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Posted By: abuayisha
Subject: Mecca Super-Hotel
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 9:41am
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An artist's impression of the proposed super-hotel in Mecca. Photograph: Raffles Hotels and Resorts

The http://www.ummah.net/hajj/ - pilgrimage to Mecca has always involved hardship and sacrifice, whether months spent travelling on foot through barren valleys and sleeping in the open with no shelter from the elements or stripping oneself of earthly trappings. But help is at hand for the pilgrim who cannot bear to be without comfort while executing the fifth pillar of http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/islam - Islam .

http://www.raffles.com/en_ra/Mainnavigation/home - Raffles , which gave thirsty wanderers the Singapore Sling, is opening a luxury hotel in http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/mecca - Mecca offering pilgrims a coffee sommelier, a chocolate room where chefs will prepare bespoke pralines and truffles, and a 24-hour butler service.

Undeterred by restrictions on beautifying oneself during the http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/practices/hajj_1.shtml - Hajj , the hotel will also have segregated gyms, beauty parlours, grooming salons and a spa.

There are strict rules regarding personal hygiene and behaviour during the hajj, and forbidden activities include sex, the cutting of hair and nails and the trimming of beards. These bars are lifted once certain rituals are complete, but Muslims are generally expected to http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/20/saudiarabia.religion - forget worldly thoughts and activities and focus on the divine.

Mohammed Arkobi, the general manager of the new hotel, did not explain how a chocolate room and spa would help pilgrims achieve spiritual fulfilment. Nor was he able to comment on how the amenities complied with the ethos of the hajj, which is about simplicity and humility.

But he did say that the "comprehensive range of services" were designed to meet the needs of the "discerning" travellers they were targeting.

"Ultimately, the hotel's sophisticated ambience, our range of features and highly personalised service delivery such as those offered through our 24-hour butler service will help to ensure that our residents' overall experience will be enriching."

Arkobi said the hotel was a three-minute walk away from the Grand Mosque, the Masjid al-Haram, and that a "spacious outdoor dining terrace" would provide direct views of it.

It is being developed by the Saudi Binladin Company, one of the largest construction firms in the Arab world, which has also been responsible for overseeing the expansion of the holy mosques in Mecca and Medina. The company was set up by Mohammed bin Laden, father of Osama, although the family is now estranged from its most infamous son.

Around 4 million people visit Mecca for hajj, with millions more passing through the rest of the year to perform the lesser pilgrimage. Estimates for future numbers vary wildly � from 10 million to 20 million � and the landscape of Mecca has undergone a dramatic transformation over the decades to cope with demand. Homes have been bulldozed, mountains flattened and http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/shame-of-the-house-of-saud-shadows-over-mecca-474736.html - historic sites razed to provide more hotel rooms and amenities.

One development that will dominate the skyline and the Grand Mosque is the Makkah Royal Clock Tower, operated by international hoteliers https://www.fairmont.com/en_fa/articles/recentnews/fairmontpartnerswiththeprincealbertiiofmonacofoundation.htm - Fairmont , which is majority owned by a company chaired by HRH Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz Alsaud, the Saudi king's nephew.

The tower will be among the tallest in the world, 577 metres (1,893ft) high on completion, and its dimensions, including a clockface measuring 40 metres across that will be visible 10 miles away, make it five times larger than Big Ben.

In addition to 1,005 guest rooms, the tower will also house a lunar observation centre and Islamic museum. It lies in the massive http://www.abrajal-bait.com/ - Abraj Al Bait complex , part of the King Abdul Aziz endowment project aimed at upgrading the precincts of Mecca and Medina.

Mecca's makeover is alarming international activists, such as Ali al-Ahmed, the director of the Washington-based http://www.gulfinstitute.org/artman/publish/index.shtml - Institute for Gulf Affairs , a thinktank analysing events and issues in the region. Ahmed, an outspoken critic of the Saudi regime, said many factors were driving the changes.

"The al-Sauds want to make Mecca like Dubai, it is a money-making operation. They destroy ancient buildings because they do not want any history other than their own, they see it as competition. They destroy and dispose of artefacts."

He also expressed concern that the arrival of luxury brands would increase the price of a pilgrimage. A 2009 http://www.haj.co.uk/ - platinum Hajj package from a UK tour operator costs �6,400 for 16 nights full board, based on double occupancy.

"By developing Mecca in this way they are making it inaccessible and unaffordable for the majority of Muslims. It will only be for the elite," Ahmed said.

The city's increasing westernisation was a "perversion of the http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/religion - religion ", encouraging activities that were at odds with the spirit of the hajj, he said.

"The Saudis may come across as austere but members of the ruling class have billions of dollars between them � even the muftis live in palaces with chandeliers."

Development of the holy cities of Mecca and Medina should not come at the expense of religious practice, he said, before turning his attention to the lack of protest from Muslims around the world.

"Let's take Jerusalem as an example. Muslims are outraged when Israelis do something in the Old City, but in Mecca things are being systematically destroyed and nobody is raising an eyebrow. It is a catastrophe."

Raffles Mecca is due to open in April 2010.




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Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 12:54pm
Well, I am raising my eyebrows. This is a ridiculous waste of money. What about feeding the poor pilgrams in Mecca? And how about distributing wealth amongst those that can never afford to do the hajj in the first place?
This is completely against how the Prophet(pbuH) wanted us to behave. NO wonder he was sad before he died, when he knew Islam would not be the same again. Actually I will go as far as to say what an insult it is to the Prophet(pbuH)

Anyone with me on this?


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Posted By: SteppeNomad
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 1:32pm
You shouldnt question the oil shaykhs and there motives, they for the Salaaa----fiiii way, if they aint issued a fatwa saying its bidah,  harram  or shirk etc then its not a problem we must understand and follow or we are grave worshippers.
 
 
Next they will try to build over the Sahaba ra graves and people will still say, "brothers we should reform ourselves first", "masallah they follow """shariah""", "at least they dont gamble, drink and wine with thy mistress on the road" < being sarcastic, just incase anyone thinks im seriouse.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 4:07pm
It just shows that the Saudi Government is fully controlled by the Evil-Dajjal-Worshipping Zionists. Their thoughts are mainly $$$$$$. The non-Musims are not allowed to enter Makkah, but their westernised ideas yes. Trying to stray the minds of the pilgrims away from God but instead indulging in the comfort of dunya.

I would like to relate my experience when I went to Hajj in year 2000. We were staying in Makkah Hilton and since that was my first time staying in a 5 star hotel, it was very ....Wow!

The food there was first class. And that was the main reason why I did not really like it. At first I indulged in the luxurious food until at one time, I felt very lazy to perform the extra ibadah like tawaf sunnah. Compared to those majority of the Indonesians who stayed very far from Masjidil Haram and staying most of the time in the Mosque from Zohr till Ishak performing the ibadah like reciting  the Quran and tawaf sunnah.

These comforts of dunya would make us forget our purpose to be there in the first place. Instead of staying more often in the masjid for ibadah, some maybe would prefer to stay in the comfort of the air-con rooms.

But Allah is Al-Aleem - Most Knowing. Those who strive in the path of Allah with sincerity will get more rewards from HIm.



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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 4:57pm
Well, give me the Makkah Hilton any day of the week.Thumbs%20Up


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 5:04pm
Quote But help is at hand for the pilgrim who cannot bear to be without comfort while executing the fifth pillar of http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/islam - Islam .
 
sure but what about the poor average person down the street who would like to stay but can't afford???
What is the price in staying in this hotel? being 5 star well that is usually a tip its expensive as usually 5 star hotels are Tongue
 
 
Quote but Muslims are generally expected to http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/20/saudiarabia.religion - forget worldly thoughts and activities and focus on the divine.
 
 
well................yes...........but, if you've never stayed in such a place before with all the luxury and all the trimmings that is on offer....................... Wink
 
And having this tall monster of a building overshadowing everything.............its hard not to look up and wonder about staying in such as place.........Wink
 
 
 
arrhh........you'll have to forgive me I've got this thing at the moment about buildings getting built but the average working person can't afford, there's a lot of infrustracture and accommadation/houses, apartments going up but the poor average worker cannot afford..ok so its close to the city but still shouldn't ALL people be able to have a choice in this and not just the higher wage earner???
Angry gets me going at times
 
 


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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 7:41pm
Would surely resurrect theme of the Tower of Babel...It is recorded in the scriptures about what happened after that ...These ignorant and fat agents of  mammon worshipers would not learn any lesson...The plan does have a resemblance to that tower...

Saddam also wasted tons of money and tried to resurrect the heritage of Nebuchadnezzar in Iraq and see where does that country stand today!

Then you wonder about the Bin Ladins!   

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Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:55pm
"at least they dont gamble, drink and wine with thy mistress on the road".

Brother, are you serious?
Sure, many don't in Saudi, instead they go to a western country where shariah law does not exist..then they have a whale of a time! HAve you not seen them?

And surely they are the worshipers and knowing prisoners to their disgusting wealth? To me that smacks of 'haram' in a big way. They should preserve the old Islam, not demolish sites which 'includes the house of Khadijah, the wife of the Prophet, demolished to make way for public lavatories; the house of Abu Bakr, the Prophet's companion, now the site of the local Hilton hotel; the house of Ali-Oraid, the grandson of the Prophet, and the Mosque of abu-Qubais, now the location of the King's palace in Mecca.'

It really doesn't give a good impression to the rest of the non-muslim world.

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Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 9:04pm
'It just shows that the Saudi Government is fully controlled by the Evil-Dajjal-Worshipping Zionists. '

Personally I think it's the other way round.

And should I ever get to do hajj then give me a patch of ground with the poor.

Tho a chocolate room sounds good

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Posted By: Pati
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 11:45pm
Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

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Development of the holy cities of Mecca and Medina should not come at the expense of religious practice, he said, before turning his attention to the lack of protest from Muslims around the world.

Really, I think I miss the point of the meaning of "developement". Recentely, I have been in Dubai, and I saw just buildings and malls... but that's a town without human feeling. It was really sad for me.
 
Everytime I look at this photograph, I feel the same, there is no humanity there, just a building and nothing else. I hope they will not build it at the end, because in my opinion, they will destroy the essence of Macca. And at the same time, I feel that Kaaba should be the center and main place of the city, and if they built such a building just close, they will make it the center of the town.
 
Really, very very sad.
 
Regards


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Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 12:38am
'It just shows that the Saudi Government is fully controlled by the Evil-Dajjal-Worshipping Zionists. '

Personally I think it's the other way round.


Meaning the Saudi Government is controlling The Evil-Dajjal Worshipping Zionists?LOL LOL!

In Protocol 1 of the Protocol of Zionists - http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/protocols.htm

WE ARE DESPOTS
21. It is only with a despotic ruler that plans can be elaborated extensively and clearly in such a way as to distribute the whole properly among the several parts of the machinery of the State: from this the conclusion is inevitable that a satisfactory form of government for any country is one that concentrates in the hands of one responsible person. Without an absolute despotism there can be no existence for civilization which is carried on not by the masses but by their guide, whosoever that person may be. The mob is savage, and displays its savagery at every opportunity. The moment the mob seizes freedom in its hands it quickly turns to anarchy, which in itself is the highest degree of savagery.

22. Behold the alcoholic animals, bemused with drink, the right to an immoderate use of which comes along with freedom. It is not for us and ours to walk that road. The peoples of the GOYIM are bemused with alcoholic liquors; their youth has grown st**id on classicism and from early immorality, into which it has been inducted by our special agents - by tutors, lackeys, governesses in the houses of the wealthy, by clerks and others, by our women in the places of dissipation frequented by the GOYIM. In the number of these last I count also the so-called "society ladies," voluntary followers of the others in corruption and luxury.

23. Our countersign is - Force and Make-believe. Only force conquers in political affairs, especially if it be concealed in the talents essential to statesmen. Violence must be the principle, and cunning and make-believe the rule for governments which do not want to lay down their crowns at the feet of agents of some new power. This evil is the one and only means to attain the end, the good. Therefore we must not stop at bribery, deceit and treachery when they should serve towards the attainment of our end. In politics one must know how to seize the property of others without hesitation if by it we secure submission and sovereignty.

And I personally believe that it is the wish of the Evil Dajjal Worshipping Zionists that people are led away from The One True God Almighty.











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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 12:48am
Originally posted by Pati Pati wrote:

 
 
Everytime I look at this photograph, I feel the same, there is no humanity there, just a building and nothing else. I hope they will not build it at the end, because in my opinion, they will destroy the essence of Macca. And at the same time, I feel that Kaaba should be the center and main place of the city, and if they built such a building just close, they will make it the center of the town.
 
Really, very very sad.
 
Regards


Indeed very sad. But the essence of Mecca would not be destroyed.

Muslims all over the world, either young or old, rich or poor congregate at Mecca to perform ibadah, to purify their soul, recharge their soul with blessings from Allah. Nothing else matters. Whether one is staying in a motel far away from the mosque or the nearby tall hotels, the most important is our heart or soul, our intention.

As to the tall buildings at the surrounding Arab countries, it reminded me of a book I read about the end times. The last place that would be destroyed in the end times is the place near the centre of the earth that is near Mecca and Medinah. While other places in the world started to crumble and destroyed, Mecca and Medinah would be the last standing before everything becomes nothing.

Astaghfirullah - Beg forgiveness from Allah.


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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 4:41am
Pati I am with you on Dubai.. though the airport is really nice for weary travelers.. lol That is why I would not want to go there..

I am with you Martha, I'd want to be with the "average folk." Though it would be kinda funny if you and I were in a hotel like that.. I don't think we'd fit in...lol

Would anyone not say that it is Shaytan leading people astray?






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Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 6:16am
Nur,
THe Protocols are a proven fraud as abuayisha has already pointed out.
Laugh if you so want.
And what is this book you refer to? Would so love to read it. Show me the voice of the Prophet stating the same then I will start to listen.
OK the zionists as you call them might lead people away, but I don't see the Saudi's encouraging the poor believers to attend the hajj. They will be held accountable for that too.


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Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 6:22am
Salams Hayfa,

Lol, we SO wouldn't fit in.
You know, if our dear Prophet(pbuH) gave away his wealth, then surely that is a sign to the Saudi's to not take advantage of the poor by making Mecca in-accessible. Build some free lodgings and give then free food so they can fulfill their duty as a muslim to perform the hajj. They could surely give away some of these tasty chocolates and truffles...oh sorry, the richness of this would upset their bellies.
How many saudi's mix with the poor? Not too many is my guess.

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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 6:58am
Saudi oil is finite so likely they are planning for this inevitability.  Also, the numbers of those making hajj and providing accommodations, with limited land space, you can only go up, given their going up big time, but I do think some legitimate planning has gone into this project.  Hajj provides good income to the region, not to mention umrah visits throughout the year.  Muslim are among the richest on the plant, so why not provide a comfortable (money making) experience for those who can afford it?  Trade is halal.


Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 8:25am
Hehe, how high can you make a cardboard hotel for the poor?
I get your point..they need good facilities, continued electricity is crucial,soon there will be no lamp oil left [IMG]smileys/smiley36.gif" align="middle" />

Am only joking of course [IMG]smileys/smiley2.gif" align="middle" />

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Posted By: SteppeNomad
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 9:47am
Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

"at least they dont gamble, drink and wine with thy mistress on the road".

Brother, are you serious?
Sure, many don't in Saudi, instead they go to a western country where shariah law does not exist..then they have a whale of a time! HAve you not seen them?

And surely they are the worshipers and knowing prisoners to their disgusting wealth? To me that smacks of 'haram' in a big way. They should preserve the old Islam, not demolish sites which 'includes the house of Khadijah, the wife of the Prophet, demolished to make way for public lavatories; the house of Abu Bakr, the Prophet's companion, now the site of the local Hilton hotel; the house of Ali-Oraid, the grandson of the Prophet, and the Mosque of abu-Qubais, now the location of the King's palace in Mecca.'
 
I was joking sis, I would never defend these filthy oil shaykhs who issues fatwas to kill Muslims, forget that, who build over the historic relics of Islam, who force Muslims into slavery and starvation on the streets of Mecca and issue a fatwa to the whole world about how bidah and harram everything is, I was trying to say that kind of reply would be what our �sala---fiiiii� brothers and people with serious IDC (identity crises) would say.

 

I was trying to say, these people with Identity issues will always make excuses for their Saudi and Dubain masters. Remember according to them, we should reform ourselves before we criticize these dogs (their masters) who build toilets over Islams holy sites.

 
Hope that makes it clear.


Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 11:00am
Salams Bro SteppeNomad
Phew! You had me worried there!
Thanks

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Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 11:29am
This seems like another attempt to blame the west. How long will you blame western culture for something that has been going on for centuries!?! Most human cultures build large towers to exalt themselves to the heavens and be equal to gods and God. This is not the western cultures fault. Most egostistical building designers want to get their monies worth by building a suitable structure that not only exalts their employer but also beats out their competition.


Posted By: Nur_Ilahi
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 6:40pm
Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

Nur,
THe Protocols are a proven fraud as abuayisha has already pointed out.

The Protocols of the Evil Dajjal Worshipping Zionists is not a fraud. When you read it, then you know. I would say 90 percent of this evil plan had already been achieved by them. Read it yourself and you will know. They even mentioned something like Christianity would be a failure.  And how true it is now.

Protocol 9
CHRISTIAN YOUTH DESTROYED


10. WE HAVE FOOLED, BEMUSED AND CORRUPTED THE YOUTH OF THE "GOYIM" BY REARING THEM IN PRINCIPLES AND THEORIES WHICH ARE KNOWN TO US TO BE FALSE ALTHOUGH IT IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INCULCATED.

4:3 ������.This is the reason why IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE "GOYIM" THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.

WE SHALL DESTROY THE CLERGY
17:2. WE HAVE LONG PAST TAKEN CARE TO DISCREDIT THE PRIESTHOOD OF "GOYIM," and thereby to ruin their mission on earth which in these days might still be a great hindrance to us. Day by day its influence on the peoples of the world is falling lower. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE HAS BEEN DECLARED EVERYWHERE, SO THAT NOW ONLY YEARS DIVIDE US FROM THE MOMENT OF THE COMPLETE WRECKING OF THAT CHRISTIAN RELIGION: as to other religions we shall have still less difficulty in dealing with them, but it would be premature to speak of this now. We shall act clericalism and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their influence move in retrogressive proportion to its former progress.
http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/protocols.htm

Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

And what is this book you refer to? Would so love to read it. Show me the voice of the Prophet stating the same then I will start to listen.

Martha,

I read the book on Makkah and Medina in my language before I went for Hajj 2000. I could not recall the book, but scientifically, everything is circumbulating in an anti-clockwise direction just like this earth circumbulating the sun, just like the Muslims who circumbulate the Kaabah. Perhaps this video may prove to you that the centre of the earth is indeed Makkah Almukarramah.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3457123/the_miracle_of_kaaba/

One  of the prophecies of our dear beloved Prophet Muhammad salallahualaihiwassalam is the end times. In one of the famous hadiths -

"Then tell me about the Hour". He said: "The one questioned about it knows no better than the questioner." He said: "Then tell me about its signs." He said: "That the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress and that you will see the barefooted, naked, destitute herdsman competing in constructing lofty buildings.

http://www.40hadith.com/40hadith_en.htm

Among the signs of the Hour mentioned in the hadith Sahih al-Bukhari is �when the destitute (al-buhm) camelherds compete in building tall structures.� Another version in al-Bukhari has: �when the barefoot and the naked are the top leaders (lit. �heads�) of the people.� In the hadith Sahih Muslim: �you shall see the barefoot, naked, indigent (al-`�la) shepherds compete in building tall structures.� Another version in the hadith Muslim states: �when the naked and barefoot are the top leaders of the people.� A third version in the hadith Muslim has: �when you see that the barefoot and naked, the deaf and dumb are the kings of the earth.�

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=678582

Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

OK the zionists as you call them might lead people away, but I don't see the Saudi's encouraging the poor believers to attend the hajj. They will be held accountable for that too.

God is Al-Aleem, Most Knowing, He knows whether we can afford or not. We are not accounted for if we could not afford it as he Al-Adl - Most Just and Ar-Raheem - Most Merciful.  As to the accountability of some the wealthy Saudis, indeed they have to answer to Allah for their heedlessnes.

However I would like to relate my experience when I was in Mecca. There were many trucks full of packet milk distributed to the pilgrims freely courtesy of the wealthy in Saudi. I guess we cannot tar them all with the same brush.

Subhanallah!







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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.


Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 2:24am
Originally posted by Gibbs Gibbs wrote:

This seems like another attempt to blame the west. How long will you blame western culture for something that has been going on for centuries!?! Most human cultures build large towers to exalt themselves to the heavens and be equal to gods and God. This is not the western cultures fault. Most egostistical building designers want to get their monies worth by building a suitable structure that not only exalts their employer but also beats out their competition.


Hi Gibbs,
I am not trying to blame the west here. I am looking at it that the Saudi's, as muslims, should not be exploiting others for their own gain. It is my moral belief that we should be fair with all people, and not try to get the upper hand on anything we do. That would also then include any culture that exploits. Not one culture is perfect. I personally do not see why non-muslims are excluded from Mecca also. Somehow just doesn't seem right

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Posted By: martha
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 2:42am
Salams Nur,

I did not come to discuss the Protocols in this topic. So I will not. Perhaps you want to start another thread on this? Just an idea. DOn't be offended.

I don't have a problem with the scientific proofs you have mentioned. But the hadiths you quote are not clear in my mind. I understand what I have read, however no where does it say that Mecca will be the last to remain standing.It does however explain the last days well in as much as Mecca will have lofty buildings. In fact to some it might suggest it could be the first to fall, being the centre of humanity? Please do not think I am being disrespectful, I just do not see what you see right now.

It is good that milk is distributed amongst the poor, tho this in itself is probably not enough for adults that are tired after the pilgrimage to Mecca.

And yes, Allah knows if we can afford the hajj or not so we will not be accountable if we cannot. However this does not excuse the lack of help to the poor. Many are blessed with wealth and the Prophet(pbuH) said we should keep what we need and then give it away to the less fortunate. The basics of Islam and our moral duty to humanity seems to have one out the window for the majority. To pay zakat etc is not enough. I would have no qualms, if I was rich, to aid families. Wealth is not evenly distributed and that is our fault as guardians of the earth.


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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 11:53pm
I wonder if the hotel will give zakat from the profits every year, to the poorer peoples/education/medical resources/community programs ?
Especially just after the Hajj, 10% (if that is the going rate??) of the profits from peoples stays at that time would be a lot. Maybe 5%
 
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 7:04am
But of course!


Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:16pm
Originally posted by Gibbs Gibbs wrote:

This seems like another attempt to blame the west. How long will you blame western culture for something that has been going on for centuries!?! Most human cultures build large towers to exalt themselves to the heavens and be equal to gods and God. This is not the western cultures fault. Most egostistical building designers want to get their monies worth by building a suitable structure that not only exalts their employer but also beats out their competition.

My friend, if the Arabian lands were not under American boots there would have developed and evolved a republic with some equitable system without illegitimate princeliness...how contradictory it is that west doesn't get tired of preaching democracy (even corrupt) in resource poor muslim states but  kingdoms or sheikdoms(profligate lackeys) in oil rich ones...what gives?

 It is not a question of blame rather it is fact... It all started when the sick man of Europe(Ottomans) fell and Muslim lands became a fair game of neocolonialism, don't  plead ignorance about this ... and that was 86 year ago to be exact!
Now about the tower the concentration of easy money in few hands creates this kind of monstrosities to show off, old India have examples galore cuz there one rule for prince and another for the pauper/commoner...This looks more like Las Vegas inspired in its gaudiness...


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