Jibreel
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Topic: Jibreel
Posted By: nico
Subject: Jibreel
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 1:54pm
If you have been reading some threads of late, a poster called Jibreel has accused me falsely of being a racist. I am creating this thread for Jibreel to show all members of the community this "supposed" racism, with explicit examples of this "Racism", not innuendo and manipulation of my texts. Also it is also up to the community to see the ignorance of this poster, and her inability to read properly. So I URGE Jibreel to show me this "Racism".
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Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 09 August 2005 at 5:43pm
Private Message Sent by : nico wrote:
Sent by : nico
Sent : 09 August 2005 at 2:01pm
I have sent a PM to the moderator about your actions...and I have
created a thread for you to express in explicitly clear terms how I am a
racist. If you do not participate in that thread, then you surely have NO
right to call me a racist if you cannot prove it.
GET READY! I've dealt with ppl like you
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you dealt with ppl like me before? and what kind of people is that,
the people you called non whites?
If i said the same thing to you i would be racist wouldn't' i ?
But your the only one around here with these views, and you just did it
again..., come to think of it, from this post, it sounds like you will keep
doing this again because you really do not have respect for certain
people you described., people which you referred to as non whites in
your other posts that you never met, and who you openly stated you
HATE, and now claim you delt with before and are "people like me"?.
Have you noticed that not one muslim here ever expressed such things
like you do?, and its easy to spot people pretending they are muslims, so
why do you hate (in your own words) non whites so much?
Nico, who ever you are, You and i are not alike at all., get over it
_ i never said i hated you like yet you stated you hated certain people.
_ i never judged you by appearance, yet you compared muslims as non
whites to Europeans with me, i am a European muslim by the way.
So why don't you explain yourself if you claim that your actions are NOT
RACIST ATTACKS at the DARK, especially when you go out of your way to
argue about the very hate crimes you feed off.
You have not succeeded to intimidate or scare anyone with your viciously
angry posts, its you that is angry not us,
And by your attempting to fit others into the little imaginary world in your
head as non whites you fear, you openly exposed the real problem here
and its not anyone elses problem but yours..,the only reasons i post this
at all is because it is healthy for muslims to share the truth since it adds
faith to our faith..
nice dreams
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Posted By: nico
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 2:02pm
you dealt with ppl like me before? and what kind of people is that, the people you called non whites?
No a category of people that if I said outloud would probably get me banned...lets just say ignorant pretentious people like yourself.
If i said the same thing to you i would be racist wouldn't' i ?
No bc nothing there had to do with race, learn how to read.
But your the only one around here with these views, and you just did it again...,
How is it that the moderators are allowing this OBVIOUS illiteracy continue? Its shocking to the nth degree.
Have you noticed that not one muslim here ever expressed such things like you do?, and its easy to spot people pretending they are muslims, so why do you hate (in your own words) non whites so much?
Since you have NOT proved my racism, please tell me what in God's name are you talking about. Frankly lets raise the stakes a little here, are you wiling to swear on the Qu'ran that you can honestly believe I am a racist, and then able to show thme that?
Nico, who ever you are, You and i are not alike at all.,
Allah Akbar my friend...Allah Akbar, if I were like you I would have committed suicide a LONG time ago.
_ i never said i hated you like yet you stated you hated certain people.
I never said i hated you until you starting lying, and trying to show me as a person I am not.
_ i never judged you by appearance, yet you compared muslims as non whites to Europeans with me, i am a European muslim by the way.
SHOW ME THE QUOTE...why are you refusing to show the evidence? Where have I judged on apperance? You don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Look its simple Jibreel...ask yourself why no one else is here supporting your stance? Simple...bc they know ur wrong...where' the Ummah when you need it eh Jibreel? Soak in the puddle of intelligence I call ignorance. Go and sin that's what you do best you lying, manipulative, fake Muslim.
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Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 12:57am
nico wrote:
J-you dealt with ppl like me before? and what kind of
people is that, ?
the people you called non whites?
nico, No a category of people that if I said outloud would probably get me
banned...lets just say ignorant pretentious people like yourself. |
when all else fails you try to call people "names", wow that sounds
like a smart idea...maybe they will buy it SINCE it worked on you.
was it not GW Bush that called americans FAT to get his ratings up?
nico wrote:
J- If i said the same thing to you i would be racist
wouldn't' i ?
nico, No bc nothing there had to do with race, learn how to read.
