Bizarre Ideaologies
Printed From: IslamiCity.org
Category: Religion - Islam
Forum Name: Interfaith Dialogue
Forum Description: It is for Interfaith dialogue, where Muslims discuss with non-Muslims. We encourge that dialogue takes place in a cordial atmosphere on various topics including religious tolerance.
URL: https://www.islamicity.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1950
Printed Date: 25 November 2024 at 5:59am Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.03 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Bizarre Ideaologies
Posted By: Ambrosia
Subject: Bizarre Ideaologies
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 9:59am
there seems to be a lady here who has some pretty distorted ideas of Islam, to which of course she is entitled but they are misleading, prophet Mohammed (PBUH) warned us against sectarianism and one needs to understand that the Quran is transcendent you don't need to have a loose or strict interpretation of it, fear Allah before misguiding the people. Islam came for all people it is an inclusive religion but this other crap that is posted is just that, please be logical and know that God is with the majority and the majority of Moslems are Sunnis, don't incorporate all these bizarre ideologies in there and make a new religion.
���� �������� ������� �������� ���������� ������ ������ ������������ ����� ����� ���������� �������� �������������� �������� ��������� �� ����������� ������ �������������� ��� ��������� ������ ��������� ����������� ����������� ����������� ����� �������� ����������� ������ ������ ��������������� ��� ��������� ���������� ������� ���� ����� ����� ����� �������� ����� ���������� ������ ��������� ���������� {7}
[Shakir 3:7] He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.
|
Replies:
Posted By: Israfil
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 10:07am
Ambrosia I know who you are talking about as well...
|
Posted By: Ambrosia
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 1:02pm
with all that is going on in the world today it is terrible to have so many misguided. I was watching a program the other day where the Moslem scholar was taking callers from the phone and unfortunately he himself didn't back up his testimony with strong historical evidence. I don't care at all for the defensive, for every offense we commit they commit 1000 and back it up with their Hollywood made movies. We have a great religion, great history, HISTORY IS ON OUR SIDE and yet we are what the prophet described as froth on the ocean floor, not because there is few of us, but because those of us who are holding on faith as if they were holding on to an ember from hell. What more can I say, besides what does this "Aleh" mean?
|
Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 1:24pm
Your intitled to your opinions just as I am intitled to mine, I am not presenting laws just articles I have written after 43 years of research and suffering.
Beware least yee caste doubht on another that dought is not caste on yee. ALEH
Anne Marie Elderkin-Habibi
At least when I speak I never hide my real name like others I won't mention....
May Allah Bless you Abundantly and may you generously remember and share the wealth Allah has given you with the Women still being beaten,, the children still straving, the orphans left to beg and homeless and to those soldiers left bleeding in the streets.
Salam Alaikoam
Anne Marie Elderkin-Habibi
------------- Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
|
Posted By: Israfil
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 2:19pm
Anna though words you speak of are noble they hurt religiously,
You yourself know that a lot of what you say Islam does not condone even though Islam is peace. A lot of what you say you yourself dont even know their meaning so how can we take you seriously? I think you maybe slightly misguided but your heart is in the right place. You are not fopreign in the sight of God and I pray for your guidence.
|
Posted By: Ambrosia
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 2:56pm
Anne
I have no interest in summing up your alleged life's experience into some low common denominator. Perhaps there is the slight possibility that your opinion and I'll call it that is wrong? consider this though your are well versed in English you misspelled the word "intitled" and here we are speaking grammar certainly in your past forty years of experience you must have seen "entitled" spelled the right way, yet it didn't register , or perhaps you think the way you spell it the right way and everyone should conform to your understanding of how the word should be written, though many English scholars and certainly Webster's dictionary will deem otherwise. I am using this as an analogy to your insight of religion, grammar isn't profound as religion, you may spend many years researching and yet be misguided. Please understand I have absolutely no contentions toward what you write. "kol nafsin bima kasbit raheena" so by all means carry on, only God knows of those who are truly righteous, for all I know it could be none of use living today or otherwise, I think it is my civic duty when I see something wrong to try to correct it, I do it for God not to demean you. As for the anonymity that the Internet allows people well that is a privilege that many use or misuse, I am sure many go by your name, and we still couldn't identify you in a crowd so I don't see where an issue should arise in that context.
have a blessed day and may Allah guide you and us all to the path of righteousness.
|
Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 2:58pm
Thank you, I have always said and will always say I am learning what the process of Islam means and must be.
