SCIENCE/HISTORY/BIBLE & QURAN CONVINCED!
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Posted By: Abdu-Rahman,Kai
Subject: SCIENCE/HISTORY/BIBLE & QURAN CONVINCED!
Date Posted: 25 August 2005 at 4:19am
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A.S.A.! I found Islam in beginning of 2003 in Helsinki, Finland (our
capital in south, I am from "capital" of Lapland, Rovaniemi, in north).
Thinking about this picture can give some idea about me and my thinking: At first, look at this beautiful picture about area of Islam, it can not be other that Allah who made it! http://www.geocities.com/sciencekoran/cover1.gif I am interested about all science and bible (and history) oriented proofs on behalf of Islam, from all fields, and I think I have found some that maybe non-other has noticed before, so please help translating and spreading them, to increase faith of us all (it surely did it for me, very strong reasons why I accepted Islam, I put many links if some will not open in one hour due to high traffic) : YOU CAN READ IT ALL AS ONE WHOLE WRITING: http://www.geocities.com/sciencekoran/index.html OR THEN AS EACH AREA ON DIFFERENT SECTIONS ON THESE LINKS: BIBLE PROPHECIED ISLAM, ALL NATIONS HAD PROPHETS ACCORDING TO BIBLE: http://www.geocities.com/sciencekoran/Islam.html http://www.geocities.com/sciencekoran/islam.html http://www.geocities.com/sciencekoran/muslims.html http://www.geocities.com/sciencekoran/muslim.html And visit for rest in: http://www.geocities.com/bible_and_history/islam.html http://www.geocities.com/bible_and_history/index.html ASTRONOMY AND "ALIENS"(UFO�S) IN KORAN: http://www.geocities.com/astronomy_ufo/islam.html http://www.geocities.com/astronomy_ufo/index.html HUMANS AND ANIMALS IN KORAN: http://www.geocities.com/humans_animals/islam.html http://www.geocities.com/humans_animals/index.html GEOLOGY/PROPHECY AND HISTORY IN KORAN: http://www.geocities.com/geology_prophecy_history/islam.ht ml http://www.geocities.com/geology_prophecy_history/islam.ht ml CLOUDS / LIGHTNINGS AND MOUNTAINS IN KORAN: http://www.geocities.com/clouds_mountains/islam.html http://www.geocities.com/clouds_mountains/index.html BODIES OF WATER AND MATHEMATICS:: http://www.geocities.com/sea_mathematics/islam.html http://www.geocities.com/sea_mathematics/index.html ------------- NEW VERSION, AND LOT MORE NEW (IN LINKS AND MAIN PAGE): http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=102 1115 "KINGDOM OF GOD", ISLAM: http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/islam |
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Posted By: Abdu-Rahman,Kai
Date Posted: 25 August 2005 at 4:20am
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Pages: (1-2 introduction) 3-22 Koran and science, what kind of God created "survival of the fittest" (p.19-20 �deserts green�/�Islamic manifest�)? 3-8 ASTRONOMY 9-11 OTHER FORMS OF INTELLIGENT LIFE? 11 BODIES OF WATER 12 MOUNTAINS 12 ANIMALS 12-13 HISTORY 13-16 HUMAN DEVELOPEMENT 16-21 GEOLOGY/PROPHECY (f.ex."flood" of Noah in Koran) 21 CLOUDS/LIGHTNINGS 21 MATHEMATICS 22 &n bsp; ENDING OF SCIENCE-SECTION (about 72 prophecies from Judgement Day, and proof that bible told more different nations than just jews have got prophets) ??-?? Jeesus prophesies Islam and told about (time of birth and order of) "The People of the Book"-religions (Luke.5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions +Luke.13:6-9, one "year" in prophecy is 600 years from Abraham to Islam=4 "years" 2400 years, 3 "years" before Jesus and 1 "year" from Jesus to Islam=600 years, when "tree of judaism", and with it Jesus=christianity, is cut down by Allah with "gardener" Jesus from way of Islam, +Matt.20:1-16, one "hour" is 200 years, "first hour" is Abraham, Jacob and jews 1800-1700 BC, "third hour" is Sabians 1200-1100 BC, "sixth hour" is beginning of prophecys about Messiah 600 BC and "ninth hour" is Jesus coming 1 AD, "eleventh hour" is Islam 500-700 AD). ??-?? Paul, SATAN ("beast in lambs clothing") himself! Compare Matt.24:23 and 24:26 how Jesus warned about Paul�s "revelation of Jesus" in road to Damascus and in prison as mark of false messiah and false prophet, compare Matt.24:24 to 2.Corinth.12:12, where Paul himself used same words to describe himself as Jesus used to describe false prophets and false messiahs. (p.??-?? Paul, warning to muslims), ??-?? Isaiah prophesies christianity and Islam (Isa.7:5-6,13-17 earthquake kiling 250 000 people in christian Syria 526 AD+Islam Isa.9:1-6) ?? John the Babtist and 5th Book of Moses (Deuteronomy) prophesies Islam (John.1:19-27+Deut.18:15-22+Matt.21:43) ??-?? World/ history/ Islam without christianity? (end of p.?? about womans rights in Islam) ?? Can we see God�s actions and influence in history, in our world? ?? Arabs "founded" America? ??-?? Jesus had a God, and more generally about Jesus ?? Crucifixion, illusion? (compare Luke 24:30-31 to Matt.12:38-40, Deut.13:5/21:22-23 ,Hosea 6:6,Matt.12:7,Matt.9:13, and Matt.7:7-11, Luke.11:9-13,Matt.26:39, and Luke.20:36-37,Luke.24:38-39 to Koran 4:157) Best proof on behalf of Islam will be that �god-Jesus� or �Messiah� will not appear before year 2028, as Bible and Taurah prophecied to happen for that generation (80 years in Bible) that SAW (can child see it?) foundation of Israel, it is on Matt.24:32-34, and it can only mean that one generation, not jews generally, as only they were to wittness birth of Israel that is described as tree (metaphor about Israel) putting forth its leaves. Then we will see that Bible is corrupted or that Jesus came as muslim, so muslims can let time and Allah to prove their religion, there is no reason to kill because of it: 41:53 �Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?� Allthough Jeesus might seem like for non-muslims "unsuccesful" prophet of Islam (which he was not, more of that on page ??), shall we never forget that everything we have now has been given to us through him (very important for Islam also). Let us think more deeply of his position and role in the world, Jeesus also came for muslims. So lets think world as a whole, what was meaning of Jesus, can actions of God be seen in the world? Was earthquake and tsunami (26.12.2004) just unfortunate "accident" after �birthday of Jesus� for God, or might it have something to do with fact that every countries suffering damage had (have had recently) either muslims fighting with each others (Sumatra, Somalia) or others fighting against muslims (India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Myanmar)? Luk.9:84 "...Whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me..." 22:17 "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things." 4:159 "And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-" Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) said that reason, intellectuality, is one of the greatest gifts given to us, so let�s use that gift. At the same time we shall get to know better Islam and its view to prophet Jeesus. In Islam is teaching about how you should choose your religion, through proofs (like science/Koran and history/Bible), NOT through "feeling", "ritual", "experience", "revelation" or any other (religious) extreamism, because how coul then we know which one of religions is right one (when for example hindus and christians both declare that with these "proofs", did God want us to guess?)? Is it not certain that at least some of these (all) are in great error, or can all of them be correct? As long as your faith is not based on evidence, it is on constant defending-position, and that is when biggest risk to lose it is near, so that is why muslims (and Koran) give more weight for learning and knowledge (in fact orders into it, and so on to study everything connected to those from our world) instead of searching for ("supernatural") experiences, cause humans are grown (ordered by Allah�s) environment and society, destiny that can not be avoided, only changed to better. According to Koran, Allah does not need our prayers, but we do, what you can notice from physiological and physical pleasure and peacefulness, when religion has done what it should do (in prayer). Islam does not concentrate on soul (allthough it is mentioned, might be same way of describing our most inner self, what we really are now and in hereafter, like when talking about "heart"), but to new creation, that we and our brains shall be created again from nothing (in other dimension?) as we were created before, from nothing. So meaning of brains is important, religiousness and "after death experiences" (perhaps been described in Islam as possible later test after death or satans plots) are all from brains. So Islam (and other religions) is "Opium to the people", not from man, but from God, He directs by it (also) us like apes. According to Islam, God does not put to hell from bad guess, but from abandoning (prophets who brought) evidences. 4:78-79 YUSUFALI: "Wherever ye are, death will find you out, even if ye are in towers built up strong and high!" If some good befalls them, they say, "This is from Allah"; but if evil, they say, "This is from thee" (O Prophet). Say: "All things are from Allah." But what hath come to these people, that they fail to understand a single fact? Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah; but whatever evil happens to thee, is from thy (own) soul. and We have sent thee as a messenger to (instruct) mankind. And enough is Allah for a witness." We just should accept God as He is, and not to try make Him like us, like humans. (1) As Islam is test for non-muslims (to accept it and have "clear table" again with old sins forgiven), it is also test for muslims (to follow it right and NOT forsake it), it is not responsible if muslims do not follow their religion (like in case of hurting innocents and their property which prophet forbidded strickly even in the case of war, or in the case that according to Islam it is not allowed to start a war without clear aggression from enemy, and when peace according to Islam have to be always done by fair terms offered. Prophet said: "whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years", murder according to prophet is listed as second on major sins, after muslims worshipping other than Allah. Even equal democracy was introduced in Islam, when both men and women voted first caliphs after death of prophet, as prophet has ordered to choose leader(s) for muslims by elections. Tolerance is most important, muslim can not cut a tree without permission in non-muslim areas. Even Islam now needs Israel, assimilation of jews were high on Europe and America, in hundreds of years would be difficult to explain for Asians and Americans what "jew" and their teachings means in Koran. Of course Israel have to admit muslims full rights and citizenship, possibility to move live there as Islamic area shaped like a bird or an angel has in the world always offered last refugee for jews and christians, even for chinese before communism as economic prosperity in Indonesia/Malesia, as ordered to allow them to come in Koran 9:6. Freedom, tolerance and not beeing judgemental is important, because what Allah has not given, one can not be expected to act so), there is lot of problems with muslims not knowing or following their religion, as there is problem with numerous "scholars" teaching with great contradiction against others and basics of Islamic teachings, even claiming that they only know what some parts of Islamic faith (Koran/hadiths) means. Answer to this could be helping people learn to read, so that they would be (instead of some few scholars) those that Koran mentions as "people with (more) knowledge". Islamic countries have been like testing grounds for different things, like for wars between different religions, colonialization, imperialism and court based punishments (with demand of witnesses and professional judges). But where is pain, is also gain, although wars In Africa are terrible. Africans are 50% muslims (Asians 33%), and refugees from muslim-countries spread Islam to non-muslim areas as far as Finland, and non-muslims have moved also to countries with lots of muslims (f.ex. Nigeria, Kenya, Tansania, Sudan), in that kind of environment religion is on mind a lot and change of religion is not that difficult, and some will later bringing back home Islam. Even (dry periods of) Sahel drive muslims more south. Islam teaches that light of Islam will reach every country (/land area with/of some state) before Judgement Day, and with internet light of Islam has reached finally rest of the world (after entering every country in Asia and Africa), but it has reached countries also through difficulties, like South- and North-America (+Caribean) in slavery of few African muslims and Cuba with Guantanamo-base of USA (it is part of Cuba, eventhough USA controls it, and it has been part of Cuba anyway). So we shall see the evidence. Koran suggest to search, study and get knowledge. So instead of putting birth of everything to credits of caused by only for example gravity, matter (it�s behaviour and properties), movement of continental plates and evolution (mutation) SOLELY, can�t we see behind them remembering who has created and caused those all (unevitable consequence from creation of God allmighty, allknowing), and with those laws directed (all happening and) development so that result is now we humans for example, who now with intellectual consiousness search space that has no intellectuality but gave our birth. Science, evolution-theory and darwinism (with yet unexplained great leaps in evolution) then does not prove against Islam (or Koran with beautiful descriptions, over 750 going like in science told, also covering evolution-theory), but just told us how (by what way/ what means and tools) Allah created world (f.ex. with laws of nature), so it is only search for His "Fingerprints". It does not matter if it looks like from human perspective predictable or randomly formed creation, when even random things have their own reasonable form, behaviour and construct (what you can see from stability of universum example, we are still here) and only Allah can know what is happening and why, where forming of energy ties in to place and time, neccessarity that one could notice when going back in time, because even if you could see to the future and try to change it, then change would become that real path of the future, what was affected by possibility of alternative future. Jesus gave us that kind of change (p.??). Good example from this all is "Adam and Eve", because DNA-tested people all over the world have conformed that we all humans have common ancestors, even as far back in time as 200 000 years. It does not matter how they came here (like for example from leap of evolution, 3:59 says that "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: �Be�. And he was", which can only mean that similitude is on both coming from womb they were created, as in 16:40 is said that Allah created everything else by word �Be` too) when Koran renounces (23:12) that Allah created us from GROUND of the Earth (/dust/clay), and in cycle of nature there is not single cell that would not have come from ground-based substances (even in sperm), through humans (and animals) food grown from ground. In fact it can not mean anything else, as 37:11 is speaking about all humans created from ground in general level, not just about Adam. So we can connect this development also to other species living before, turning to "ashes" even then, coming building blocks for us too, and Allah says in Koran that He created those also from water (f.ex.21:30) like "all living things" on earth (evolution started from water, in all living water is important and in searching extra-terrestial life water is priority), which continued on land as same family coming from water. So humans were created from water and the ground, animals overall from water, and in Koran Allah says that He created EVERYTHING (even not living) as pairs (pair-like structure of atoms, matter/anti-matter, good/evil, long/short, believer/unbeliever, male/female, etc.). In Koran might be advice to think other earlier (and those lived with us) human-like also, were they humans or not, in fact it is said in 6:133 that we have been raised from "posterity of other people". Koran only mentions Adam as first VICEGERENT on earth, there is no denying that same kind of species could exist on other planets, or that other kinds of earlier human-like species were created earlier on earth (who were not "vicegerent", maybe because they were unable to be it due lack of some properties like higher intelligent): 17:99 "See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, is able to create the like of them. And He has decreed for them an appointed term, whereof there is no doubt. But the unjust refuse but disbelief." Neanderthaal-human disappeared suddenly from Europe when humans came (Neanderthaals=Romans=christians?). Koran even have parts where is given information about past and still on going evolution, creation of Allah, that is not finished yet according to Koran (that we can see ourselves by science): 29:19-20 "See they not how Allah originates the creation, THEN REPEATS IT. Verily, that is easy for Allah. Say (Muhammed): �Travel in the land and see how Allah originated the creation: SO WILL ALLAH PRODUCE A LATER CREATION: for Allah has power over all things." 24:45 "Allah has created every animal from WATER: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. Allah CREATES WHAT HE WILLS; for verily Allah is able to do all things." 25:5 4 "It is He Who has created man (/mankind) from WATER: then has He established relationship of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things)." 