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i read above that you like to put people in a category, Hitler was a
famouse racist who did the same thing, should you judge peoples
character by a category based on your own opinion altogether seems very
racist by the definition., the categories you have made so far was
classifying Europeans as whites and muslims as non whites, correct?
if you did not mean to be this ignorant then why not excuse it as a
mistake and correct your self?
UNLESS OF COURSE YOUR STAND BY IT.
nico wrote:
How is it that the moderators are allowing this OBVIOUS
illiteracy continue? Its shocking to the nth degree. | i agree, look
at all your posts, you should travel a bit and see the world, the U.S. is not
the only country in the world, you would be surprised to what you can
learn from others.
nico wrote:
J-Have you noticed that not one muslim here ever
expressed such things ?
like you do?, and its easy to spot people pretending they are muslims, so
?
why do you hate (in your own words) non whites so much?
nico-Since you have NOT proved my racism, please tell me what in God's
name are you talking about. Frankly lets raise the stakes a little here, are
you wiling to swear on the Qu'ran that you can honestly believe I am a
racist, and then able to show thme that? |
You ask me to prove something to you that you yourself allready proved 4
times and also added to the fire? you admited to hating others, its done.
you would of corrected yourself if it was not TRUE by now rather
then to stoop even lower by the sad use of name calling people.
I believe you can change, but that is your responsibility to take back the
things you said before you can face this, like the way you classified
muslims as non whites when islam introduced equal rights for all must be
hard for you if you really hate people.
nico wrote:
Nico, who ever you are, You and i are not alike at all.,
Allah Akbar my friend...Allah Akbar, if I were like you I would have
committed suicide a LONG time ago. |
well, it is sad to hear your are suicidal, fortunatly this proves who is the
real threat to the publics safety since you admit here now that its a idea
of yours.
i wonder if you get deported for this in the U.K. of A,
nico wrote:
J_ i never said i hated you like yet you stated you hated
certain people.
I never said i hated you until you starting lying, and trying to show me as
a person I am not. |
was it something that you posted that upset you again?,
Admiting that you hate anyone only proves that you have the problem
here.
Hatred is a evil Intense and animosity feeling towards someone, racism is
hatred towards certain groups of people catergorized by the bigot, so
why bother to defend yourself here of racism when you just stooped
lower?
nico wrote:
J- i never judged you by appearance, yet you compared
muslims as non whites to Europeans with me, i am a European muslim by
the way.
nico-SHOW ME THE QUOTE...why are you refusing to show the evidence?
Where have I judged on apperance? You don't know what the hell you are
talking about. . |
ok
nico wrote:
If you want to get rid of us non-Muslims. then
surely you would support a racist wanting to get rid of all non-whites off
a forum about Europe? | sounds very racist to me,
explain how you came to the conclussion of this comparason with europe
to muslims as been non whites if islam is a faith?
nico wrote:
Look its simple Jibreel...ask yourself why no one else is
here supporting your stance? Simple...bc they know ur wrong...where' the
Ummah when you need it eh Jibreel? Soak in the puddle of intelligence I
call ignorance. Go and sin that's what you do best you lying,
manipulative, fake Muslim. |
I had no idea you wanted support from your friends here, i have ALLAH as
my witness, i am believer remember?.
BUT, this is a very interesting post you just made, because it says
something satanic about you if you realy knew Islam that well.
for 1, You claim to know the Islam better then muslims,
Iblis aka SATAN also made this statement in front of ALLAH when he
showed his envy for Adam pbuh; ( Adam means MANKIND in Hebrew) and
ALLAH cursed him and all who follow his ways until the last day for this.
Some have said that the greatest trick Satan ever played was to fool them
into believing that he never existed., if they believed in anything at this
point.