All I have written are of course my understanding and beliefs after 43 years of research and suffering and I have no Iron rod just one person expressing what she understands and believes and as you know beliefs sometimes given new better imformation do change.
Inshallah may Allah guide us all well.
I did not mean to hurt anyones feelings.
Alaikoam Salam
Anne Marie Elderkin-Habibi (ALEH)
------------- Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
|
Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 5:20pm
Israfil wrote:
Anna though words you speak of are noble they hurt religiously,
You yourself know that a lot of what you say Islam does not condone even though Islam is peace. A lot of what you say you yourself dont even know their meaning so how can we take you seriously? I think you maybe slightly misguided but your heart is in the right place. You are not fopreign in the sight of God and I pray for your guidence.
|
Jazak allah khair, Israfil.
I have been recently monitoring all the rebuke and rejection Anne is recieving, but she is enduring it with so much of poise and large heartedness.
I want to talk to Anne shortly, insha allah. It is nice to see there are people like yourself on this forum who have tolerance for her.
Very nice comments.
Maa salaama,
Nausheen
------------- <font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR]
|
Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 6:11pm
Thank you Sister Alaikoam Salam
I am getting worse from the non Muslim community than this.
This project is my DAWAH as well as working at being a good and healthy person not afraid to assist others when and where I can.
It is a big challenge however when I realize that even a little consideration of the body of work I have written in some thirty articles and 20 or so prayers may make even a small difference it is worth the hurtful rebuttals I recieve because I understand and have Faith that I can make a difference even in a small way in someones life.
Islam is making a difference in my life and I am so entusiastic with sharing it I often need to remember not all people have experienced what I have or read what I have read or observed what I observed.
Salam
Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi (ALEH)
------------- Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
|
Posted By: Israfil
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 8:05pm
Alas my spelling is a bitt off as my keyboards are in need of replacement, but thank you sis for your comments. I only hope Sister Anne will eventually come to the understanding of the experience of Islam...
|
Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 17 August 2005 at 9:53pm
Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,
Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,
Dear Anne,
Assalamuaalikum wa rahamtullah wa barkatuhu,
I have not read many of your posts, but one of the recent threads I was following, I saw that you have a complain against people not reading you well enough to understand.Which may be true in part, the other part being your presentation.
For example, I saw in your post about True Islam ... you have said that true islam shows respect to all. Indeed sis, this is true, but another truth is that true Islam priscribes a dress code. It can be any dress of any material or color (in general), as long as it is descent. Allah is beautiful and loves beauty. Thus there is nothing wrong in wearing good clothes, stiched in whichever fashion. Islam aslo does not teach us to disrespect people if their choices are not in accordance with islam. So far any muslim should agree to these facts. However in your post these were presented in such a way that these spelled as if Islam allows, accepts, or condones dresses that may be indecent - this is not true.
You see am not denying that allah loves His creation, so there cannot be a doubt that allah loves the human being in that woman who may be seen in public in scanty clothing. However Allah has created everyone special. Women are special and their beauty is thus speacial. And He did not create this beauty just for anyone to behold. Just like he created a beautiful pearl, that is hidden within a shell deep in the ocean.
You discussed the respect that humans should have towards others, but beyond this humans should have respect towards their Creator ... Who is most compassionate, beneficient, and merciful. He is most deserving of all, of respect -of respect towards His ultimate wisdom, deserving of respect towards His ordainments. - deserving respect towards his commandments, and His prohibitions.
And look allah has created the heavens and the earth in due proportion ... in a balance. There is balance in everything that is created by Allah.
It is this balance which if you add in your writings, you will have a bigger audiance. Your words are so beautiful, yet ironically they reach such a small crowd. If you work a little harder to aportion them with a balanced truth, they can help a huge crowd. The power in your writing which is missing, is because of this lack of balance. please try, for Allah is with those who seek guidance.
ppl are pointing you to deliver the truth in a different shade ... maybe in it is a sign for you. A sign you should not ignore or avoid.
May Allah guide you to pure truth, ameen.
Maa salaama,
Nausheen
------------- <font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR]
|
Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 2:23am
Alaikoam Salam
You make some excellent points
The reason I wrote as I have is that unfortunately some people neglect to respect the beauty and High Station Allah gave each of us when He breathed into us His Spirit.
015.029 YUSUFALI: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
Some people due to ignorance or apathy of their emotions or how to deal with them or fear to say they are having certain feelings neglect to get assistance.
I will give an example, as a child we are curious of many things sometimes adults see us gazing at them and they think o this child is interested in me and the adult somehow starts having feelings of attraction sexually for the child, instead of speaking to their Doctor, Imam, Clergy they are having such thoughts they begin to act on these feelings without consultation and they start to hurt the child physically or sexually and the child is injured, the adult instead of realizing/caring He/She has made a mistake kills or injures the child and hides their mistake. You see children often are in various states of dress or undress and they are innocent as even though they are curious or seem somehow interested in an adult or young adult they are still children and innocent and I am attempting to encourage people to think carefully before they take action.
In Islam and other religions some forbid a person from pleasuring themselves and this action causes a condition that one need be aware of the stages and levels of sexual frustration and how to cope with the resulting instability that can occur within anyone in the course of denying themselves in this manner. This condition may increase the likely hood of certain kinds of behavior if one is not educated in how to cope with these levels and conditions. That is why I recommend workshops or training in Healthy Boundaries, Good Communication Skills, Good Conflict Resolution Skills, Family Planning, Educationial Options and open lines of communitication with safe and caring places to do so without fear.
I am trying to establish and reaffirm that Allah created us with a High Station and Purpose and every effort should be taken in our education, training, counseling, consultation, prayer, with living prayer and Hajja Call to an Inter Faith Jihad.....
017.079 YUSUFALI: And pray in the small watches of the morning: (it would be) an additional prayer (or spiritual profit) for thee: soon will thy Lord raise thee to a Station of Praise and Glory!
I hope this answers some of the questions.
Salam
Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi (ALEH)
------------- Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
|
Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 2:27am
It is most certainly not to cause Fitnah or confusion why I explain things as I do. I mean no disrespect in anything I say.
Just doing as I feel and in some ways Allah guides me to respond to any given situation, of course as with anyone I welcome correction and consideration.
Salam
Anne Marie Elderkin-HAbibi.
------------- Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
|
Posted By: Ambrosia
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:07am
Alas my spelling is a bitt off as my keyboards are in need of replacement, but thank you sis for your comments. I only hope Sister Anne will eventually come to the understanding of the experience of Islam...
I promise you pointing out someone's spelling errors was not my intent, God knows how many mistakes I make per day I lost count and Hope that God will forgive me for them, I was merely using it as an analogy that learning doesn't stop after 43 years of research. Perhaps I should have used a less obnoxious example, though it might not serve a purpose but imagine perhaps that your family physician stopped taking continuing education courses and is off treating people with what he thinks is good medicine though the consensus believes that it is not the appropriate way to practice. We are all shaped in a way with our own thought processes and many of us can't imagine life running along a different axis or perspective. everyday I Know there is someone out there to teach me something, and today you have taught me that I might have been a bit insensitive in using my analogy so I thank you and I ask for your "d3wat" I am going through a bit of a hard time in my life right now
|
Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 5:51pm
Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,
Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,
Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah,
Thank you for your response. Indeed you are not trying to cause fitnah, may allah reward you for the good intentions you have. Alhamdulillah it does explain a little further, with your exemplifications of child abuse.
When you said true islam respects people despite of what they wear or do not wear, it really did not strike you were pointing at kids. Coz at very young age children do not choose their own dresses.
I agree that child abuse should be dealt with in the society, with whatever social protocols different governments undertake. Nevertheless the bigger problems which lead to these crimes should be carefully looked into. I wonder how many organizations have ventured to evaluate what the root causes be. Some studies say that the images that a brain sees, can almost never be cleaned. Whatever is registered in the subconscious has a role to play on personality. Where these abusers are coming from. What is their family background. How was their childhood. What caused such a personality development. Only treating the abuser is not enough. The reasons that breed such abusers should be nipped.
The life style of most of the fast cities of the world has so many drawbacks on the brain of a human being. The rush and frenzy humanity is involved in today, has given birth to broken families, divorce, single parents. To run away from personal problems people take refuge in wine, series of illegitimate sexual partners, meaningless passtimes like pubs, gambling, may be pornography.