76:1 "Has there not been over man (/mankind) a long period of time, when he was nothing (even) mentioned?" (2) SCIENCE AND KORAN: (Remember, all this is eventually interpretation, Allah knows best) In western (christian) societys has been long war between science and religion. This same battle has not affected Islamic world, because science is viewed to be able only to tell about how Allah created world, and what meanings shorter descriptions in Koran had. And science explains Koran well, Koran is full of miraclious, modern science confirmed knowledge. And Koran has not changed in test of time, it has been made sure by fact that thousands and millions of muslims from time of profet until now have memorized Koran with 100% accuracy even from part of its sound, rythm, melody and dialect (of arabics, even breathing techniques) as Muhammed said it, so any changes would have been noticed right away widely and we would now know about bloody revolts after that (and spread of Islam and muslims were so dramatic that there was no way to change all Korans without original text surviving it). Allah promises in the Koran that He makes remembering Koran easy, and it has been proved by numerous muslims. Shortly after death of profet Koran were added vocal signs for pronauncing Koran exactly like Muhammed did, because arabs spread from Arabia to wide area very fast and their dialect started to change. First editions of this first official Koran are still with us in Istanbul and Taskent (resitation of Muhammed were stored originally for example in animal skins, stonetables and by memorization as arabs had long traditions for that), and Koran (in arabics) is even now exactly same everywhere in the world. In the Bible "forbidden tree" of Paradise was seen as tree of knowledge, so Europe fought for centuries should knowledge coming from muslims be approvable, when backwards Arabs started to flourish in culture, trade and science after accepting Islam. Koran is not book of naturalscience, but still it has over 750 places which have connection for different scientific phenomenon. Koran and hadiths of prophet advices (both womans and man) to education and learning, searching (world of Allah), studies (in school) and teaching others, according to Islam everything, including culture and religion (of your childrens), is based on "brainwashing"=education. So Islam and Muslims saved science, learning and freedom (of academics f.ex., muslims were first to separate "state and church" when caliphs were given power in earthly matters only, and religious power to scholars) after Europeans abandoned it and heretage of ancient Greece, and practically all we have now is because of muslims, even renessance started after Europe began to be intressed from ancient heretage and learn about it trough (stored by muslims in) arabic writings from areas of Sicily and Spain (where muslims were greeted as liberators from dictatorial church, and then later expelled). ASTRONOMY: (Allah knows best) Let us start with age of universum in Koran: 22:47 "And surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you number." Meaning that a Day with Allah is 1000 years for us in our reckoning in relation with the revolution of the Moon around the Earth ( it is the Hegire year) or the revolution of the Earth around the Sun ( Gregorian year). 70:4 "To Him ascend the Angels and the Spirit in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years." In this verse of the Sura 'The way of Ascent' ( it is the Way which take the Angels from the Earth to the Heaven after having excecuted the duties necessary for the Life of our Planet and the Kosmos). We can note that Allah doesn't say "fifty thousand years of what you number" because the day in question in this verse is a time measure of a Gods day ( which each day is 1000 years in our reckoning ) and this day is the age of the Universe which all events of our life from heaven to earth ascend to Him. Let's convert these God's Years in our norms : 50,000 * 365.2422 (days in human year) = 18,262,110 Allah's Days. One Day by Allah is corresponding 1000 years of our reckoning, therefore the Age of the Universe is : 18,262,110 * 1,000 = 18,262,110,000 years, that's to say that the age of the Universe is around 18, 1/4 Billions years. This number correspond exactly of the above article . After more than 14 centuries, Science and particularly Professor Jean-Claude Batelere of the "College de France" states that it is now a certitude that the Universe is 18 billions years old. Calculated with moon-year it is less. Note that others secrets are hidden in these two verses, and note this is only interpretation, not statement of Allah. 21:30 "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece (/as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder (/then We parted them)? We made from water every living thing, Will they not then believe?" This passage not only just describe "Big Bang" (common origin of earth and heaven) and beginning of evolution from water (as He said that He created us from soil of the earth, from which our food, semen and growth is, that soil has formed from animals and plants originated from water), also "heavenS" (notice, many heavens) and earth can be seen as beeing said to be separately "joined together", and continental-plates have parted from Pangaia-continent (last time) for example (we can see it in continents fitting together like in a puzzle). According to latest theory "Big Bang" was created from crash of (out of our known borders) two other "embryonic" stage seeds of heavens, which came together and then formed two (or more) universums/dimensions (or two or more on different/same "levels", according to Koran stars are in lowest heaven, in other universums like ours). Heavens were together also as stars (fog), and as meteors. Interesting is also part that told about creation of "all living things from water", because elsewhere in the Koran (36:36, 43:12, 51:49) Allah says He created EVERYTHING (means also other than living) as "pairs", I think it is telling about pair-like structure of an atom, and matter/antimatter kind of double standards. �Everything living from water� may be one of those direct messages for Muhammed and people of his time (�unbelievers� mentioned), meaning everything living that they can see on earth (�earth� was mentioned), as we now know that all living in this planet has come from water (life on other planets may be different thing, as we did not have to know about it back then). Koran is at the same time revelation partly for people (and Muhammed especially) of that time, also scientifically correct for people until this day, and all between. All of Koran is not mainly for people of this time, as many advices were given conserning only situation of that time (as for example fighting against arab-pagans), but it still consideres us also through knowing and understanding history. But if not speaking only about earth, it is propably that this same evolution is happening also in other planets, not just on earth as described here: (3) 3:59 "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was." �16:40 For to anything which We have willed, We but say the word, `Be�, and it is.� If Jesus was created by "Be" to womb of her mother (possibly using seed made by Allah, as by some mechanism from some state Jesus grow in it normally as others), then could be that Adam had mother (from earlier "human"-species/other planet)? �Similitude� can only mean that, as Allah has created everything else also by word �Be�, so only reason for mentioning it can only be evolution really, in fact 38:72 says that when Allah created Adam He �breathed� His spirit into him (notice that according 2:34 immediate command to bow down after that happened only after Adam was told name of things, so maybe his spirit was created before he came to earth, explaining how according to Bible Jesus said he was before Aabraham was on earth) , which can be seen as one thing making difference between modern humans and earlier humans/animals, maybe it is mostly capability to believe in Allah that was given to first modern human coming from womb of earlier human (leap of evolution). In fact it is said that we have been "raised from posterity of other people" in 6:133. These words combined with parts saying that man was created from both "WATER" (25:54, through evolution starting from water, also animals are created from water in 24:45) and "GROUND" of the earth (23:12, through that all we are has grown from what we eat, that has its origin in the ground even through animals eating from there, even our/other animals sperm, in fact it can not mean anything else, as 37:11 is speaking about all humans created from clay in general level, not just about Adam), will tell about evolution, how Allah created us, otherwise it would contradict each others (water/clay/womb?) and science. This is not how scholars have fit these parts together, and this theory will be refused by many, but while muslims gave the utmost respect for those individuals, we do not consider them to be free from error. They were human beings and did not have the scientific knowledge to understand the Quran correctly and so used whatever theories were around at that time to interpret the Quran. Now that we know they were wrong, we can safely reject their interpretations and use the scientific knowledge at our disposal to interpret the Quran. Actually they were not wrong as according to hadith they said that Allah "shaped with His hands" humans from BOTH water and ground, as we truly have been shaped from fish to reptile, then from four legs to two legs, etc. The Quran�s claim to being a perfect revelation is not in the least affected by imperfect interpretations of it by mortal human beings, varying different times as knowledge increases. Once even sun was thought to travel around earth, but now we know that sun travels around center of our galaxy, from where this "travelling/swimming/floating" in Koran is. We also have to remember that when in hadits or in Koran is said that Allah "shaped" us from these earlier mentioned elements, it can not be taken too literally as many other parts in Koran neither (which was understood by everyone in those times even), but as describing creation powers of Allah, as "sent down water from the skyes" hints for the clouds (tools for Allah�s actions), not into space. Although "created from ground of the earth" probably means that we are what we eat, it can also be fitted into other part of evolution (which would still not contradict with creation from water, as it had important part in beginning of life and life rising from there to earth): Clay's matchmaking could have sparked life 19:00 23 October 2003, NewScientist.com news service, Philip Cohen: Two of the crucial components for the origin of life - genetic material and cell membranes - could have been introduced to one another by a lump of clay, new experiments have shown. The study of montmorillonite clay, by Martin Hanczyc, Shelly Fujikawa and Jack Szostak at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, revealed it can sharply accelerate the formation of membranous fluid-filled sacs. 17:49-52 "They say: "What! when we are reduced to bones and dust, should we really be raised up (to be) a new creation?". Say: "(Nay!) be ye ROCKS or IRON, "Or created matter which, in your minds, is hardest (to be raised up),- (Yet shall ye be raised up)!" then will they say: "Who will cause us to return?" Say: "He who created you first!" Then will they wag their heads towards thee, and say, "When will that be?" Say, "May be it will be quite soon! "It will be on a Day when He will call you, and ye will answer (His call) with (words of) His praise, and ye will think that ye tarried but a little while!" We all know what kind of rocks fossiles are, but also iron is our future, all our atoms will turn to iron in long time. Both earth and heavens had their own six periods ("days") of creation, here is phases for creation of the heavens (in parts below explaining how you can notice this difference in Koran): This was one possible meaning for these six "days"/"periods of time" in creation of universum: 1."Big Bang", 2.Hydro- and helium-atoms core/centre forming couple of minutes after it , 3. 300 000 years from Big Bang Hydro- and helium-atoms formed comletely and backround radiation is formed, 4. First stars and galaxies are formed, building blocks for universum from stars exploiding, 5. Our Milky Way-galaxy is born, and so building blocks for our sun system, 6. Our sun system is born and our planet is "brought together" from meteors finally. Here is spoken about creation of earth in six "days", later about (earlier) creation of heavens: 41:9-10"Say (Muhammed): Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance)." He gave us blessing even this point, continental-plates and with them beginning of evolution on mountains, although even before that there were higher formations on earth. At that early stage mountains may have not be yet so "high above ground" as now, but as soon as those started to develope it was beginning of it, leading into it, and still more higher than other parts of earth. So " set high above" may be later time than this two "days"/periods from creation of earth (maybe it has been last four days or all six, still going on), because when Allah will "set" something to happen, it is, has been and will be, Allah has known always He will do it (and that is answer for those "who ask"). Miracle of Koran proving it is not from man is that Allah does not say that sun will set to west and rise from east, as it does not do so in north at summer, it sets and rises more closer to north than west/east. He only says that He is lord of east and west. Only Abraham is said to have spoken in arguement (2:258) that "But it is Allah that causeth the sun to rise from the east: Do thou then cause him to rise from the West.", wich might prove that profets are not all-knowing, which is proven by two different statements by Allah and Moses in 55:17 and 26:28, as Moses spoke only about one east and west, and Allah about two of both (think about earth divided by lines on both sides, both line has own west/east) (4) Above here is spoken about six different "day" of creation (of earth) than in these two "days" below. So here is about creation of heavens (in these verses about our galaxy and sun-system, happening partly same time with formation of earth): 41:11-12 "Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) SMOKE (/hot gas, "Dukhaan"): He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye TOGETHER, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience." So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge." These two "days" (periods) above are fifferent from ayats 9-10, obviously last two "days" in ayat 11. ("smoke"= 5.formation of our milky way-galaxy, "come ye together"= 6.birth of our sun system from our galaxy). "To it and to earth" may also mean both separately or both coming together, or then both, as in heavens/earth (in pieces of meteors) forming from gas "smoke"), an then in meteor-bombing of earth. As we know, starfogs forming galaxies especially in the early stages of universum (more recently our own galaxy and its star-system of sun, which both "sky" could be here) have been plenty of looking like smoke filling the space before higher amount of stars and planets, and look like smoke even now (in more younger systems). "Dukhaan" (arabic) in Koran means smoke/HOT gas. These "circles of clouds" formed for example planets, so "sky" did come "together" WITH ITSELF. Matter of Earth has been born from stardust before our star developed, and so it is originated from explosions of earlier stars and their "smoke/gas", also more harder rocks and dust were brought "together" to form the earth, formed from gas ("smoke") coming together. Moon of earth were born from collision of Earth and planet size of Mars, so "sky" (our galaxy and star-system) and Earth BOTH coming together most likely means that (and bombardment of asteroids). If beduin back then realized that earth and sky have same origin, it is BIG miracle itself. Later Earth came "together" ALSO WITH ITSELF when it cooled down and were devided into different layors, and when continents formed super-continents. Think that in these "AND" word will split the sentence, like dot, and you see that both earth and heavens, and all between them (=heavens), each had their own six days of creation: 50:38 "We created the heavens and the earth -----------------and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us." 57:4 "He it is Who created the heavens -----------------------------and the earth in Six Days, and is moreover firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). He knows what enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah sees well all that ye do." 32:4 "It is Allah Who has created the heavens -------------------------and the earth, and all between them, in six Days, and is firmly established on the Throne (of Authority): ye have none, besides Him, to protect or intercede (for you): will ye not then receive admonition?" 10:3 "Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens ----------------------and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority), regulating and governing all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave (hath been obtained). This is Allah your Lord; Him therefore serve ye: will ye not receive admonition?" 25:59 "He Who created the heavens and the earth -----------------------------and all that is between, in six days, and is firmly established on the Throne (of Authority): Allah Most Gracious: ask thou, then, about Him of any acquainted (with such things)." 