�Whereas it is widely recognized that the US-led war in Afghanistan is illegal under international law, because it was never authorized by the UN Security Council, most Americans have believed that it was morally justified as a response to the 9/11 attacks, and many believe it is still justified as a necessary means to prevent another attack originating from that region.

My lecture will present evidence showing that both of these beliefs are untrue, so that the 9/11 Truth Movement and more traditional Peace and Anti-War groups should be able to combine forces to oppose this illegal and immoral war.� � David Ray Griffin

David Ray Griffin speaks to a full house in Chicago, IL on April 27, 2010

Well Sister, if conspiracy is trite, I�ll use speculation.  Mr. Griffin speculates that his country has done awful things to accommodate a Caspian Sea pipeline through Afghanistan, and I simply don�t agree.  What is clear to me, and I would also venture to say, clear also to those on the 9/11 Commission, is that we don�t have complete transparency on the dreadful events of September 11, 2001.  The United States as well as other countries has not been completely open and forthcoming.  Why?  The �why� is open for speculation from Griffin and a whole host of other theorist; present company included.  Now, I know Dick Cheney has an ominous grin, but I refuse to believe him capable of what Mr. Griffin suggests.  I am not particularly troubled by lack of complete and open transparency because all states and countries have secrets � and legitimate needs for undisclosed information, as do families and individuals.  Who killed JFK, and how Princess Diana met her fate, all open to speculation and 9/11 as well.  

Sr. Hayfa, you ask, �why not?�; well, Griffin�s hypothesis is extreme in my opinion.  Slavery wasn�t invented by the United States and was pretty common in all cultures.  We are Muslims and do not defend evil or wrong, but I really don�t view a political decision by the American government to fight the spread of communism as an indicator of evil, or as morally equivalent to Nazism.  My heart goes out to the helpless and oppressed people of the world � throw-away people, but certainly you don�t suggest this is all the United States� fault or responsibility. 

Umm Hufsah wrote: Brother then you can speculate all you want and as long as you want to your hearts content while ignoring the facts that America is the far and none most biggest oil user in the world and it would have run out of oil by now if it didn't attack the middle - east to secure the world's last 60% of oil reserves that happen to be in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon Oman and Yemen - yup its no secret they are all on America's 'hit list' which Bush disclosed himself and Obama executing it right infront of every ones eyes.

What nonsense. Do you just make up this nonsense as you go along and hope no one will challenge these specious claims? The fact is, the U.S. didn�t �attack� the Middle East. The fact is, the U.S. was never in any danger of �running out of oil�.

�Yup�, it�s clear you have no idea what you�re talking about.

 

America's records shows that the oil companies started to flourish enormously since it started the war on middle-east. On the other hand Opium cultivation in Afghanistan which was cut down 90% by hateful Taliban who interfered with CIA's drug dealing business(  started in 1950's) massively, long behold again as soon as the war in Afghanistan was started Opium cultivation is almost back to 100%. Now you can believe all you like that this has not happened but history tells us that it did.

Another of your usual nonsense claims. Identify for us what records show �oil companies started to flourish enormously since it started the war on middle-east.� Be specific and provide relevant examples.

Secondly, 9/11 Official theory or story has completely failed to prove itself true - it failed to establish scientific facts even after 10 years of speculating and distorting the laws of physics to fit it to their desired explanation. NIST having completely and miserably failing to explain their concocted up theories they resorted to ridiculous speculation that '9/11 was a miracle' - do you fancy believing in miracles. Now, the science don't understand miracles it understands every thing in terms of laws of physics, chemistry etc. Also, believing 9/11 is actually a miracle is not part of any religion on this earth.

Another of your usual nonsense claims. The results of the 9-11 Commission reports provide credible answers to the events surrounding Islamic terrorism that resulted in the attacks on the U.S.  It�s unfortunate that willful ignorance and a need to believe in conspiracy theories grips the limited imaginations of those who see conspiracies that facts have clearly refuted.

In this case, a government committing a crime against its own country called treason, open investigation is perfectly legal. It is governments duty to be honest to its citizens. Since your government broke every rule in the book of democracy (including turning a blind eye to the financial crisis its citizens are facing while the elites are getting super Rich) we can't expect any loyalty from them to the citizens. So, the American government is not democratic government any more it is a dictator where any thing perfectly legal and right which goes against it does not matter. You can call your government 'untouchables' a family of criminals who are usually above law and Justice and don't like people snooping around in their closets because if they open the door few old rotten bodies might fall out. And of course this corrupt family certainty does not want any one to get hold of their 'black dairy' and end up disclosing their vile and despicable secrets. Its logical why would they allow an open enquiry/investigation? it will be like committing suicide and rich criminals do love to live.

More of the tripe that defines self-hating islamists. You see conspiracies because you are incapable of seeing anything that doesn�t conform to your limited worldview.

Being invisible like this does not mean that people won't fight back to bring this government to justice there will always be struggle to make the truth prevail whether you and your government simply don't like it or simply don't want to believe it.... Therefore, any one who wants to believe in the ridiculous official stories..... now officially called 'a miracle' can do as much as they want while Griffin and his supporters which includes scientists, engineers, medical experts, chemical experts, lawyers, survivors of 9/11 giving testimonies, firefighters and architects make Official phony baloney to hit rock bottom. Sorry, sis Martha I don't like theories especially the Official ones as they are usually full of too many holes to be believable although very amusing and I do love facts though :).