Off and On again
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Posted By: Gibbs
Subject: Off and On again
Date Posted: 25 March 2011 at 6:30pm
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Not sure whether anyone cares, and most.likely people don't, but I have been in and out here due to some family stuff going on. Although my absence has been apparent, I have been watching the threads and some interesting stuff going on.
However I have been participating on another website which is really interesting. I will say that the reason other than my family, I have been absent is unfortunately due to the depressing threads going around. I do feel like I have learned but then I haven't. Too many threads in general discussion on the victimization of one group of people, then threads on antagonizing a country. It seems to me that these days Islamicity.com has turned into more of a complaint/rant forum than an environment where I can learn. I am sure I am the only one that feels this say. In comparison to the other forum, there are muslims and many don't get easily offended by criticism and I think that is key here. I understand the difference between someone sincerely critiquing the faith, and someone intentionally antagonizong the faith. I can certainly hope one day some of the members here can rise about their own sensitivity and dishes the faith without feeling as if their faith is under attack. Because some people do in fact question religion. |
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Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 26 March 2011 at 9:08am
This Happen In ( ALL ) Forums Because Of The Media / Teacher , Ministers Etc . Meaning People Of Religion Are Taught That They Have The Truth And All Other Don't . And Feel They Have To Prove Something . Nothing Hard To Overstand . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Gibbs wrote:Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 28 March 2011 at 7:50am
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Gibbs, thanks for sharing this. Well, sometimes I feel the same, but I keep telling myself: never lose your hope. We have to realize that there's a lot of frustration in the Muslim world. After 911 too many Western people have unfairly accused Muslims all over the world to be followers of an intolerant religion. Such unfairness must hurt a lot. Stereotyping is so wrong. And this goes both ways. It's also unfair to accuse Christians and agnostics and atheists of being decadent ruthless capitalists. There's a lot of unnecessary cynicism and bitterness shown by some members of Islamicity. It's very difficult to form new mental habits. One important mental habit to me is to see other people as human beings first. Which includes all the participants of this forum. Religion should never become an obsession. It is dangerous to divide people into Muslims and non-Muslims, into Christians and non-Christians, into believers and non-believers. Instead we should try to become friends with people who desire peace and mutual respect and understanding. Hope to meet you again soon. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 28 March 2011 at 10:04am
| Matt I understand but I came here to learn not read how horrible the United States and Jews are. Its always a conspiracy, always someone roses fault and it seems there is no responsibility upon the individual. In this other forum there are muslims who have different views yet they understand accountability. Here, Islamicity.com if some muslim commits hineous act, its Mossad or some plot. All I see is American this, Britain that, all things western are bad and all that takes away from me learning |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 28 March 2011 at 1:02pm
I did check and took notice! After all it was more time spent here with you than lots of other people!
And the other forum is..............?
The forum is not immune to the happenings on the ground around the world! As long as it is not really personal; it is still internet wrangling!
The true learning starts when the human becomes a seeker of spiritual light if at all desired to vanquish the darkness within soul...
There is "section for non Muslims" where non religious people question all they want! Talk about faith under attack I think if the constitution and civil rights were not legislated the Muzlums would be really SOL! Did you see the true oppression? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRlqz3e9OrA - |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 28 March 2011 at 1:15pm
I Mean No Disrespect Here Ok . Do You Know The History U.S . ?/ Do You Fear The Truth / Or Are You Just Truning A Blind Eye To What Really Going On In The Real World ??? Just Wondering Ok . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 28 March 2011 at 1:44pm
Let me add my two cents United States and Jews were not synonymous unless they have become so! I don't know what you meant by roses? United States is great country cuz it is with laws vis-a-vis lot of other lawlessness! It will be that way till she switches places! You brought a great point accountability, would you please spend a dollar and find "Inside Job" from the RED BOX (or go online) and then we can discuss all about accountability! It will blow your mind talk about it! I have mentioned zillion times that Muzlums are coming out of their slavery in fits and starts, it will take time for them to evolve back to be real Muslims; ...There is a difference a free man committing crime and slave doing that! The murderers get reprieve from the capital punishment in courts for childhood abuse quite often! You need to think and ask why the newscasters or others talkers pronounce "The Muzlum" you know it is variation meaning in their language "Oppressed" !LOL Recently things in ME have started to change unexpectedly! You can see just can't take Brits and US away from the scene even when they are broke! We are told the Muslims will go through trials and tribulations just as the Israelite did! So I say the Muzlums need to buckle up for the ride! And in the spare time spend some time reading late Joe Bageant's and see what has gone down http://coldtype.net/Assets.04/Essays.04/Kingdom.pdf - http://coldtype.net/Assets.04/Essays.04/Kingdom.pdf ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 31 March 2011 at 7:55am
I don't agree that posts are always about a conspiracy. But I have also noticed that there are hardly any nice examples about Christians, Jews or Hindus. We are often portrayed as the bad, indecent guys. A lot of selective perception and in-group bias and out-group homogeneity bias is involved. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_bias - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_bias http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity_bias - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity_bias The idea of the Ummah is very counterproductive and should be given up. But it's possible to overcome this kind of thinking. For example by having a debate about it. I met a lot of very progressive and open-minded people here on Islamicity. I see a lot of common ground. Is it really better in other forums? I also tried shia.com and I must say there's a lot of arrogance and feeling of superiority in this Shia community. And the personality cult around imams and mullahs and ayatollahs is not my cup of tea. I like Islamicity a lot better. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 31 March 2011 at 8:09am
I think your comment might be seen as disrespectful. How would educated people not know about US history? But educated people are also aware of the entire history, the good and the bad. This is what I mean by selective perception. A history of freedom of thought led to breathtaking scientific discoveries and engineering marvels. We would not even have this discussion right now without the invention of the web browser. Name one country with only a good and no bad history. Imperialism is not a Western invention. The whole of North Africa was conquered after the death of the Prophet. Later came the Ottoman empire, another imperialist movement. But we can learn from mistakes made in the past and build a better future. Today Arabs can ask for help to avoid the slaughter of their Arab brothers and sisters in Libya by a lunatic called Gaddafi. And American pilots are willing to risk their lives to save innocent civilians in an Arab country. They did this in Bosnia too. Americans killing Serbian Christians to save Muslims in Bosnia. Yes, there's also Iraq, but keep in mind that more than 100 million Americans didn't agree with Bush. The world is not black and white. The world is not good here and bad over there. Once we realize this, IssaEl999, we can escape the vicious cycle of mistrust and build a better future. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 31 March 2011 at 8:32am
( First I Don't Care What Your Think Overstand )
I Don't Accept Testimony Overstsand And I Don't See The World Through Eye Of A Needle Ok . And I See The US. As The Bully Of The Planet . And For Those Who See It Like You Owell . Anyway My Post Have To Be Prove Before They're Posted , In Some Of Forum Here , Why Get Into This Anti-American Game Keyword Game / His-STORY / And Not History ? ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 05 April 2011 at 7:12am
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IssaEl999 you are nothing but an antagonistic, self centred, trouble maker, so please do us all a favour and stop with your st**id ramblings, but hey thats just my opinion i'm sure in your own little world you are right in everything you say and do and it all makes sense to you! Gibbs I totally agree with you, there are many many muslims to feel that to ask a question of them about Islam is an attack on them, but rest assured not all of us are like that. The people who generally see it as an attack are the ones who are so insecure in their faith and belief that they are unable to respond in any other way than to go on the offensive.
