And the last one
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Topic: And the last one
Posted By: elijah-boy
Subject: And the last one
Date Posted: 10 June 2010 at 8:16pm
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Islam literally translates as submission.
What benefits you see in submitting your will to god and why you think it is beneficial to get rid of your own will? |
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Posted By: xx__Ace__xx
Date Posted: 11 June 2010 at 4:18am
You don't have to be turned away by thinking you're getting on anybody's nerves, if so, cuz you're not. Feel free to keep the questions coming, as many as ya want.  By submitting my will to God, I believe I commit to my own welfare, since as I might've already mentioned earlier, God demands obedience from me for my own betterment. He's not needy of anything. He's pure. He doesn't need any benefit. He's above it all. I know whatever God orders me to do, is the right way to live, hence you could say believing in the Almighty definitely gives me a sense of right and wrong. Faith, I believe, is extremely mandatory for mankind. Honestly, human beings are weak. Too busy and occupied in their own little world. Doing whatever the heck they feel like doing. Corruption and injustice is everywhere. What we need is faith. Faith to me makes a big difference. When you know there's truly one mighty power out there, who's gifting you with a perfectly right way a human should live life, you feel yourself wanting to follow it. Yes, with the state of the world it could sound like a distant dream, and individually you'd think it mightn't make a massive difference, but you still do it. For satisfaction. For faith. To satisfy God. Satisfy your ownself of having done your part. You think twice before committing wrong deeds while you develop a whole new meaning behind doing a right deed. Similarly, and importantly, you know how and why to love. And why not to hate. To surpass hatred and love instead, even if your anger makes you feel otherwise, for the sake of God. Takes time yeah, to perfect the faith. But believe me, when you reach there, you feel on top of the world. Due to all these of the countless possible reasons, I believe faith is the only power mankind can truly survive on. /K. K. K. End rant.  |
Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 11 June 2010 at 11:43am
What Ace said . . . Also, in Islam - Allah (God) holds us to a higher (better) standard than we would hold ourselves as humans, He expects us to behave in a certain 'model' manner. By submitting to His Will we are trying to achieve that better standard that leads us to be better human beings. Some people don't have a very good moral compass, especially for them - it is necessary to submit to Allah's Will - which He conveyed to us through a set of guidelines. Also, we don't "get rid of our will" , I don't think that's possible. Your Will/power will remain in you till you die - you choose to submit to God, you don't get rid of your will power. ------------- "O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young." |
elijah-boy wrote:Posted By: elijah-boy
Date Posted: 12 June 2010 at 9:07am
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ACE:
: "Similarly, and importantly, you know how and why to love. And why not to hate. To surpass hatred and love instead" ----- Nice words. But a few post ago you just said that rape is ok, that std and aids is a woman's fault - that is if you are sexually provoked. "What happens when you get sexually provocated, lol?Countless rape cases, STD, AIDS, etc, anyone" In my opinion you are incapable of loving, but capable of self-deception. |
Posted By: xx__Ace__xx
Date Posted: 12 June 2010 at 7:26pm
Yeah I know 
I said rape is ok?! I said STD and AIDS is a woman's fault?! rofl. You high or something? Quit bluffing and just quote those words of mine where I exactly ever said that. And there I was intending to opinionate otherwise, too bad I failed at assuming you'd be unable to comprehend what I meant.... or for some reason you're probably just putting up the act here of me claiming what I didn't. ;)
Perhaps talking out of context? And even that's being used to imply the false thing? No prob, I'll just quote the entire thing right now ;) Here we go,
^Quoted from the original thread he was on and on falsely whining about : http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16890
In my opinion you're pretty talented at deceiving people, fortunately on the extreme negative end of the scale though. Evidence backfires on you I truly appreciate your concern for me, but striving towards improving my faith in the Almighty isn't what I call 'self-deception' ;) |
Posted By: elijah-boy
Date Posted: 12 June 2010 at 8:24pm
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ACE:
How old are you? |
Posted By: xx__Ace__xx
Date Posted: 13 June 2010 at 5:28am
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Edit : Nah, nevermind, it wasn't worth saying. I turned two just five days ago. |
Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 13 June 2010 at 6:06am
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Hi Elijah, We never completely get rid of our "own will," We are given limited free will. Say I can pick one leg up but not the other one at the same time. People choose- freely to submit to "God' will" -or shall preference. We choose to refrain or engage in in an activity because we are told what is most pleasing to God. ------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi |
Posted By: elijah-boy
Date Posted: 13 June 2010 at 10:51am
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:I'mma go about asking his/her age to shift away from the topic
--- The only reason I asked you about your age was the following line of thinking: "Maybe he doesn't mean what he says, he mentioned he was in high school - maybe he is just a kid." 18 years old is perfectly fine age to taking responsibility for his words and following it with actions. We part ways having our own views regarding what stands behind the words that each one of us said. That's fine, sharing opinion doesn't mean we have to agree. |
Posted By: elijah-boy
Date Posted: 13 June 2010 at 11:07am
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HAYFA:
"Say I can pick one leg up but not the other one at the same time" --- You either (for reasons that I don't understand) trying to oversimplify things or just giving the analogy that cannot explain anything. If you unable to levitate by raising both legs at the same time doesn't illustrate anything. I actually feel st**id talking about it. You didn't answer the first question about benefits of submitting your will to God. |
Posted By: xx__Ace__xx
Date Posted: 13 June 2010 at 12:51pm
I see. You could've just asked me that straight away, lol. The thing is, Islam acknowledges that human beings aren't perfect, but as long as you give your best shot of following your religious beliefs, you're on the right track. Well, I fail to understand that if you so doubted of me actually following what I elaborated on in my first post, which you have the right of, why didn't you then ask me that and instead attempted to point out possible flaws by falsely accusing me of claiming things which I wouldn't, not even in a zillion years, ever claim?
True. |
Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 13 June 2010 at 7:57pm
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Benefits: many, but I actually find I live a "saner" life, less caught up in the mindlessness of much of society. I feel I am far calmer and more in touch with the value of my life. I waste less time. And inshallah - God willing I will be able to go to Jannah- heaven. ------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi |
Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 13 June 2010 at 8:45pm
..for me it has to do with comprehending the purpose of my life and my relationship with my creator. When I fully understand that reality, submitting to my maker brings a smile deep in my heart, a relax and confident feeling. To fulfill this act, submission, I only do it as a natural act after using what my maker has blessed me with so there is no regrets or bad feelings like I said it's the opposite, it's a peaceful fulfillment of my purpose. I don't think you get rid of your own will when you submit, you re still free to go other way, but once you have understood your purpose to ignore or reject it is like knowingly putting yourself in harms way, why would I do that, knowingly. Benefits in submission: When you acknowledge and serve your purpose as intended by you maker, you fulfilled your part, thus not failing your purpose and for such that do not fail, there is pleasure and favor of their maker for them, and who can provide better than the one, who holds the keys to ALL, and acknowledges those who fulfilled their purpose vs those who did not. Hasan ------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62 |