11:7 "He it is Who created the heavens ---------------------------------and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. But if thou wert to say to them, "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death", the Unbelievers would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious sorcery!" 7:54 "Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens -----------------------------------and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!" In Koran Allah says that He created heavens and earth each in 6 PERIODS OF TIME (6 "days" can be even seen as false translation, it speaks about unknown periods of time which is commonly seen as days), with a differense compared to Bible that "all that is between" and "no weariness", He did not sleep/relax. "Day" could be understood as "God time", before sun or planets. Relativity of time (according to A.Einsteins theory of relativity) can be seen in Koran at least in 32:5, 22:47, 70:4, 17:52, 10:45 and 23:112-114, in some circumstances/situations one of our days is described to be (for Allah) like for example "1000/50 000 years", one place where it is told to be like this (that time is relatively and for us might feel that we were on earth "day or part of of a day", 23:112-113) is the end of all, Judgement. For example big gravity slows down time beyond our understanding, people on the planet near black hole might seem for us not moving at all, but they live normal time. (5) 6:125 "Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe. This is about painful pressure in avoid of space. 21:32 "We builded the heaven maintained and protective roof; yet they turn away from its signs." As we know, our athmosphere protects us for example from meteors/space. Could be otherwise, Mars lost its athmosphere. Our universum protects us from hostile emptyness around it, if this means it. 76:1 "Has there not been over man (/mankind) a long period of time, when he was nothing -(not even) mentioned-?" (Earliest) Human-like have been on this universum less than 6 seconds from "24 hours" of age of universum, modern humans less. 65:12 "It is Allah Who created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof (i.e. seven). His command descents between them (heavens and earth), that you may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah surrounds all things in His knowledge." Now we know that our athmosphere has seven layers ("..earth the like thereof", for example stratosphere), but here (and from other parts talking about 7 heavens) you can possibly undestand that universum/universums (and their dimensions) have also 7 different layers/dimensions. First layer of heaven could be (night) sky seen by us (and either milkyway, our whole universum or even several universums in same "dimension level"), because when seen from space, it does not look like the earth would have any athmosphere ("heaven") between it and space. "7 heavens" can also be translated (at least in 23:17) also as "7 paths/tracks". 51:47 "With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, we are able to extend the vastness of space thereof." Here is spoken about "heaven" in single form, obviously from our own universum. As we know, our universum is expanding still. According to Koran Allah will also roll up heaven in the end of all (21:104, 69:16, can mean collapsion, or expanding to emptyness and black holes, and Allah says there that He will "repeat creation" as He "began the first creation"). Maybe mankind has time up until then. 79:30-31 "And the earth, moreover, hath He formed in round shape (/egg shape, "dahaha", round like the ostrich's egg with flat sand around covering the egg from predators). He draweth out therefrom its water ("ma-aha") and its pasture." 79:31 Says either that water was draweth from earth creating pasturage for animals (that use pasturage) like dinosaurs (as it does from under surface, after rains/near oceans or rivers for example), or that land (=pasturage) was draweth from water along with water. Later would be case if earth was very "flat" after meteor bombings and forming of oceans (from water in meteors), and so covered by oceans before land started to rise through usual "easing up" after high compressing pressure (from meteors/molten planet/water) and formation of continental plates (colliding together, lifting ground). Sea level has also been 600 meters higher 450 million years ago, and water has came from pieces of earth (pasturage), meteors/comets. Result from continental plates, only continent of Pangaeia and it stretching to pieces, as dry paint stretches in balloon getting bigger, is mentioned on next places (remember that Suras in Koran are not in order as given, Sura 96 was given first), forming of mountains is mentioned in each after these: 80:26 "And We split the earth in fragments (/cleaving it asunder/clefts)," This told us that earth has been once as one continent, but has been devided with continental plates as in many parts. It is connected into next part: 13:3 "...spread out the earth (/expand the earth, "madda al-ard")..." 15:19 "...the earth we have spread out (like a carpet, "maddadnaha"= "We expanded" or "We spread out"-"madda", which means "to stretch" or to "to expand" or "to spread out".)..." 20:53 "...like a carpet spread out (="mahda" literally means a flat road, or a road that is easy to walk on. It is similar to our highways today. They are easy to drive on.)..." 88:17-20 "....stretched the earth ("sutihat", streched)..." Here is demonstrated motion of the earth in space: 77:25 "Have We not made the earth a fast moving object ("kifaata", like bird/horse whose traveller can not control it) with den of storage?" 55:10 "And the earth, is a running object ("wada�aha", like running camel or man) for the creatures" 78:6-7 "Have We not made the earth as a cradle ("mihaada", as cradle in motion) and the mountains like pegs?" 101:4 "It is a day where on mankind will be like moths ("farash") scattered about." 2:22 "Who has made the earth flying ("farsh", like flying insect / also couch), ..." Earth is like running object/ cradle/ a flying insect which is proving motion of the earth. (6) 80:26 above is connected into next part: 27:88 "And you see the mountains, you think them to be solid, and they shall pass away as the passing away of the cloud-- the handiwork of Allah Who has made every thing thoroughly; surely He is Aware of what you do." Here is told many things: how mountains move with continental plates ("passing away", and actually clouds do not move but by movement of the earth as clouds are pushed by wind forward, which is affected by rotation of the earth creating winds, so mountains move because inner core of the earth is molten, which is also depended on rotation of the earth), and how mountains will eventually vanish from our sight (to ground level) by erosion as clouds will pass ("pass away") beyond horizon. We have mountains because our planet is not old enough, in billion years it might seem very different. Very interesting in this part is this: 15:19 "And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance." Although "immovable" is interpretuation of translater, this part can be understood in such way. If someone think that this is just writings of ordinary man, why would this man put so much contradiction between these two parts (anyway no "contradiction" if 27:88 is understood only as telling only about erosion, but man from 7th century were not able to know that and would have ment movement of clouds), as he surely were able to keep other contradictions away? Answer is simple, mountains does not move but earth under them is moving, confirming 27:88. It can also hint for movement of earth in space, mountains moving along with it. 78:19 "And the heavens shall be opened as if there were doors," In the end universum will be full of black holes. This can also hint for wormholes. 70:8 "On the day when the heaven shall be as molten copper" This could describe situation near (any habitated) planet when star near it is dying, perhaps in expansion period. 31:10 "He has created the heavens without any pillars that you can see..." Kora n gives a hint (or says NO to it all) that heaven could have "pillars" (which you can not see if there is not any). Science has noticed that space is full of gravitation-disorders, kind of small dots which form wide network of gravitation-behavior what may keep our universum from collapsin. And if some object goes in space certain distance to one direction, then goes same distance to another direction, mass of object stays the same when going to different directions. That is because this object has its own gravity-point, where from pressure to all directions is same. Without this property whole university would collapse. Koran mentions quality of universum: 50:6 "Do they not look at the sky above them? How We have adorned it, and there are no flaws in it? " Small looking things keep our universum not collapsing or turning to total chaos, small change in Earth orbit would freeze or fry us. Usually in other star-systems big gas-planets have moved closer to sun, and have swallowed small rock-planets. We have got as close to borders of our universum as we can, but beyond certain limits we are not able to see simply because there are not (yet born) anything that could send us any information. Only youngest stars cover sky in its limits, rest in our knowledge is guessing (expanding, birth of stars). We can only imagine what is near or beyond border, can it be crossed? 67:3-5 "He Who created the seven heavens one above another: no want of proportion wilt thou see in the creation of The Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw? Again turn thy vision a second time:(thy) vision will come back to thee dull (/tired) and discomfited, in a state worn out. And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest (/nearest) heaven with lamps, and We have made such (lamps) (as) missiles to drive away satans, and have prepared for them the chastisement of the blazing fire." "One above another" could mean both closely and distant fom each others. Vision coming "back" could mean theory that if universum is roundly shaped, light would come back to place where it left (like our eyes) faded ("worn out"). Could "nearest heaven" mean our whole universum or just our own "Milky Way"-galaxy, that can be seen as a belt at night? Could "lowest" mean furthest border in our universum? Rest we will maybe understand more clearly later (ins Allah), there is lots of options what "Dzin�s" mean in Koran exactly, but we can not know even if "thin" area would be area of "forces of evil", as stronger good "central powers" (allied creations) drive them further away from older centrum in expanding space, to areas of new-born stars (lambs) wich make navigation difficult, moving with unstability (with out certain permanent, for any but God to know, course) very fast accross space like "missiles"? Biggest miracle here is that Allah uses word "lamp" to describe (for our eyes) small (further) stars, but in other places calls those stars for example "constellation" (25:61) and simply "stars", but with them also in same place says our own sun as a "lamp". So Allah made clear that stars are also same kind of "lamps" like our own sun, only further away. 69:17 �And the angels will be on its (heavens) sides, and eight will, that Day, bear the Throne of thy Lord above them.� This might be meaning that our universum or other heavens (universums/levels/dimensions) above it might have eight corners, as square or as rectangle, or even as a saddle (as some research now suggest) (7) 57:25 "We sent down iron, in which is great might, as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help..." Rocks containing iron bombarded ("sent down") our planet, that gave its final form. Iron has come instrument of war, but also important for development after industrialization, as one benefit for mankind. 6:65 "Say:�He has power to send tornment on you from above or from under your feet, or to cover you with confusion in party strife, and make you to taste the violence of one another.` See how variously We explain the signs in diverse ways; that they may understand." This part remainds mostly from meteors and floods (above), plus earthquaqes and volcano erruptions (below). Also wars are too common. Beduiin from seminomadic-desert population (with not much wars by strict tribe-hierarchy)? Humankind brought (after their death) to judgement are descriped (in hadith of prophet) to have sun "close" to them, describing sounds same as predictions about our sun as a "red giant" (before it swallows the Earth), but it is impossible to know if it happens in this planet, world (/dimension) /time as we humans understand them. For gravity affects time, but it does not affect Allah. 25:61 "Blessed be He Who has placed in the heaven big stars (constellations/star mansions/star groups), and placed therein a great lamp and a moon reflecting (/giving) light." When Bible talks about sun and moon as two different light giving object of sky, Koran does difference between them using different descriptions: Light (nur), when talking about moon, and torch (siraj), when talking about sun. First one is dead rock that reflects shine of light, second one is formation of heaven, with lots of fuel to burn (like in a torch) in a constant state of burning giving both heat and light (like a torch). Word "star" (najm) is completed by other word, that describes star as burning and moon (reflecting light) when its (stars) light forces its way through shadows of night: this word is "thaqib". Moon is not said to produce light, only reflecting it. Same way Islam can only reflect small proportion of shine from light of Allah, not all in any case. In Koran "kawbab" seems to mean definitely planets, that are formations of heaven wich reflect light and does not produce light like stars. Now we know how structure of heaven is balanced by ordered orbit of stars and stability in (changes of) gravity, which are connected to their mass and speed of own movement. But isn�t this just what Koran describes when mentioning this basics for this balance of heaven in 21:33 with words, that were undestand not before our time: 21:33 "It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: all (celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course (/each in an orbit floating)." 55:5 "The sun and the moon run on their fixed courses (exactly) calculated with measured out stages for each (for reckoning). As we now know, sun goes around centrum of our galaxy. Koran uses (for example 36:40) words "swim" and "floating", that sounds familiar with theory of space and time, how gravity affects in it by making a "hole" size of mass of celestial object (f.ex. sun), and how this "hole" in space-time field makes other bodies orbiting it to stay on their courses (bigger mass=bigger hole= more further away others have to be on "lower steps", so that too deep downhill in gravity will not swallow it, if too close). When in Europe they "knew" that sun is orbitting earth, this description could have been accepted even through their "science" (37:5 mentions "points of sun�s risings", 365, one for each day). 36:38 "And the sun runs unto a resting place (/runs on its fixed course for a term appointed), for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in might, the All-Knowing." 81:1-2 "When the sun (with its spacious light) is folded up (/sun is wound round and its light is lost and overthrown); when the stars fall, losing their lustre;" 82:1-2 "When the sky is cleft asunder; when the stars are scattered;" Kora n says that sun travels place appointed to it in time appointed, and also mentions "wrapping up" (like scroll of papyrus) of everything (f.ex. 82:1-2) in the end of all (sun is wrapped before?), could these describe (sun) going to black hole? Theory is that universum either collapses, or it will get wider until it becomes empty, full of black holes swallowing everything. Prophet Muhammed said in hadith that "the sun and moon will be folded up (or joined together or deprived of their lights) on the Day of Resurrection". 39:5 "He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night" Kora n uses same verb to describe changes of day and night as is used in arabic for rolling turban around head, when sheets goes over and over around. This should make impression about round earth, because our heads are also. Ibn Tamiyah said 1328 AC all "celestial bodies" are round, because in 21:33 (for example) word "falak" is means spinning wheel (floating in orbit), also used as describeing young girls breasts. 7:54 "..He draweth the night as veil over the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession.." Chan ge of night and day, and those beeing on opposite sides of the earth, gives impression about beeing "hidden" and "seeking" of others continually. Darkness of night really looks like veil covered when looking from space. 3:94 "Had Allah wished to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible. " Most interesting thing in Astronomy is: Are there other intelligent life-forms in space. It is BIG space, is it waste of space? This part of Koran seems to give certain answer to it, here Allah directly ask that why should he take son from humans, because there are much more developed and intelligent life-forms (whom He is more pleased than to us) that He has created, if He wanted (to consive) a son? What could beduiin mean with that 1400 year ago? Camel? Dog? Apes thousands kilometers away? (8) OTHER FORMS OF INTELLIGENT LIFE? (Allah knows best) 4:133 "If it were His will, He could destroy you, o mankind, and create another race; for He hath power this to do." 17:99 "See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the Earth, has power to create the like of them? And He has decreed for them an appointed term, whereof there is no doubt. But the unjust refuse but disbelief." According to Islam humans are not "image of God" like Bible teaches us. In the beginning (1:2) Koran says "Praise be to Allah, the cherisher and sustainer of the WORLDS". In Koran Allah has created us and "(other) things of which you have no knowledge" (16:8). Humans are not said to be created first, before us Allah created "Jinns", which sound like other species in space: 55:15-16 "And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke: Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?" 