We muslims are always saying to everyone that Islam is the one and only perfect way of life, well its time to prove it by not being afraid of any questions asked of us but to welcome the questions and give answers to them in as close a way to the way the Prophet (PBUH) would and have answered them.
Lets look to ourselves and correct our own wrong thinking and wrong actions before we start blaming on the ills affecting the muslim world on the americans or the british or Israel or the men from mars or anyone else. Surely we have to take responsibility for our own actions do we not?
To give you a quick example, with the recent burning of the Koran in america and the violence taking place in Afghanistan. Some people say the violence and deaths in Afghanistan have occured because the preacher burned the Koran thousands of miles away, and they blame him for all thats going on, but i I say no, the responsibility of whats happening in Afghanistan lies at the feet of those people who went on the rampage and attack the buildings and the UN officials. Its time we took responsibility for own actions instead of blaming others. The Afghans decided to react in this way so the responsibility is their own.
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 05 April 2011 at 10:37am
I totally agree with you in principle, however is there no legitimate claim of responsibility whatsoever for the preacher's action? The UK has a law against racial and religious hatred; "A person who uses threatening words or behavior, or displays any written material which is threatening... if he intends thereby to stir up religious hatred". I think Holocaust denial falls under this law.
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Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 05 April 2011 at 1:30pm
Name Calling Is A Sign Of A Fear , At Any Time You Feel You Can Disprove ANYTHING I Post Bring It . But If You Do Come , You Better Come Right Or Don't Come At All Overstand . Don't Let You Mouth Write A Check Your ***Can't Cash . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 05 April 2011 at 5:59pm
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Issa, the first thing you should do is stick to English words and not the ones you cobble together out of your imagination. This way perhaps we could have a dialogue based on common understanding and not misunderstanding. |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 05 April 2011 at 7:10pm
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For a change I would concur with above post...
------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 05 April 2011 at 7:16pm
Excuses Excuse ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 06 April 2011 at 5:57am
------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 06 April 2011 at 7:09am
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Issa, here's a few facts for you to digest.
"English is the most widespread language in the world and is more widely spoken and written than any other language.
Over 400 million people use the English vocabulary as a mother tongue, only surpassed in numbers, but not in distribution by speakers of the many varieties of Chinese.
Over 700 million people, speak English, as a foreign language.
Of all the world's languages (over 2,700) English is arguably the richest in vocabulary; and that the Oxford English Dictionary lists about 500,000 words, and there are a half-million technical and scientific terms still uncatalogued?
Three-quarters of the world's mail, telexes and cables are in English.
More than half of the world's technical and scientific periodicals are in English
English is the medium for 80% of the information stored in the world's computers
English is the language of navigation, aviation and of Christianity; it is the ecumenical language of the World Council of Churches
Five of the largest broadcasting companies in the world (CBS, NBC, ABC, BBC and CBC) transmit in English, reaching millions and millions of people all over the world."
You can talk it down all you want if it makes your angry, conspiracy theory thought processes flow smoother but that won't change the facts.
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Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 06 April 2011 at 7:10am
| Issa, my mistake, I mean "here are". |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 06 April 2011 at 8:10am
Let Try This Again Ok
Excuse Excuse , Your Not Looking For A Dialogue Your Looking For Someone To Agree With Your Races Mind Set . And Cover Up The Lie The Power That Be , Meaning The Media Tell You What To Say / Believe .
Food For Though ( When You Hear People Speaking ( English ) . You Are Trained To Think ( Englishman ) , When In Fact All The Americans Who Are Speaking ( English ) . Are Not Speaking ( English ) Which Is Spoken In England And Europe . The Americans Speak A Very ( Bad Dialect Of Broken English ) , And In Fact Are Speaking An ( Unintelligent Slang ) . No Matter Where Its Spoken , Except England
Who Control The Media
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By The Way I Have No Reson To Be Piss / Mad / Upset With You Because I Overstand You Have No Control Of Your Own Mind Set , You Mind Set / Is Control My The Media , As I Said Above . Meaning You Not Allow To Think On Your Own , And Your Looking For People To Agree With You . Where I Don't Care One Way Or The Other What You Beieve / Accept . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 06 April 2011 at 10:03am
------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 06 April 2011 at 2:11pm
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The only legitimate claim is the one that can be made in the country of origin of the act.
IE if someone breaks a law in the uk, then that person will be judged by the people of the uk. not people from another country, after all, not everything which is a crime in one country is considered a crime in another country.
For example selling cannbis is legal in the coffeeshops in Amsterdam, it is not legal in the UK. Do people in the UK have the right to ask for the Amsterdam coffeeshop owner to be prosecuted?
The saddest thing of all is the fact that the violence in Afghanistan is only harming the people of Afghanistan themselves, the preacher's sitting at home, his feet up, smoking a cigar, and smiling.
Who are the fools? the preacher or the people in Afghanistan?
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Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 06 April 2011 at 2:12pm
Sorry my above post was in reply to this but for some reason it failed to show the attached quotes
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 06 April 2011 at 6:05pm
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Your response about breaking laws in country of origin is known and understood, however my question is; does rhetoric have consequences and responsibilities? Should the pastor be absolved of any and all responsibility for what has taken place as a result of his action? |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 06 April 2011 at 8:46pm
| I think think this revolves around what the limits of "free" speech should be. Should you be allowed to yell "fire" in a crowded theater? The answer is obviously not. But why not? Well, for starters, because you endanger lives by your speech in that any "reasonable" person would bolt for the exit upon hearing that there was a fire. However, should someone burning the Quran in a building in Florida be protected speech. I would argue "yes" because a "reasonable" person is not incited to riot, murder, or mayhem as a result. Quite possibly this comes down to what you consider a reasonable persons reaction to be. |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 06 April 2011 at 8:48pm
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Issa, please tell me that you don't believe your posts are more emphatic or grammatically correct when you capitalize every word. To me it simply means that you have no idea what proper English grammer is.
