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Debate: The false massiah truth or not?

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Topic: Debate: The false massiah truth or not?

Posted By: Community
Subject: Debate: The false massiah truth or not?
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 8:40pm

Is the false massiah something truely coming? or is it an invention?

The reason for this my question is that even though this is supposedly one of the greatest trials the faithful will face, it is not mentioned in the koran, not once is there any mention of the false massiah(Maseeh addajjal) coming.

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Posted By: Deus
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 9:15pm

What about the real Messiah? Does the Quran speak of him? What about the Mehdi Imam?

Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 10 August 2005 at 9:18pm

There is no false Messiah as We are all Messiahs, Prophets, Manifestations of Allah and People of Spirit a Living Messiah in the Multitudes not one of Us but all of Us.

Everyone at creation is Charged as a Messenger of Allah, God as to each of us Allah reveals His Inspiration to Us and Breathed into us His Spirit and Allah would not Breath in His Spirit into something useless or worthless, that is why excellent Education, Counseling, Consultation, Prayer with Living Prayer and Hajj starting with Self, Family, Friends, Community, Nation, World and seeing what We need or what we can help them with, this is the most important of all Hajj's and Jihads.

Before everyone of Us is born We make Shaddah and promise Allah we will abide by His Laws and be a good person and that is why we need to create a world that Each of Us with all the Education, Training and Tools may Manifest all of Allahs Names and Attributes and make His Presence known in all realms ogf the seen and unseen in our emotions, actions and behaviors.

That is why when one of us arises in a violent and cruel manner all haste must be taken and care to re-educate them and train them so they will understand their actions and behaviors are the last thing this world needs.

Imagine if Hitler had been stopped in the beginning....

If action is not taken now to share resources, education, training, counseling, consultation and living prayers............to prevent anyone from for one second pondering violence or abusive actions would willing go to counseling as the community network would Arise to guide them to any resources they need stopping them from repeating a long history of abuse.

O Allah may this Messenger be heard and understood and asked any questions anyone might have.

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Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8

Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 12:57pm

amlhabibi2000 wrote:

There is no false Messiah as We are all Messiahs, Prophets, Manifestations of Allah and People of Spirit a Living Messiah in the Multitudes not one of Us but all of Us.

Imagine if Hitler had been stopped in the beginning.... Yes, and imagine if the jews who rejected The Massiah(who was one of the best teachers councelers who ever walked on the face of the earth) did accept the truth which he came with and did not throw it away for the romans to pick up altered and changed, imagine if the jews did not look on in silence while Europe was made christian by force of the church, and their brothers killed and forced to become christians, i know some of them realized and asked themselves"what have we done?" and repenented and accepted Jesus and Muhammed, imagine if Hitler and germany did not have the church sanction the extermination of jews. Imagine if Germany and Europe was not made christian but with the coming of islam made truely islamic, without any hatered towards jews because of their claims of killing the massiah. IF the jews had accepted Jesus and not threw the truth which he came with away and altered it and gave it to "europe" Hitler would never have happened.

Your ideas of Education Counceling Consultation and Prayer are good and nobel, and the faithful will ofcourse hear you and i believe they did, but just understand there are people around who will not listen(like the jews with Jesus for instance) I hope you are not naive into think that everyone will listen and do these nobel things and that there is no need for a legal system to protect against the wicked, those who do not wish betterment.

O Allah may this Messenger be heard and understood and asked any questions anyone might have.

Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 1:10pm

Deus wrote:

What about the real Messiah? Does the Quran speak of him? What about the Mehdi Imam?

Yes the koran does speak of The Massiah Jesus son of Mary Messenger of Allah, Imam Mahdi...i am not sure the koran speaks of him or not...

Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 1:15pm

Mahdi means the one who is rightly guided with whom people are guided.

Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 2:26pm

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html - http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

Book 041, Number 6961:

Abu Nadra reported:" We were in the company of Jabir b. 'Abdulldh that he said it may happen that the people of Iraq may not send their qafiz and dirhams (their measures of food stuff and their money). We said: Who would be respolisible for it? He said: The non_Arabs would prevt them. He again said: There is the possibility that the people of Syria may not send their dinar and mudd. We said: Who would be responsible for it? He said This prevention would be made by the Romans. He (Jabir b. Abdullab) kept quiet for a while and then reported Allah', s Messengdt (may peas be upon him) having said There would be a caliph in the last (period) of my Ummah who would freely give handfuls of wealth to thd people wiothout counting it. I said to Abu Nadra and Abu al-'Ala: DO you mean 'Umarb. 'Abd al-Aziz? They said: No (he would be Imam Mahdi.).

Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 2:42pm

One of those hadith is the following: Abu Huraira reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "By the One in whose hand is my soul, soon the son of Mary will descend upon you as a just judge. He will break the crosses, kill the swine and will put an end to the jizya. And wealth will spread to the extent that on one will accept it." Then Abu Huraira said, "Recite if you wish, "There is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him (as only a Messenger of Allah) before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection, he (Jesus) will be a witness against them."" [an-Nisa 4:159] [Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

The People of the Book, the Jews and Christians, will all believe in him before his death, after he descends at the end of time. Allah has stated, "There is none of the People of the book but must believe in him (as only a Messenger of Allah) before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection, he (Jesus) will be a witness against them." [an-Nisa, 4:159]

http://thetruereligion.org/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=139 - http://thetruereligion.org/modules/wfsection/article.php?art icleid=139

Posted By: Israfil
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 4:29pm

You also left out that after prophet Jesus (alayhi Salaam) descends he will also kill the anti-christ.

Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 11 August 2005 at 6:00pm

I think when it said kill it meant reform, in a sense it is a death of bad behaviors and they will be reformed and have a rebirth, resurrection or a renewal of the pure fresh spirit Allah Breathed into us at creation that was corrupted by ignorance, lack of training, counseling, consultation, prayer and living prayers in their life to guide them on the right path.

For no Soul that Allah created is without value and Station as Messenger in my opinion.....

Death can be symbolic of the End of something.

Allah is merciful and only He has the right to choose the hour of our death not us.

Everyone has a purpose and Allah does not create useless things.

Anne Marie Elderkin-Habibi

Just my thoughts on that...