72:6-12 "(Jinns said:) �True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the jinns, but they increased them into further error. And they (came to) think as ye thought, that Allah would not raise up any one (to judgement). And we pried into the (secrets of) heaven (/we have sought to reach the heaven); but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. We used, indeed, to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush. And we understand not whether evil is intended to THOSE ON EARTH, on whether their Lord (really) intends to guide them to right conduct. There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths. But we think that we can by no means frustrate Allah throughout the earth, not can we ESCAPE Him BY FLIGHT.` " Jinns are told to be created from "fire without smoke" before humans. When you think where fire does not have any smoke, it is in space without any oxygen. There is huge "torches" (of Koran), stars that are in constant state of burning and fire. When first stars exploided, all material for planets and even for us were born, so would not any possible alien-species be also from the stars? Jinns have been traditionally understanded as "spirits" or "ghosts", but from their descriptioning we have a hint from other more developed civilizations, which have for example capability to fly, to travel with developed ways (even among us unnoticed, f.ex. invisible or as a human/animals according to hadiths). Jinns are even told to have been sitting on borders of heaven (universum) seeking way to get ("hear"=search for information, with radiowawes?) pass it, but noticed that it can not be done. If there is nothing behind border, where to cross it? What kind of natural phenomenous there could be close the border of heavens, universum and dimensions, where we can not get any information yet? "Guards" and "flames" (meteors and electric flows? Other dangerous flame-like phenomenous? New-born or dead stars wondering in high speed without orbit around galaxy?) So does Jinns mean aliens, both the spirits and alien-creatures, or are spirits in fact alien-creatures? According to Koran satan (Iblis) was originally a "Jinn", who was promoted to an angel (and began rebellious, knowledge brings responsibility), even that points to a very long life and developement with an invidual/species that finally got "promoted" clearly above his own level in "mega-evolution". In Koran (21:30) Allah said that He created �everything living� from water, but it may be only about species on earth (as aya says �didn�t UNBELIEVERS know..� and "earth"), everything else can be classified as �jinns� who were created from (�fire without smoke�) stars long before possible evolution from water (or from other elements, as material for the planet came from the stars). It is only interpretation that �good and bad� jinns means that there is also muslims and other religions (like christians) among them, they might have their very own understanding, mission and judgement, as obedient angels do (who were created from light, so satan was clearly only jinn promoted to an angel, allthough there is possibility that all or some other jinns were already originally created to be fallen angels and so from "fire without smoke"). 14:19-20 "Do you not see that Allah has created the heavens and the earth with truth? If He wills, He can remove you and bring (in your place) a new creation! And for Allah that is not hard or difficult." 42:29 "And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures He has scattered through them: And He has power to gather them (heavens & earth / creatures) together when He wills." We are young species, and with all probability there is lot more older species (intelligent creatures) than us, eventhough habitable planets would be even more rare than we think, it is VERY BIG space. These creatures also act (knowingly/unknowingly/accidentally) according to will of Allah (even used as tools or instruments by Him), that has been defined when the rules of nature have been decided and created. Rules of nature by Allah dictate also everything happening here, even us, because it has made us what we are. And Allah can also put humans and other species to meet when He wills. He can also create through us new species as robots, which could be also uderstand as �jinns� (metal on them is created in fire). It would still be creation of Allah, as He created us and ordained all that we will do: 6:101 "To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things." "Primal origin of creation" is that even if man or jinns would create even planets, Allah is real creator behind it, as He created them before it to do so. 55:33 "O ye assembly of jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! Not without authority (/permission) shall ye be able to pass!" Here is also hint that "jinns" have been able for space-travel before humans. Fact is, that if we will not get to other planets soon, we will be extinct species sooner or later. If we are able to pass athmosphere of our planet or border of universum, then we have had permission for it. For muslims living in space would be easier, pilgrimage to Mecca is not neccessary if there is no change for it, and in prayer it is possible to bow in any direction when no certainty about direction of Mecca. One great evidence behalf of Koran is that it does not declare that each and everyone of us is going to die on earth, in this planet, but will leave it open that are we going to travel on other planets as we now see might be possible someday, although Koran speaks generally (many times as quotes of other than Allah) about humans living/who lived here and about general life in here, which will not lose its meaning even for generations possibly on other planets as home of mankind. Mars could be easily and quickly habitated by giant domes build on lopes of mountains, where circulation of water (brought by pipes from northern polar cap) would go from lake/sea in the bottom of dome to upper hills of mountain, raining down (even as snow up enough) and forming rivers coming back to lake/sea under it. But destruction of Columbia-shuttle (with for example former fighter pilot of Israel, who were leading attack on Irak nuclear-facility in 1981) in 1.2.2003 has its own message, as war on Irak were already decided on that time, it urges mankind to do more co-operation on space-programs, and reserve of now 1,5-1,7 billion muslims is far too large to be wasted. Still muslim dominated Kazakstan were country where human first time got to space. (9) 6:100 "Yet they make the Jinns equals with Allah, though Allah did create the Jinns; and they falsely, having no knowledge, attribute to Him sons and daughters. Praise and glory be to Him! (for He is) above what they attribute to Him!" In Koran is already answer for beliefs that other species from space would be responsible for religions (hindus and christians? WHY??) and birth of humans (proved by evolution, would have been VERY slow unneccessary process for other than God). 72:11,13-15 "There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths.".."And as for us, since we have listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it: and any who believes in his Lord has no fear, either of a short (account) or of any injustice. Amongst us are some that submit their wills (to Allah), and some that swerve from justice. Now those who submit their wills - they have sought out (the path) of right conduct: But those who swerve,- they are (but) fuel for Hell-fire�-" 6:130 "O ye assembly of Jinns and men! came there not unto you messengers from amongst you, setting forth unto you My signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say: "We bear witness against ourselves." It was the life of this world that deceived them. So against themselves will they bear witness that they rejected Faith." So there are those who reject fate brought to them on jinns (by their own prophets?), and those who have accepted it. If they are moving around universum, message can be brought for them even for another planet to find. Allah only knows, arabic words on Koran could have also another meaning on some other language, maybe that is why Allah said that we will never understand all from Koran. Maybe that is reason if aliens are "studying" us as claimed by some. That would ensure also that Koran will not vanish, even if mankind would, memorization of Koran might not be limited for mankind, it can be travelling with telepatic skills, at least Koran is travelling on radiotransmissions by humans in space, and we were raised from neanderthaal-humans : 6:133 "Thy Lord is self-sufficient, full of Mercy: if it were His will, He could destroy you, and in your place appoint whom He will as your successors, even as He raised you up from the posterity of other people." 7:19,24-25 "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as ye wish: but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."... "(Allah) said: "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time.". He said: "Therein shall ye live, and therein shall ye die; but from it shall ye be taken out (at last)." Here is one of the great miracles in Koran. Only Adam and Hawwa (Eve) is said to die on earth, but NO ONE ELSE OR MANKIND IS NOT SAID DIRECTLY TO DIE ON EARTH, although it could have appeared certain for people living long time ago. Of course, Koran is words of Allah mostly for Muhammed and people of his time (fitting also with people after that through understanding of that time), so even interpretations of such that humans would die on earth will fit without problems. Descriptions about earth and mankind in it (in other parts) is almost like from travelling advertisement, description about life and living (and dying) on earth on early days of mankind, as these years on earth will not certainly lose importance even on distant future on far away planets as a birthplace of mankind. This is comfirmed here: 31:034 "Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: NOR DOES ANY ONE KNOW IN WHAT LAND HE IS TO DIE. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things)." We can always try to guess where we are gonna die, but no certain knowledge we have from it. Even if some would decide not to move from his country anywhere untill he dies, he can not know if aliens from space or other humans are gonna come to get him, for certain. Here is some earlier mentioned descriptions about earth as in "travelling advertisement" (for interplanetary travelling): 57:4 ".........He knows what enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah sees well all that ye do." 40:64 "It is Allah Who has made for you the earth as a resting place, and the sky as a canopy, and has given you shape- and made your shapes beautiful,- and has provided for you Sustenance, of things pure and good;- such is Allah your Lord. So Glory to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!" 67:15 "It is He Who has made the earth manageable for you, so traverse ye through its tracts and enjoy of the Sustenance which He furnishes: but unto Him is the Resurrection." 14:48 "One day the earth will be changed to a different earth, and so will be the heavens, and (men) will be marshalled forth, before Allah, the One, the Irresistible;" Although this part told most likely about Judgement Day (different than judgement, before it and we can not know time scale), it could also hint for living on other planets (where even constallations of stars look different on heavens), maybe it is reality on this judgement day when all people (except "people without knowledge", young and mentally limited) are required for accepting Islam (when Islam and Koran is so spread that no other member of other religions can not avoid it, and when Koran has been proven totally accurate on all ways as said on 41:53 "Soon will We show them our Signs in the [furthest] regions [of the earth], and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"). This "marshalled forth" can be happening on long time scale as people and planets die and pass away, untill all is finished and they finally get their punishment or reward they have been waiting (on their graves), descriptions about judgement and punishments are only after this part, so this could be early part of the "day". 14:43 "They running forward with necks outstretched, their heads uplifted, their gaze returning not towards them, and their hearts a (gaping) void!" Yes, this is earlier than 14:48, but there is clear distinction and cap between them as Allah is for example speaking about messengers in couple of parts. So this could also describe both judgement or that "Day" (14:42) before it. Some scientists believe that humans evolution will eventually lead us with body similar as space-aliens are described to have, big head with long neck and thin foots and arms, also genetic engineering will be very likely (maybe destroying religious part from our brains, causing this "void in hearts"). On that judgement they as well might have same long neck, and "heart full of emptyness" as going to be judged (or when brains are just too big not to even care about Allah). So this part also may have dual meanings. Warnings of risks might well carry on, along describeing judgement: 4:47 "O ye People of the Book! believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you, before We change the face and fame of some (of you) beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be carried out." This might be about Judgement. But who knows, maybe "aliens" visiting here are us from future, "beyond recognition".... (10) 27:65 "Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except Allah, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment)." Finally ending this section, here is possibly a question inside answer: 2:30 "Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not." Why "vicegerent" on earth? Koran only mentions Adam as first VICEGERENT on earth, there is no denying that same kind of human-like species could exist on other planets, or that other kinds of earlier human-like species were created earlier (who were not "vicegerent", maybe because they were unable to be it due lack of some properties like higher intelligent). How did angels know properties of man as Allah made Adam to teach to them all names of things in human-language, and angels said (2:32) they know nothing that Allah has not given them? For me it hints that human species (Adam) might not have started from earth, but from other planet(s) (with different language), as it is said also in other part (7:24) for Adam that "get ye down" (from paradise?). If that is the case (it might just be speaking unliterally or with descriptioning way, about expulsion from paradise-like state of mind and beeing on earth already, as earth and obviously paradise too is said to be created/opened again later elsewhere on Koran, and Koran has been with Allah even before Adam), and 3:59 "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: �Be�. And he was." has a meaning that as Jesus was from womb of woman and so was Adam (all parts of their semen eventually originating from organic materials from ground of any planet, "dust"), then Adam may have been (as genetically engineered to fit) implanted into womb of woman from earlier human species to speed up evolution by Allah (perhaps using as a tool some like angels or some other ways, as still Allah would be one to orchestrate and organize everything as creator of them and as allknowing and allmighty their actions too), as most likely also Jesus was implanted to his mother by Allah as a SEMEN, as all living things need to grow from somewhere (it does not matter was he created as semen or embryo). Notice, eventhough Allah would have created semen inside mother of Jesus, it would not make Allah as biological father of Jesus as christians almost claim Him to be. ------------- NEW VERSION, AND LOT MORE NEW (IN LINKS AND MAIN PAGE): http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=102 1115 "KINGDOM OF GOD", ISLAM: http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/islam |
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Date Posted: 25 August 2005 at 4:21am