All these things are prohibited in Islam. Islam encourages people to get marriad, and upholds high values for a decent family life - where kids should be given ample attention a lot of care shld be given to their upbringing, character building etc. Islam also encourages a simple living, not runing for high standards in life, charity etc, that binds people together.
I want to write more sis, but have to cut this short as something has come up, hope we will stay in touch.
Maa salaama,
Nausheen
------------- <font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR]
|
Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 7:48pm
Alaikoam Salam
Nausheen
In saying that regardless of whether someone is married or not and entering into a relationship I am just recognizing that these things happens and it is the will of Allah that should or when these things happen that both partners respect one another and not abuse one another in any manner, like some men use women and disgard them, I am saying they cannot do this if they want relations they must respect the one giving them the gift of their body and time as currently some men (Once in a whiole a woman) tend to feel women are their toys to use and toss away so I am saying if they want what they want thenm they have to behave better or Allah will chastise them and send them to counseling, healthy boundaries school etc.
As I mentioned I am only writting my enthusiasm for Islam and the process of Islam and I hope my articles help people think a little differently and maybe make them smile Inshallah and give hope.
As for Marriage I am all for it and I think that when there are open lines of communication and all issues are consulted on with the marriage and with counselors like when sexual health problems come up then the partner with the problem with their spouse will go to the Doctor and say I am having this kind of problem what can I do, or we have been mkarried many years and I do not feel as attracted to my partner because they gain weight and I am at loss at what to do to encourage them to get healthy not to mention some cultural issues that keep women in the house and this leads to them gaining many pounds and becoming less attractive some times or it can be the man too any way encourage them they can get help with their problems and Allah is desperate for them to be healthy because less money spent on illnesses and maritial breakdown then more money to give Zakat to the poor or a Charity or school to educate the poor or abusive peoples that beat their partner or children.
They can be a hero like Mohammed PBUH and lead the people by their positive actions in correcting themselves by going to workshops and learning Healthy Boundaries, Good Communications, Conflict Resolution Skills, Parenting Skills, Family Planning, Education Planning and How to establish and nurture or grow a healthy relationship, family and children.
Even the worst Monster among us is not worthless in the sight of Allah for He Breathed of His Spirit into them also and Allah never Created anything that was worthless.
015.029 YUSUFALI: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
Each person is a Messenger and the stories of their life are stories of leadership or a lack of it and we need to encourage everyone they can learn positive skills to be better People and Messengers.
017.079 YUSUFALI: And pray in the small watches of the morning: (it would be) an additional prayer (or spiritual profit) for thee: soon will thy Lord raise thee to a Station of Praise and Glory!
I will relate a story
A man was beating His wife and she loved him so much that she tried her hardest to get him to love her but he did not and then she had to let him go because he was abusing her and when she let him go he realized he loved her but it was too late she loved him but could not live with him any more.
The moral of the story is if they had gone to counseling they might have had a better relationship, marriage and been better parents. The Wife was abused many times over her life and had few places that were safe to share her pain and confusion and then when she had children she was sometimes mean to them because of her ignorance in what to do and not taking advice from counselors or learning what was reallyy wrong or admiting it and she got sick and lost most of what she had including the daily hugs and antics of her children but she needed time to heal and learn how to be a better person and find her own Place of No Sorrow, like learning to speak her mind on many things....
A Story of a Journey to a Place of No Sorrow...
Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi (ALEH)
------------- Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
|
Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 18 August 2005 at 8:47pm
If we want to love Allah We must Love ourselves and get counseling or training to end abuses in our lives. Thus accepting responsibility for our actions or inactions and the resulting ill will or ill health or stress this caused and take small steps towards being better people and with each step towards positive change it is a living prayer answered in the eyes of Allah and Mankind. Then the Station of each person is raised a little Higher than the day before because they strive in the Cause of Allah, God in becoming A Bright Light to Others, a Leader, A Hero and The Message of their life slowly begins to change from one of many things, hate, rage, ignorance, poverty, apathy to one where all People learn to care for one another and the seen and the unseen with Affirmatiions of Faith.
017.079 YUSUFALI: And pray in the small watches of the morning: (it would be) an additional prayer (or spiritual profit) for thee: soon will thy Lord raise thee to a Station of Praise and Glory!
*********
At the Time of the End will come from our Minds, Society, Environments the (Comets) of Ideas, Resources, Technology, Education and Cooperation that will help reshape Our Mountainous Personal and World Problems into the ready Fibers from which to reweave a healthier and happier World for all beings, Seen and Unseen, And Affirmations of Faith.
Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi 1995
I was inspired to write this after hearing Surah 101, Ayat 5. It is a Chapter and verse that speaks of Mountains being carded like wool.
------------- Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
|
Posted By: Israfil
Date Posted: 19 August 2005 at 9:47pm
Ambrosia said:
>>>Alas my spelling is a bitt off as my keyboards are in need of replacement<<<< -Hey this is my excuse
On a side note Sister Nausheen has taken the words out of my mouth...hmmm Sis Nausheen you're a thief I see.......
|
Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 21 August 2005 at 6:31pm
Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,
Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,
Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah wa barkatuhu,
Israfil, perhaps you should avoid eating near the computer. Crums settle under the keyboard which make it bad
I stole your words ... hmm. Its is comfortable to have likemindedness in the vicinity, alhamdulillah.
Sister Anne,
you said:
In saying that regardless of whether someone is married or not and entering into a relationship I am just recognizing that these things happens and it is the will of Allah that should or when these things happen that both partners respect one another and not abuse one another in any manner, like some men use women and disgard them, I am saying they cannot do this if they want relations they must respect the one giving them the gift of their body and time as currently some men (Once in a whiole a woman) tend to feel women are their toys to use and toss away so I am saying if they want what they want thenm they have to behave better or Allah will chastise them and send them to counseling, healthy boundaries school etc. |
There is difference between the will of Allah and good pleasure of Allah. A muslim believes that nothing happens without the will and knowledge of Allah. When a person commits murder that is also from the will of Allah otherwise he would not have been able to do it.
In the same way when two people commit adultery, the will of Allah is there, however, His permission is not there. The act does not have good pleasure of Allah in it. Allah is as-Sabir. His servents enter into deeds that He has forbidden, yet He bestows His mercy on them in this world. That is His greatness. however, it is not from servitude or serventhood, that we humans dare to commit deeds that are forbidden. This marrs the purity of the soul.
It is the utmost desire of the shaytan to see the servants of Allah in disobedience. He gives suggestions to the nafs, and humans becomes slaves of their desires. Those who cannot have self control to be obedient to their Creator, it is not safe to expect from them behaviors of uprightness and high values. When a man or a woman entrust their honor to such people, there is little good that should be expected to come out of it. That is why we have religion to guide us.
Instead of expecting people to behave noble while they are in disobedience, they should be guided to the obedience of Allah, and that would be the best outcome of the efforts.
s for Marriage I am all for it and I think that when there are open lines of communication and all issues are consulted on with the marriage and with counselors like when sexual health problems come up then the partner with the problem with their spouse will go to the Doctor and say I am having this kind of problem what can I do, or we have been mkarried many years and I do not feel as attracted to my partner because they gain weight and I am at loss at what to do to encourage them to get healthy not to mention some cultural issues that keep women in the house and this leads to them gaining many pounds and becoming less attractive some times or it can be the man too any way encourage them they can get help with their problems and Allah is desperate for them to be healthy because less money spent on illnesses and maritial breakdown then more money to give Zakat to the poor or a Charity or school to educate the poor or abusive peoples that beat their partner or children. |
It is said by our holy prophet(SAW) that the spouses should take care to maintain their outward appearence for their marriage partner. it is not from the sunnah to let oneself grow fat, and unattractive. People should care about this. And I agree with you regarding councelling if there is a problem within the marriage. It is always advisable to make efforts and take help to keep the bond intact.
I see what you wanted to convey by your short story. If the sister loved her husband so much she should have tried to contact a friend or a relative or any person of influence, who could make the husband understand that he is oppressing his wife, and must stop.
Maa salaama,
Nausheen
------------- <font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR]
|
Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 21 August 2005 at 9:12pm
Lots for me to consider will drop by tommorrow to reply more fully.
Ameen
ALEH
------------- Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
|
|