It's no Tea Party out there...
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Topic: It's no Tea Party out there...
Posted By: BillinDayton
Subject: It's no Tea Party out there...
Date Posted: 09 October 2011 at 6:58am
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As we head into the 23rd day of the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) protests, thousands of Americans have taken to the streets of a growing number of various cities and expressed their outrage at the abuse of large corporations, banks and the government against the "common man." For over two weeks, I've watched and listened as this movement claimed a pedigree straight from the uprisings earlier this year in Egypt's Tahrir Square.
I saw large, mostly youthful looking, crowds chanting and marching and sitting and in some cases, getting arrested. Their immediate intent is to physically take over Wall Street. Their long term goal is less clear. In general, "they" want to see more responsible behavior from the firms that run and benefit from our financial district. Who is against that? Its unclear to me how long this will go on. The protests seem to be gaining in number and locations all around the country. As unions and other labor groups join arms with OWS group, I think they will become more organized and begin to deliver a more defined "message" for all to hear. Read more... http://reasonableconversation.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-movement-its-no-tea.html - http://reasonableconversation.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-movement-its-no-tea.html |
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 09 October 2011 at 7:18am
Why not settle down, draw up a list of those demands, spell them out in enough detail so that there is no doubt of their meaning, figure out their budgetary implications, lay out a strategy for getting them adopted, and set about systematically developing a campaign around them?
Why not? Because that ends up playing the game, and the whole essence of the movement is to reject the game�s rules as it is being played, to produce change that includes each of these demands but goes much further to question the structures that make those demands necessary. The analogy to the heart of the Arab spring uprisings, to the civil rights movement, to the counter-cultural protests of the 60�s, are striking. http://pmarcuse.wordpress.com/ - http://pmarcuse.wordpress.com/ |
BillinDayton wrote:Posted By: BillinDayton
Date Posted: 09 October 2011 at 7:37am
| I think to try and effect such a grand level of both change and system is naive. One is difficult, the other almost impossible. To wail outside the current system, I think, will prove fruitless. |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 09 October 2011 at 10:23am
| Yeah, I think you're correct, however hopefully the pursuit for jobs and a respectable living won't prove fruitless as well. I am becoming concerned these protests will not turn into riots at some point. These are truly times of rapid change and profound uncertainty. |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 28 October 2011 at 8:35pm
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Here the rebuttal of the: �Declaration of the Occupation of New York City.� Here is that document, reprinted in its entirety: As we gather
together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must
not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people
who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we
are your allies. This part is really dumb. As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known. Duh... They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. R. How was that, you can't have what you can't afford! They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses. They
have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based
on age, the color of one�s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual
orientation. It was the affirmative act and the unions that destroyed America's manufacturing job base by letting the stu.pid antics rule the work place! They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization. It is your government that gives away farm subsidies and food stamps. Try telling your congressman to get rid of them! What poison are you talking about? They
have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of
countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices. I think all the human animals should be retrained to be good workers! They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions. The illegal aliens are ready to work for lot less. They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right. If they got real education then they wouldn't be saying this! I thought the high school was free! Which part is human right?...to be hostage or borrow money and not pay or what?  They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers� healthcare and pay. Ha ha so you finally got the message! You misbehave unionize and make boss's life miserable who can take the shop overseas, where people are hungry and will work diligently for the less! They aren't gluttons like you so they don't get sick much either. They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility. The corporations are like the unions that are run by human animals that is why court ruled they are what they are! Change the laws through your congress. They
have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get
them out of contracts in regards to health insurance. Name a few! They have sold our privacy as a commodity.  They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.  They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce. What is the role of your POTUS, COTUS & SCOTUS? They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them. You are right here for a change I mean hope and change candidate now sitting in the oval office! They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil. Oh really! Heard about Sylyndra like rip off for alternate solar energy projects ? They
continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people�s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit. I thought the socialist had the panacea in Obama care! They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit. Not making any sense! They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media. Start your own thing, Isn't it free country, If it is not then you have no where to go> They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt. You need to articulate a bit better way cuz it is jury of the peers that finds the person guilty! They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth. That is who you elected! They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.* Provide some proof! To the people of the world, We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power. Exercise
your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process
to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to
everyone Zuccotti Park is not a public owned. Anyway keep it clean! To
all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of
direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the
resources at our disposal. Join us and make your voices heard! *These grievances are not all-inclusive.