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BODIES OF WATER: (Allah knows best) 55:19-20 "He has let free the two seas (/bodies of water) meeting together" 25:53 "It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: one palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition (that is not to be passed) (for water)." World as a whole has two kind of waters, salt water in oceans and sweet water fed by rain. When those meet (f.ex. at end of rivers Yangtse-Kiang, Amazon, Mississippi, Nile) they will not mix in amount of salt (even in tidal rivers with sea-water coming several kilometers up their estuaries at high tide, or fresh water of Amazon several kilometers from the coast), but are kept always (even by gravity) apart and distinct (even in difference of species of both). Also (even little) different kind of seas have this border, partition, where they meet with different amount of salt (like Atlantic Ocean and Mediterrean Ocean in Gibraltar Straits, or in Red Sea and Indian Ocean, and in Baltic Sea) and have uniq species of animals (and stability in amount of salt). 24:40 "Or (the unbelievers� state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with waves (/layers/billow) topped by waves (/layers/billow), topped by (dark) clouds: depths of (layers of) darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! For any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light!" 13:16 "..Are the blind equal with those who see? Or the depths of darkness equal with light?.." Darkness of seas is proggressive, you have to go very deep to notice reflection of light, but in depth of 200 meters is almost total darkness. This is because different layers (by temperature, current and salt) of waves locate on certain depths (without mixing, above another), reflecting light with different way each. Even layer of clouds above waves reflect light increasing darkness, to know this (especially on desert without much clouds) you had to know that light is in form of rays, particles, wich can reflect. And did beduiin from desert dive into ocean 200 meters deep? He did not know how to read, did he know how to swim? Did he ever went to beach from Arabian inlands even? 13:17 "He sends down water from the skies, and the channels flow, each according to its measure.." 39:21 "Seest thou not that Allah sends down rain from the sky, and leads it through springs in the earth? From where could have beduiin from desert know about cycle of water? How did he knew that rains create rivers and springs from the earth (with pressure from above), why he does not say that springs are created by water from underground/rivers/ocean? 31:27 "And if all the trees on earth were pens and the ocean (were ink), with seven oceans behind it to add to its (supply), yet would not the words of Allah be exhausted (in the writing): for Allah is Exalted in Power, full of Wisdom." This part does not exclude other oceans, only mentions seven of them. It can also be romantic-like phrase maybe from worldwiew of peole at that time, to get message through. Still we can notice seven larger bodies of water from oceans (word is same with sea), that are clearly limited by something. These are Pacific Ocean (Indonesia-America), Indian Ocean (southern Africa peninsula-Indonesia), Atlantic Ocean (America-Africa/Europe), Ice-Sea (Iceland/Greenland-beringinstraits), Mediterrean Sea (Gibraltarstraits-Bosborstraits in Istanbul), Black Sea (Bosborstraits), and Baltic Sea (Copenhagen). Ocean around Antarctis is part of Indian-, Atlantic- or Pacific Oceans, depending wich is north from location of part of it (because these are most biggest bodies of water, in south they do not need such straits to split them on different seas, only south-north line from southern capes of America, Africa and Australia). If Ice Sea is considered to be same sea with Atlantic-Ocean (because Iceland is not so clear border as beringinstraits is with Pacific Ocean and Ice Sea), then seventh sea would be Red Sea (different from Indian Ocean by straits between Africa and Yemen, highest salt-consentration from all seas). Caspian Sea is salt-lake, Persian Gulf is gulf (in Indian Ocean), and Caribean Sea is not really clearly limited by straits from Atlantic Ocean, only with small islands (that way Ice Sea have to be counted as same sea with Atlantic). (11) MOUNTAINS: (Allah knows best) 16:15 "And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and rivers and ways: that ye may guide yourselves." 78:7 "And the mountains as pegs" 79:32 "And the mountains had He firmly fixed." Koran in arabics gives more better describing word than "pegs", like pilars or hook of a tent. Shape of a mountain allways has bigger mass under ground (like icebergs under water), and shape of mass going kilometers underground is like mountains upside down pointing to centrum of earth. And where mountains are born, there continental plates are in collision, resulting as mountains forming between plates making collisions softer and reducing earthquakes (in numbers and richters) a lot. 18:47 "And the day on which We will cause the mountains to pass away and you will see the earth a levelled plain and We will gather them and leave not any one of them (mountains) behind." 27:88 "And you see the mountains, you think them to be solid, and they shall pass away as the passing away of the cloud-- the handiwork of Allah Who has made every thing thoroughly; surely He is Aware of what you do." We know that erosion will eventually level mountains to ground, our earth is still so young planet that it has not yet completely happened, in billion years it will look completely different in here. 69:14 "And the earth is moved, and its mountains, and they are crushed to powder at one stroke,-" 73:14 "One Day the earth and the mountains will be in violent commotion. And the mountains will be as a heap of sand poured out and flowing down." 19:90 "At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin," In these three ayats is perfectly described effects of erosion by words like "powder" and "heap of sand poured out and flowing down". And in 69:14 is described even what will allow this erosion to level huge mountains which are growing from crashing of continental plates, with informing movement of continental plates (and mountains moving along above them) that will eventually lead into end of mountains growing, as continental plates moving under others are finally under them and there will be no more collapses forming mountains (other plates are moving away from each others towards huge oceans), when erosion will start to "kick in", in other words when erosion will consume mountains more than they grow. This "day" in 18:47 and 73:14 describes well how time is different for Allah, He is not tight into our time-system based on going around sun, and that "day" may also tell us about lenght of "Judgement Day" before judgement (or even be that "day"). ANIMALS: (Allah knows best) 16:66 "And verily in cattle there is A lesson for you. We give you to drink of what is inside their bodies, coming from a conjunction between the contents of the intestine and the blood, A milk pure and pleasant for those who drink it." To understand the Qur'anic verse concerning the above concepts, it is important to know that chemical reactions occur in the intestines and that, from there, substances extracted from food pass into the blood stream via a complex system; sometimes by way of the liver, depending on their chemical nature. The blood transports them to all the organs of the body, among which are the milk-producing mammary glands. In simple terms, certain substances from the contents of the intestines enter into the vessels of the intestinal wall itself, and these substances are transported by the blood stream to the various organs. 39:6 "He created you (all) from a single person: then created, of like nature, his mate; and he sent down for you EIGHT head of cattle in pairs..." In this ayat is told about eight kind of usefull cattle-animals we have been given (if it does not inform how many animals were given to us to form basics of our breeding, which I doupt because it could then inform about 16 animals or 8 female and 8 male and not "heads", and we really can not be sure if this "sent down" would even mean that cattle has been brought here from other planets). One way to count them would be this: 1.Ox-animals (like cow or jaks), 2. Lamb and lamas, 3. Birds (like chicken, turkey or emu), 4. Camels (for milk), 5. Horses (for meat), 6. Fur-animals, 7.Deer-/reindeer-animals, 8. Pigs. Last, pigs, may not include here as Allah has not given for us permission to eat them (as neither dogs, both intelligent animals that should live free), instead of them could be fish, eventhough even raising fish in pools is called fish-farming. Even camels and flies are mentioned as signs. 16:68-69 says about bees and their superior navigation skills, and about healing powers of honey, how it is good for health. HISTORY: (Allah knows best) Think about it: Black Death-plague arrived after crusades to Europe through Venetsia, that prospered because of crusades. Andalucia brought renessaince, and after expulsion of muslims from Spain it produced hundred year wars with protestants and catholics. Napoleon got to power because of his former conquest of Egypt. World Wars begun because of colonial-invasions, and rivalry about it, from Austria-Hungary colony of muslim-Sarajevo, Russia invading and oppressing muslims in Central-Asia came communist, after muslims allied with bolsheviks. Koran is amazing even as a book of history. For example name of "Pharaoh" (as in the Bible) is corrected in Koran (hundreds of years later) as Fir�aun, and archeologies have founded out that his name really were that. Not only that, but Koran says about drowned Pharaoh: 10:92 "So this day We shall deliver your (dead) body (out from the sea), that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of our signs!" This pharaoh were found 1898, and his body had no signs of beeing long time in water. (12) 5:14 "From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: Therefor We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done ." After bloody history of past Roman Europe until WWII, christians in America and Africa have took this curse to be well proved. 5:13 informs that jews have been cursed by Allah, and this curse is easy to see in history, mostly excecuted by people of "christians" (as majority from these people), and they are also said to have "change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them", and changes in their writings are almost legendary (proved by for example recently found Qumran scrolls, where in Deut.32:8 is said that God has provided nations "according to number of sons of God", that jews were not only ones to receive prophets as they and christians claim, questioning their whole faith. Before this discovery this part said "provided for each nation own god", which is far away from original meaning). 8:73 "The unbelievers are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, (protect each other), there would be corruption and oppression on earth, and great mischief." Although this does not denye completely that unbelievers could protect muslims, in history those moments are rare (really not majority from "unbelievers" or muslims to be "protectors/protected"): Germany tried to protect itself in first World War by alliance with Ottoman Empire (now Turkey), and croatians protect themselves against serbs by alliance with bosnian muslims. This might be also mentioning only for Muhammed and muslims at his times, as all allied against him. Koran is at the same time revelation partly for people (and Muhammed especially) of that time, also scientifically correct for people until this day, and all between. All of Koran is not mainly for people of this time, as some advices were given only conserning situation of that time (as for example fighting against arab-pagans), but it still consideres us also through knowing and understanding history. 34:15-16 �There was, for Saba, aforetime, a Sign in their home-land - two Gardens to the right and to the left. "Eat of the Sustenance (provided) by your Lord, and be grateful to Him: a territory fair and happy, and a Lord Oft-Forgiving! But they turned away (from Allah), and We sent against them the flood (released) from the dams, and We converted their two garden (rows) into "gardens" producing bitter fruit, and tamarisks, and some few (stunted) lote-trees.� Also from cities destroyed there is interesting mentionings, it is possible that in Koran is described "plentious garden" that located in Saabah (now Jemen), which had dam that provided living for over 30 000 people until dam collapsed at time of birth of prophet Muhammed (around 570 AC). On that area sabians main god (worshipped as only god by some) were moon-god, that had own giant temple build by c.a. 1200 BC. HUMAN DEVELOPEMENT: (Allah knows best) Science has found out with global DNA-tests (going with those "back in time") that all humans (from all over the world) have same mother and father they all originate from, "Adam and Eve", in Islam "Eve" is "Hawwa" that means "original/first mother". Human-like that precided modern human (were they related to us or not, were there leap of evolution or not, humans were created from "earth ground/clay" meaning cycle of nature that from all our cells have grown, previous species are also part of that, in fact it can not mean anything else, as 37:11 is speaking about all humans created from clay in general level, not just about Adam) are hinted in Koran (if in the future, why not before?), in fact it is said that we have been raised from "posterity of other people": 6:133 "Thy Lord is self-sufficient, full of Mercy: if it were His will, He could destroy you, and in your place appoint whom He will as your successors, even as He raised you up from the posterity of other people." 17:99 "See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, is able to create the like of them. And He has decreed for them an appointed term, whereof there is no doubt. But the unjust refuse but disbelief." 14:19 "..If He so will, He can remove you and put (in your place) a new creation!" Really, those human-apes had time appointed at them, none of them survived to this day (although apes did). Allah say in Koran (5:60) that He can create man to apes, so why not otherway round according to Evolution theory? Still after that man would have been created from soil (and from water in beginning of evolution), as were apes before us and those before them, eating and growing with what comes from soil of the earth (and material for soil came from water). As you already know, Koran says that Allah created both all animals and mankind (/man) from water (24:45/25:54), and that is where evolution started according to theory. In other places is said that man is created from ground of the earth (23:12, and earth is where all we eat is coming from, that way also producing sperm for us and animals, and everything else in growth and what we are, in fact it can not mean anything else, as 37:11 is speaking about all humans created from clay in general level, not just about Adam), so either there is contradiction or man was created from both. Well, many say that Allah "shaped" man from both water and clay with His "hands", but can we take it so literally (as many descriptions in Koran and hadiths we can not)? Would that not happen even if Allah started our evolution "shaping" from water through other animals to two-legged animals, then to earlier human beings, then to modern human through (genetically engineered and changed, leap of evolution) sperm of this earlier human species (neanderthaals?)? DNA-testing has proved that all humans have same father and mother as going back enough in time, around 200 000 years: 3:59 "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. If Jesus (and his seed/embryo) was created into womb of a woman by saying "Be", so in what womb of what human species was Adam created? It could be that this "from ground of the earth" meant that semen drop that grow from what someone got from food (Allah made him to eat by "Be", and so created), then grow as Adam. �Similitude� can only mean that, as Allah has created everything else also by word �Be�, so only reason for mentioning it can only be evolution really, in fact 38:72 says that when Allah created Adam He �breathed� His spirit into him (notice that according 2:34 immediate command to bow down after that happened only after Adam was told name of things, so maybe his spirit was created before he came to earth, explaining how according to Bible Jesus said he was before Aabraham was on earth) , which can be seen as one thing making difference between modern humans and earlier humans/animals, maybe it is mostly capability to believe in Allah that was given to first modern human coming from womb of earlier human (leap of evolution) 7:24 told that Allah said Adam "go ye down!", that can be understood as unliteral description about state of expulsion from paradise-like place or state (after he was created to earth from womb), but it can also have meant that Adam came from different planet, as a seed/embryo to womb (experiencing expulsion trough death and new birth in earth) or then as grown man. I think this all fine but complete description about evolution is more easier to understand through description about "jinns" (aliens), who were created from FIRE FREE OF SMOKE, and what that might have meant (that their material came from stars that died). (13) 35:1 "Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two, or three, or four (pairs): He adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things." Evolution is said to be continued, Allah can add into it what He wills. 37:11 "Just ask their opinion: are they the more difficult to create, or the (other) beings We have created? Them have We created out of a sticky clay!" This ayat shows that we really are basicly normal animals, we even share 98% of our genes with simpansies. So if simps were easy to create, so are we. 96:15-16 "Let him beware! If he desist not, We will drag him by front of the head ("naseyah"), a lying , sinful front of the head ("naseyah")! This Sura (given first) told what we now know, that in front part of our brains we make almost all of our moralistic and religious decisions. "Naseyah" means front side of head, sometimes it has been translated as a forelock. This area is developed among last ones in our brains, after/in the end of our puberty (often much after 20 years), so it is easy to understand why according to Islam Allah does not punish those who die young. But Allah knows our weaknesses in case of punishment: 4:56 "Those who reject our signs, We shall soon cast into the fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the chastisement: for Allah is Exalted in power, wise." Why here is nothing about burning flesh? Because almost all of our receptors of sense and feeling are in the skin, not in our muscles. Beduiin from 7th century could not have known this even by mutilating himself. But next is even more convincing, what you can see only by microscope in laboratories: 23:12-14 "Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); then We placed as (drop of) "NUTFAH" (sperm) in a place of rest, firmly fixed; then We made the sperm into a clot of "ALAQAH" (leech-like structure/something that is clinging like congealed blood), and then We changed the "ALAQAH" into a "MUDGHAH" (chewed-like substance/fetus lump), then We changed the "MUDGHAH" into "IDHAAM" (bones, skeleton), then We clothed the "IDHAAM" with "LAHM" (flesh, muscles), then We caused him to grow and come into being as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the BEST to create!" "Alaqah" means in arabic several things. One is "leech-like structure", what embryo resembles in age of few days/weeks. Another is "bend form of thing/attached", that we can notice after embryo is firmly fixed (well attached) in wall of mothers womb, when it is bend like a hook. Third is "congealed blood", and in that stage of "alaqah" cells of embryo begins to form blood-cells going in their vessels. Because blood is joined to its vessel, embryo resembles "congealed blood" (plus previous leech-like structure). "Mud ghah" means "cheewed-like substance", and it describes totally appearance of embryo (like cheewed gum, that it resembles when it can be seen only by microscope). As known, bones develope under this structure inside of flesh-mass and then (real/final) flesh is put top of it (flesh and bones forming structure). This is what means words "lahm" (unbroken flesh). The above Ayah explicitly states that the bones are formed first and that this is followed by the formation of flesh or muscles which take their position around the bones (clothing the bones). In fact the primordia or precursors of both the bone and muscle (in the form of myotomes and selertomes) are present together with those of bones and other tissues and organs in a collective primitive structure are formed during the first 40 days and is found in the Mudghah. However, in this stage the primordia of muscle have not yet differentiated into definitive bones and muscles. As they do not have the shapes or forms of bones or muscles, the whole embryo at this stage does not have a human appearance. During the seventh week- the skeleton begins to spread throughout the body and the bones take their familiar shapes. The embryo then starts to acquire the human appearance. At the end of the seventh week and during the eighth week the muscles take their positions around the bone forms, "definitive muscles of trunk, limbs and head are well represented and foetus is capable of some movement". (Dr.Omar Abdul Rehman) Embryo goes to a stage, where parts of it is shaped to same size what they are later supposed to be, compared to adults size, and other parts are yet not final size. Maybe this is what is meaning of Sura 22:5, that goes: 22:5 "O mankind! If ye have a doubt about the resurrection, (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, PARTLY FORMED and PARTLY INFORMED, in order that We may manifest (Our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes, then (foster you) that ye may reach your age of full strenght; and some of you are called to die, and some are sent back to the feeblest old age, so that they know nothing after having known (much). And (further) thou seest the earth barren and lifeless..." 15:26 "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;" As we know, we really are originated from dust/dirt of ground, from there grows everything that grows us (including our sperm), shape is in that food we eat. 25:54 "It is He Who has created man (/mankind) from WATER: then has He established relationship of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things)." Evolution started from water, this can only mean that because in other parts man is said to be created from mud/dust/dirt/clay of the (dry) earth, Muhammed would not have any reason to be so contradictive. Besides from our body 70% is water, which would be impossible to know or even guess for 7th century beduiin. (14) Attachement of womans egg into a wall of womb is described perfectly in many places with a word "alaq", that is also name of this Sura given first: 96:2 "Created, out of a leech-like clot:" "Clot" means also something that is clinging/hanging on. Sometimes used "like congealed blood" means also "cell". 33:4 "God has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body.." -Yusuf Ali "Allah has not made for any man two hearts within him..- Shakir" As should be obvious from the above translations, the above verse is actually saying that God has not �made for� any human being two hearts in their body. There can be no doubt that a person cannot possibly survive with two hearts, even if he is born with them due to some abnormality. The words �made for..� indicate that no human being is suited to having two hearts, and this is a fact that nobody at all can question or deny. The Quran says that no human being is �made for having two hearts� not because this might not ever occur, but because a human being could not survive if it did (from which I have not at least ever heard of, one kind of miracle is that it is so rare also). With transplant of new heart there is still only one (active) heart, some could try transplant two hearts with catastrophy, although it may not have anything to do with these verses as Allah is not one to place new heart(s), although if He would let some to place it against His advice. Other parts in Koran not to take too literally, but as romantic descriptions more likely: 47:29 "....in whose hearts is a disease, ... " 50:37 "....any that has a heart and understanding ...." 3:154 "They hide in their minds what they dare not reveal to thee,........ ; but (all this was) that God might test what is in your breasts and purge what is in your hearts. For God knoweth well the secrets of your hearts." Descriptions about heart should not be taken too literally, as neither many other parts of Koran, because anyway here also is mentioned our minds (and even back then connected to brains) brain functions. Of course our heart have their own nerveimpulse-network , as it does have its electromagnetic field, thay influences our other cells, but real effect from our hearts to our brains come from blood that it pumps into our brains. 21:34 "We granted not to any man before thee permanent life (here): if then thou shouldst die, would they live permanently?" So even if we could transfer our minds into electric data or into robot brains, even that will not last forever as universum will end some day. Also accidents and all kind of bad luck will propably be very possible in time of millions of years. 2:96 "Thou wilt indeed find them (wrong-doers), of all people, most greedy of life,-even more than the idolaters: Each one of them wishes He could be given a life of a thousand years: But the grant of such life will not save him from (due) punishment. For Allah sees well all that they do." Here we are informed that some day we might be able to live for thousand or more years, and with genetic engineering and new medicines it might be possible. Words "grant of such" can mean that we are allowed to pursue longer life through genetic engineering, if common intrest of mankind demands for it (as in space travel). Although Koran advices us not to touch into creation of Allah (His religion), "there is no force in religion" ayat and rules like that one does not have to go for pilgrimage if that is not possible, or that muslim can even renounce his faith in case of threat, give us permission if it is neccessary (but after achieving goal possible damage should be repared). But longer life will also increase possibility that one could know Islam better, and opportunities to accept it. In western world people live double from that some in Africa. Wonder why... 36:68 "If We grant long life to any, We cause him to be reversed in nature: Will they not then understand?" Here is told probably about reversing and decreasing in mind / intellectuality when getting old, but it could also be warning about results of genetic engineering (and long age achived by that), for example our religious activity is inside our brains, so can we be sure that it part(s) of our brains will not be damaged? 75:3-4 "Does man think that We cannot assemble his bones? Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers." This part of Koran revealed that each human have unique finger tips (finger prints). 12:103 "Yet no faith will the greater part of mankind have, however ardently thou dost desire it." 12:106 "And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!" Although muslims are now 33% of Asian population and 50% from African population, and increasing, these ayats are propably speaking only to Muhammed ("thou dost desire") about people in his times. But as you can see, is it not wonder that religion with this much evidence, and truly only world-wide monotheism, is still not yet even biggest religion in the world (officially, religion seems to be more important for most of muslims than to most of christians, which might reflect words of prophet Jesus about "rich man getting his share here in this world" or that "plessed be poor"). (15) "He (the Holy Prophet) said: The reproductive substance of man is white and that of woman (i. e. ovum central portion) yellow, and when they have sexual intercourse and the male's substance (chromosomes and genes) prevails upon the female's substance (chromosomes and genes), it is the male child that is created by Allah's Decree, and when the substance of the female prevails upon the substance contributed by the male, a female child is formed by the Decree of Allah." (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0614)" Most of the time, an embryo growing in the womb fully develops into either a male or a female with all the appropriate body parts and, many scientists believe, a mindset programmed according to its gender. What determines its gender -- in most cases -- are its sex chromosomes: two X chromosomes (another for female from man) in the nucleus of its original egg cell and it will become a female; a Y and an X chromosome (another for male from man) and it will become a male. 32:8 "And made his progeny from a quintessence of despised (/lowly) fluid." 86:6-7 "He is created from a drop emitted- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs." Now we know that sperm is originated from where urin is produced, between backbone and ribs. Many people even think that sperm or that area is despicably/lowly. And a man's seed is the quintessence of his body. It is therefore said metaphorically to proceed from his loins, i.e., from his back between the hipbones and his ribs. His backbone is the source and symbol of his strength and personality. In his spinal cord and in the brain is the directive energy of the central nervous system, and this directs all action, organic and psychic. The spinal cord is continuous with the Medulla Oblongata in the brain. Spinal cord also has essential importance for male sexual capability. And we cannot forget that also our seamen is produced from what we eat (from ground), nothing comes from nothinges in us, and so it is originated also from our stomaches (between backbone and ribs). 16:4 "He has created man from a sperm-drop, and behold, this comes open disputer!" 18:37 "..Dost thou deny Him Who created thee out of dust, then out of sperm-drop, then fashioned thee into a man?" This "dust" means either ground or those indegredients, atoms, in food from ground which from this sperm is formed. GEOLOGY/PROPHECY: (Allah knows best) In Koran is prophesied battle that took place exactly were it was said to happen, in lowest place on surface of earth. Palestinian area really has lower plains that is most lowest place in the land from sea-level, near Jerusalem. That is where Bysantium and Persia fought, as Koran predicted: 30:2-4 "The romans have been defeated- in the lowest (/nearest, "adnal-ardh") land, but they, (even) after their (this) defeat, will soon be victorious- within a few years, with Allah is the command in the past and in the future: on that day shall the believers rejoice." "Adna" means both words, lowest and and nearest. And this is what happened, after loss of Jerusalem and battle on "lowest land" (614-15 AD) and giving of this prophecy (615-16 AD), it took seven years (622 AD) until romans had victory at Issus, and two years more (624) until Heraclius carried his victorious campaign to the heart of Persia (and Quraish pagans in Mecca were beaten off at Badr), and this is generally accepted as a "few years" (that does not mean any tight amount of years, allthough it has been interpreted as 7-9 years after following time-schedule of romans victories). Heraclius were lazy and into luxurious way of living until almost destroyed his empire, but then he suddenly rose like only to make prophecy of Koran to come true, just to sink back to be nothing after defeating persians. After romans lost totally before prophecy, no human could not have predict this kind of turn, and muslims were openly mockered by arabian pagans from this prophecy. And how Muhammed could have known that this area (even close to Arabia) is lowest point on land (not under water)? 55:17 "(He is) Lord of the two Easts and Lord of the two Wests:" This is one very strong proof that author of Koran knew that earth is round. In equator both day and night is 12 hours, and when sun is rising in other side of the globe, it is setting on the other side. There is two sun rising in a 24 hours, for both sides of the globe their own, as there is two sun settings on earth inside 24 hours (imagine sun rising on Europe , and then later on Hawaiji when it is dark on Europe, it is still inside 24 hours of date-line in pacific). Also almost half of the earth is covered by Pacific Ocean, so other half is dominated by land mass (as it was stretched or bend into more crescent-like form over earth from more "flattened" single continent), so from wiew of Hawaiji (centre of ocean) west is on eastern coast of China and east is on coast of western America, and so from around Mecca (centre of land concentration) it is other way around, west is on coast of western America and east is on coast of China. Ibn Tamiyah 1328 AC said that it is opinion of muslim scholars that earth and all "celestial bodies" are round, because in 21:33 (for example) word "falak" is means spinning wheel, also used as describeing young girls breasts. He wrote that people on other side of the earth are not below us (upsidedown), as we are not below them, because "celestial bodies" are surrounding central point (markaz), and so north is not upper than south. In muslim maps north was down and south was up. 57:17 �Know ye (all) that Allah giveth life to the earth after its death! Already have We shown the Signs plainly to you, that ye may learn wisdom.� Here might be only description about earth reviving after long time without water (rains), but it could also describe how earth has gone through mass-genocides of species, when almost all life was terminated. Earth was also �dead� after it had cooled down from lava and fire-ball it was (in constant movement). (16) FLOOD OF NOAH: According to Koran flood of Noah only involved people of (prophet) Noah, whole world is not said to have sunk (as in the Bible). Strongest candidate for "people of Noah" might be developed nation found from bottom of Black Sea, which people did not have time to escape when masses of water from Mediterrean Sea flow into it after straits of Bosbor (in place of modern Istanbul) collapsed thousands of years ago. Another good candidate is "lost Atlantis", that has been with high probability (descriptions of "Atlantis" match) located from southern Spain, as it sunk into sea on the coast. 3:33 mentions Noah as important messenger among others like in 4:163 and in 6:84. 7:64 (and 21:77+25:37+37:82+53:52) mentions that (only) those who rejected message of Noah (people he was sent to) were drowned, no other except Noah is mentioned to have had "sign" then. Inheritors of Noah in 7:69 (and in 37:77 "offspring") are only part of people on earth, ancestors of people of Israel. 10:73 people from ark who "inherit the earth" (37:79 "salutation to Noah among the nations") really got it as religions of Aabraham (relative of Noah) cover over 50% of worlds population. 11:40 (and in 23:27 "valley overflows"+54:12) "water came forth from the valley" (Shakir translation) could describe how Bosbor-straits broke, also some heavy rain (54:11) and fountains (Yusufali translation) from ground might have gushed forth at same time, "(take) of each kind two, male and female" does not really mention all species of animals or plants in world, it does not mention animals/plants at all, only humans (his family and those who followed Noah), 26:119 mentions only filled ark ("with all creatures" is interpretation of Yusufali), can be it with humans and food and some animals. 11:43 Noah�s son mentioned going to mountains, but he never got that far as waves "came between them", no mention of flood covering mountains. 11:44 earth "swallowing" water and sky "withdrawing" can not be very much water in any sense. 11:48 confirmed that "there will be" (= they will be introduced to) other people that were not in Ark. 17:2-3 comfirmed that descedants of Ark are people of Israel, from son of Aabraham.In 29:14 "(Noah) tarried among them a thousand years less fifty" can mean that Noah was with his people for 950 years, or that he was with them last 50 years from millennium, or even that he was with them for time of "thousand years" in ours account, so according to Koran (22:47) one "day" in Allah�s sight (as Noah was prophet and belongs with Allah), it can be only reason why this "less fifty" is said and not 950 years mentioned straight, so almost one day (if 50 means years, 95% from day, if "fifty" means 50% then half day) trying to preach them (as according to Koran there is only few descriptions about his sayings, 29:18 "duty of the messenger is only to preach publicly", maybe after that day he began to build ark). In 69:11 interpretiating "you" into mankind is only from Yusufali translation, it could be Noah, or morelikely his offspring and so "you" could be addressed to prophet Muhammed who was also offspring of Aabraham (so "you" in 69:12 is also maybe addressed to prophet Muhammed only). In 71:25 Allah spoke about certain people of Noah mentioned in aya�s 1, 7 and in 23 with their gods. Notice, in 11:46 Allah told for His prophet that he is "acting like ingorant" despite counceling of Him, so was prophet Noah sinless? In 71:26 Noah requested that no single one of unbelievers would be left on earth, but Allah gave no answer to that. 18:8 "Verily what is on earth we shall make but as dust and dry soil (without growth or herbage)." This final drought will be reality at least when sun makes this planet too hot for anything to survive, but scientists also say that if oceans warm too much, methane on bottom of oceans will rise to athmosphere, causing greenhouse-effect that will eventually in time make earth hot like sauna. 99:1 "When the earth is shaken to her (utmost) convulsion," 99:2 "And the earth throws up her burdens (from within)," This also demonstrates that earth is not flat, and it describes maybe earth either crashing with other planet (moon?) or being swallowed by the sun and teared apart by huge gravity, both in distant future, or perhaps it told us use of such terrible weapon that earth will literally burst its inside into space (into orbit, if gravity is not lost). About Alexsander the Great and "Gog and Magog": 83. They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain [or Dhul-qarnain]. Say, 'I will rehearse to you something of his story.' 84. Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends. 85. One (such) way he followed, 86. Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: 'O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.' 87. He said: 'Whoever doth wrong, him shall we punish; then shall he be sent back to his Lord; and He will punish him with a punishment unheard-of (before). 88. But whoever believes, and works righteousness,- he shall have a goodly reward, and easy will be his task as We order it by our Command.' 89. Then followed he (another) way, 90. Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun. 91. (He left them) as they were: We completely understood what was before him. 92. Then followed he (another) way, 93. Until, when he reached (a tract) between two mountains, he found, beneath them, a people who scarcely understood a word. 94. They said: 'O Zul-qarnain! the Gog and Magog (People) do great mischief on earth: shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them?' 95. He said: '(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): Help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them: 96. Bring me blocks of iron.' At length, when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, He said, 'Blow (with your bellows)' Then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: 'Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead.' 97. Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it. 98. He said: 'This is a mercy from my Lord: But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will make it into dust; and the promise of my Lord is true.' 18:86 Is not description to take literally (as Koran has those in other places too), as sun can not even in anyone�s wildest dreams go from place were there is no hole in the ground (as all water in lake would go from it), and it is not said to pounch back to east from west. According to Islam, hadiths, sun goes from west to east only on Judgement Day, and it is sign from that Day (what even may have began, as sun goest from west to east in northest part of the world in summer time at night, and there is even muslims now to prove it eventhough there is no muslim-state in north, that is why signs are given so that as muslims realize those, it is sign. Another way to see this sign is connected to part of Koran that says about two west and two east, Islam and muslims have reached also Hawaiji and sun there rises from western coast of America and will set on eastern coast of China). To the west of the town of Lychnis is a lake 170 square miles in area, fed by underground springs that issue through limestone rocks and give out murky water. Both town and lake are now called Ochrida, about 50 miles west of Monastir. The water is so dark that the river which forms the outlet of the lake to the north is called the Black Drin. Looking at the sunset from the town, the observer would see the sun set a pool of murky water (18:86). It was a question before the boy Alexander -- the dreamy, impulsive, fearless rider -- whether he would put the barbarous Illyricans to the sword or show them mercy. He showed true discrimination and statesmanship. He punished the guilty but showed kindness to the innocent, and thus consolidated his power in the west. This I construe to be the meaning of (Noble Verses) 18:86-87; otherwise these verses do not seem to be perfectly clear. (17) 18:90 Mentions people who Allah had not "offered protection from the sun", meaning people of Central-Asia where they live on plains and desert, where Alexsander visited Bukhara and Samarkand. He did not went to conquest Central-Asia, but "left them as they were". Then he arrived area 230 kilometers south-east from Bukhara, where he build Iron Gate to protect people who did not speak his language (turkish) as protection against "Gog and Magog"-people (mongols). As Allah had promised, this gate was later destroyed in this narrow canyon. Yet on 7th century chinese traveller and 985-986 arabian traveller reported and wrote about this gate made of iron blocks. Another but less propably possibility could be Tiemen Pass (also called Iron Pass or Iron Gate Pass), only 8 kilometers north of Korla, lies at the mouth of a 14 kilometer (9 mile) long valley. It was of strategic importance in history in ancient China and islisted as one of the 26 famous Passes. Tiemen was at the throat of the Silk Road and the traffic junction between northern Xinjiang and southern Xinjiang. Nearby, there are still traces of an ancient barracks and military activities. Four Chinese characters are inscribed on the cliff beside the pass. The characters describe the steepness and precipitousness of the pass. But this is maybe only in case that there really has been (destroyed) iron gate and that Alexander visited so north in plains of Xinjiang or if Zul-qarnain is not Alexander the Great. 21:96-97 "Until the Gog and Magog (people) are let through (their barrier), and they swiftly swarm from every hill. Then will the true promise draw nigh (of fulfilment): then behold! the eyes of the Unbelievers will fixedly stare in horror: "Ah! Woe to us! we were indeed heedless of this; nay, we truly did wrong!" Section 21:96-97 is from my wiew of point telling "Gogin ja Magogin" nations (as described in 18:93-96, mongols) new destructive wave of attack, it does not descrbe future but is already happened prophecy from 1200- and 1300-centuries about everything destroying, killing all (muslims) in the way from east to west coming mongol invasion. All cities (including Bagdad) were destroyed completely, and from their (muslim) inhabitants skulls were made towers and hills. This wave reached from Himalaja-mountains trough Centre-Asia, Afghanistan an Iran�s "all hills" (that area has A LOT because of differences in altitude) reaching all the way to Damascos (were before they were finally stopped) destroying Bagdad on the way, destroying completely Caliphate, symbol of muslim prosperity and unity, even getting many (non-muslims mostly) to believe that end of Islam is at hands. Mongols attacked also over hills of Ural (to muslim-areas of Volga, who accepted Islam at 10th century), untill they finally after advancing long inside modern Russia- and Ukraine- areas accepted Islam as Koran informed and predicted mukaisesti Islamiin. Just like Koran said ("Ah! Woe to us! we were indeed heedless of this; nay, we truly did wrong!"), they were terrified and on horror about destruction they had made (to Islam, its another wing in form of bird/angel were severely injured back then), and they spend long time and big efforts in trying to repair damage they had done, with for example prospering arts and other kind of cultural activities of Timurid-Empire. "...The name (i.e., Gog and Magog) stands for wild and lawless tribes who will break their barriers and swarm through the earth. This will be one of the prognostications of the approaching Judgement." Muhammed said that mongols will come again (after times of Aleksander), and that they will "swarm through the earth" as waves, as they did conquering most of biggest continent in th earth, Asia (even China was conquered). Remember that "approaching Judgement" is not far away for Allah even in hundreds or thousands of years, christians waited Jesus to come back in their life-time. "Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: "The Prophet said 'The people will continue performing the Hajj and 'Umra to the Ka'ba even after the appearance of Gog and Magog.' Narrated Shu'ba extra: The Hour (Day of Judgment) will not be established till the Hajj (pilgrimage to the Mecca) is abandoned. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Pilgrimage (Hajj), Volume 2, Book 26, Number 663)" Mongols did not advance to Mecca, that is why pilgrimages continued normally, in east people had even more reasons to get there from way of mongols. "Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: "The Last Hour would not come until you fight with a people wearing shoes of hair and the Last Hour would not come until you fight with a people having small eyes and broad snub noses. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah), Book 041, Number 6958)" Beginning of this prophecy has at least finally now come true, as soldiers "wearing shoes of hair" are now in Irak, meaning shoe-lazes of their army boots (also mongols had lot of hair in their boots). This does not mean that war should be continued or spread, peace should be made when offered as Islam requested. And it does not mean that "Hour" (Different time-section than) is yet any much closer than in times of mongols, just "close". "Abu Sa'id reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "Allah, the High and Glorious, would say: O Adam I and he would say: At Thy service, at thy beck and call, O Lord, and the good is in Thy Hand. Allah would say: Bring forth the group of (the denizens of) Fire. He (Adam) would say: Who are the denizens of Hell? It would be said: They are out of every thousand nine hundred and ninety-nine. He (the Holy Prophet) said: It is at this juncture that every child would become white-haired and every pregnant woman would abort and you would see people in a state of intoxication, and they would not be in fact intoxicated but grievous will be the torment of Allah. He (the narrator) said: This had a very depressing effect upon them (upon the companions of the Holy Prophet) and they said: Messenger of Allah, who amongst us would be (that unfortunate) person (who would be doomed to Hell)? He said: Good tidings for you, Yajuj and Majuj (i.e., Gog and Magog in English) would be those thousands (who would be the denizens of Hell) and a person (selected for Paradise) would be amongst you. He (the narrator) further reported that he (the Messenger of Allah) again said: By Him in Whose Hand is thy life, I hope that you would constitute one-fourth of the inhabitants of Paradise. We extolled Allah and we glorified (Him). He (the Holy Prophet) again said: BY Him in Whose Hand is my life, I wish you would constitute one-third of the inhabitants of Paradise. We extolled Allah and Glorified (Him). He (the Holy Prophet) again said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, I hope that you would constitute half of the inhabitants of Paradise. Your likeness among the people is the likeness of a white hair on the skin of a black ox or a strip on the foreleg of an ass. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman), Book 001, Number 0430)" (18) According to this prophecy, only one out of thousand mongol-invaders got to paradise (at least without going to helle first). Every (mongol conquered area) child came "white-haired", because also their skulls were put into these (white) towers/hills to be burned by sun and sand. Pregnancyes of womans were aborted understandably, as they all were killed. People were "in state of intoxication" either from fear or shock (muslim-civilians), or either from hatred and lust for murdering (mongols). Increasingly rising numbers of muslims proportion in paradise means that it is open (in princible, even as determined, but not informed by declaration), hopely high as possible. In any case muslim (ecspesially really so believing) is in this world among of thousands of gods come to earth etc. worshipping religions is as easy to spot like "white hair in black ox". "Narrated Thauban: "The Prophet peace be upon him said: 'The nations shall gather and team up against you (i.e., Muslims) as the predators gather and team up against their preys. A questioner asked: 'Is it because of us being low in numbers at that day?' The Prophet replied: 'No, you that day shall be in great numbers, but you will be as powerless as the foam of the water on the surface of the river, and Allah shall remove any fear from your enemies toward you, and He shall put in your hearts a corruption.' A questioner asked: 'O Apostle of Allah, what is the corruption?' The Prophet replied: 'The love of life's amusements and the fear of death.' (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, The Book of Fierce Battles - The Gathering of all Nations against Islam, Book 37, Number 4297)" In times of mongol-invasions muslims were suffering in all directions, enemy really came from all directions, "nations together". Half of Asia were attacking muslims from east, indians and mongols (who controlled China also), from west there came enthuastic christian-missionaries to "crusade" towards Jerusalem, Spain was pushing (all ready for centuries in "reconquista") like as in last days towards south, Granada, to get their hands on muslim-maps of America (Granada surrendered on january 1492, Columbus found America in 12th of october 1492), just born in sub-Sahara huge muslim-states of Mali and Songhai were neither so thrilled with southern pagan-states of africans (which were supprisingly strong and big also), Russia started to wake up from mongol-invasion. That means that almost all of Asia and Europe were (as crusades were hobby of whole continent as football now) and half of Africa non-muslim areas (it was not much easier either on African east coast for muslims) were attacking together against muslims, "without fear". Here is prophecy I personally thought some way to happen: Book 005, Number 2208: Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers. SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab) 1.DESERTS GREEN? (Allah knows best) If mankind is on earth during next ice age (signs from it already there, like Golf-stream slowing down 20% in last five years period, some scientist predict that Britain might have climate of Alaska in next 20 years), deserts of arabs (Sahara+Middle-East) is going to be green, as they were during last ice age when black africans inhabitated even nowadays deserts of Libya. This has been mentioned in prophecy and hadith of prophet Muhammed (puh), as he said that "deserts of arabs will once again be filled with rivers and gardens".Noticeably here is for example satellite pictures taken from Saudi-Arabian desert, In these pictures anyone can clearly see old river streams going under desert, and from there founded remains of gardens and aggricultural activity. So Muhammed knew without proofs that during last ice age area was green, And so it will be during next ice age after chenge in climate and rainfalls. But this prophecy does not exclude possibility that humans themselves could make them green, as their actions would anyway be originated from Allah, and it could happen this way: In Sahara there is these huge "pools", higher ground surrounded lower areas which are these huge "pools" on desert, that some has even big areas under sea-level in bottom of these "pools". These pools mostly are located very near coast-line, and with pumps and pipes of few hudred kilometers these "pools" could be filled with sea-water, until vaporasing (increasing while wideness of "pools" would expand) would match water flowing in, when surface of "pools" would stop rising and around them would be coming huge oasises (as sand filters salt from sea-water, when few meters from coast of these "pools" would be easy to get fresh water with dwells and pumps), and these oasises could reach kilometers inland as water travels far away in sand. For aggricultural activities and inhabitation there would be huge areas to be used, these "pools" would be biggest lakes in the world. But real meaning of these pools would be elsewhere, because vaporising from those would be huge in world�s warmest areas with most heat radiation from sun (without clouds). Water-steam would for clouds filled with water, that would be going with major winds to south and east (for example