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Topic: Evidence in favour of NIQAB

Posted By: Ruhi Islam
Subject: Evidence in favour of NIQAB
Date Posted: 24 December 2008 at 3:25pm

Hadith - Bukhari 6:282

'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): 'They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,' was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces."

Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin

When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.

Tafseer - Ibn Katheer
"Allah commanded the muslim women to cover this sheet on top of them to cover their bodies except one eye, when it is necessary for them to come out of their homes."

The hadeeth of Ayeshah (Radhiallaahu �nha) when Asmaa (Radhiallaahu �nha) the daughter of Abu Bakr came to the Rasulullaah (Sallallaahu �layhi Wasallam) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands. But this hadeeth is WEAK because of 2 main weaknesses.

There is no link between Ayeshah (Radhiallaahu �nha) and Khalid bin Dareek, who narrated the hadith from her. And in every chain of narrators Khalid bin Dareek is mentioned.

In the chain of narrators Sa'eed bin Basheer appears, who is known by most of the Muhaditheen as being a weak narrator.

http://muttaqun.com/niqab.html - http://muttaqun.com/niqab.html Please see link for more information

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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 25 December 2008 at 6:51am

"Ayesha (R) reported that Asmaa the daughter of Abu Bakr (R) came to the Messenger of Allah (S) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." (Abu Dawood)...

Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 25 December 2008 at 10:40am

Jazakallah for pointing that out Abuayisha, the Asma hadith is not a weak hadith . . . it is a perfectly authentic hadith.

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Posted By: Ruhi Islam
Date Posted: 27 December 2008 at 12:11pm

Bismilah and salam alaikum

Personally, I am not skilled in the science of hadith. I am merely quoting. But here is a question:

The hadith of Aisha I mentioned earlier was by Sahih Bukhair (100% authentic), the other hadith of Asma is mentioned by Abu Dawud (never heard of Sahih abu Dawud).

Does it make sense to say that Asma ra, a pious women, would come to the prophet asw wearing transparent clothing?

How sound is that hadeeth in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is reported to have said, �When a woman reaches the ages of adolescence, nothing should be seen of her except her face and hands�? How should the Muslim woman dress, based on this? What if extreme hijab will cause problems for a woman in the society in which she lives?.

The hadeeth mentioned in the question was narrated by Abu Dawood (4104) from al-Waleed from Sa�eed ibn Basheer from Qataadah from Khaalid ibn Durayk from �Aa�ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), that Asma� bint Abi Bakr entered upon the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) wearing a thin dress. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned away from her and said, �O Asma�, when a woman reaches the age of puberty, nothing should be seen of her except this and this� � and he pointed to his face and hands.

Abu Dawood said: This is mursal; Khaalid ibn Durayk did not meet �Aa�ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her).

This hadeeth is da�eef (weak) and is not fit to be used as evidence. The reasons why it is da�eef are as follows:

1 � Its isnaad is interrupted, as was stated by Imam Abu Dawood (may Allaah have mercy on him) when he said, �This is mursal; Khaalid ibn Durayk did not meet �Aa�ishah.�

2 � Its isnaad includes Sa�eed ibn Basheer al-Azdi (or it was said al-Basri) Abu �Abd al-Rahmaan. Some scholars of hadeeth regarded him as thiqah (trustworthy), but Ahmad, Ibn Ma�een, Ibn al-Madeeni, al-Nasaa�i, al-Haakim and Abu Dawood regarded him as da�eef. (weak).

Muhammad ibn �Abd-Allaah ibn Numayr said of him: His hadeeth is to be rejected and he does not amount to anything, and he is not strong in hadeeth. He narrated munkar reports from Qataadah.

Ibn Hibbaan said of him: He has a bad memory and makes grievous mistakes.

Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said of him: (he is) da�eef.

3 � Its isnaad includes Qataadah who is mudallis (i.e., gives false impressions concerning the narration of the hadeeth) and did not clearly state that he heard the hadeeth from another. It also includes al-Waleed ibn Muslim of whom al-Haafiz said: (he is) trustworthy but he was also mudallis and did not clearly state that he heard the hadeeth from another.

These are the faults in the hadeeth because of which the hadeeth was judged to be da�eef (weak). See Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa�imah, Majallat al-Buhooth, 21/68.

Even if we assume that the hadeeth is saheeh or is strengthened by corroborating reports, the scholars have also noted that this incident occurred before hijab was enjoined. Ibn Qudaamah said: �With regard to the hadeeth of Asma�, it is to be understood as having occurred before the verse of hijab was revealed.�

Shaykh Muhammad ibn �Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: �Even if we assume it is saheeh, it is to be interpreted as referring to the time before hijab was revealed.� See �Awdat al-Hijaab, 3/336.

If we study the text of the hadeeth , we will find that it is extremely unlikely, because Asma� (may Allaah be pleased with her) was very pious and modest, so she would not have worn these thin clothes and appeared in them in front of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

The correct view on this matter is that it is obligatory for women to cover their entire bodies in front of non-mahram men. See question no. http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=21134&dgn=3& - 21134 . .....Islam Q&A

And Allaah knows best.

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/cat/56 - http://www.islam-qa.com/en/cat/56

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Posted By: Ruhi Islam
Date Posted: 27 December 2008 at 12:34pm

Salam alaikum again,

I just wanted to add some more: the hadith of Asma was narrated by Aisha (may Allah be pleased with both).

The most accepted opinion is that if the women covers everything except her face and her hands, she would be following the Command of Allah; and if she chooses to cover her face, then it would be considered purest and closest to the Command of Allah Subhanah.

The difference between the covering and leaving uncovered the face of a believing woman in �hijaab� is not one between right and wrong, but rather between what is best and what is good. If the believing woman covers her whole body and chooses to leave her face uncovered, it is good, acceptable and in accordance with the guidance of the Quran and the Sunnah; but if she covers her whole body including her face with a �niqaab�, it would be best and closest to the Command of her Lord.

http://www.islamhelpline.com/view_answers.asp?QAID=25530 - http://www.islamhelpline.com/view_answers.asp?QAID=25530

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Judge the deed, not the breed. Islam & Muslims are two different things, a Muslim should not necessarily be associated with Islam.