delight wrote: I cannot post somethings in some forums and totally banned in intrafaith forum. I don't like this new policy.For one thing it gives moderators unlimited power.They can take away any privilege without giving warning or accountability.        If I have broken your rules,just ban me instead of humiliating a Muslim like this.

Unlimited power, their vision of Islam and what it is and should be based on their ideas. You are right. Total power corrupts totally. Therefore it turns the Islamic site into a dictatorship and deters Muslims from discussing Islam and what it is to them.

A sad, sad, sad reality.

Lameese

delight wrote: When you ban me from INTRA faith forum without giving any reason,it does concern me.I don't know what you mean by Inter faith forum.I never complained about that.

Intrafaith forum is strictly for islamic discussions. We cannot allow secular and non-islamic discussions on all forums, thus members shall be allowed access selectively.

There are several forums open for you, please confine your discussions to those.

Thank you,

Nausheen

 I have to agree a little bit with delight, If you ban somebody without thier knowlegde you are not giving them reason for there ban. You should at least tell people and give reason for being banned. 

 I relize this is a Islamic form, But thats a Intra faith borad. I am confussed. You have to allow some discuess about other religions, or maybe i am missing the point. Maybe they isulted Islam, if they did they I am in agreement for not allowing that.

aishag88 wrote:  I have to agree a little bit with delight, If you ban somebody without thier knowlegde you are not giving them reason for there ban. You should at least tell people and give reason for being banned.   I relize this is a Islamic form, But thats a Intra faith borad. I am confussed. You have to allow some discuess about other religions, or maybe i am missing the point. Maybe they isulted Islam, if they did they I am in agreement for not allowing that.

I think the reasons have been posted several times now. There is a formal note by Rami in Announcements telling averyone about the restrictions.

Intrafaith discussions accomodate topics dealing with differences in faith under the banner of Islam, not outside it.

To discuss other religions please go to Interfaith discussions.

Thank you,

Nausheen

Torrencedelay wrote: What this site needs is some educated monitors who do not feel threatened every time somebody disagrees with them.  It is a sign of intellectual insecurity to attempt to shut up anything you cannot understand or overcome.

I'm sorry, is this not your first day on the forum?

Lameeese was right...

I miss the good Ol days.. when people didnt close topics... and when Nausheen was Moderator and a Few other Notables.. She was sensible.. compared to the trigger happy people of the modern era.

I give this topic about few more posts before it Too is shut-down.. hahah.. .. but because I say that.. the Moderators will try to prove me wrong and let it stay open.. hmm.. a conundrum indeed..

People are often not afraid of intellectualism.. its just that they see things in Black and White.. and its never black and white.. The world is Grey.. Orange and fuchsia!.

People are emotional, and that leads to favoritism... its an "Islamic Forum" so who do you think will be favored... Those who toe the line... a modern-day Rumi.. Plato.. or Galileo wont be tollerated here.

Well, it appears that Muslims and their bedfellows are obviously the little pets - none of the monitors would survive on a site that required any depth of character - or an ability for critical thinking.

I wonder how quickly they can delete this?

Eh.. it will all blow over eventually.. They cant stifle new ideas for-ever.... The moderators are almost child-like... whatever doesnt fit in their little understanding gets cast aside...

Let me tell you about the story of Buddah which may help you to understand peace perhaps. Lets say I'm optimistic...

Buddha arrived in a village preaching the message of peace and tolerance. A young man in the village was outraged that such a man the same age as him should be showered with such welcome. Buddah noticed this young man and his anger for three days and than on the third day went over to him to have a chat.

Buddah asked the young man; "if you had a great gift to give to someone and they refused to take it, what would you do with your gift. The young man, very impetiously replied, "I will keep it". Buddah than replied, that the gift the young man was giving to Buddah was his "anger" and the Buddha refuses to take it.

If you are an intellectual and understand this, than perhaps consider at least the injustice you do to yourself by being such an angry person.

-ArabianKnight- wrote: Perhaps you're right .. With the Buddah STory... Though One day.. I still believe This forum might be different.

me too

I think we are just a couple of wishful thinkers

Bismillah,

-ArabianKnight- wrote: Eh.. it will all blow over eventually.. They cant stifle new ideas for-ever.... The moderators are almost child-like... whatever doesnt fit in their little understanding gets cast aside...

Stop insulting the responsible, hardworking moderators.  First of all, they are our brothers and sisters in Islaam.  Have respect for that basic fact.  Secondly, they have taken on a job which we should be grateful they are doing.  Your attitude is childish, not theirs, and you should stop insulting them and just make your own site if you don't like the rules in this one.  Send out invitations and maybe some people will join you.

Nausheen wrote: delight wrote: When you ban me from INTRA faith forum without giving any reason,it does concern me.I don't know what you mean by Inter faith forum.I never complained about that. Intrafaith forum is strictly for islamic discussions. We cannot allow secular and non-islamic discussions on all forums, thus members shall be allowed access selectively. There are several forums open for you, please confine your discussions to those. Thank you, Nausheen

Bismallah:

Intrafaith is what I call the Da'wa channel! No reason to become offended! Insha'allah I will leave that for the more experiences posters and moderators and there is plenty available elsewhere in the forum for other topics! Please brs and srs, don't become inflamed because you can't play there! NO one is out to get you!

135. O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well- acquainted with all that ye do.

Bismillah,

-ArabianKnight- wrote: wow.. it took you a long while to answer this one.. this is almost old news.... When the moderators stop being heavy handed.. no one really complains... Actually I'm pleasently suprised they havnt closed a thread in a week or so.. Maybe they're changing... or maybe they're just banning people alot quicker.. And just out of curiosity Herjihad.. what job is it that they're doing?... Protecting us from the boogiemen of the internet? Ps. I do have my "own Site".. and I am a moderator.. I know how tough it is.. but I also know how not to loose my objectivity.

Bismillah,

The moderators here edit and delete portions of posts, full posts, and users according to the guidelines that Islamicity has for us.  Why are there rules?  Hmmm.  Because there are?  Because we like to come to a place that is not littered with porno and swearing and personal or general attacks on Muslims because we live with that everywhere else.

I reiterate my request to everyone to stop attacking our moderators with personal insults.  Disagree with them all you want, but don't get insulting or rude.  We all lose our heads, but if you can't think of changing some thoughtless comments before you click the "Post Reply" button, you can edit your comment before anyone has seen it.  You can preview it to make sure it sounds fine.  You can apologize for rudeness even when you didn't mean it.  It 's okay.  Really.  Real men DO apologize.

-ArabianKnight- wrote: wow.. it took you a long while to answer this one.. this is almost old news.... When the moderators stop being heavy handed.. no one really complains... Actually I'm pleasently suprised they havnt closed a thread in a week or so.. Maybe they're changing... or maybe they're just banning people alot quicker.. And just out of curiosity Herjihad.. what job is it that they're doing?... Protecting us from the boogiemen of the internet? Ps. I do have my "own Site".. and I am a moderator.. I know how tough it is.. but I also know how not to loose my objectivity.

Assalam Aleikum.

I am also a moderator at another site (I do not own my own site), and I always maintain objectivity. I have found that many of the participants on the net simply read the discussions, and many have thoughts about converting to Islam. When a moderator starts to stack cards in favor of a particular faith, it becomes very transparent to the readers, and the forum can loose its intellectual credibilty on the net. May I ask you what site you run Br?  

herjihad wrote: The moderators here edit and delete portions of posts, full posts, and users according to the guidelines that Islamicity has for us.  Why are there rules?  Hmmm.  Because there are?  I reiterate my request to everyone to stop attacking our moderators with personal insults.  Disagree with them all you want, but don't get insulting or rude.  We all lose our heads, but if you can't think of changing some thoughtless comments before you click the "Post Reply" button, you can edit your comment before anyone has seen it.  You can preview it to make sure it sounds fine.  You can apologize for rudeness even when you didn't mean it.  It 's okay.  Really.  Real men DO apologize.

There are rules because there are?... wow... ... SO i bet There are apples because there are Oranges!

The moderators dont get attacked untill they do somthing to warrent it. When the moderators start acting out of their own personal feelings then there is a problem.. When a certain new moderator came to power - there were like 30 locked posts in matter of days. That is a little excessive. And I will call them out on it every time.

but of course you have nothing to fear herjihad.. you're their cheer-leader... i doubt you'd ever be moderated... The most annoying thing that moderators do, is play favorites on this forum. Just beacause somone is Muslim shouldnt be the reason that he/she is give more latitude compared to somone who is not.. or is ambiguous. and dont tell me it doesnt happen.. because I see it all the time... and i'm sure people will back me up on this. Islam is about alot of things.. one is being fair. Not just to your own, but everyone. And like Andalus said.. this place will loose intellectual credibility..

herjihad wrote: Because we like to come to a place that is not littered with porno and swearing and personal or general attacks on Muslims because we live with that everywhere else.

And just because somone slaps a Muslim sticker on somthing or somone doesnt give it a right from being critisized, stop pretending as if it Does. This isnt middle-ages christianity here...

PS. REAL MEN DOnt roll over and die.. or somthing like that... Use your Imagination.. But i Will say this.. latly the Moderators are doing a good job.. except for maybe that thread about the Mormons...  but they dont need my approval. They can incriminate them selves with their actions.

Andalus, I "moderate" "the pond"...from across the pond.... hah..  its not a muslim Forum... just so you know.

Bismillah,

The moderators dont get attacked untill they do somthing to warrent it.

Let's not attack them, especially personally.  Let's point out our differences as we do with each other, politely.

i doubt you'd ever be moderated...

Of course I have been and will be.

There is a whole wide world out there where you can do and say practically anything you want.  Why do you insist on changing the rules other people have made on this one forum, especially since you have your own that you moderate?  And if you want to change the rules here, why don't you start a post directed at that objective?

I'd like to have a liberals section for "moderate" Muslims to discuss things.  They denied this request especially since they said there is no such thing as a liberal Muslim et cetera.  I am looking for a forum such as that to join.  Do you know of one?

I found Across the Pond, but no Pond subblog.

Peace

ArabianKnight wrote:

There is an obviouse difference between personal attacks and genuine criticism. Most people can draw the distinction... somtimes when it involves religion emotions cause the line to be blurred. Everything is allowed to be critisized and debated... that is the point of free-will.

Yes, there is a difference, especially to the person the remarks are directed toward. The Moderators on the forum get PMs and private complaint messages every single day, usually from someone that feels they are being insulted, or they find the material offensive.

Just because you don't find something offensive doesn't mean that 50 other people don't. If we truly Edited or Deleted everything everyone wanted us to we really would be censoring everything.

Perhaps the majority of posters here are more sensitive because they want a more Islamic environment. That is what this forum is supposed to be. If this is not what you are looking for, there are plenty of other venues on the internet that will allow you to post anything you choose.