as turned by coriolis-force) into mountains middle of Sahara and mountains west in Arabian peninsula, forming rains at least finally there. It would form rivers and lakes into area, from which there is obvious signs around mountains in middle of Sahara from past times (from last ice age, when Sahara was inhabitated by black africans). Reason why these "pools" would change situation so radically is that air-masses rise to upper layors of athmosphere from equator, until arriving to north and coming down at 30�-line east-west (at coast of Libya/Egypt), and go from there as winds we notice to south and north, leaving winds going south without moisture from Mediterrean Sea, as winds going to north (Europe) will have all of it. So only way to get moisture to Sahara is to move water-masses from Medterrean Sea to these "pools" under this 30�-line to vaporise (Mediterrean Sea will have water more through gibraltar straits from Atlantic). (19) Only bad side this could have would be destruction of unhabitated waste-land desert, when besides worthless deserts there would be lots of land suitable for aggricultural and living use, providing living for millions of unemployment workers and people without land (believe me, deserts will be green as long as they get enough water, seeds for plants have come there by wind, in nature-document water was poured in top of dune and green plant rose from it, dying without water until it got more water and got back to life). Here would be huge opportunities for profits, buy worthless desert and change it for aggricultural use, even possibly oil could be trilled from bottom of these pools and transported to coast by ships (cheaper than by trucks) or by underwater-pipes (no danger of sabotage). Also water pumping from under Libyan desert would get more fresh water below desert sand from these pools. These ideas can be expanded by even redirecting rivers just before it will end into oceans, so that fresh water of it will not be �wasted� but used to water deserts. Examples from this kind of possibility is end of Eufrat and Tigris, that could go through Kuwait and eastern Saudi-Arabia by channel to south on low lands. Another example could be rivers of Siberia turned to water Central-Asia instead of flowing to north, as global warming is reducing risk that Ice-Sea could be frozen without these rivers flowing into it. 2.ISLAMIC MANIFEST? (Allah knows best) How would sound like succesful society without need and poverty with prospering corporations and business, where one could get rich also by normal work? This is what prophecy of Muhammed told us above. I tought about ideal society, and realized where it could be done first: In Saudi-Arabia. Basics is oil, (In Saudi-Arabia about 80% of worlds oil reserves), so that system can be made running. Saudi-Arabia was able to offer each of its citcens "citizen�s salary" evan at 1990�s, that was back then around 330 euro per citizen. Now oil prices have gone five or six times higher from that, so why not pursude for more? What if government would pay for corporations and business-makers all products and services bought by citizens (in certain limits of reason perhaps in the beginning, maybe favoring domestic companies)? So every citizen would get basic living standards (basic commodities like food, clothes, medicine, education health care, etc..) completely free of charge, and car and apartment with certain limits from which more expensive part they should pay with money coming from their own work/business/investments/savings (for example apartments 1/citizen, car each 10 years, and if you want to buy more or more expensive going beyond limits agreed, then you need to make your own money for it or sell old ones in exchange). This kind of explosive increase in spending (when nobody would need to think in shops what they can afford, just what they want and need) would get companies, employment and economics to prosper, and so on as people would not need to use even their smallest incomes into basic living, they would have change to invest by them selves (into foreign countries/domestically) or to found (even small basar) business that they could larger with even more investments and risks, as there would not be risk from total collapse of living standarts even in case of bankcrupcy (that would be unlikely due to higher domestic spending). There would neither be any "traps" preventing from taking jobs with lower salary, as all one could earn would be only plus (when staying only on social security could achieve only certain level of living without hope for better, but almost all people are so greed that they always want more). This way working would come REAL way to wealth and even for getting rich if salary is invested right. Founding business would be easy as government would pay expenses in the beginnig. Of course this system could be risked by some efforts to take use of this system, like that (foreign) companies would try to sell too expensively with rip-off prices increasing inflation (to regulate prices government could found own government businesses into all areas of economics, with 50% of shares distributed evenly to all citizens, and took government payment-guarantee from companies trying to exploid system, then ordinary people should favor state-companies getting some money back instead of government losing it, and they too through government/government-companies shares losings, and favor other their favorite companies so that those selling with too high prices would be forced to lower their prices and not to lose governments payment-guarantee, when customers would have to pay from their favorite commodities/services from their own money, salary), until this system would expand even further to other countries (first to other oil-countries like Irak and Libya). From these countries wealth and investments would spread by through totally welcomed workers from other countries (with their families), who would be given from (at least for quite regular) working same benefits, when they again could invest their money further (into own countries for example), increasing wealth there too. Soon situation could be that state and people would have got so rich even only from their investments in shares and ownings in foreing companies/lands, that state would make so much profit they would not have to stop system even when oil runs out, and so positive circle of investments and increased spending would go on. This system would work in political multiparty-system, where people would monitore state actions in putting recommended reasonable prices and policies in running people-owned business (if state would try to make prices too low, income from shares for people would suffer, and their other own/favorite privately owned businesses might end). As a sign from "Judgement Day" is given also (in hadiths) that sun goes from west to east (and said that after that "no repetance will be accepted", from those who die in chosen state of non-muslim or after abandoning Islam (twice), except "people without knowledge" who will not be punished from their sins according to Islam, mentioned for example in 16:25, 9:6 and also undirectly in 2.120 "...Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah."), and that is exactly what it does in the north summer time as "midnight sun", when it does not even set on all days but can be seen over north pole on opposite side of earth whole night, going from west to east. Muslims have reached this north only recently (I, as local-born finnish male accepting Islam from Rovaniemi, first know case in mosque, in 2003), and we have to remember that Koran and hadiths have been written and given for muslims, so this is a new "sign" for muslims (sign is sign only after somebody who it has been ment will see and understands it). Maybe new period of more demandings in people living north has began, as knowledge has reached also us. If it is a sign, it can also mean time when there is muslim-dominant nation in the north (of midnight sun), perhaps in Siberia after oil runs out/comes obsolote and Russia has no use for this area, if they care to make a deal. (20) And when Koran says that on "Judgement Day" (different than "Judgement"? Same as "Hour"? Does Judgement come at some point of that "Day"? Lenght of that "Day"? Is Earth destroyed before universum on that "Day"?) Islam will be "only religion accepted", does it mean on the judgement or after some time limit (after beginning of "Judgement Day"-period, that could be period of prophet Jesus coming back and more challenging future for humans after his death, when Koran has been made easy to understand and accept after progress in science and information)? It means anyway (according to 3:85) that to be punished you have to "desire/seek other religion than Islam", meaning that you had opportunity to receive Islam (and compare its message for example foundings on modern science, and found it proven as truth) but you did not, as Allah says in Koran that He will punish only those who have been given Islam but then refused it. Allah does not punish without warning, and that is why Allah says in Koran (Sura number 2) that "good People of the Book" (f.ex. jews and christians) will be saved (+in Islam also "people without knowledge"), because before 20th century opportunities even to read Koran translated into own language (if even knew how to read) were few. But now might be time when jews and christians should at least accept Islam, now when in 20th century lived more people than on all earlier centuries put together (in 21th century even quicker), Allah still would have spoken true if He ment by punishing non-believers (democratically) majority of them. In Islam is prophecy that "light of Islam" will penetrate every land (/country) before Judgement. In Asia Islam has entered every country, even (communist North-) Korea has had numerous korean muslims as refugees in (northern) China for centuries. It has now done it also outside Asia and Africa (where refugees spread Islam), and through internet. Latin americans have had prosperous Islamic history of Andalucia for hundreds of years in Spain, and Portugal, and after expulsion of muslims (at same time when America were founded) there were small part of muslims from slaves brought to America, and after that iberians had to choose religion of the slaves to find Truth (in Cuba muslims are even now prisoners in Guantamo-base of USA, that has been part of Cuba). In Latin America there is also possibility that muslims found it first, as there has been found old arabic writing (for example "Allah") from Brasilia, and signs in what christians did to indians in whole continent. Catholism with its praying for saints is also closer to hinduism than monotheism. CLOUDS: (Allah knows best) 24:43 "Seest thou not that Allah makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? Then wilt thou see rain issue forth from their midst. And He sends down from the sky mountain masses (of clouds) wherein is hail: He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away from whom He pleases. The vivid flash of its (/those, hails and clouds) lightning nearly blinds the sight." Cumulous-clouds are formed when wind drives smaller clouds together, and as they come together rain is formed. Also description about clouds as mountains on the sky is excellent, cumulous-clouds are size of from 4.7 to 5.7 miles (7-9 kilometers), totally size of biggest mountains (on earth). Biggest miracle here is that lightnings are told to have origin in hails ("its lightning"), and modern science has found out that lightnings are produced by effect of hails in clouds. 7:57 Says about (from water) "heavy" clouds that Allah lets move and rain down, over 300 000 tons of water is HEAVY. Also here and in 45:5 is spoken about winds as a sign, because only very fine and complex system prevents (other planets like) giant storms in earth when difference of temperature between poles and equator is over 120 degrees of celsius. 30:48 Also describes mechanism how rain is produced, how clouds come together and from their midst comes rain. Not obvious things (clouds/hails/rains) in the Saudi-Arabian desert. 72:16 "If they (the arabian pagans?) had (only) remained on the right way, We should certainly have bestowed on them rain (/water/stands for all kinds of blessings) in abudance." Here is good question. Could it be that next ice-age would had come earlier if there had not been need for (spreading of) Islam? Anyway it would have come to arabs as certain as it is coming to us for them also, were there Islam or not. Satellite pictures have found old places of rivers under Saudi-Arabian desert, so we know that in times of ice age climate is totally different there. This could also mean that if people in times of ice age had not gone astray, ice age would not have ended and deserts of Sahara and Arabia would still be green. MATHEMATICS: (Allah knows best) Let us end with mathematic codes that can be found from Koran. Islam or Koran does not tell to look for those, but clearly can be seen that those are there and that it also confirms as one more evidence (after muslims ability to memorize it) that Koran has not been chanced even by a one word: As example when Allah says in Koran that some things are alike, like that similitude of Jesus is same to Adam (3:59), He confirms it by mentioning both names 25 times in Koran. They were equally important, both had no father and Adam did not (at least according to bible) have even mother (should that make him bigger than Jesus for christians?). When Allah makes difference (for better and worst) He mentions another word once less, like in "Borrowing" (money) is mentioned 8 times and (taking too much of) "interest" only 7 times. This goes on. One great miracle is hints for distribution of water and land, Koran mentions about "land" 13 times and "sea" 32 times, combined 45 times: when calculated 32 out of 45 is 71.111% and 13 out of 45 is 28.889%, and those numbers are excact distribution of sea and land on earth. Here are some few other examples: Life/Life after death:115/115 Angels/Satans:88/88 Living/Dead:145/145 ; Man/Woman:24/24 Test/Giving thanks to Allah:75/75 Useful/Harmful:50/50 Loudly/Publicly:16/16 &nb sp; Brains/Light:49/49 Month/Day:12/365 &n bsp; Magic/(Some) things leading astray:60/60 (21) It is interesting also to get to know prophecys of prophet, there you can find for example (from 72 signs of Judgement Day) descriptions how (some) man will become womans and (some) womans will become man (like transvestites), and other human biology, behavior and character related prophecies. You can find description about drunks who cause lots of destruction on roads, arabs had to wander what it meant, when camel-driver is drunken camel still goes straight. Some more wonderful scientific and mathematic miracles of Koran (like calculation about speed of light found in Koran) can be found for example from www.answering-christianity.com Koran (in arabics) is like singing, its Suras each have different melodies and rythms (through arabic words and their order/places in Koran, pronauncing and dialect, even by pauses ordered to certain places and breathing techniques), from which you can notice even melodies and rythms of modern music. It truly is greatest song in the world, and even many non-muslim musicians have noticed it with respect (f.ex. song of Tenacious-D, Tribute, could well be made of it). Very interesting is also fact that although Muhammed clearly tried to bend arabian pagans, jews and christians to accept Islam, he still never tried to adopt or go with their views and writings/teachings/interpreting. From Islam can not be found world views or beliefs of arabs or Bible (like flood that covered "whole world" that from there are no signs), but it says it will correct mistages of those. And for example parts concerning creation in Koran goes in right order conformed by science, as in the Bible everything goes in wrong order, light before stars, sun before sky (/heaven/space), birds before land-animals. In fact even that is miracle that in Koran Allah says to have created us from nothing... 4:82 "Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy. " (22) JEESUS PROPHESIES ISLAM AND TOLD ABOUT (TIME OF BIRTH AND ORDER OF) "THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK" -RELIGIONS: (Allah knows best) From Dead Sea scrolls of Qumran, it can be clearly seen that deut.32:8 declared that jews were not only nation to have profets, as christians and jews claim, but that �sons of God� have been given to numerous nations as Islam teaches. This is how this part went in greek text: "When the Most High assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of (Qumran: �sons of God�) angelic beings." As in Dead Sea Scrolls, which read of the sons of God, and Greek version, which reads of the angels of god. Can word of God have so great conflict in matter so important, dividing religions? Translation to be continued, ins Allah.... ------------- NEW VERSION, AND LOT MORE NEW (IN LINKS AND MAIN PAGE): http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=102 1115 "KINGDOM OF GOD", ISLAM: http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/islam |
Posted By: DeExupery
Date Posted: 30 November 2005 at 1:28am
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Dear Abdu, While I respect your dilligence, have you tried to research concerning all the "science" or read more scientific sites? Fox ------------- Io Sogno L'anime, Che Sono Sempre Libere (Il Divo) |
Posted By: freebird
Date Posted: 30 November 2005 at 3:15am
The OP is large, so maybe you want discuss any particular topic somewhere above, or maybe a topic you have in mind?. I will join if I know the disputed topic first. Shall we start with the first one? |
DeExupery wrote: