The Greatest Name of God!
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Topic: The Greatest Name of God!
Posted By: Shibboleth
Subject: The Greatest Name of God!
Date Posted: 06 August 2009 at 5:40pm
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THE divine name is found more than 7,000 times in the Holy Scriptures.
Later, however, the Jews superstitiously refused to pronounce it, using instead
the word �Lord.� (Jeremiah 23:27, 36) Christendom has followed the same
tradition, even leaving the name out when copying the Scriptures. This has
resulted in widespread ignorance concerning the greatest name. Although many
have heard of the expression �the greatest name of God,� they still believe
that today there is no way one can know this name. But is that true? ***The Qur�ān tells of someone �who was deeply versed in the Scriptures.*** (Al-Naml [27]:40, NJD) In explaining this verse, a commentary known as Tafsīr Al-Jalālayn says: �It was Asaph the son of Berechiah. He was a righteous man. He knew God�s greatest name, and whenever he called on it, he was answered.� But who is this Asaph the son of Berechiah who knew the greatest name of God? The Qur�ān very often advises turning back to God�s ancient books in order to obtain the answers. (See Yūnus [10]:94; Al-Naḥl [16]:43; Al-Anbiyā� [21]:7.) These tell us that Asaph the son of Berechiah was the one who by inspiration wrote Psalm 83. (1 Chronicles 15:17; Psalm 83, superscription) Verse 18 of this psalm says: �That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.� We thereby see that �Jehovah� is the greatest name. All the Prophets in the Tevrat (Hebrew Scriptures) and Injil (Greek Scriptures) used the name of Jehovah, why not the prophet Muhammad? Every careful reader of the Qur�an has seen that
the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospel are time and again shown to be God�s Word.
In the one hundred fourteen Suras of the Qur�an, at least
sixty-two verses point out that these three writings come from God. And at
least twelve other verses say that the Qur�an was written for the purpose of
confirming these books. Yet, no-where do you see in the Qur'an
On the OTHER-HAND Judaism teaches that while
God�s name exists in written form, it is too holy to be pronounced
(Superstition) and so removed it. Yet, that has not always been the Jewish
position. About 3,500 years ago, God spoke to Moses, saying: �Thus shall you
speak to the Israelites: The LORD [Hebrew: יהוה,
YHWH], the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the
God of Jacob, has sent me to you: This shall be My name forever, this My
appellation for all eternity.� (Exodus 3:15; Psalm 135:13) What was that name
and appellation? The footnote to the Tanakh
states: �The name YHWH (traditionally
read Adonai �the LORD�) is here
associated with the root hayah �to
be.�� Thus, we have here the holy name of God, the Tetragrammaton, the four
Hebrew consonants YHWH (Yahweh) that in their Latinized form
have come to be known over the centuries in English as JEHOVAH. The Hebrew Scriptures
(Torah, Pentateuch) Mesoretic, Talmud and Septuagint Text and many OLDER texts shows
God�s personal name, waaaaaay before the Quran was written. Also, the Tanakh was written
for the Jews, the Torah was for the Hebrews, big difference in people and how
they worshipped. As you well know people seem to change with time but not God�s
Holy Written Word. ------------- �If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.� (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al �Imran: 84-85) |
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 07 August 2009 at 3:43am
16:43 (Y. Ali) And before thee also the apostles We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: if ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message. 21:7 (Y. Ali) Before thee, also, the apostles We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message. What are you talking about?I see no Asaph son of Berechiah. |
Shibboleth wrote:Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 07 August 2009 at 4:22am
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 07 August 2009 at 4:26am
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5:48 (Y. Ali) To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah. it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 07 August 2009 at 4:31am
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Topics discussed in this Verse:
[Hereafter:belief in] [Makkah:Mother of Cities] [Qur'an:confirms earlier Scripture] [Revelation] [Scripture belief in] 6:92 (Y. Ali) And this is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the mother of cities and all around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Allah's attributes:Lord of the Worlds] [Muhammad:did not fabricate the Message] [Qur'an:confirms earlier Scripture] 10:37 (Y. Ali) This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Children of Israel:and the Qur'an] [Qur'an:confirms earlier Scripture] 46:10 (Y. Ali) Say: "See ye? If (this teaching) be from Allah, and ye reject it, and a witness from among the Children of Israel testifies to its similarity (with earlier scripture), and has believed while ye are arrogant, (how unjust ye are!) truly, Allah guides not a people unjust." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Qur'an:Arabic] [Qur'an:confirms earlier Scripture] [Tawrah (the Law):confirmed by the Qur'An] 46:12 (Y. Ali) And before this, was the Book of Moses as a guide and a mercy: And this Book confirms (it) in the Arabic tongue; to admonish the unjust, and as Glad Tidings to those who do right. |
Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 07 August 2009 at 4:38am
| I will try to answer your questions as best as I can and I pray that you are sincere in your quest for understanding(InshAllah)(God Willing)May Allah Bless you(Ameen) |
Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 07 August 2009 at 9:59am
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Reference from the oldest book in the world, God's Word. If you go to the ORIGINAL scriptures of God's Holy writings, the Torah. Second, the Psalms. Third, the Gospel, it will show you God's name. If you go to Psalm 83 you will notice in Psalms that "A song. A melody of A′saph" is documented before you read the first verse. Psalms 83:18 says, That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. The superscriptions for Psalms 50 and 73 to 83 credit these songs to Asaph Many of the Psalms have headings, or superscriptions, and these often name the writer, perhaps you just haven't notice it, it's a superscription that may be in small writings. Let us repeat a verse from the Qur�an that was quoted earlier. But now we will discuss it from a different angle. �After those prophets We sent forth Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Torah already revealed, and gave him the Gospel, in which there is guidance and light, corroborating that which was revealed before it in the Torah, a guide and an admonition to the righteous. Therefore let the followers of the Gospel judge in accordance with what Allah has revealed therein. Evil-doers are those that do not base their judgements on Allah�s revelations.��Sura 5, Al-Ma�ida [The Table], verses 46, 47. If, at the time these words were written, the Bible had already been corrupted, how could believers in the Gospel �judge in accordance with what Allah had revealed therein�? Thus believers in the Qur�an accept that the Bible was uncorrupted at the time the Qur�an was written (about one thousand three hundred years ago). On the other hand, there exist manuscripts of the Bible written four hundred or five hundred years before that time that are on public display in museums today. When comparing our modern Bibles with these ancient manuscripts, it is easily seen that there is no significant difference. The Bible is substantially the same. Certainly, the Bible has not changed since those words were written in the Qur�an saying that in the Gospel �there is guidance and light.� Thus, a person who believes in the Qur�an will agree that the Bible has not been corrupted and that it is still the Word of God. But even for people who do not believe in the Qur�an there is abundant proof that the Bible has not been corrupted by men since its original writing. What proof? Why, those ancient manuscripts mentioned in the previous paragraph. After examining these newly discovered ancient documents, Professor Millar Burrows said: �The general reader and student of the Bible may be satisfied to note that nothing in all this changes our understanding of the religious teachings of the Bible . . . The essential truth and the will of God revealed in the Bible, however, have been preserved unchanged through all the vicissitudes in the transmission of the text.��The Is this not reasonable? Should we not expect that the Almighty God would be able to preserve his Word uncorrupted? The Bible itself says: �The green grass has dried up, the blossom has withered; but as for the word of our God, it will last to time indefinite.��Isaiah 40:8. Muslims say "the Qur'an confirms the Bible" yet it doesn't support it's beliefs. Please Be Careful my Brother Every
careful reader of the Qur�an has seen that the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospel
are time and again shown to be God�s Word. In the one hundred fourteen Suras of the Qur�an, at least sixty-two verses point out that these
three writings come from God. And at least twelve other verses say that the
Qur�an was written for the purpose of confirming these books. Here are some of these verses. �Children of To sum up, the Qur�an teaches that these three writings, the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospel, are from God. They should be both recognized and obeyed. Therefore the Bible does not need the Quran to confirm it's writings, it stands alone. If the Qur'an does not recognize God's Great name but yet "confirms" these writings, something is seriously, seriously wrong. May peace be on to you my friend |
Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 11:23am
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 11:57am
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Salams,Shibboleth here are some verses from the Qur'an that should help. 3:64 (Y. Ali) Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Abraham:religion of] [Gospel] [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] [Tawrah (the Law)] 3:65 (Y. Ali) Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Abraham:religion of] [Allah's knowledge] [People of the Book:differed among themselves] [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:66 (Y. Ali) Ah! Ye are those who fell to disputing (Even) in matters of which ye had some knowledge! but why dispute ye in matters of which ye have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and ye who know not! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Abraham:Haniif the true in faith] [Abraham:not Jew nor Christian] [Abraham:religion of] [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:67 (Y. Ali) Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Abraham:religion of] [Allah's attributes:Protector] [Allah's friendship (to the believers)] [Muhammad:nearest of kin to Abraham] [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:68 (Y. Ali) Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Messenger and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:69 (Y. Ali) It is the wish of a section of the People of the Book to lead you astray. But they shall lead astray (Not you), but themselves, and they do not perceive! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Allah's attributes:Protector] [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:70 (Y. Ali) Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah, of which ye are (Yourselves) witnesses? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:71 (Y. Ali) Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while ye have knowledge? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:72 (Y. Ali) A section of the People of the Book say: "Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers, but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) Turn back; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Allah:all bounties are in His hand] [Allah's attributes:All Embracing (cares for all)] [Allah's attributes:Knows all things] [Day of judgment] [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:73 (Y. Ali) "And believe no one unless he follows your religion." Say: "True guidance is the Guidance of Allah. (Fear ye) Lest a revelation be sent to someone (else) Like unto that which was sent unto you? or that those (Receiving such revelation) should engage you in argument before your Lord?" Say: "All bounties are in the hand of Allah. He granteth them to whom He pleaseth: And Allah careth for all, and He knoweth all things." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Allah's attributes:full of bounty] [Allah's mercy] [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:74 (Y. Ali) For His Mercy He specially chooseth whom He pleaseth; for Allah is the Lord of bounties unbounded. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:75 (Y. Ali) Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, "there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans)." but they tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:76 (Y. Ali) Nay.- Those that keep their plighted faith and act aright,-verily Allah loves those who act aright. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Allah's Covenant] [Hereafter:better than worldly life] [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:77 (Y. Ali) As for those who sell the faith they owe to Allah and their own plighted word for a small price, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter: Nor will Allah (Deign to) speak to them or look at them on the Day of Judgment, nor will He cleans them (of sin): They shall have a grievous penalty. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Children of Israel:distort the Book] [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] 3:78 (Y. Ali) There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] [Prophets] [Wisdom] 3:79 (Y. Ali) It is not (possible) that a man, to whom is given the Book, and Wisdom, and the prophetic office, should say to people: "Be ye my worshippers rather than Allah's": on the contrary (He would say) "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all: For ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Angels] [Muslims] [People of the Book:relationship to Muslims] [Prophets] 3:80 (Y. Ali) Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and patrons. What! would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will (To Allah in Islam)? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topics discussed in this Verse: [Covenant:of the Prophets] [Muhammad:foretold in Scripture] [Prophets:Covenant of] [Wisdom] In these verses you will find great knowledge and answers concerning Muslims and non-Muslims Quran and Bible,You said:Thus, a person who believes in the Qur�an will agree that the Bible has not been corrupted and that it is still the Word of God. But even for people who do not believe in the Qur�an there is abundant proof that the Bible has not been corrupted by men since its original writing. What proof?All Muslims believe that the Bible is corrupted by man.It is not in its original form.You know where I first started to notice the corruption in the bible?from Christian Scholars this was just before I embraced Islam.The Qur'an doesnt confirm the Bible itself the Qur'an confirms the Message that was sent to the Prophets.why are you so fixed on the Qur'an no mentioning the name Jehovah,There is nothing wrong with the Qur'an it is originally sent to Prophet Muhhamad(SAW)in Arabic the language he spoke and simply Jehovah is not Arabic I hope this will end your fixation on the matter |
Posted By: Natassia
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 3:52pm
I don't know that I would call it superstition but more a desire to avoid breaking this commandment:
You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name. (Exodus 20:7 NIV, see also Deuteronomy 5:11)
They probably don't pronounce His name for the same reasons many Muslims are very iconoclastic out of a desire to avoid committing shirk. ------------- You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. (John 5:39-40) |
Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 6:55pm
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CHAPTER FOUR ALLAH IN THE BIBLE The suffix "IM" of the word "ELOHIM" is a plural of respect in Hebrew. (Remember that in Arabic and Hebrew there are two types of plurals. One of numbers and the other of honour as in Royal proclamations. Since the plural of honour is uncommon in the language of the European, he has confused these plurals to connote a plurality in the "godhead," hence his justification for his Doctrine of the Holy Trinity - the Father, Son and Holy Ghost). Hence ELOHIM = ELOH + IM. Now I want you to perform an exercise. Do you see the words: YA-HUWA ELOH-IM? Place your left hand index finger on the first two letters "YA" meaning oh! and the other index finger on the "IM" a plural of respect. What you now have remaining in Huwa Eloh or Huwa Elah. El in Hebrew means god, and Elah or Eloh also stands for the same name - god. Therefore, "Huwa el Elah" or HUWA 'L LAH, which is identical to the Quranic expression - Huwal lah hu (meaning: HE IS ALLAH) of the verse QUL HUWAL LAH HU AHUD
Holy Qur'an 112:1 The above exercise proves that El, Elah and Elohim are not three distinctly different words. They all represent the single Arabic word Allah. This is not my wishful thinking. Please see below. It is a photostatic reproduction of a page from the English Bible, edited by Rev. C. I. Scofield,D.D., with his Bible Commentary� This Doctor of Divinity is well respected among the Bible Scholars of the Christian world. He is backed in his "NEW AND IMPROVED EDITION" of this translation by a galaxy of eight other D.D.'s: Rev. Henry G. Weston, D.D., LL.D., President
Crozer Theological jeminary. I have not listed the above luminaries to awe you. They have been unanimous in supporting Rev. Scofield in his "New and Improved" commentary. Please note that in their comment No. 1 below left, they concur that - "Elohim, (sometimes El or Elah meaning God)" and alternatively spelled "Alah" (line three, third word). All the eight D.D.'s above could not have been blind in dittoing the spelling "Alah" for God. How far were they from the Arabic word spelled - ALLAH - in English, I ask you dear reader? This is Allah's handiwork, but the Devil (I must give him a capital "D," he deserves it) was not slow in making a quick come-back through his agents. He succeeded in firing all the D.D.'s responsible for that debacle, and had them replaced by nine others with more impressive degrees than the previous lot. You will find them in the recent reproduction of "The New Scofield Reference Bible." You will not be able to lay your hands anymore on the Bible with "Alah" in it. The Devil has seen to that. http://www.jamaat.net/name/name4.html------------- Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention. |
Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 10:12pm
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Fixated on TRUTH. All the prophet came in the name of Jehovah, Abraham, Isac and Jacob, etc. Even Ishmael himself used the name Jehovah but not Muhammad who professed to come in the "NAME" of God? Now, the Hebrew word �elo‧him′ (gods) appears to be from a root meaning �be strong.� �Elo‧him′ is the plural of �eloh′ah (god). Sometimes this plural refers to a number of gods (Ge 31:30, 32; 35:2), but more often it is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. �Elo‧him′ is used in the Scriptures with reference to Jehovah himself, to angels, to idol gods (singular and plural), and to men. When applying to Jehovah, �Elo‧him′ is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. (Ge 1:1) Regarding this, Aaron Ember wrote: �That the language of the O[ld] T[estament] has entirely given up the idea of plurality in . . . [�Elo‧him′] (as applied to the God of Israel) is especially shown by the fact that it is almost invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular adjectival attribute. . . . [�Elo‧him′] must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty, being equal to The Great God.��The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. XXI, 1905, p. 208. The TITLE �Elo‧him′ draws attention to Jehovah�s strength as the Creator. It appears 35 times by itself in the account of creation, and every time the verb describing what he said and did is in the singular number. (Ge 1:1�2:4) In him resides the sum and substance of infinite forces. At Psalm 8:5, the angels are also referred to as �elo‧him′, as is confirmed by Paul�s quotation of the passage at Hebrews 2:6-8. They are called beneh′ ha‧�Elo‧him′, �sons of God� (KJ); �sons of the true God� (NW), at Genesis 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; 2:1. Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros, by Koehler and Baumgartner (1958), page 134, says: �(individual) divine beings, gods.� And page 51 says: �the (single) gods,� and it cites Genesis 6:2; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Hence, at Psalm 8:5 �elo‧him′ is rendered �angels� (LXX); �godlike ones� (NW). The word �elo‧him′ is also used when referring to idol gods. Sometimes this plural form means simply �gods.� (Ex 12:12; 20:23) At other times it is the plural of excellence and only one god (or goddess) is referred to. However, these gods were clearly not trinities.�1Sa 5:7b (Dagon); 1Ki 11:5 (�goddess� Ashtoreth); Da 1:2b (Marduk). At Psalm 82:1, 6, �elo‧him′ is used of men, human judges in Israel. Jesus quoted from this Psalm at John 10:34, 35. They were gods in their capacity as representatives of and spokesmen for Jehovah. Similarly Moses was told that he was to serve as �God� to Aaron and to Pharaoh.�Ex 4:16, ftn; 7:1. In many places in the Scriptures �Elo‧him′ is also found preceded by the definite article ha. (Ge 5:22) Concerning the use of ha‧�Elo‧him′, F. Zorell says: �In the Holy Scriptures especially the one true God, Jahve, is designated by this word; . . . �Jahve is the [one true] God� De 4:35; 4:39; Jos 22:34; 2Sa 7:28; 1Ki 8:60 etc.��Lexicon Hebraicum Veteris Testamenti, Rome, 1984, p. 54; brackets his. The Greek Term. The usual Greek equivalent of �El and �Elo‧him′ in the Septuagint translation and the word for �God� or �god� in the Christian Greek Scriptures is the‧os′. In essence the true God is not a nameless God. His name is Jehovah. There's were much of the confusion comes in "elohim" "god" "lord" "allah" The same is true of the Greek term for God, The‧os′ Here what I'm saying, these are NOT names, they are TITLES. At Mount Sinai Jehovah told Moses: �I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.��Deut. 18:15-19 This was not referring to none other then Jesus, not muhammad who did not speak in God's name. Threw out the Gospel Jesus spoke in God's name. |
Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 9:09am
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Nice post Nur.. good information Language is just language... Allah created us from different nations so we can leanr from one another. As long as there is One God being worshipped the name is not all that relevant. Considering some people do not even have the capacity to speak it seems like a very minor point. There are thousands of languages. We are all descendants of Adam and Eve. We are all brothers and sisters. Guess I don't get your point. Must be me. ------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi |
Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 2:13pm
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Shibb,
Who cares about God's name? Who judges accuracy based on the oldest text? Just because a book maybe 7,000 years old doesn't mean it is the most accurate or the most righteous of all books. what if someone so clever who divises a set of chapters clearly based on their own imgaination? If God is all-knowing and powerful and has created the many diverse cultures that exist today, why would God care what name they call him especially if the name is meant for him and him alone? I agree with Hayfa that you cannot sit there and refute Islam or the name Islam calls God simply because its different than the book that was 7,000 years old. Heck! if you call Yehovah or Jehovah Jesus in a synagouge Jesus would laugh at you! (I'm assuming) fgor they don't even believe in Jesus let alone the Christian interpretation of scripture. Seriously this is a pitiful argument for a pitiful thread.
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Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 4:51pm
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So then we agree that his name is Jehovah, history show and prove all the prophets in the Bible used it. You will agree that all is what matters. How important is God�s name? Consider the model prayer that Jesus Christ gave in the Gospel. It begins this way: �Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.� (Matthew 6:9) Later, Jesus prayed to God: �Father, glorify your name.� In response, God spoke from heaven, saying: �I both glorified it and will glorify it again.� (John 12:28) Clearly, God�s name is of the utmost importance.
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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 3:07am
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So then we agree that his name is Jehovah, history show and prove all
the prophets in the Bible used it. You will agree that all is what
matters. No we are not agreeing to anything.. just commenting on the inane, pointless topic. I am not A Christian. I do not follow the Bible as we have today. Muslims do not. That is okay. Believe what you want. If you want to call God Jehovah. Go for it. ------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi |
Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 7:28am
Actually the 7,000 came from this:
THE divine name is found more than 7,000 times in the Holy Scriptures, from the topic starter  -------------  ~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 3:37pm
| As Salamu Alaikum Nur,good job you really did your homework you know how we love AL Haqq.May Allah reward you for your efforts. |
Posted By: Akhe Abdullah
Date Posted: 11 August 2009 at 3:43pm
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Posted By: Shibboleth
Date Posted: 14 August 2009 at 9:51am
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This addresses anyone that believes that the God of the heavens does
not have a name, or that it doesn't matter what we call him. **Imagine,
we the creation giving the creator of the whole universe a name or not
addressing him by the personal name he has giving us** My Arabic friends say Yahuwah. "Forms of the divine name in different languages" Awabakal - Yeh�a |