation in most cases. The verses prceding and following should be read to know the context and to understand the meaning. Moreover the Hadith related to those verses will be necessary to understand the meaning as understood by the Sahaba.

Further I would like to remind you that making your own interpretations picking out individual verses/fragments of a verse out of context will most likely lead you far far away from the Truth.



Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 2:14am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Levels of the Nafs

1. Nafs-i-Ammara, the Commanding Nafs

Behold! The commanding nafs encourages evil, except when my Lord bestows mercy. (Qur'an 12:53]..........................

2. Nafs-i-Lawwama: Blaming Nafs

But I swear by the accusing nafs that this Scripture is true. (Qur'an 75:2)...............................

3. Nafs-i-Mulhama: Inspired Nafs

And a nafs and Him who gave order to it and inspired it with a sense of what is wrong for it and what is right for it. (Qur'an 91:8)..............................

4. Nafs-i-Mutmaina: Tranquil Nafs

To the righteous soul will be said, "O, you nafs in complete peace and satisfaction!" (Qur'an 89:27).................................

5. Nafs-i-Radziyya: Satisfied Nafs

Return to your Lord, content (Qur'an 89:28).......................................

6. Nafs-i-Mardiyyah: Satisfying Nafs

for His being pleased with you! (Qur'an 89:28)....................

7. Nafs-i-Safiyyah: Purified Nafs

This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favor to you, and have chosen for you as your religion Islam. (Qur'an 5:3)..................

http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/fighting_the_enemy_within.htm -


The Different States of Each Nafs:

1. NAFS AL-MUTAMAINNA - the Satisfied Soul.

"0 you satisfied soul. Return to your Lord pleased with yourself and pleasing to Him. Enter among My servants. And enter My paradise".(Soorah Al Fajr (89) :27-30)


2. NAFS AL AMMARA BIS SU' - the soul that dictates evil.

"And I do not free myself from blame. Indeed the human self is inclined to evil, except when my Lord bestows His Mercy (upon whom He wills). Indeed my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful." (Soorah Yusuf v 53)

3. NAFS AL LAWWAMA - the Self-reproaching soul.

"I do call to witness the Resurrection Day. And I do call to witness the self-reproaching Soul." (Soorah Al Qiyamah v 1-2)


The noblest of the souls is the satisfied soul, which at its last moments on earth will receive the glad news from its lord of "Enter among My servants and enter into my Paradise."

In contrast is the soul which inspires evil and disobedience.

And between these two extreme states is the self-reproaching soul which checks its actions and blames itself when it commits evil.

Most souls hover between these different states depending on the person's faith and actions.

1. Nafs Mutmainna: The Qur'aan explains how one can achieve the noble state of the satisfied soul.

"Indeed, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find satisfaction." (Soorah Al-Ra'd (12): 28)


The Qur'aan is the voice of Al-Rahman just as music is the voice of Satan.

If the evil-inspiring soul finds solace in music, dance and its paraphernalia, the satisfied soul finds its peace and consolation in the Qur'aan, prayer and the company of the righteous.

The satisfied soul has such a deep conviction in Allah and the Last Day that never is it upset by the sorrows or demands of this world.


During his return from a Jihad expedition, the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) once sat down to rest under the shade of a tree far from his devout companions.

A Makkan called Chawrath bin Al Harith saw his golden chance and came forward with his sword drawn: "0 Muhammad. Who is going to save you from me now?"

Calm and un-fearing, the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) stood tall and replied simply, "Allah!".

The man was surprised into confusion by this simple answer and unconsciously dropped his sword. The Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) immediately picked up the sword and asked, "Tell me who will save you now?".

The man quietly answered, "There is no god worthy of worship but Allah."


Illness, financial worries, loss of property or death of dear ones do not cause the satisfied soul to wail, curse or lament.

Whenever it faces any problems it simply say, "To Allah we belong and to Him we shall return" and faces the misfortune with patience and trust in its Lord.

Such are the souls described in the Qur'aan;

"Be sure, We shall test you with something of fear, hunger, some loss of goods or lives or fruits of your toils. But give glad tidings to those who are patient. Those who say, when afflicted by calamity: 'To Allah we belong and to Him we shall return'." (Soorah Al Baqarah (2): 155-156)


The satisfied soul believes that all happiness and sorrow is by the decree of Allah.

It therefore feels no need to lament at misfortunes or to boast at success.

"No misfortune can happen on earth or to your soul but it is written in a decree before We bring it into existence. That is truly easy for Allah. In order that you may not despair over matters that pass you by, nor exult in favors bestowed upon you, for Allah loves not the vain boasters.' (Soorah Al Hadid (57): 22-23)


No worldly anxieties upset the satisfied soul.

If it fails to acquire something for which it has struggled for many years, it will accept its destiny and remember the following words of the Prophet of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) :

"What has reached you was never meant to escape you and what has escaped you was never meant to reach you." (Muwadih by Al-Khateeb Al-Baghdadi)


The satisfied soul seeks its nourishment in Dhikr (the remembrance of Allah), prayer, fasting, Zakat and Hajj.

It relies heavily for support on the branches of faith, the highest of which is to say and believe in "There is no god worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah", and the lowliest of which is to remove an obstacle from the path.

Angels are present to strengthen this soul and to bless and greet it when it departs this material life, when it is resurrected and when it is admitted into the gardens of paradise.

Their greeting to it is the greeting of a Muslim to his fellow Muslim: "Peace be unto you";

"And those who feared their Lord will be led to the Paradise in crowds; until they arrive there, its gates are opened and its keepers will say: 'Peace be upon you! Well have you done. Enter here and dwell forever'." (Soorah Az Zumar (39) 73)


2. Nafs ammara bis su'

In contrast this soul which earns the company of satan because it ignores the remembrance of Allah.


"The one who withdraws himself from the remembrance of the Merciful, We appoint for him a satan to be a companion to him." (Soorah Az-Zukhruf (43)" 36)


Satan's cohorts and tunes surround the evil soul day and night. It drives from one satanic act to other.

You will see it lying and cheating, wasting time on leisure and sports, frequenting cinemas and concerts, listening to music and dancing.

As one contemporary writer said, "The godless society's motto is 'work and play', while the motto of the god-conscious society is, 'work and pray; "!


3. Nafs Lawwama

The self-reproaching soul succumbs to evil inspirations but then regrets its actions and reproaches itself for being weak and vulnerable.

These feelings of remorse cause it to turn back to Allah, to repent sincerely, and to receive spiritual solace.

It is better for each Nafs to blame itself whenever it commits a wrong. If not, it will find itself being blamed from all those around it.

Consider how the self-reproaching soul is mentioned with the Day of Resurrection in the Qur'aan.

"I do call to witness the Resurrection Day. And I do call to witness the self-reproaching soul." (Surah Al Qiyarnah v 1-2)


There is a common factor between these two entities, which is that both are courts of justice.

The Nafs al Lawwama is an inner court of justice within each person; when he acts wrongfully. his conscience or soul reprimands him, and it is then up to him to pay heed to it or to ignore it.

Besides placing an inner court of justice within each person, the Creator has also prepared a larger Court which will operate on the Final Day and will mete out justice to all of mankind.





Posted By: nothing
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 3:31am
Did you compile all of this yourself Abosait?
 
Originally posted by abosait abosait wrote:


The Different States of Each Nafs:

1. NAFS AL-MUTAMAINNA - the Satisfied Soul.

"0 you satisfied soul. Return to your Lord pleased with yourself and pleasing to Him. Enter among My servants. And enter My paradise".(Soorah Al Fajr (89) :27-30)


2. NAFS AL AMMARA BIS SU' - the soul that dictates evil.

"And I do not free myself from blame. Indeed the human self is inclined to evil, except when my Lord bestows His Mercy (upon whom He wills). Indeed my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful." (Soorah Yusuf v 53)

3. NAFS AL LAWWAMA - the Self-reproaching soul.

"I do call to witness the Resurrection Day. And I do call to witness the self-reproaching Soul." (Soorah Al Qiyamah v 1-2)


The noblest of the souls is the satisfied soul, which at its last moments on earth will receive the glad news from its lord of "Enter among My servants and enter into my Paradise."

In contrast is the soul which inspires evil and disobedience.

And between these two extreme states is the self-reproaching soul which checks its actions and blames itself when it commits evil.

Most souls hover between these different states depending on the person's faith and actions.

1. Nafs Mutmainna: The Qur'aan explains how one can achieve the noble state of the satisfied soul.

"Indeed, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find satisfaction." (Soorah Al-Ra'd (12): 28)


The Qur'aan is the voice of Al-Rahman just as music is the voice of Satan.

If the evil-inspiring soul finds solace in music, dance and its paraphernalia, the satisfied soul finds its peace and consolation in the Qur'aan, prayer and the company of the righteous.

The satisfied soul has such a deep conviction in Allah and the Last Day that never is it upset by the sorrows or demands of this world.


During his return from a Jihad expedition, the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) once sat down to rest under the shade of a tree far from his devout companions.

A Makkan called Chawrath bin Al Harith saw his golden chance and came forward with his sword drawn: "0 Muhammad. Who is going to save you from me now?"

Calm and un-fearing, the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) stood tall and replied simply, "Allah!".

The man was surprised into confusion by this simple answer and unconsciously dropped his sword. The Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) immediately picked up the sword and asked, "Tell me who will save you now?".

The man quietly answered, "There is no god worthy of worship but Allah."


Illness, financial worries, loss of property or death of dear ones do not cause the satisfied soul to wail, curse or lament.

Whenever it faces any problems it simply say, "To Allah we belong and to Him we shall return" and faces the misfortune with patience and trust in its Lord.

Such are the souls described in the Qur'aan;

"Be sure, We shall test you with something of fear, hunger, some loss of goods or lives or fruits of your toils. But give glad tidings to those who are patient. Those who say, when afflicted by calamity: 'To Allah we belong and to Him we shall return'." (Soorah Al Baqarah (2): 155-156)


The satisfied soul believes that all happiness and sorrow is by the decree of Allah.

It therefore feels no need to lament at misfortunes or to boast at success.

"No misfortune can happen on earth or to your soul but it is written in a decree before We bring it into existence. That is truly easy for Allah. In order that you may not despair over matters that pass you by, nor exult in favors bestowed upon you, for Allah loves not the vain boasters.' (Soorah Al Hadid (57): 22-23)


No worldly anxieties upset the satisfied soul.

If it fails to acquire something for which it has struggled for many years, it will accept its destiny and remember the following words of the Prophet of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) :

"What has reached you was never meant to escape you and what has escaped you was never meant to reach you." (Muwadih by Al-Khateeb Al-Baghdadi)


The satisfied soul seeks its nourishment in Dhikr (the remembrance of Allah), prayer, fasting, Zakat and Hajj.