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 06 April 2011 at 9:22pm
| Yeah schmikbob, I agree that we're dealing with a First Amendment issue here, but as I mentioned the UK law against against racial and religious hatred, maybe "free speech" in the US needs a little tweaking during these extraordinary times we are living.... |
Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 07 April 2011 at 2:24am
As much as i disagree with the pastors actions i'm going to stick my head out and say yes he should be absolved. My reasons are
1) his action was not a criminal action in the place where the action took place
2) We are all responsible for our own actions.
3) We decide ourselves how we respond to the actions of others.
Lets flip this around and lets just say he did not burn the Quran, and Mr John Doe, a right wing ultra conservative became disappoint at the non-burning and decided that he was going to go on a rampage in protest at the pastor for NOT burning the quran. Would the pastor still be held accountable for actions of Mr John Doe? afterall it was because of his action to NOT burn the Quran that Mr John Doe went and did what he did.
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Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 07 April 2011 at 7:22am
You Know What Soooo Funny About People Like Yourself You Always Look For Excuses When You Can't Deal With The Facts / Truth , So Let Me Say This One More Time When You Hear People Speaking ( English ) . You Are Trained To Think ( Englishman ) , When In Fact All The Americans Who Are Speaking ( English ) . Are Not Speaking ( English ) Which Is Spoken In England And Europe . The Americans Speak A Very ( Bad Dialect Of Broken English ) , And In Fact Are Speaking An ( Unintelligent Slang ) . If You Knew Anything About Tones You Would Know This . Overstand Something Trying To Flip / Change The Subject Never Change The Truth / Facts , Ok .
By The Way . < Belief & Believe" are two of the most deceptive words in religion. Belief is ignorance. Belief is to ignore the facts, intentionally or ignorantly. If one has to believe, it means he or she does not know, and if one does not know, that is ignorance. Anyone can believe anything and this means that a person can believe, and be 100% wrong. But knowledge is knowing and knowledge is correct information. "To know" gives one confidence, but belief infers doubt. To believe is to accept things that you do don't know .Either you know or you don't. Once you know - then you no longer have to believe and belief is the fuel of most religions.
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If Your Looking For Someone To Feed You Ego I'm Not The One Overstand . It's Best You Let It Go .
It's Not The Things One Knows That Get Him Or Her In Trouble , Its The Things One Knows That Just Isn't So ! ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 07 April 2011 at 8:10am
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You Know What Soooo Funny About People Like Yourself You Always Look For Excuses When You Can't Deal With The Facts / Truth , So Let Me Say This One More Time When You Hear People Speaking ( English ) . You Are Trained To Think ( Englishman ) , When In Fact All The Americans Who Are Speaking ( English ) . Are Not Speaking ( English ) Which Is Spoken In England And Europe . The Americans Speak A Very ( Bad Dialect Of Broken English ) , And In Fact Are Speaking An ( Unintelligent Slang ) . If You Knew Anything About Tones You Would Know This . Overstand Something Trying To Flip / Change The Subject Never Change The Truth / Facts , Ok .
IssaEl999, are you a Rastafari by any chance? I know they use the word "Overstand" a fair bit.
By the way which dialect of english are you speaking?
As far as i can recall when i was taught english in the schools i went to in England the teachers always said the capital letter was to be used on the first word of a sentence and not at the beginning of every word within the sentence.
Would be much obliged if you could enlighten me, maybe they've been teaching us the wrong way to write sentences and you in fact are writing sentences in the correct way.
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 07 April 2011 at 9:36am
| Well fair enough pure columbian from a legalese standpoint, however given that we are living in a global village and actions by a relatively obscure individual in small town American could, and did have dire consequences across nation boarders, is there not at least some moral responsibility/accountability we can ask of Pastor Jones? |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 07 April 2011 at 11:22am
You Know What Soooo Funny About People Like Yourself You Always Look For Excuses When You Can't Deal With The Facts / Truth , So Let Me Say This One More Time When You Hear People Speaking ( English ) . You Are Trained To Think ( Englishman ) , When In Fact All The Americans Who Are Speaking ( English ) . Are Not Speaking ( English ) Which Is Spoken In England And Europe . The Americans Speak A Very ( Bad Dialect Of Broken English ) , And In Fact Are Speaking An ( Unintelligent Slang ) . If You Knew Anything About Tones You Would Know This . Overstand Something Trying To Flip / Change The Subject Never Change The Truth / Facts , Ok .
IssaEl999, are you a Rastafari by any chance? I know they use the word "Overstand" a fair bit.
By the way which dialect of english are you speaking?
As far as i can recall when i was taught english in the schools i went to in England the teachers always said the capital letter was to be used on the first word of a sentence and not at the beginning of every word within the sentence.Would be much obliged if you could enlighten me, maybe they've been teaching us the wrong way to write sentences and you in fact are writing sentences in the correct way.
Let's Be Real Here Ok , If I Were Writeing What People Wanted To Read ,
No One Would Say Anything . ( Would They '' No ) . People Always Looking For Away To Label Other , When They Don't THINK / ACT / BELIEVE / ACCEPT , Things The Way They Do . That's Because They're Use To Being Control , To Act , Think , Believe , Accept , Follow , Things A Certain Way .
Read Below Ok
 If you go to any Country you will find that they speak more than one language , Except for America . There are very few Countries that only speak on Language , And if you are Latino and know Spanish , They will try and make you Stop Speaking Spanish and won't give you a job . If you speak Arabic , Housa or ( Whatever Language You Speak ) , They want you to stop speaking it and speak English to get your Mind Trapped In English , Because they control The Phonetics of English . They control The Emotion ( E-Motion , Energy In Motion ) , That comes behind English . They're trying to make America One Language , But it have too many Immigrants and too many other Languages , So the only way to get a call Congress to get all these other Languages out , Without making it look like they are Anti 0 United Nations , Is to fabricate other Code Of Arms . I know And You Know People Don't Want Their Children Talking Ebonics .
The following article give you an Idea of what I'm Talking about . Taken from '' The Atlanta Journal - Constitution '' Newspaper , Sunday , September 12 , 1999 A,D. Issue , Entitled '' Watch Your Language - Workers Fighting Back Against English - Only Polices On The Job '' By Martha Irvine And it states '' Carlos Solero Couldn't Believe His Ears When His Bosses Started Reprimanding Him For Speaking Spanish On The Job . '' Even If I Was Sining To Myself Or Just Mumbling , I Would Get A Warning '' , The 31 - Year - Old Assembly - Line Worker Says Of The '' English Only '' Policy His Bosses Instituted At A Suburban Chicago Manufacturing Plant Two Years Ago . The Company Said The Policy Was Needed To Improve Communication On Its Assembly Line . Eventually , Solero Was Asked To Sign A Work Agreement That Included The Policy , But He Refused . '' I Told Them , 'You Cannot Shut Me Up , '' Says Solero , Who Was Fired Three Days Later .