Islam existed before man kind., submission to allah is performed by every
galaxy upon galaxy and the life forms in all the worlds between them and
they all bow to allah's will; all except which are used as fuel for the hell
fire.
even magicians in the crafts know that they have to be rightious in order
for the universal laws to take effect, and there is nothing they can do to
fool allah., like we all heard with Moses (pbuh) and the magicians who
ended up bowing in islam.
So if you claim to know ISLAM better then muslims, why would you play
Satan and attack the believers if you knew better then to harm allah's
own? your allah's enemy by saying this.
To know the truth and not live up to your part by name calling others and
using racial slurs etc etc. sounds like a very unclean spirit to me.
HELL IS A REAL PLACE NICO,
2.90 Evil is that for which
they have sold their souls-- that they should deny what Allah has
revealed, out of envy that Allah should send down of His grace on
whomsoever of His servants He pleases; so they have made themselves
deserving of wrath upon wrath, and there is a disgraceful punishment for
the unbelievers.
2.109 Many of the followers of the Book wish that they could turn you
back into unbelievers after your faith, out of envy from themselves, (even)
after the truth has become manifest to them; but pardon and forgive, so
that Allah should bring about His command; surely Allah has power over
all things.
3.19 Surely the (true) religion with Allah is Islam, and those to whom the
Book had been given did not show opposition but after knowledge had
come to them, out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieves in
the communications of Allah then surely Allah is quick in reckoning.
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Who do you worship if your not a muslim and claim to know Islam better?
you recomened i commit suicide, hate you and all the evil below, while i
recomend you repent soon, very soon, for the things you say becuase
hell is all your asking for in life with this anger of yours.
You problems are not with me, but with allah directly if your telling the
truth about your knwoledge of islam.
So why not come to Islam in peace instead of fighting muslims about it,
or is ittht you prefere another religion because you have that idea that
islam is about non whites again?
i would like to know what you think about that?
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Posted By: nico
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 3:30pm
sounds very racist to me, explain how you came to the conclussion of this comparason with europe to muslims as been non whites if islam is a faith?
How does it sound racist if I was comparing what you said that only Muslims should post on here, with what a white supremacist would say on a forum of Europe. Only a white should post about a white continent. See this how you hit urself in the foot, bc the one here is the real "racist" is you not I because you acted like one. That is what I was saying...i have some advice. GO LEARN HOW TO READ.
Here read what I wrote again:
If you want to get rid of us non-Muslims. then surely you would support a racist wanting to get rid of all non-whites off a forum about Europe? |
Where did I say I was that racist, where did I say that there were no whites in Islam?
Jibreell do us all a favour, and shut it.
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Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 4:10pm
Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 10:46pm
nico wrote:
How does it sound racist if I was
comparing what you said that only Muslims should post on here, with
what a white supremacist would say on a forum of Europe. Only a
white should post about a white continent. See this how you hit urself in
the foot, bc the one here is the real "racist" is you not I because you acted
like one. That is what I was saying...i have some advice. GO LEARN HOW
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i am on the floor now laughing., sorry i can not help it.
Comparing anyone to white supremacist when they asked you why you
came to there forums when you hate them does indeed show your racist,
Especially when they tried to help you deal with the issues you have with
coming here in the first place. and hate is a terrible issue.
And, if your not a racist, then explain how your comparisons fit in
different forums or different people to white supremacist or non whites
etc.?
Homophobes go to homosexual forums to attack homosexuals the same
way you do muslims here, same exact reasons, hate, phoebias, and denial
of there motives, so if a homosexual ever asked you why you go to there
forums if you have such issues about it, would you then compare them to
white supremacist or a racist pro non white forum? yet you do with
muslims, why is that yo think race has anything to do with a religion?
i chose my religion and you choose yours., its nothing new that non
believers break there treaties and attack others because they envy them
for there faith, or that it took 500 years for europe during the dark ages
to accept from Islam that the earth was round.
Islam influenced the West, the West did not and can not Influence Islam
when it comes to Peace treaties, equal rights and freedom of speech.
And if you are so curious about Islam on the other hand why not embrace
ALLAH? but you rather not answer my question as to why you embraced
your own enemy, SATAN?
why did you not answer my question before,
do you worship ALLAH or SATAN.
You can not have both, Jesus (pbuh) said that.
