Jordanian beats daughter to death for wearing makeup in 'honour' killing

 

 

Were they white Muslims who lynched the man and burned down the house? Because if it isn't a Muslim committing the crime then Believer doesn't think it counts....

Nope just worrying about the abused women

 

Shasta do you have percentages on that data? 

 

Jordan population 6,342,984

 

Population of Texas 23,904,380

 

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Were they white Muslims who lynched the man and burned down the house? Because if it isn't a Muslim committing the crime then Believer doesn't think it counts....

 

Why are you so obsessed with the women of Jordan. The abuse, rape, incest, and murder rates are much higher for women in the U.S.  My grandmother used to say "you should clean up your own back yard before complaining about your neighbors".

 

Violence Policy Center Issues Annual Report When Men Murder Women

Study, Released for Domestic Violence Awareness Month in October, Ranks Alaska #1 in Rate of Women Murdered by Men

WASHINGTON, DC�The Violence Policy Center (VPC) today released http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2005.pdf - When Men Murder Women: An Analysis of 2003 Homicide Data . This annual report details national and state-by-state information on female homicides involving one female murder victim and one male offender. The VPC releases the study each year to coincide with Domestic Violence Awareness Month in October. In 2003, the most recent data available from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's unpublished Supplementary Homicide Report, firearms were the most common weapon used by males to murder females (835 of 1,678 homicides or 50 percent). Of these, 77 percent (647 of 835) were committed with handguns. Alaska ranks first in the nation in the rate of women killed by men. Ranked behind Alaska are: Nevada, Louisiana, New Mexico, Tennessee, South Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas. Nationally, the rate was 1.31 per 100,000.

VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, "These numbers should serve as a wake-up call to the states with the highest rates of female homicide. In identifying solutions to domestic violence, the role firearms play must be addressed."

The study's release comes as the federal Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), originally passed in 1994 and reauthorized in 2000, is set to expire on September 30th� unless Congress acts. VAWA has improved awareness, protection, and criminal justice response for victims of domestic violence.

Ranking	State	Number of Homicides	Homicide Rate per 100,000
1	Alaska	9	2.87
2	Nevada	29	2.64
3 (tie)	Louisiana	56	2.42
3 (tie)	New Mexico	23	2.42
5	Tennessee	71	2.38
6	South Carolina	47	2.21
7	Arizona	60	2.15
8	Georgia	90	2.05
9	Mississippi	29	1.95
10	Texas	213	1.92

 

 

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maybe you can start in your CHURCH.. was not the BTK killer a Church goer.. or is he the ONLY person ever to commit domestic violence and go to Church... hmmmm

And besides, Believer... you are 'concerned' what do you do with your time to end domestic violence and violence against women and children?

 

My point for this post:

But attempts to introduce harsher sentences have been blocked in Jordan's parliament, where the predominantly conservative Bedouin legislators argue that tougher penalties would lead to adultery.

 

I find it interesting that feminist are so concerned about equal rights and equal pay for women then ignore something as horrific as this.

 

 

It is important that these issues are seriously looked at within religions. And those who profess to take their respective religions seriously, should not get defensive when they are raised.

 

Same with Catholicism. Mention sexual abuse, and you'd think you had forty horns on your head, with the more conservative types. Though you can see it too with some of the more 'liberal'. They think you exaggerate - make it up. I swear to God, if their own children were laying dead in front of them, they'd still be in denial. I see this happening too with Islam. And it's happening here when people go on the defensive, instead of looking at these issues honestly, and at ways of dealing with them. You'd have a duty before God to tackle them I'd imagine.

 

I think it is, to a degree, more important that they be looked at within religious contexts -  moreso, because these things are done by some in the belief that God sanctions these kinds of behaviours.

 

Yes - we all know God does not permit or allow these things. At least I hope not :-) But what is it about the religion - ANY religion, the misunderstandings of that religion by however few, or many - that make some believe otherwise - that they can abuse and murder 'in the name of God'.

 

One child - one abused woman, or man is worth the effort surely. What is it about a religion, its teachings, or lack of proper teaching that makes men believe they have a right to do these things to any woman or child.

 

Within Catholicism - there is 'clericalism' - just one aspect of the phenomena of abuse, its toleration and cover up. The male clerical elite. The image of the priesthood as something 'holy' - immaculate - the reputation of which must be kept as such at any cost - even the cost of lives being destroyed, not least the most vulnerable and innocent. It's in many ways a kind of men only club. Patriarchal system. Open to abuses at so very many levels.

 

Same in Islam. You can say there is no priesthood. No hierarchy. I disagree. Imams, sholars etc are no different. They have power and they have the power to seriously abuse other human beings. Not saying all or many do. But that potential is real, and really there.  

 

If these things are happening, and yes they are happening the world over, within and outside of religious contexts; then shouldn't those who know what the religion truly teaches not be out their fighting this level of ignorance that is so destructive to individuals, society and to the name of God, and belief in God by people who might otherwise embrace belief.

 

I'd like to know, to understand what  an 'honour killing' is supposed to be, to mean. Why does something like this happen. Where did the men get the idea they can do this, have a right to do it. They got it from somewhere, and it's linked to religion somehow, rightly or wrongly. Why. There is nothing wrong with naming and shaming evil. And trying to understand and do something about it. It does not mean that the religion itself is evil or bad, or that those who truly believe are deluded or deceived.

 

Try really tackling these things in your relgion. Your Christian religion or your Islamic religion, and see where the greatest opposition comes from :-) You might be pleasantly, or very unpleasantly surprised. Don't expect an easy ride though.

 

I have found this in Christian Catholicism. When you speak of terrible abuses, and not just from books, but from real experience and witnessing. You get called all sorts some times. And the worst attacks come from the ones who should really be on your side - fighthing the rot, the evil, rooting it out 'in the name of God'.  But no, they get all defensive and rant and rave. And you try and understand why they are like that. Denial is a big factor. But I think too that people do at times find it difficult to separate chaff from wheat within their respective religions. It seems, almost, that to mention the realities of abuses of whatever kind, is somehow to be seen to attack their very faith, to wish to undermine it in some way. The faith that is the most precious and beautiful thing to them. That you defile it by mentioning these things at all. It's true. People are strange critters at times - not least in matters religious.  When you are really wanting, trying to strengthen your own faith, and theirs and come together to do what is right 'in the name of God' and those abused in the name of that religion.

 

Isn't that the 'outer' jihad. That those who truly believe, know the real teachings of the religion, fight the ignorances of those who harm that belief for others within the religion and for those who might otherwise look to knowing and embracing that religion. The "enemy within".

 

Be prepared for the 'battle' of your life ;-)

 

 

 

Believer,

 

I believe that the fact that Jordan is not an Islamic government has already been established.  Blaming Islam for lack of harsher sentencing in Jordan would be the same as blaming Christianity for lack of harsher sentencing in the U.S..

 

From the article.

 

Yes, much the same as laws regarding stem cell research, same sex marriage, and sex education were blocked and are being blocked by the conservative Republicans in the U.S. who think that such laws would/will lead to fetuses being killed, the end of civilization as we know it, and rampant teen sex...... in that order.  

Shasta, you really need to do more research on this topic - "Yes, much the same as laws regarding stem cell research, same sex marriage, and sex education were blocked and are being blocked by the conservative Republicans in the U.S. who think that such laws would/will lead to fetuses being killed, the end of civilization as we know it, and rampant teen sex...... in that order. "

 

Actually there has been much more success with mature stem cell research then ever thought possible.  Also there is not the chance of immune rejection and no need for immune supressing drugs.

 

 

I think you have that wrong, Christians need to do more research on this topic, I think stem cell research is great. However many Christians, including our last president,  think it is evil:

 

Bush stands firm against US stem-cell bill http://rawstory.com/ -

The US Senate Wednesday voted in favor of funding stem-cell research on human embryos, but President George W. Bush promptly vowed to veto the bill which has incensed Christian conservatives....

 

Each contributed $50,000 this week to separate campaign groups, which have raised $115,000 combined. Ballot measure supporters have raised about $12 million.

The measure, which is listed on the Nov. 2 ballot as Proposition 71, would have the state borrow $3 billion to pay for the controversial research.

"We believe life begins at the moment of conception," said USCCB spokesperson Sr. Mary Ann Walsh. "Stem-cell research involves the taking of a human life."

As a result, the USCCB contributed $50,000 to a new campaign committee, called Californians Against Loan and Clone, created by the Catholic Church of California.

Evangelical Christian Howard Ahmanson Jr. made a $50,000 contribution to the official opposition campaign group called Doctors, Patients & Taxpayers for Fiscal Responsibility.

As heir to a savings and loan fortune, Ahmanson finances many Christian organizations and non-denominational think tanks, including the Seattle-based Discovery Institute, which disputes much of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, reported the AP.

Some women's groups also oppose the research because of its insatiable need for fertilized eggs, most of which are now donated by fertility clinics with surplus supplies."

 

In Islam himosexuality is not allowed.  Isn't ihomosexuality punished for religious reasons?  I know in Iran thousands have been executed for being gay.  I'm not sure what your point is here.

 

My daughter is a Type 1 Diabetic- she says she will never kill an embryo to use stem cells.

 

You really don't get the point? Let me spell it out for you. Does this post look familiar:

 

 

I think these are 2 separate issues.  One is murder of an adult person and the use of honor killings allowing for lesser penalties for the murderer.

 

No taxpayer funds are being used to kill the honor killing victim.

 

Stem cell research is using money from taxpayers to do the killing. 

 

There are laws against murder even in secular governments-  When does life start?

 

It doesn't matter what the issues are, the point is that religious views are resulting in laws being passed in both countries.