NoteHe And Seven Other Spanish - Speakers And The Federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Have Filed Lawsuits . Against Watlow Batavia , A Metal - Casting And Assembly Plant In Batavia , lll . Legal Experts Say It's Part Of A Growing Movement Against Employers Who Try To Force Workers To Speak English On The Job , '' I Think We're Going To See More And More Of These Types Of Lawsuits , Especially As The Population Of Immigrants Grows And More Languages Are Spoken In The Workplace , '' Says Jose Behar , An EEOC Attorney Handling The Ageney's Lawsuit Against Watlow
By The Way I Don't Give Out Personal Information , But I Can Speak Three Diffrent Language .
IssaEl999, are you a Rastafari by any chance? I know they use the word "Overstand" a fair bit.
By the way which dialect of english are you speaking?
As far as i can recall when i was taught english in the schools i went to in England the teachers always said the capital letter was to be used on the first word of a sentence and not at the beginning of every word within the sentence.Would be much obliged if you could enlighten me, maybe they've been teaching us the wrong way to write sentences and you in fact are writing sentences in the correct way
< They Were Converting You To Their Way Of Life / Maybe You Should Research The English Language / That If Your Really Want Know Where It Came From > ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 07 April 2011 at 2:50pm
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Interesting turn of events! This isn't about some koran burning or lybian rant, this is about how my stay here was. I remember in the beginning how I was accused of being some banned member, a troll, and some covert Zionist. Regardless of those false accusations I took it in stride, but I really am bothered by not learning.
As for the one who asked me about US history? Yes. I know about history. But if you're going to put the US on trial as well as Christianity or Judaism, let us put Islam on trial as it didn't have a far better and more peaceful history either. My point is I did come to learn and more often I was just bombarded with accusations, conspiracies, US/Jewish hatred. Frankly this website isn't really fair when it comes to protection.of other religions. I remembering making a derogatory statement about Christianity with no punishment, yet if someone remarks against islam negatively there is always moderation. I think if people are guided by Islamic principles and if and only if islam is indeed just, even simple computer needs that claim to be muslim should reflect those principles. I really haven't had much time to blog but when I do I am on another site. I am sure its against forum rules to advertise other sites so I will say if you want to know just pm me. I will occasionally come back here time to time but I think my motivation to learn Islam has ran out of gas here. |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 07 April 2011 at 4:56pm
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IssaEl999 Watlow Batavia did just fine law suit or no law suit if you like to know! What part of the word employee the employees of Watlow Batavia didn't understand? Weren't they suppose to know and speak the language on their paychecks at least unless they were bunch of dummkopfs to begin with... ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 07 April 2011 at 5:36pm
Never Argue With An *****. They Drag You Down To Their Level Then Beat You With Experience. ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 07 April 2011 at 7:19pm
No matter how hard you try to be a smart Alec; doesn't work on the internet debate coz it is like running of the Special Olympics; even if you win are still considered a social retard! So let me make this crystal clear I am not here to win! capisce amigo!  ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 08 April 2011 at 1:40am
Gibbs, you have a fair point and i agree with your feelings, as a muslim, when i raise questions with fellow muslims, i often get the same responses as you do, and more often i get the stares to say "aren't you a muslim?".
It does seem that it is very difficult to talk about islam with fellow muslims without them going on the defensive and reacting in the way you have mentioned above. But please rest assured there those of us who welcome dialogue and open debate and are open to questions being asked, but the other types are always the ones who seem to get the headlines.
I think there are two types of people those who start the sentence with "In Islam we believe that..................." thereby expressing the point of view as a muslim but also recognising that there are other points of views out there, and those who start with "The only and the right way is ......................" thereby dismissing the views and thoughts of all other points of views
Hope you find you stay in the other forums more beneficial to your needs.
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Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 08 April 2011 at 1:46am
If the pastor is to be held accountable, then i guess we are all in danger of setting off unrest somewhere or another in whatever we may do or not do or in whatever we say or not say, and the only safest course of action would be to to have as little interaction with other people as possible. Cos i'm sure no matter what we say or do, they'll always be at least one person amongst the billions who inhabit the earth who will disagree with it
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Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 08 April 2011 at 4:40am
For Some Reson You Have This Need Of My Attention , And You Take What I Say As An Insult . When It's Not , I See You As A Real Jack A$$ . Meaning Your One Of Those Computer A$$ Hole Who Think He Funny . And That Because You Have Be Allow To Get Away With Your Mindless Insult Here . And It All Part Of Your Nature . So Take Your Billy Bob ***** *** Else Where Ok . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 08 April 2011 at 4:47am
This World Is Divided Into ( Two ) People . The So-called Righteous And The Unrighteous . And It's Always The So-called Righteous That Doing The Dividing . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 08 April 2011 at 8:39am
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My goodness, so we can't even have a moral and ethical position in the interest of safest course? "... to to have as little interaction with other people as possible." My focus isn't so broad. My concern is with hate speech. Let me say, I applaud the UK law which makes it a criminal offense to deny the Holocaust as hate speech. When reflecting on the atrocities of fascism, who but an evil and vile individual would assert it never even happened! Surely their only intention is to foment trouble/hate. Would you not agree? The Florida Pastor was advised by the highest levels of our government that his actions could place American lives in jeopardy. Young men and women fighting a counter-insurgency directly in harms way; attempting to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. He was counseled by faith based organizations throughout our nation against burning the Quran, but ignored both official warnings and those of fellow citizens. And he doesn't even bear moral responsibility? I think America should adopt a similar "hate speech" law as in the UK. The world is just entirely too dangerous to allow unmitigated hate.