It relies heavily for support on the branches of faith, the highest of which is to say and believe in "There is no god worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah", and the lowliest of which is to remove an obstacle from the path.

Angels are present to strengthen this soul and to bless and greet it when it departs this material life, when it is resurrected and when it is admitted into the gardens of paradise.

Their greeting to it is the greeting of a Muslim to his fellow Muslim: "Peace be unto you";

"And those who feared their Lord will be led to the Paradise in crowds; until they arrive there, its gates are opened and its keepers will say: 'Peace be upon you! Well have you done. Enter here and dwell forever'." (Soorah Az Zumar (39) 73)


2. Nafs ammara bis su'

In contrast this soul which earns the company of satan because it ignores the remembrance of Allah.


"The one who withdraws himself from the remembrance of the Merciful, We appoint for him a satan to be a companion to him." (Soorah Az-Zukhruf (43)" 36)


Satan's cohorts and tunes surround the evil soul day and night. It drives from one satanic act to other.

You will see it lying and cheating, wasting time on leisure and sports, frequenting cinemas and concerts, listening to music and dancing.

As one contemporary writer said, "The godless society's motto is 'work and play', while the motto of the god-conscious society is, 'work and pray; "!


3. Nafs Lawwama

The self-reproaching soul succumbs to evil inspirations but then regrets its actions and reproaches itself for being weak and vulnerable.

These feelings of remorse cause it to turn back to Allah, to repent sincerely, and to receive spiritual solace.

It is better for each Nafs to blame itself whenever it commits a wrong. If not, it will find itself being blamed from all those around it.

Consider how the self-reproaching soul is mentioned with the Day of Resurrection in the Qur'aan.

"I do call to witness the Resurrection Day. And I do call to witness the self-reproaching soul." (Surah Al Qiyarnah v 1-2)


There is a common factor between these two entities, which is that both are courts of justice.

The Nafs al Lawwama is an inner court of justice within each person; when he acts wrongfully. his conscience or soul reprimands him, and it is then up to him to pay heed to it or to ignore it.

Besides placing an inner court of justice within each person, the Creator has also prepared a larger Court which will operate on the Final Day and will mete out justice to all of mankind.





Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 4:09am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

If you dig any grave, mostly what can you find? Just skeletons only. Where is the mouth and the tongue and the ears and the eyes? Then who is it that answers Angel Munkar when he asks - Maa Rabbuka? - Who is your God? Maa Imamuka? - Who is your Imam? Maa Deenuka? - What is your religion?

         The souls of all people, believers and unbelievers, are taken up to the heavens at the time of death by angels and presented to Allah Almighty.

 

         The record of the believer�s deeds is placed in a high place in heaven called Illiyyin and the sinner�s record is thrown into the lowest earth known as Sijjin.

         "Nay! Truly the record of the evil-doers is preserved in Sijjin. And what will explain to you what Sijjin is? A register inscribed. Nay! Truly the record of the pious is preserved in Illiyyin. And what will make you know what Illiyyin is? A Register inscribed. To which bear witness those nearest to Allah (i.e. the angels).? (Soorah Al-Mutaffifin v 7-9, 18-21)

 

        The souls are returned to their bodies temporarily for questioning by the angels.

 

        When the soul returns, the dead person is able to hear the retreating footsteps of the men who came to bury him. This is an exception to the general rule in the Qur'aan that the dead cannot hear the living.

 

         �Verily, you cannot make the dead to hear, nor can you make the deaf hear the call when they flee, turning their backs.� (Surah An Naml v 80)

�Nor are alike the living and the dead. Verily, Allah makes whom He will hear, but you cannot make those in the graves hear.� (Surah Fatir v. 22)

        The blessed soul is taken to the heavens where it is changed into a bird and eats freely from the fruits in paradise. It rests in a state of peaceful sleep while the cool breezes of paradise flow gently over it. In contrast is the sinner�s soul, which is thrown with contempt into the lowest earth to feel the savage heat and stench of hell. Both kinds of soul reside in the same places as their Records of deeds.

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

I am just trying to prove that the Ruh ����� should be returned to Him as pure as possible. And only Tasawwuf can purify the Ruh or the Soul.

The torture of the grave is for the soul (Ruh), but if Allah Wills, it can also be felt by the body. The human body has to decay and decompose into the ground, but as the punishment of the grave is for the soul, it can continue until the Last Day.

Thus the false theory of Suufis that the soul will merge back into the creator is disproved.





Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 13 December 2008 at 5:36am
Dear Abosait,
 
This post of yours is very good. Very good indeed. It is not contradicting Tasawwuf at all , but instead it is confirming it. And for that, I will say Jazakallahu khairan.
 
However these explanations did not delve deeply as to how we achieve from level to the next. Just as the command for prayers is in the Quran, however the time for each prayer was not stated. Jibril came down to teach Muhammad how to pray and when to pray.
 
So is tasawwuf. Rasulullah prayed till his legs became swollen and he was oblivious of it. Ali prayed and did not feel the effect of any pain from removing the arrow, Abu Bakar wept constantly when he prays. These were proof that they were practising Ihsaan - to worship Allah as if you see Him, if not He definitely sees you.
 
Abosait, if you say that Tasawwuf is bidaah, then you obviously are accusing Rasulullah, Ali bin Abi Talib, Abu Bakar, all the sufi masters like Abdul Qadir Jailani, Hassan Albasri, Rabiatul Adawiyah, Ar-Rumi, AlHallaj and many others as bidaah too.
 
I just hope that one day you will find the beauty of Tasawwuf because you can only feel the beauty of it thru personal experience with Allah Subhanahuwataala.
 
That is why Tasawwuf is a reality.
 
Assalamualaikum warahmatullahiwabarakatuh.
 


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 17 December 2008 at 9:24am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

 
These were proof that they were practising Ihsaan - to worship Allah as if you see Him, if not He definitely sees you.
 
And Insha Allah you can also try to practice Ihsaan and seek the reward from Allah if you so desire but dont confuse into believing that Sufism is same as Ihsaan.
 
 


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 18 December 2008 at 4:05am

Sufism is a term given by the West.

In Islam there is only Tasawwuf, not Sufism.
 
By the way Abosait, you have so much more to learn. Keep on learning.
 
I just wish you the best of luck.
 
Salam alaikum.


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 19 December 2008 at 2:52am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Sufism is a term given by the West.



It doesnt make any difference whether  you call it by the name given by the East or by the name given by the West.

Every newly introduced matter in deen
 is Bidah and every bidah is misguidance and every misguidance will lead to hellfire.

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:



In Islam there is only Tasawwuf, not Sufism.
 


What is the difference between the two?

As far as my knowledge goes, Tasawwuf, Isl�mic Mysticism, Esoteric Isl�m, or Sufic Psychology are terms used inter-changeably to mean the same word 'Sufism'.

Sufism is a blend of various thoughts and philosophies. By intermingling a few traces of Islamic teachings with it, the Sufi thinkers attempted to sanctify their doctrines and demonstrate its conformity to Islam.

Greek philosophy, and in particular the teachings of Neo-Platonists, have left an indelible mark on many aspects of Sufism.

This came about as a result of the translation of Greek philosophical
works into Arabic during the third Islamic century.

Greek pantheism became an integral part of Sufi doctrine.

Manicheanism is also one of the mainstreams of Sufism. N. Fatemi observed:
"It is interesting how near to Manichean ideas the Sufis are, remembering that both
Manicheanism and Sufism were nurtured in Persia."

Vedanta, the chief Hindu philosophy, which is an example of pantheism in its metaphysical strictness, also had a great impact on Sufism following the conquest of Sindh by Muhammad b. Qasim in the second century A.H.

Sufi occultism, with its host of philosophical and theosophical doctrines, is beyond doubt antithetical to Islam.

Islam proclaims that the matchless entity and essence of Allah is totally different from that of His slaves, i.e., man.

Sufis, on the contrary, subscribe to the belief that matter, man and God form in effect one single entity and essence.

Ibn Arabi's doctrine of pantheism was a combination of Manichean, Gnostic, Neo-Platonic, Vedantic and Christian philosophies and speculations, which he tried vainly to give an Islamic sanction by relating it to Prophetic traditions.



Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 21 December 2008 at 4:57am

What Is Tasawwuf

Tasawwuf is a branch of Islamic knowledge which focuses on the spiritual development of the Muslim.

Allah sent His final messenger, Prophet Muhammad , as a source of knowledge for the entire ummah. He was the fountain of Quran, Hadith, tafsir, rhetoric, fiqh, and so on. After the Prophet, the scholars of this ummah carried and propagated each of these branches of knowledge. Because no one person can attain the perfection of the Prophet , who single handedly assumed all of these roles, various branches of the Islamic sciences developed. For example, Imam Abu Hanifah preserved the science of fiqh and after him thousands of scholars continued in his footsteps. Hence these scholars preserved the fiqh of the Prophet . Similarly Imam Bukhari and the other famous scholars of Hadith, preserved the words of the Prophet. The scholars of tajweed preserved the recitation of the Prophet . And, the scholars of Arabic grammar preserved the language of the Prophet .

Along these lines, the Prophet was the model of spirituality for the world. His God-consciousness, deep spirituality, acts of worship, and love for Allah were preserved and propagated by an Islamic science called Tasawwuf. The aim of the scholars of this science was purification of the heart, and development of consciousness of Allah through submission to the shariah and sunnah.

How is Tasawwuf Related to Sufism?

Studying the life of the Prophet , the scholars who propagated the science of tasawwuf understood that a requisite for approaching Allah was abandonment of the common pursuits of the world. They often wore wool because of its simplicity and low cost. In Arabic the word for wool is suf and thus, those who wore it became known as the Sufis. Another possible derivation of the word comes from the root word safa, which means "to clean." Because the scholars of tasawwuf focused on cleansing the heart, they later became known as the Sufis.

 


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 21 December 2008 at 5:02am

What Do Our Scholars Say About Tasawwuf?

Traditional Islamic scholars have accepted Tasawwuf as an important branch of Islamic learning, so long as it remains within the guidelines of the Shariah and emphasizes following the Sunnah of the Prophet .

  • http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/rabbani_moderation.htm - On Moderation - Imam Rabbani (may Allah be pleased with him)
  • http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/ghazali_fasting.htm - The Inner Dimensions of Fasting - Imam Abu Hamid al-Ghazali (may Allah be pleased with him)
  • http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/maulana_jami.htm - Maulana Jami - Excerpts from the poems of Maulana Jami (may Allah be pleased with him)
  • http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/maulana_saadi.htm - Maulana Saadi - Excerpts from the poems of Maulana Saadi (may Allah be pleased with him)
  • http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/thanwi_tasawwuf.htm - What is Tasawwuf? - Condensed from the writings of Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (may Allah be pleased with him)
  • http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/fighting_ego.htm - Fighting the Ego - Imam Nawawi (may Allah be pleased with him)

I Have Heard That Sufis Teach Praying At Graves, Dancing, Music, And Other Innovations?

It is true that there have been, and currently are, people who have deviated from the teachings of tasawwuf, thus misrepresenting this science. This is not unique to tasawwuf. Our history is full of examples of people who called themselves scholars of tafsir, or hadith while misrepresenting the essence of these sciences. Each of the Islamic sciences is interlinked and bounded by its sister sciences. For example, a scholar of tafsir cannot interpret the Quran by contradicting the hadith. Similarly a true shaykh of tasawwuf (sufism) never breaks even the smallest tenets of the shariah or the sunnah. Rather, he sees them as the means of his progress towards his Lord. In fact, he prefers death over falling into even a minute sin.

I saw a holy man on the seashore wounded by a tiger.
No medicine could relieve his pain; He suffered much,
but he nevertheless constantly thanked God, the most high, saying,
"Praise be to Allah that I have fallen into a calamity and not into sin."

If Not All Sufis Are Authentic How Can I Judge Which To Learn From?

Many of our scholars have addressed this question by listing the "signs" of a true shaykh. Needless to say the common principle has always been submission to the shariah, by following the teachings of one of the four schools of fiqh, and a complete submission to the inner and the outer of the sunnah. This is based on the idea that the Prophet is the nearest and most God conscious of Allah's creation. His daily acts are an exemplification of how the most God-conscious of all of creation lived his life. For example, the Prophet's treating others with kindness, soft speech, humility, preference for white clothing, growing of a lengthy beard, use of the tooth stick, etc are all intentional acts of service to Allah . If someone lacks these sunnan, while claiming they can help bring you closer to Allah, know that they will eventually lead you to a dead end.

What Is The Goal Of The Student Of Tasawwuf?

The goal is complete submission to the shariah and sunnah in order to attain purification of the heart and soul and to develop a true, deep, and lasting connection with Allah .

How Can A Shaykh Assist In These Goals?

A shaykh of tasawwuf spends years in training in order to develop his character, mannerisms, daily schedule, outer being, acts of worship, and knowledge under the guidance of a spiritual master. They learn the essence of worship and practical implications of abandonment of the mundane life of this world from those who are models of god-consciousness. Further, they often spend years mastering the Islamic sciences of Hadith, Quran, tafsir, fiqh, etc. Each aspect of their training further connects them through chains of scholars to the Prophet who, of course, was sent to connect creation to their Lord.

When you enter the company of such a shaykh, their knowledge and extensive experience allows them to assess your spiritual state and hence, advise you on the best "medicine" to cure the diseases of your heart. Just as a doctor is trained to cure physical ailments, so the scholars of tasawwuf treat the maladies of the diseased heart.

I Thought That All One Needs Is The Quran And The Sunnah?

It is true that the Quran and the Sunnah are sufficient. However, at the same time it is also true that a teacher is required to master any subject. If the Quran was sufficient, then Allah could have easily sent the book without a messenger. However, he sent the Prophet as a model of the Quran so that people could directly learn from his example. This then became the method of learning for each of the Islamic sciences. For example, each hadith that Imam Bukhari compiled in his collection of hadith is directly linked to the Prophet through a continuous chain of narrators. Thus, each person in the chain must have learned from someone and must be able to state who that person was. Similar requirements are present in other branches of Islamic science as well. The science of tasawwuf is no exception.

Is It Mandatory That I Learn And Develop My Spirituality Under A Shaykh?

The juristic scholars of the ummah have ruled that taking a spiritual guide is a sunnah. That is, it is not mandatory, however, it is the way of the Prophet . However, according to the scholars of this ummah achieving the aims of tasawwuf are mandatory. For example, purifying the heart from pride, rectifying one's character, etc are essential to ones religion. Thus, if one can achieve these goals on their own, they may. However, if one tries and continually fails, it is highly recommended that he seek the assistance of a spiritual doctor.

http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/what_tasawwuf.htm - http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/what_tasawwuf.htm


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 21 December 2008 at 7:31am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

.........They often wore wool because of its simplicity and low cost. In Arabic the word for wool is suf and thus, those who wore it became known as the Sufis.................

 


The early Sufi orders considered the wearing of this coat as an imitation of Isa bin Maryam (Jesus).

In reply to this, Ibn Taymiyyah said:

"There are a people who have chosen and preferred the wearing of woolen clothes, claiming that they want to resemble al-Maseeh ibn Maryam. But the way of our Prophet is more beloved to us, and the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam.s) used to wear cotton and other garments."

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

..............the Prophet was the model of spirituality for the world.

His God-consciousness, deep spirituality, acts of worship, and love for Allah were preserved and propagated by an Islamic science called Tasawwuf....................

 


With the demise of the Companions and their successors, the door became open for the distortion of Islamic Principles.

The enemies of Islam had already burrowed deep into the ranks of Muslims and rapidly caused Fitnah through their spreading of forged hadith and subsequently created new sects such as the Khawaarij and Mu'tazilah. Sufism gained its breeding ground during this period, whereby it gained its support from the Dynastic Rulers, who had deviated from Islam to the extent whereby magic was used as entertainment in their courts, even though magic is considered as Kufr in Islam





Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 21 December 2008 at 7:45am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

A shaykh of tasawwuf spends years in training..............under the guidance of a spiritual master. ...............

..............When you enter the company of such a shaykh, their knowledge and extensive experience allows them to assess your spiritual state and hence, advise you on the best "medicine" to cure the diseases of your heart. ...............



Evidence Against their teachings: their beliefs and practices

Position of the Sheikh and Wali

In Sufism the Sheikh or Wali is given a similar standing as that of a Catholic Saint, or the Dalai Lama himself.

Complete obedience is enforced on his followers, and any questions are deemed as a betrayal of trust:

"The seeker must submit to the will of the Sheikh and to obey him in all his orders and advice, because the Sheikh has more experience and more knowledge in Haqiqat, in Tariqat and in Shari'ah," and "he must agree with the opinion of his Sheikh completely, as the patient agrees with the physician".

But Muslims believe that any single act of worship must be substantiated by the Qur'an and Sunnah only. Allah the Exalted says:

"Say (to them), 'Produce your proof if you are truthful'." [2: 111],

and the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said

"The created is not to be obeyed over the Creator."

  • The Sheikh is given the standing of a deity in Sufism.
  • Attributes which belong to Allah, are also assigned to their Sheikhs.
  • They seek help from them, whether they are dead or 10,000km away.
  • They believe that their sheikhs know everything their students are thinking, and that they converse with the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) on a regular basis (in reality).



Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 21 December 2008 at 7:59am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

What Do Our Scholars Say About Tasawwuf?

  • http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/maulana_jami.htm - Maulana Jami - Excerpts from the poems of Maulana Jami (may Allah be pleased with him)
  • http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/maulana_saadi.htm - Maulana Saadi - Excerpts from the poems of Maulana Saadi (may Allah be pleased with him)
  • Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (may Allah be pleased with him)
  • Imam Nawawi (may Allah be pleased with him)


You have named some moulanas who wrote poetry and some scholars but not quoted what they said.

Please read on to know what the scholars of Islam have said on Sufism.

Imaam Ash-Shaa'fee on Sufism:

"If a person exercised Sufism (Tasawafa) at the beginning of the day, he does not come to Dhuhur except an idiot." [Talbees Iblees].

"Nobody accompanied the Sufis forty days and had his brain return (ever)." [Talbees Iblees].

Concerning the famous Sufi leader, Al-Harith Al-Muhasbi, Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbaal (R) said:

"Warn (people) from Al-Harith (a Sufi leader) the strongest warning!... He is the shelter of the Ahl Kalaam (people of rhetoric)." [Talbees Iblis].

The famous Sheikh Abu Bakr Al-Jaza'iri stated:

"Sufism is a shameful deception which begins with Dhikr and ends with Kufr. Its outward manifestation appears to be piety, but its inward reality forsakes the Commandments of Allah." [Illat-Tasawwuf Yaa Ibadallah].

Ash-Sheikh Muhammad ibn Rabee' ibn Haadee Al-Madkhalee, a well known teacher at the Islamic University of Medinah brings in his book "Haqeeqatus Soofiyyah Fee Dau'il Kitaabi Was Sunnah", the following:

Concerning the practice of the Sufiyyah in wearing woolen clothing as a sign of Zuhd (abstemiousness/disassociation from the wordly life) and in their attempt to mirror the Prophet 'Isa (AS):

"Ibn Taymiyah (R) mentions in Al-Fataawaa (11/7) from Muhammad ibn Seereen (a famous Tabi'ee who died in 110H) that it reached him that a certain people had taken to wearing woollen clothes in order to resemble 'Isa ibn Maryam (AS), so he said: 'There are a people (Sufis) who have chosen and preferred the wearing of woollen clothes, claiming that they want to resemble Al-Maseeh ibn Maryam (AS). But the way of our Prophet (SAAW) is more beloved to us, and the Prophet (SAAW) used to wear cotton and other garments."

Sheikh Al-Madkhalee goes on:

"As regards the first appearance of Sufism, then the word "Sufism" was not known in the time of the Sahabah, indeed it was not well-known in the first three and best centuries. Shaykhul Islam Ibn Taymiyah (R), mentions that the first appearance of Sufism was in Basrah in 'Iraaq, where some people went to extremes in worship and in avoiding the worldly life, such as was not seen in other lands. [Al-Fataawaa (11/6)]."

Commenting on the reaction of the early Sufis while hearing Qur'an being recited (it was their pratice to fall out and act dumb-struck), Ibn Taymiyah (R) says:

"This was not found to occur amongst the Sahabah, so when it appeared a group of the Companions and the Tabi'een such as Asmaa bint Abi Bakr and 'Abd Allah Az-Zubair and Muhammad ibn Seereen criticsed that since they saw that it was an innovation and contrary to what they knew from the manners of the Sahabah." [Al-Fataawaa (11/6)].

Concerning the spread of Sufism, Ibn Al-Jawzy said: "Sufism is a way whose beginning was complete avoidance of the affairs of worldly life, then those who attached themselves to it became lax in allowing singing and dancing. Therefore, the seekers of the Hereafter from the common people became attracted to them due to the avoidance of the worldly life which they manifested, and the seekers after this world were also attracted to them due to the life of ease and frivolity which they were seen to live." [Talbees Iblis].

Shaikh Abu Zahrah (R) said concerning the reason for the appearance of Sufism and the sources from which it sprung:

1. The first source: Some worshippers amongst the Muslims turned all their attention to avoidance of the worldly life and to cutting themselves off in order to worship. This first began in the lifetime of the Prophet (SAAW) when some of the Sahabah decided to spend the night striving in Prayer and abandoning sleep. Others decided to fast every day without fail. Others decided to cease having marital relations with women. So when that reached the Prophet (SAAW) he said:

"What is wrong with a people who say such and such. But rather I fat and I refrain from fasting, I pray and I sleep, and I marry women. So whoever turns away from my Sunnah, then he is not from me" (Al-Bukharee and Muslim).

Furthermore, the innovation of living like monks (monasticism) is forbiddeen in the Qur'an. He said:

"...the Monasticism which they invented for themselves..." [57:27].

However, when the Prophet (SAAW) passed on to join the company of the highest angels, and many people entered into Islam from the previous religions then the number of those who went to extremes in avoidance of worldly life and its blessings grew and Sufism found a place in the hearts of these people since it had come across a fertile planting ground.

2. The second matter which attracted peoples' souls was something which appeared amongst the Muslims in the form of two ideologies. One of them was philosophical whilst the other was from the previous religions. As for the first, then it was the view of the Illumist school of philosophers who held that knowledge and awareness is brought about in the soul by spiritual exercies and purification of the soul. As for the second ideology, then it was the belief that the Deity dwells in human souls, or that the Deity is incarnate in humanity. This idea began to find a place amongst those sects who falsely attributed themselves to Islam in the earlier times, when the Muslims became mixed with the Christians. This idea appeared amongst the Sabians and some of the Kaysaamiyyah, then the Qaraamitah, then amongst the Baatinees, then in its final shape it appeared amongst some of the Sufis...There is another source from which it took, and which causes the manifestation of Sufi tendencies, which is the idea that the texts of the Book and the Sunnah have an outer, apparent meaning and an inner, hidden meaning...it seems clear that they took this idea from the Baatinees." [Ibn Taymiyah by Abu Zahra].

Ibn Al-Jawzy said after criticising the Sufis for their impostition of hardship upon themselves and for their going beyond bounds of abstemiousness to the point of self torture:

"So this self seprivation which went beyond bounds, which we have been forbideen from, has been turned around by the Sufis of our time, ie. the sixth century, so that they have become as deserious of food as their predecessors were of hunger, and they enjoy morning meals, evening meals and sweet delicacies, all of which or most of which they attain through impure wealth. They have abandoned lawful earnings, turned away from worship and spread out carpets on which they idly recline, most of them have no desire except for food, drink and frivolous activities. [Talbees Iblis].

Speaking of the false miracles claimed by many Sufi leaders, Ibn Taymiyah said:

"It may also be done with the help of their devils as they are a people who are as closely attended by devils as they are by their own brothers... These people who experience these satanic happenings are under a great delusion, in their foolishness they are deprived of all blessings, they only increase that which is feared, they devour the wealth of the people in futile acts, they do not order the good, nor do they forbid evil, and they do not fight Jihaad in Allah's Cause." [Al-Fataawaa].

Futher, Sheikh Al-Madkhalee says:

"Then I return to the point that when I saw that most of the callers were negligent of the most important aspects of Islam which is the call to Tawheed and the correction and purification of 'Aqeedah from all Shirk, which takes the form of worshipping the dead, attachment to the graves and calling upon the dead and the absent, and they remained silent about the other deviation of the present day Sufi orders which are very widespread in the lands of the Muslims, and anyone who travels outside this land will see the predominace that the Sufi orders ahve over the minds of the Muslims in Egypt, Syria, Morocco, Africa and India. Whether is is the Rifaa'ee order, or the Tijanis, or the Ahmadiyyah, or the Qaadiriyyah, or the Burhamiyyah, or the Shadhiliyyah, or the Khattaaniyyah, or the Darqaawees, or the Naqshabandis or whichever of the large number of Sufi orders...when I saw this I wished to remind of that which I held to be something very important. Likewise, I wished to provide my brothers, who study in the highly regarded Daarul Hadeeth, and they come from various Islamic lands where there are many Sufi orders, with some knowledge and some protection from the deadly sickness of Sufism."

As for those authentic and well known books by the 'Ulemah that have refuted Sufism:

1. Al-Fataawaa - by Sheikhul Islam Ibn Taymiyah .
2. Talbess Iblis - by Ibn Al-Jawzy .
3. Tanbeebul-Ghabee ilaa Takfeer Ibn'Arabee - by Burhaanuddeen Al-Baqaa'ee .
4. Tahdheerul-'Ibaad min Ahlil-'Inaad bibid'atil-Ittihaad - by Al-Baqaa'ee .

These are just some of the statements by scholars, past and present, concerning the Sufiyyah. There are many, many more...and the research goes on...




Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 21 December 2008 at 6:01pm

A lot has been said about Sufism- and lot of people have actually deviated from truth in explaining Sufism- going so far as to label it a Bidaah- a term used to describe any un-Islamic practice that is being faultily linked to the religion of Islam.

A lot of those who strive to know what it really means to have inner peace and enjoy ultimate state of spiritual tranquility would like to gain insight into what Sufism entails.

The most commonly used explanation of the practice is that the term Sufism is derived from the word Suf, or wool in Arabic, referring to the primitive material of cloaks early Muslim ascetics used to wear, an emphasis of the Sufi followers� rejection of the growing materialism of life.

Other scholars, in explaining Sufism, suggested that the word originated from the Arabic word Safa, stressing the process of spiritual purification and purgation of heart and soul a Sufi experiences.

There�s yet a third explanation to the term Sufism, offered by Al-Biruni, a 10th century Persian Muslim scientist, physicist, astronomer, chemist, historian, geographer,  mathematician,  and philosopher, who linked the word �Sufeya� to Sophia, or �wisdom� in Greek � But this explanation was refuted by the vast majority of  present Sufi scholars.

Bottom line, Sufism is not a cult or a sect that is separable from Islam as some mistakenly believe, it�s simply a practice of devotion linked to one�s (a Muslim�s) pursuit of the Traiqat (or path) to Allah through love, contemplation, and meditation. A Sufi�s heart is always occupied with Allah (SWT) and nothing but Allah, and this what the Almighty refers to as �Ihsan�.

To attain this goal, a Sufi is in a constant state of inner peace and harmony with his spiritual being, seeking the Ultimate Truth  and particular closeness to the Almighty, and this experience of devotion is what takes him eventually beyond this physical existence.

The Sufi doctrine and practice is usually referred to by scholars as the mystical branch of Islam.

At first Sufism sprang in a place near Iraq. Almost all traditional Sufi scholars or teachers trace their Tariqas or schools and so-called chains of transmission back to our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) through Imam Ali Ibn Abi Talib, his cousin and son-in-law, but there�s one Sufi school, named Naqshbandi that traces its origin to Abu Bakr Al Siddiq. Later on, as it is commonly believed, the practice of Tasawwof or Sufism, quickly spread throughout different parts of the Arab region, including countries that had been ruled by the Byzantines.

Moreover, some scholars explained that  �Ahl Al Suffa�  are originally some of the companions of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who decided to dedicate much of their lives to fasting, praying and pleading for salvation.

But corruption among present Sufi schools or Tariqas shouldn�t be overlooked or downplayed. There are Sufi schools, the masters of which defend deviant beliefs that have no links to Islam and actually elevated themselves to the state of Saints and Gods.

Allah describes such people in the Qur�an saying:

�Surely, those whom you invoke besides All�h are slaves like you. So invoke them and let them answer you if you are truthful.� (Qur�an 7:194)

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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 21 December 2008 at 6:08pm
I think let stop quoting and quoting from other sources.
 
Tasawwuf is actually the spiritual experiences between a Muslim with Allah.
 
Let us go to the basics.
 
In your years of studying, (Alhamdulillah), you had come across teachings of the 5 pillars of Islam and reads lots of books on shahadah, solah, saum, zakah and hajj.
And of course the 6 pillars of iman too.
 
What about the two pillars of Ihsaan. Have you read any books that were written on this subject? I am sure there are lots of it, because it is the third pillar of Islamic religion. Must be very important because Jibril sent down the hadith infront of many of the companions of Rasulullah.
 
If so, please elaborate on your understanding or any explanation in any books on this very important aspect of Ihsaan and most importantly how to achieve it.
 
Thank you and Salamalaikum.


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abosait
Date Posted: 22 December 2008 at 4:19am
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

 
................Must be very important because Jibril sent down the hadith infront of many of the companions of Rasulullah................
 
 
 
Nur, that statement from you is false because,
 
Jibril:in Islām, the archangel who acts as intermediary between God and man and as bearer of revelation to the Prophets.

In Islamic terminology, the term hadith refers to reports about the statements or actions of Prophet Mohammed Sallallahu alaihi wasallam or about his tacit approval of something said or done in his presence.

Therefore it is clear that Jibreel never sent down any Hadith.

 



Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 23 December 2008 at 5:54am
[QUOTE=abosait]
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

 
................Must be very important because Jibril sent down the hadith infront of many of the companions of Rasulullah................
 
 
 
Nur, that statement from you is false because,
 
Jibril:in Islām, the archangel who acts as intermediary between God and man and as bearer of revelation to the Prophets.

In Islamic terminology, the term hadith refers to reports about the statements or actions of Prophet Mohammed Sallallahu alaihi wasallam or about his tacit approval of something said or done in his presence.

Therefore it is clear that Jibreel never sent down any Hadith.

 [/QUOTE]

Alright. Perhaps I did put it slightly wrong. But the fact still remains that this hadith was witnessed by many of his companions. Can you deny that? You are only concentrating on the little error of mine, yet the big issue of Ihsaan which Jibril put to Muhammad and Muhammad�s reply, you seem to ignore totally. Why?

Abosait, you will never know the meaning of Tasawwuf, until you have no other thoughts except Allah when you say the takbirratul ihram. Haram for all other thoughts except Him.

You do not know the meaning of tasawwuf until you feel the Greatness of Allah and how tiny you are when you recite Allahuakbar in all the takbir in your solah.

You will not know tasawwuf until you cry of gratitude just by reciting Bismillahirahmanirrahim. How gracious and how Merciful Allah is.

You will not understand tasawwuf, until you weep reciting Iyyaka na�budu waiyyaka nastain � how much we need Allah in our lives.

You will not understand tassawwuf until you sob silently when you recite the Qunut.

You will not understand tasawwuf until you feel the gratitude towards our beloved Prophet Muhammad salallahualaihiwassalam when you say the tashahud in your prayers.

You will not understand tasawwuf, until you feel the yearning for Allah, sobbing, weeping in your solah.

You will not know what is tasawwuf, until you cannot swallow the food that Allah had given you due to a lump feeling in your throat because of acknowledging Allah's love.
 
You will not know what is tasawwuf until you see a woman feeding her child with love and this sight bringing tears to your eyes, thankful to Allah for His love that He gave each and everyone of us.
 
Until this happens, Abosait, you will never know what tasawwuf is all about.

 

 



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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.



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