Matt.6 [24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the
one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the
other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Do not worship other then ALLAH, not the mountains, jews or jerusalem
is to be worshiped.
John.4 [20] Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in
Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
[21] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye
shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
[22] Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for
salvation is of the Jews.
[23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to
worship him.
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit
and in truth.
Math 15 and Mark.7 [9] But in vain they do worship me, teaching for
doctrines the commandments of men.
Matt.4 [8] Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory
of them;
[9] And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall
down and worship me.
[10] Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written,
Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
John.9 [31] Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man
be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
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Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 10:58pm
b95000 wrote:
Jibreel,
To understand what nico wrote you'll have to understand an advanced
concept like an 'analogy.'� Futhermore you'd have to understand
Nico's particular analogy and how discussing someone else's racism is
not itself, per se, racism.� It's certainly no proof of
such.� Figure it out man!
| yeah i figured it out man, and it was really easy.
Why else would anyone go to any forums with such 'hatred' and
'contempt' for others like you guys do, and to cry and complain about it
too. could this mean that you are both racist and bigots
While everyone is welcomed to all "muslim forums" to learn about islam,
you guys came he to teach us about you, what a twist, its like a flash back
in Germany during WW2.
Racist-Bigot;
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics
and is intolerant of those who differ.
If you can not live in the world with others then what does that say about
you and your health here? /FONT]
Racism is a disease.
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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 12:11am
Jibreel, you should stop calling people racists. Just because non-Muslims post here doesn't mean they come to hate Muslims. Has it ever occurred to you that some of the non-Muslims on this forum are interested in learning about Islam and understanding Islam? I don't know why the moderators have allowed you to continue with your name calling. Labelling people bigots and racists just because they don't always agree with your viewpoint is not only very offensive, it is against the forum guidelines.
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Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 1:07am
Colin wrote:
Jibreel, you should stop calling people racists. Just
because non-Muslims post here doesn't mean they come to hate
Muslims. Has it ever occurred to you that some of the non-Muslims on
this forum are interested in learning about Islam and understanding
Islam?� I don't know why the moderators have allowed you to continue
with your name calling.�Labelling people bigots and racists just because
they don't always agree with your viewpoint is not only very offensive, it is
against the forum guidelines. � |
Someone who goes to any forums and attacking the beliefs of other out
of 'hatred ' and 'contempt' for them while comparing there arguments
with racism is indeed a racist.
i never tossed the name calling around here, if each one of you where
from pakistan and said the same things you say in these forums in the
streets of london today it would get you deported right?.
So its very biased for anyone to judge and cry about it when someone
sheds the light on them.
moderates should remove members who do NOT come to there (any )
forums in peace, seeking logical discussions rather then expressing
hatred you guys have.
Your welcome to learn about islam, let us all know when you want to
start.
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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 5:36am
Someone who goes to any forums and attacking the beliefs of other out of 'hatred ' and 'contempt' for them while comparing there arguments with racism is indeed a racist.
Please show me where I have attacked Muslim beliefs. If you can't, I politely suggest you engage your brain before operating your keyboard.
i never tossed the name calling around here,
You call anyone who doesn't agree with your views, bigots, racists and nazis. Or have you forgotten that?
if each one of you where from pakistan and said the same things you say in these forums in the streets of london today it would get you deported right?.
Wrong, but if anyone living as guest of Britain incites hatred or seeks to encourage sucide bombings or other terrorist activity, they should be not be surprised if they find themselves on a one way journey to somewhere else.
So its very biased for anyone to judge and cry about it when someone sheds the light on them.
All your insults really do is shed an unfavourable light on you.
moderates should remove members who do NOT come to there (any ) forums in peace, seeking logical discussions rather then expressing hatred you guys have.
What is logical about calling someone you don't know a nazi? You are so blinded to yourself that you are fast becoming a non-event.
Your welcome to learn about islam, let us all know when you want to start.
I started learning about Islam four years ago, and my studies are coming along fine. Perhaps you are the one in need of educating.
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Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 5:49am
[33.41] O you who believe! remember Allah, remembering frequently,
[33.42] And glorify Him morning and evening.
[33.43] He it is Who sends His blessings on you, and (so do) His angels, that He may bring you forth out of utter darkness into the light; and He is Merciful to the believers.
[33.44] Their salutation on the day that they meet Him shall be, Peace, and He has prepared for them an honourable reward.
[33.45] O Prophet! surely We have sent you as a witness, and as a bearer of good news and as a warner,
[33.46] And as one inviting to Allah by His permission, and as a light-giving torch.
[33.47] And give to the believers the good news that they shall have a great grace from Allah.
[33.48] And be not compliant to the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and leave unregarded their annoying talk, and rely on Allah; and Allah is sufficient as a Protector.
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Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 5:50am
you have anything to say about that?
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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 10:20am
I note that this passage mentions the word "hypocrites"... Perhaps you should go to dictionary.com and look the word up and try your very best to understand the meaning.
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Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 1:46pm
speaking for yourself again? why are your around here if your against
Islam? your religion is not good enough?
[48.6] And (that) He may punish the hypocritical men and the hypocritical
women, and the polytheistic men and the polytheistic women, the
entertainers of evil thoughts about Allah. On them is the evil turn, and
Allah is wroth with them and has cursed them and prepared hell for them,
and evil is the resort
[66.7] O you who disbelieve! do not urge excuses today; you shall be
rewarded only according to what you did.
[66.8] O you who believe! turn to Allah a sincere turning; maybe your
Lord will remove from you your evil and cause you to enter gardens
beneath which rivers flow, on the day on which Allah will not abase the
Prophet and those who believe with him; their light shall run on before
them and on their right hands; they shall say: Our Lord! make perfect for
us our light, and grant us protection, surely Thou hast power over all
things.
[66.9] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites,
and be hard against them; and their abode is hell; and evil is the resort.
[66.10] Allah sets forth an example to those who disbelieve the wife of
Nuh and the wife of Lut: they were both under two of Our righteous
servants, but they acted treacherously towards them so they availed them
naught against Allah, and it was said: Enter both the fire with those who
enter.
[66.11] And Allah sets forth an example to those who believe the wife of
Firon when she said: My Lord! build for me a house with Thee in the
garden and deliver me from Firon and his doing, and deliver me from the
unjust people:
[66.12] And Marium, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, so
Webreathed into her of Our inspiration and she accepted the truth of
the words of her Lord and His books, and she was of, the obedient ones.
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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 1:56pm
speaking for yourself again? why are your around here if your against Islam?
I have been around here for nearly four years, and hope to be here in four years time. Insha'Allah.
Can you show me where I have said I was against Islam?
No...I thought not.
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Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 2:20pm
really
read this and tell me if you agree
[2.135] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right
course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he
was not one of the polytheists.
[2.136] Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to
us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and
Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and
(in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make
any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.
[2.137] If then they believe as you believe in Him, they are indeed on the
right course, and if they turn back, then they are only in great opposition,
so Allah will suffice you against them, and He is the Hearing, the
Knowing.
[2.138] (Receive) the baptism of Allah, and who is better than Allah in
baptising? and Him do we serve.
[2.139] Say: Do you dispute with us about Allah, and He is our Lord and
your Lord, and we shall have our deeds and you shall have your deeds,
and we are sincere to Him.
[2.140] Nay! do you say that Ibrahim and Ismail and Yaqoub and
the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Are you better knowing or Allah?
And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony that he has
from Allah? And Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.
[2.141] This is a people that have passed away; they shall have what they
earned and you shall have what you earn, and you shall not be called
upon to answer for what they did.
[2.142] The fools among the people will say: What has turned them from
their qiblah which they had? Say: The East and the West belong only to
Allah; He guides whom He likes to the right path.
[2.143] And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may
be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the Apostle may be a
bearer of witness to you; and We did not make that which you would have
to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the
Apostle from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard
except for those whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going
to make your faith to be fruitless; most surely Allah is Affectionate,
Merciful to the people.
[2.144] Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall
surely turn you to a qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face
towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever you are, turn your face towards
it, and those who have been given the Book most surely know that it is
the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do.
[2.145] And even if you bring to those who have been given the Book
every sign they would not follow your qiblah, nor can you be a follower of
their qiblah, neither are they the followers of each other's qiblah, and if
you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, then
you shall most surely be among the unjust.
[2.146] Those whom We have given the Book recognize him as they
recognize their sons, and a party of them most surely conceal the truth
while they know (it).
[2.147] The truth is from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the
doubters.
[2.148] And every one has a direction to which he should turn, therefore
hasten to (do) good works; wherever you are, Allah will bring you all
together; surely Allah has power over all things.
[2.149] And from whatsoever place you come forth, turn your face
towards the Sacred Mosque; and surely it is the very truth from your Lord,
and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.
[2.150] And from whatsoever place you come forth, turn your face
towards the Sacred Mosque; and wherever you are turn your faces
towards it, so that people shall have no accusation against you, except
such of them as are unjust; so do not fear them, and fear Me, that I may
complete My favor on you and that you may walk on the right course.
[2.151] Even as We have sent among you an Apostle from among you who
recites to you Our communications and purifies you and teaches you the
Book and the wisdom and teaches you that which you did not know.
[2.152] Therefore remember Me, I will remember you, and be thankful to
Me, and do not be ungrateful to Me.
[3.59] Surely the likeness of Isa is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, Be, and he was.
[3.60] (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of the disputers.
[3.61] But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.
[3.62] Most surely this is the true explanation, and there is no god but Allah; and most surely Allah-- He is the Mighty, the Wise.
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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 2:28pm
You have accused me of being against Islam, of being a nazi, a racist and a bigot. Please read any of the 600 plus posts I have made in the last four years and see if you can find any evidence to support your wild accusations.
We have a saying in Britain: "Empty vessels make the most noise".
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Posted By: nico
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 2:38pm
Why isn't she banned yet honestly? She obviously cannot read properly, is wilingly manipulating what I and others have said (is that manipulation due to maliciousness, or pure illiteracy I am not sure), is obviously ignorant about her own faith as she sins on a constant basis here. I don't even know why we give this being the light of day, it obviously doesn't deserve to be respected a member of an enlightened community.
Jibreel you are not a dishonour to the Ummah, but you disgrace Islam through your hatred and bigotry, and you basically shame all of Allah's creations. Live in your ignorance.
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Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 10:21pm
you avoid the questions
Why do you guys come to islamic forums if you hate ALLAH, his prophets
(pbta) islam, muslims and the Qur'an and refute about the last day or
even been judged by allah for your present actions?
is it that your scared to death of islam, muslims and allah, and that you
think you can destroy your maker and blame him for your self hatred and
guilt mistakes which attract you guys here to seek a single fault in a
believer to justify your sins?
but this is SATANs way according to all books, and you said
you will never go to hell and cursed the Qur'an in you others posts by
claiming your own faith is stronger then ALLAHS word in the Qur'an!
the nazis did indeed have this opinion, also mixed there occult up with
genealogical theories in Paul's Gospels and even met with the Pope about
it;, they put theories of race into practice claiming there categorized race
was above others and a pure one, and all this was through orthodox
jewish talmudic thinking by Hitler himself who only racist jews refer to a
non jew rather then his so called Jihad against allah, like yours..
i have found nothing in your posts to support that you come here for any
other intention, and you agreed to all these ideologies, maybe you should
study them closer to learn how they only bring destruction?
so if my posts insult you, then tell my how orthodox jewish talmudic
nazis do not insult you when they claim a faith such that a inbreed jewish
blood race should oppress the earth and there word is better then
Allah's like you did before.
Why dont' you just tell us what God is it that your worship if it is not
ALLAH,?
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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 12 August 2005 at 11:28pm
I will ask you one more time. Can you show a post I have made where I have said I was against Islam?
It's as easy as that Jibreel. You show me the evidence you have to back up your claims or carry on making them and let every member of this forum know that you have joined this forum purely to cause trouble.
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Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 13 August 2005 at 11:10pm
read all your posts and tell me if you have ever been for islam?
share with us all the things islam contributed to the west?
it is as easy as this , start anwsering my questions for once?
you certainly did not respect the qur'an.
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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 15 August 2005 at 12:02am
You have accused me of being against Islam of being a racist, bigot and a nazi, Thus, the onus is squarely on you to back up what you have said or simply desist from making such ridiculous statements.
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Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 15 August 2005 at 3:06pm
jibreel wrote:
read all your posts and tell me if you have ever been for islam?
share with us all the things islam contributed to the west?
it is as easy as this , start anwsering my questions for once?
you certainly did not respect the qur'an. |
Wow, this one sounds reasonable Jibreel. Perhaps if you'd not
made so many scurrilous 'nazi' and blantantly ludicrous 'racism'
charges against reasonable people, we'd actually be able to have some
interesting dialogue on these boards between Muslims and non-Muslims...
Is there an interest in that?
------------- Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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Posted By: nico
Date Posted: 15 August 2005 at 3:08pm
Is a place where the community can vote to ban this person?
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Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 15 August 2005 at 3:17pm
Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 16 August 2005 at 2:35am
Or we can start by keep reports of hate crimes on line by racist posts like
the ones you guys have been making and see what the Jury thinks, at-
least then you can purchase the rights to express what you want in our
democracy here, this is all it is about.
The claims of nationality by stating your country has anything to do with
your race hate opinions is totally nazi of you guys, also if anyone of you
where claiming to be jewish your definitely a fake jews by doing all this
and attacking jews as well, which boils down to just some racist hate
crimes and this is what will be the focus in the next 6 months for law
enforcement agencies.
so make up your minds here, are your going to be cowards and play
games or just tell the world why you really think non whites and Muslims
are your enemies as been openly claimed here a few times by your guys?
and to not tell me you guys do not agree on that
patience is a virtue
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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 16 August 2005 at 2:10pm
Brother Jibreel, I would take anyone on for you if you could let me have just one example of someone claiming non-whites and Muslims as enemies. I would have been the first to do it only if I noticed even a slight hint of that.
We need to see that everyone is not from the White House or the Pentagon to be more precise. I have known Colin for a while and as an utter gentleman of his own kind. Let's establish a dialogue, at least, with folks who hold more than just the one idea.
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Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 16 August 2005 at 5:11pm
Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,
Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,
If Jibreel, Nico and B95000 consider yourselves sincere and correct in your opinions, try to curb the heat, change your tones.
For a week from now, Jibreel should not have a post for Colin, Nico and B95000, and these three should not have any post for Jibreel. Further, Jibreel, Nico and B95000 should try to channel their energies into more neutral threads for this period. If after this exercise you still feel the urge to attack each other personally, sorry to say, but all your threads will be locked.
Peace,
N.
------------- <font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR]
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Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 16 August 2005 at 5:34pm
Nausheen wrote:
Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,
Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,
If Jibreel, Nico and B95000 consider yourselves sincere and
correct in your opinions, try to curb the heat, change your tones.
For a week from now, Jibreel should not have a post for Colin,
Nico and B95000, and these three should not have any post for
Jibreel. Further, Jibreel, Nico and B95000 should try to channel
their energies into more neutral threads for this period. If
after this exercise you still feel the urge to attack each other
personally, sorry to say, but all your threads will be locked.
Peace,
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Nausheen, thank you for intervening and dealing with the inciting posts. It is much appreciated and will contribute to more substantive conversations for us all..
I for one have posted in many other areas than just the Current Events
but will continue to post here, thanks for the opportunity, as well as
other areas.
------------- Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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Posted By: jibreel
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 12:53am
Whisper wrote:
Brother Jibreel, I would take anyone on for you if you could let me have just one example of someone claiming non- whites and Muslims as enemies. I would have been the first to do it only if I noticed even a slight hint of that. We need to see that everyone is not from the White House or the Pentagon to be more precise. I have known Colin for a while and as an utter gentleman of his own kind. Let's establish a dialogue, at least, with folks who hold more than just the one idea. | Peace
Nico said it and Colin defending Nico i simply ask more to understand others, even if other muslims are not clear, how can people communicate if they do not understand?
so the facts are 1, no heat here on my side:) so you get yourselves a nice a cold drink of water...
2, if they can not explain, then they are the ones in pain and need some ed., unless it is that they are to proud to answer to there actions when cornered...
3, if i am not talking about anyone specific in most of my posts but just examples, how can some people take it so personal
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