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Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 09 April 2011 at 5:32pm
I am trying to figure out how this had to do with my initial post. Anyway since we have digressed from the original post I will comment. I support this preacher, even though his actions are counter-christian I believe all Americans have a right to freedom of speech. Yes indeed his speech endangered the lives of Americans but his behavior and the reactions that follows has exposed the kind of culture Afghans have. If Islam were to have any kind of face the world can only look at the reactions. When Muslims say "Islam is peace" and are adherents to such doctrine, how do muslims explain the murder of the people there for an action of one man? Where are the orthodox teachings? If Muslims there call themselves following orthodox teachings then their reactions do a poor job. Wasn't there a story where the prophet Muhammad had a lady dumped trash on him when he passed all the way until she was sick yet the prophet visited her and prayed for her? So if the world continues to dump trash on muslims are muslims simply going to dump the same trash back on them? The time for self responsibility starts now. Citing how much this psycho preacher was warned is no excuse for murder. Besides palestinians call (and do) stuff worse to Jews. |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 09 April 2011 at 7:09pm
You Know I Have Been Reading This Post And A Few Of You Other Post . You Wear A Mask One Minute Your
 The Next Your Attacking Muslims Your Full Of S*** Any Body In Their Right Mind Knows That Preacher Wrong . You Also Speak Of The Palestinian . How Would Like If Some Come And Take Your House / Land And Start Building On It , And Don't Come With That Lie God Gave Them That Land , You Also Speak Of Other Teaching . That Tell Me You Know Nothing Of Bible Because If You Did You'll Know What It Says About The So-called Jew In John 8 ; 44 , And Don't Come With That Anti -Bull S**** Because That Another Trick The So-called Jews Use To Make The Fool Like You Believe Some One Picking On Them . Now Before You Say Some Silly Like Thinking I'm Muslims I'm Not . Orthodox Jews Says The Torah http://www.nkusa.org/ - Read More Here
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Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 09 April 2011 at 7:18pm
A United Nations commission says it�s facing obstacles from the Israeli government ahead of its probe of alleged war crimes during Israel�s three-week assault on Gaza earlier this year. The commission is probing allegations of war crimes committed by both Israeli forces and Hamas fighters. But inquiry head Richard Goldstone says his team will likely have to enter Gaza through Egypt, because Israel has refused to cooperate.
Richard Goldstone: �It would have been our wish to start there, to visit southern Israel, Sderot, to go into Gaza through the front door to go to the West Bank, which is also included in our mission. I made a number of approaches to the Israeli ambassador in Geneva, even a direct approach to Prime Minister Netanyahu, but we�ve really received no official response.�Goldstone says his team plans on holding public hearings for Gaza residents to share their testimony. More than 1,400 Palestinians were killed during the Israeli attack, most of them civilians. Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said Israel will ignore the inquiry�s mission.
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Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 9:21am
First off the sign of an ignorant person is the fact that you have to use profane language to respond. I wasn't crying, and actually Abuayisha, SignReader and many others here do the crying for me by them always posting articles how how muslims are victims. I was merely exposing how this forum shows double standards which really doesn't show true Islamic teachings. For instance, let's take your behavior for example. If indeed you are a follower of Muhammad why was profanity one of the first things that come out of your mouth? Not to mention insults? I didn't use profanity nor use insults towards Muslims I merely question behavior. I am so sorry but the world cannot easily separate people from religion, we live in a highly visual world where sometmez the look on the outside counts. Not to mention your tiresome attempt to show me proof about the Israeli state. Just because I am Jewish doesn't mean I am pro-israel, I am actually against it for the record, and seeing how you are new I guess you missed that post some time ago. But even though I am against it I am not pro-Jihad in getting it back. The fighting is over and done. The surroundig Arab countries had their chance and failed. So get over it! My wife is also Palestinian and although I respect her heritage and culture I definiely don't respect the hate within some of the people within that culture. Not only were they racist they didn't give me a chance to extend my arm for a handshake. I had to ask if they followed islam, and I was told yes, so much so that they pray five times a day, go to friday prayers and one of her brothers is studying to be a Scholar yet, they hate all Jews....hmmmm hate? Doesn't seem compatible with what Islam teaches right? That's a brief history about me for you, but more importantly my views on this preacher is apparent. I in any way, shape, or form, condone this preacher at all but he has a right to do whatever he wants, so long as he doesn't threaten or infringe the freedom of others. It shouldn't be against the law if someone denies the holocaust, or someone believing Muhammad was nothing more than a pedophile. All of these are forms of opinionated expressions and if the Afghan people are silly enough to listen and go berserk over some nutjob then it not only exposes the irrational mindset but the inability to cope with severe criticism of their religion. So while you guys cry "the preacher, the preacher" some people lost their lives because a few Afghan nut jobs cannot handle criticism. You guys wonder why people think Islam is a violent religion. Of course I make no attempts to criticize islam in any way shape or form but I do see double standards here, and you Issa are one of them. My original intent was indeed to come here and learn no to complain or cry about this or that but to sincerely learn. Now look what happens when I post a bit of that frustration this whole thread turns into about what some crazy preacher did. Instead of respectfully addressing the issue you guys turn it into who can whine the loudest. By the way Issa you're whinning win Abuayisha, and SignReader right behind you. |
Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 9:25am
| Ok Issa, I had to re-read your post and you claim to NOT be muslim, my mistake however you have horrible grammar. Is English your second language? |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 12:53pm
Small Minded Insult Are Expect < my mistake however you have horrible grammar. Is English your second language? > But I Know You Got My Point . Sorry I Didn't Read All Your Testimony I Careless About Your Personal Life . And If I WERE A Muslims I Wouldn't Be A Shame To Say It . And If I Were To Explain Where The So-called English Language Come From , I Might Get In A Little Trouble , With A Few People Here . But Hey When Your Looking For Excuses You'll Find One Right . Abuayisha, and SignReader Are Just Like You Looking For Pat On The Head / Someone To Agree WithThem All Awhile In Their Slick Way Insulting / Attacking Others . If You Have Thin Skin You Should Beware What Your Asking For . The Labeling Game It Out Dated , It Use By The Weak And Those Who Fear Other , Who Try To Get Other To Accept Their Close minded Thought . Meaning . You Three Like To Throw Rock And Hide Your Hands . O - By The Way Stop Lying You Came Here To Attack / Insult Muslim In Your Slick Way Like You Did In The Above Post . But When It Came Your Turn You Wanted To Pull The Picking On Me Card . Part Of You Nature To Play The Anti-Card Right . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 1:30pm
Israeli Troops Fire on Palestinian ProtestsIn Israel and the Occupied Territories, four Palestinians were wounded Sunday near the Al-Aqsa Mosque in occupied East Jerusalem. Israeli police fired rubber bullets and stun grenades at Palestinians who were trying to block a group of militant Israeli settlers from entering the mosque compound. Another seven Palestinians were arrested. The attack comes two days after Israeli troops disrupted a series of protests against the West Bank separation wall. Israeli police fired tear gas at demonstrations near at least three Palestinian villages: Burin, Nil�in and Bil�in. The demonstrators had tried to remove barbed wire placed around the wall when Israeli troops fired the tear gas. Report: Israel Conditions Palestinian Cellular Network on War Crimes ProbeIn other news, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz is reporting Israel has threatened the Palestinian Authority with revoking a vital cell phone network unless the PA drops a request for an International Criminal Court probe of alleged Israeli war crimes. The PA submitted the request after a UN inquiry found Israel had committed war crimes in its attack on the Gaza Strip and recommended a potential ICC investigation. Israel has reportedly warned it could judge the PA�s request for a second cellular provider based on its willingness to withdraw the ICC demand. http://www.democracynow.org/ - Click here: Democracy Now! | Radio and TV News ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 1:40pm
| Who owns the cell phone network? Is it within the Israelis pervue to revoke the cell phone network useage? |
Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 1:44pm
Seriously, your english is horrible just go hang yourself for trying to make sense, or you can borrow my MLA handbook. It helps to conjugate verbs and nouns properly. Only way I can understand you is if you post a link. At least I can understand it. By the way its Muslim not Muslims when referring to singular. |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 1:50pm
I Hit A NERVE John Told The Truth John 8 ; 44 Owell ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 1:58pm
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The Balfour Declaration Was Due To Expire On May 15 , 1948 , Can You Explain This , I Know You Can Read This If You Can't Read Anything Els Right ??? ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 6:28pm
| Issa, actually it wasn't the Balfour Declaration that was due to expire. It was the British Mandate for Palestine that was expiring. What is it that you need explained? |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 6:36pm
This is getting reeeally hilarious! ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 6:46pm
| It is funny, isn't it. Sad, but funny. |
Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 6:47pm
Lol I don't even believe in the Bible or Koran so hit what nerve? Just like a fool, you want to quote fairy tales I don't believe in. |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 8:35pm
What Was It All About . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 8:41pm
| Issa, you wrote "The Balfour Declaration Was Due To Expire On May 15 , 1948 ". This is an error on your part so I can not explain it. Maybe you can explain it since it occurred only in your imagination. |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 8:55pm
I'm The Fool When Your The One Like A Woman . Giveing Long Testimony On You So-called History / Telling Me Who You Were MarryTo / Things That Happen To Your Family , As If It Matter Somehow . Right . Hummmm The Name Of This Post off And On Again Hummm Sound Like You Have Something To Prove Because Your Still Here . Oh Yes I Hit A Nerve And You Know It . To Desire Security Is A Sign Of Insecurity . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 11:05pm
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IssaEl999: Whatever is your mission to be on this forum obviously is not panning out. It is almost unanimous feed back that you are having hard time expressing in simple and straightforward language that we use in our discussions! I am not too sure why have you taken that approach but it sure is not working! If I was in that predicament it will be wise for me to take comfort in 'silence is golden' adage instead of staying the course! ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 11 April 2011 at 12:35am
Thanks a lot  Love you too!IssaEl999 What you got to say for yourself? In all the years I have been here you are the last fella I would have myself associated with! If you can't plead the case stay away from the soap box. ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 11 April 2011 at 6:24am
If I'm The Last Person You Would Associated With As You Say , Well You Just Made A Liar Out Of Yourself . Like I Have Said In My Post To You Before . You Have Been Allow To Push That Billy Bob **** For Awhile Now And You Speak Of Me On Soap Box , And Have Been Following Me Around Seeking My Attention . Yet You Lie And Say I'll Be The Last Person You Would Associated With . Funny Thing About A Liar They Have To Keep Lying In Order To Cover Up The Other Lies They're Telling . If I Were To Step Into Your Flag Waveing World And Tell You About Yourself . I Might Get A Warning Or Even Get Banned . This Is Why I Said Never Argue With An *****. They Drag You Down To Their Level Then Beat You With Experience. You Took This AS A Joke Or An Insult . But It Wasn't . Now Here A Chance To Be A Man And Keep Your Word . Don't Associted Yourself With Me Ok . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 11 April 2011 at 6:27am
Coming From A Few People Who Talk Through Their Nose . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 12 April 2011 at 6:14pm
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Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 12 April 2011 at 6:50pm
| I think someone is being just a little sensitive. I'll be embarassed for you, OK. |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 12 April 2011 at 6:59pm
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Meanwhile, Israeli warplanes have launched new attacks on smuggling tunnels near Gaza�s Egypt border. A resident of Rafah said her family narrowly escaped injury. Resident: �Planes bombed, and rockets fell near the house. My husband and the children were in the car just five minutes before the strike. They would have been attacked if they had stayed in it.� Meanwhile, the Israeli government is facing new international criticism over its latest refusal to allow aid into the Gaza Strip. The aid group Mercy Corps says Israel is blocking a ninety-ton shipment of macaroni into Gaza. Much of Gaza�s 1.4 million population relies on humanitarian aid. The US is expected to pledge around $900 million for Gaza at a donors� conference beginning on Monday. All of the money would go to non-governmental organizations. Democracy Now.org ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 12 April 2011 at 10:43pm
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Sigh***
My entertainment ran its limts...I will stop feeding trolls @schmickbob don't feel bad or embarrassed for me I am not here to be impressive. Just entertaining the dummies who took my post from me expressing myself, to lybian issues, to now ISSA the disgrubtled muslim defender |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 13 April 2011 at 7:08am
You're A Cold Blooded Liarrr . Your Here To Insult / Attack Muslims In Your Underhanded / Slick Way . Anyone Who Reading Your Post Can See This , Now That The Table Has Trun . You Want To Play This Game Call Why Are People Picking On Me . You Insult Prophet Muhammad In The Above Post'ss Many Time And Islam As A Whole . Calling People Dummies / Disgrubtled Muslims Defender Etc Etc . You Like Throwing Rocks At Other's And Hide Your Blooded Hands . You Are Here To Conceal / Cover The Truth . And If Anyone Disagree With The ***** You Post Your Feeling Get Hurt Then You Want To Play Victim
The Old Anti-Game , Which SOME People Like Yourself Love To Play When Thing Doesn't Go Your Way . If You Have Thin Skin , You Should Pick Your Words Wisely From That Play Book You Say You Carry , Or Get A New One Because It Not Working For You . You're Full Of Yourself If Your Think No One Going To Challenge You When You Insult / Attack Other . I Guess When You Been Brian Wash To Think You're Above Other . ******* Happen Right ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 13 April 2011 at 7:16am
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Group: Israel May Built 73,000 New Settlement Homes
The Israeli group Peace Now says Israeli authorities are considering plans for 73,000 new housing units in Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports that if all of the units are built, it would mean a 100 percent increase in the total number of Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Hagit Ofran of Peace Now: �We believe that if such plans are going to be implemented, this could really prevent a two-state solution and actually any solution to our conflict. And this is why we call the new government not to approve any new construction anywhere in the West Bank whatsoever.� Donors Pledge $5.2 Billion at Gaza Reconstruction Conference International donors pledged $5.2 billion Monday at a conference to rebuild the devastated Gaza Strip, but not all of the money will go to Gaza. The Obama administration offered up $900 million, but only $300 million is directed for humanitarian relief for the people of Gaza. The rest of the money will go to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Hamas spokesperson Mushir al-Masri criticized the international community for not directing more of the money to rebuild Gaza. Mushir al-Masri: "We would like to stress that the rebuilding of Gaza should not be politicized, and this cause needs to be placed in its correct context�the welfare and humanitarian one. What happened in this conference was directing the rebuilding funds to the wrong people. But we would like to stress that what is most important is opening the crossings and ending the siege that has been placed on the Gaza Strip.� Democracy Now.org ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 13 April 2011 at 7:43am
| Issa, let's see who's here to insult others. You use the words "cold-blooded, underhanded, slick, liar, insult, attack, blooded hands, conceal, and brain wash" to describe someone in a single paragraph of a single post. Unfortunately for you, words have meaning. You simply don't grasp the fundamentals of debate. |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 13 April 2011 at 9:06am
Who Are You His Daddy ? If You Feel Sorry For Him Then You Should Tell Him To Check Him Self . Or Maybe You Agree With His Action Too . either Way Mind You Business Ok . By You Taking His Side Mean Nothing . He Nobody Special Nor Are You Overstand . It's People Like You Who Feel Sorry For This Joker , That Make Him Feel It Ok To Attack / Insult Other In His Underhanded Way . If He Man Enought To Attack / Insult Others Then He Should Be Man Enought To Take It . Or s*****p . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 13 April 2011 at 1:31pm
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Issa
you're a funny guy, lol
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Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 13 April 2011 at 1:43pm
| Sad, but funny. |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 13 April 2011 at 3:46pm
What Sad Is You Feel You Have To Defend This Clown , What Funny You Can't Even See You BeING Use , But That Your Right '' Yes '' ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 13 April 2011 at 6:34pm
hey Issa clue me in, you are not a Muzlum; why do have Quraan in your signature? I am wondering what is the catch? ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 13 April 2011 at 11:39pm
Words Of A Liar < I have been here you are the last fella I would have myself associated with!> And The Nature Of John 8 ; 44 . Your Ego Got The Best Of You Didn't It . If A Man Can't Keep His Word He's Nothing . Now We All Know Your Nothing . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 14 April 2011 at 3:49am
Pure Columbian, this is one of the best posts I've read since joining Islamicity about a year ago. Your words strengthen my belief that we should never lose hope. Without your kind of self reflection and ability to reach out to other people, interfaith understanding and dialog becomes very difficult. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 14 April 2011 at 3:58am
In Germany this law is called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksverhetzung - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksverhetzung and Terry Jones would have been arrested if his Quran burning had happened here. The penalty would have been paying a large fine. In fact something like this happened in the 1980s: 'Florida preacher Terry Jones was too radical for a church he set up in West Germany in the 1980s and was expelled last year by its board, according to European press accounts. "Jones became increasingly radical as the years went by,� the German magazine Der Spiegel reported online, quoting �former associates� and others. Andrew Sch�fer, a Protestant Church official who is charged with keeping an eye on the emergence of extremist sects in the Cologne region, told Der Spiegel that �Jones is a fundamentalist.� Germany was "central" to Jones�s alleged plans to lead the "Christian awakening of Europe," Sch�fer told The Guardian newspaper of London. In 2002 a Cologne court convicted Jones, who has only an honorary degree from an unaccredited school of theology in California, of falsely using the title �doctor� and fined $3,800, according to German media reports.' http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/09/terry_jones_too_radical_for_ge.html - http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/09/terry_jones_too_radical_for_ge.html ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 14 April 2011 at 4:45am
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Matt Browne, thank you for your kind words, :-) |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 14 April 2011 at 5:25am
Why not give Islamicity more time? Societies evolve. Religions evolve. Online forums evolve. If derogatory statements about Christianity are acceptable here, while derogatory statements about Islam are not, this should be a matter of debate. And I'm sure if this is really the case as you claim, the more mature Muslims here will be quite embarassed about it. As a Christian I would be extremely embarassed about unfair and biased moderation in a Christian forum. Moderation has to be neutral, otherwise a forum becomes a medium for the propaganda of one particular world view. In any case, Gibbs, I'm looking forward to your return. We need intellectual people with a mindset like yours. We need disagreement. We need competing ideas. We need to expose unfairness. It's the fuel of progress. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 14 April 2011 at 5:39am
I agree with Gibbs. We have to stop feeding trolls. It's the only strategy that works. I also think that the moderators should send out a PM. I come here to learn and understand and have real debates with people who respect each other despite the emotions and some disagreement that might exist. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 14 April 2011 at 8:35pm
Your Still Talking Out Of Both Sides Of Your Mouth , One Side Of Your Mouth You Speak Of Respecting Each Other And The Other Side Of Your Mouth Your Calling People Names , I Guess That What You Call Be Christ Like . It's People Like Yourself That Breeds RACISM , HATRED , SEPARATION , INORANCE , And All The WAR'S On The Planet Earth . You Even Have The Nerve , Trying To Tell The Moderators How To Run IslamiCity Forum . Just Like A Christian Who Think They Can Go Around The World Telling Other What They Can And Connot Do In The Name Of Their God . This Reminds Me Of A Verse In The By -Bill ,
Job Chapt Two , Verse ; 1 - 2 , And I Quote ; Again There Was A Day When The Sons Of Gods Came To Present Themselves Before The Lord , And Satan Came Also Among Them To Present Himself Before The Lord . Verses 2 . And The Lord Said Unto Satan From Whence , Comest Thou ? And Satan Answered The Lord , And Said From Going To And Fro In The Earth And From Walking Up And Down In It .
Now Satan Said To And Fro , Walking Up And Down , If I'm Not Mistakeing Satan Just Made The Sign Of The Cross . Hummm Now Everyone Know When A Cross Is Up Side Down It Becaome A Sword . I Always Wonder What Was Satan Doing With That Cross , I Mean Sword While Going To And Fro / Walking Up And Down In The Planet Call Earth . Matt Browne Can You Explain What Satan Was Doing With That Cross I Mean Sword ? ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 1:13am
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IssaEl999 as a muslim i find your comments deeply offensive.
I politely plead with you that if you are unable to have a meaningful dialogue with others and treat them with respect and diginity and unable to treat them as you yourself would like to be treated especially when they have a different opinion and view of things, then please refrain for posting any more comments.
We are all hear to learn from one another in a civilsed way and to treat each with respect and dignity.
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Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 5:46am
If You Have Been Reading All The Post , And You Can Step To Me Asking Me About Respect / Diginity When These People Don't Show Any Themselves Only Among Their Little Group . Then I Can See Why They Show Little Respect / Diginity To Some Muslims Here . These People Are Wearing Two Face They Show No Respect / Diginity To Anyone But Themselves . Like I Said If You Have Been Reading All The Post And Can Point The Finger At Me Only .
Then Their Something Wrong With Your Eyes.
I Have No Problem Respecting Anyone . But I Will Now Bow To These People , Because They Disagree With What I Post . So I Respectful Ask You To Mind Your Business Overstand . If You Wish To Kiss Up And Bow To These People Be . So Be It . What I Find Soooo Funny They Have Been Able To Flip People Like Yourselves To Do Their Dirty Work , When They Use Those Underhanded Insult / Attacks Against Muslims Here . And Few Here Call That That Discussing / Dabateing .
What A Joke . You Have One Person Here Think He Can Tell The Muslims How To Run This Forum Here . . I'm Not Going Play This Back And Forward Game With You Ok . I Can See You Don't Know Any Better . You Just Got Here And They Already Have Their Hand Up Your Back Working Your Mouth Defendanting Their Cause . Awwwwww Man . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 5:55am
| IssaEl999, are you a muslim? do you follow the faith of Islam and the teachings of the Quran and Prophet Mohammed SAW (PBUH)? |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 6:13am
I See Your On A Mission Poor Thing http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19125 - As Salaaamu Alaykum ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 6:31am
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IssaEl999
Without a clear Yes or No answer, i'm going to take it you are a muslim, (please forgive me if my assumption is wrong), but if you indeed are then maybe you've missed the following:
The prophet of Islam said: �Whoever hurts a non Muslim, I shall be his complainant and for whoever I am a complainant, I shall ask for his right on the day of Resurrection.� (Hadith)
He also said: � Whoever persecutes a non Muslim or demands work from him beyond his capacity or takes something from him with evil intentions, I shall be a complainant against him on the day of Resurrection.�(Hadith) Freedom for the Muslims as well as for the non-Muslims is guaranteed by Islamic law, which gives all citizens the right to complete equality and considers their life and property sacred. When Omar, the second Caliph, had learned that some Muslims had taken a piece of land belonging to a Jew, and had built a mosque on it, he ordered the demolition of the mosque and the land was given back the Jew. Prophet Mohammed said: � One who hurts a non-Muslim, he hurts me and one who hurts me, hurts God.� (Hadith) Again the prophet said: � Whoever relieves a human being from a grief of this world, God will relieve him from a grief on the day of judgment.� (Hadith) Islamic teachings instruct the Muslims to respect and cooperate with the followers of other religions and treat them equally provided they reciprocate the same feeling. When Omar entered Jerusalem victoriously, he visited the Holy Church. When the Muslims prayer was due, the Christian Patriarch asked him to perform his prayer in the church. But Omar refused, saying: � I fear that once I have my prayer in this church, the coming generations of Muslims would say that in this place Omar had performed his prayer and therefore it has to be converted to a mosque. I want the church to remain a church.� Muslims respect Jesus and acknowledge him as one of God�s messengers. They never refer to him simply as �Jesus� but always add the phrase �peace be upon him� just as they do for prophet Mohammed and prophet Moses. Qur�an says about Jesus: � O� Mary! God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honoured in this world and the Here after, and one of those brought near to God.� (3:45) And about Moses, the Qur�an says: � Also mention in the Book Moses: For he was specially chosen. And he was a messenger and a prophet. And We called him from the right side of Mount (Sinai), and made him draw near to Us.� (19:51-52) Moreover, a Muslim is allowed to marry a non-Muslim, Christian or Jew, and should give her the liberty to practice her religion without interfering or questioning her going to the church or to synagogue or drinking alcohol or practicing any other customs. "You do not do evil to those who do evil to you, but you deal with them with forgiveness and kindness." (Sahih Al-Bukhari) |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 7:26am
I Don't Accept Testimony Ok . Nor Do I Read Them Ok . By The Way You Can't Tell Me Anything About The Teaching Of Islam Or Christianity . So Don't Waste Your Time Preaching To Me Ok . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 7:32am
Oh i see you know everything, ah well i guess i'll go and chat to someone like myself who doesn't know everything.
May your god be with you. Peace.
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Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 7:38am
Best Move You Made Today . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: pure_columbian
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 7:39am
Thanks
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Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 8:44am
Thought You Said You Were Going Chat With SomeOne Else , Are You A Person Of Your Word Are Not ???? ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 12:34pm
| Issa, "Thanks" is not an epithet or chat or a form of debate. It is a word that renders courtesy. If it offends you, perhaps you should consider that your world view might be radically skewed since it offends no one else on the planet. |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 19 April 2011 at 3:56am
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When looking at some of the recent posts I must admit that I understand why Gibbs no longer wants to be involved. Reaching out to Issa would be so much easier in the real world. Sometimes the online world can make matters worse. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 19 April 2011 at 7:39am
First Overstand Something If You Can , I Know It Will Be Hard Because Of Your Ego . I See You As Person Who Speak Out Both Sides Of His Mouth , And Anyone Who Doesn't Fall In Line With What You Believe / Accept Is A Threat To You . This Is The Real Deal . You Speak Of A World For People Who See Things Like You And Those Who Feel The Same As You . Meaning Controling Others Way Of Life / Land / Resources Etc . The Scriptures Speak Of People Like Yourself John 8 ; 44 . Now Your Going To Take This As A Personal Attack / Insult But It Not . Reaching Out To Me Now That Funny . Oh By The Way Gibbs Just Like You Both Attack / Insult Other In Your Slick Way , And You Try To Make It Like Others Are Insulting / Attacking You , You Like Throwing Rocks And Hideing Your Hands . ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: Gibbs
Date Posted: 20 April 2011 at 9:00am
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Issa first off im done with this thread. My daily participation will diminish. There are plenty other forums foe me to participate in but its so sad that the continual rhetoric I hear about religion of Islam being of peace yet the dialogue between you and other here do not reflect that.
You really haven't said or proved anything Issa all you have shown is an inability to formulate a coherent sentence because frankly I have to painfully decipher just what the hell you're saying |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 20 April 2011 at 10:08am
First Here A Gift For You It Explain Your English Language http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20007 - Things That Make You Say No Way Post # 18 , Now Hopefully When You Leave And Go To These New Forums You Will Grow Some B**** Or Buy Some Ok . Because All You Do Is B**** And  And Come With All These Excuses , When Thing Don't Go Your Way . Let's See If You're A Person Of Your Word . And See If This Will Be Your Last Post . Personally I Know Your Lying Because You Like To B***** And To Much To Leave , Meaning You Love It When People Feel Sorry For You , That Why You Keep Coming Back Right ?------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 20 April 2011 at 11:56am
| Issa, you need to get a new shtik. This one only makes you look ignorant. |
Posted By: IssaEl999
Date Posted: 20 April 2011 at 12:03pm
Birds Of Feather ....... ------------- El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) . |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 12 May 2011 at 5:28am
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Somebody should have a conversation with Issa in his native language. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of misunderstandings here. If someone only understands 10% of a post most replies will not make any sense. What is Issa's native language? Arabic? Urdu? Or Balochi, Pashto, Punjabi, Saraiki, or Sindhi? ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |