Ali Vs The Prophet
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Topic: Ali Vs The Prophet
Posted By: Mi4real
Subject: Ali Vs The Prophet
Date Posted: 09 July 2005 at 8:09am
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As Salam Alukum We all the Holy Prophet is best of creation but we have testimony from the Classical Shia Scholar Sheikh Saduk that Ali is equal in rank the Prophet.
Lets remember Shaikh *Saduq* who is ibn Babwayh Al Qummi, the teacher of Shaikh Al Mufid who is in turn the teacher of Sayyid Al Murtada i believe. ( 1 ) ( ����� ��� ( ���� ������ ) ������ ����� ( ��� ���� ���� ���� ) |
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Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 14 July 2005 at 11:04am
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Did hazrat Ali bring anything new from Allah? If no, then how you compare the two as equal? and if yes, then what was the anew? Also, your quote "My father related to us from Abdullah bin al-Hussein al-Mueddib from Ahmed bin Ali al-Isfahani from Mohammed bin Aslam at-Tusi from Abu Rajaa from Hemmad bin Zaid from Abdirrahman as-Sarraj from Nafii that Ibn Omar said.........." do not provide the reference to the source of this chain of narrators. On the more, the last narrator (Nafii) did not link his source of this narration with ibn Omar. It just says that Ibn Omar said, but to whom? no one knows. Beside other weaknesses, this kind of narration seems to be just a snap shot of complete event, which has been specifically cut out of the whole picture to suit ones motive. Brother this is not a scholarly way of referring the evidence. Kindly provide the whole event, if you know of it. |
Posted By: Mi4real
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:03pm
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As Salam Alukum It doesn't matter if Ali brought anything new to the religion or not, for years Shia's have denied that they believe that Ali (RA) is the same rank as the Prophet (SAW) even though we have numerous hadiths presented in Bihar Al-Anwar and other works of hadith to prove otherwise. My statements clearly prove that Sheikh Saduk one of the most eminent Shia Scholars believed this...he also had other dangerous beliefs which I will not get into, Secondly according to your Shia books of Rijal this hadith is ranked as "Hasan". Rijaal an-Najashi, Abul-Abbas Ahmad bin Ali an-Najashi Naqd ar-Rijaal: Sayyid Mustafa at-Tafrushi |
Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 23 July 2005 at 5:36am
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem this is funny, your both sunni  ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 25 July 2005 at 8:38am
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So you mean, bro Rami, that bro Mi4real doesn't believe as what the Sheikh Saduk says about. Hmm!! So why is he raising such a point without qualifying his own stance and yet he is responding to me as in negation? This is really strange. Anyway, thanks for your clarification. I appreciate your concern. |
Posted By: unity1
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 11:09am
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Asalam Aalaikum, Majority of the Shias donot believe that Ali(Ra) is equal to Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)in rank, if this narrative mentions such thing ,then that hadith should be put to test. ------------- who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man. |