IT IS MATTER OF JOBS AND MORE BELLIGERENT YOU GET CHANCES ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN TO GET BETTER WHEN THERE ARE TWO BILLION DILIGENT AND HUNGRY PEOPLE IN DIRECT COMPETITION. THE DEMONSTRATORS HAVE NO PRAYER TO FIX THAT! ------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 29 October 2011 at 4:58pm
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Today lots of these knuckleheads were taken to enemy corporation owned hospitals for hypothermia treatment because an unexpected snow storm moved in! More waste of health care dollars and added burden on to the tax payers.
------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 29 October 2011 at 8:11pm
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Well let's face it Sign, the biggest issue is the spending on the military complex.. and the completely senseless wars it is funding. Things are a mess cause our core values are a mess. Not sure that will be changing anytime soon.. ------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 29 October 2011 at 11:52pm
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I agree Hayfa but the industrial part of the military industrial complex is fractured and whole thing is flailing in lost situation and it is absolutely unconscionable by the ruling junta to spend borrowed monies. The general public is dishonest for not speaking on this subject as you stated there are no core values. After that anything is possible except something good!
The Americans are in jobs war in which their own country men( that includes their presidents, congress and their neighbors) are fighting against them. Here are some very relevant findings. October 28, 2011 Majority of American Workers Not Engaged in Their JobsHighly educated and middle-aged employees among the least likely to be engagedby Nikki Blacksmith and Jim Harter
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Seventy-one percent of American workers are "not engaged" or "actively disengaged" in their work, meaning they are emotionally disconnected from their workplaces and are less likely to be productive. That leaves nearly one-third of American workers who are "engaged," or involved in and enthusiastic about their work and contributing to their organizations in a positive manner. This trend remained relatively stable throughout 2011.
These findings are from a special Gallup Daily tracking series conducted on an ongoing basis since the fourth quarter of 2010 to explore American workers' engagement levels. Gallup's http://www.gallup.com/consulting/52/Employee-Engagement.aspx - employee engagement index is based on worker responses to 12 actionable workplace elements with proven linkages to performance outcomes, including productivity, customer service, quality, retention, safety, and profit. Further research shows significant linkages between engagement at work and http://www.gallup.com/poll/147191/Actively-Disengaged-Workers-Jobless-Equally-Poor-Health.aspx - health and wellbeing outcomes . Americans' levels of engagement at work are generally consistent with http://www.gallup.com/consulting/142724/state-american-workplace-2008-2010.aspx - Gallup's trends on workplace engagement from various studies since 2000. The current percentage of engaged employees is similar to the historical high of 30% in 2001 to 2002 and 2006 to 2007. The percentage who are actively disengaged is near the high of 20% recorded in 2007 and 2008. Highly Educated and Middle-Aged Workers Less Likely to Be Engaged Americans who have at least some college education are significantly less likely to be engaged in their jobs than are those with a high school diploma or less. Additionally, workers aged 30 to 64 are less likely to be engaged at work than are those who are younger or older. Workers aged 65 and older are the most likely to be engaged in their jobs. Men are much less likely than women to be engaged at work. There are no significant differences in employee engagement by income level.
Implications for American Businesses and the U.S. Economy Over the past several decades, business and psychological researchers -- including http://www.gallup.com/consulting/52/Employee-Engagement.aspx - Gallup -- have identified a strong relationship between employees' workplace engagement and their respective company's overall performance. It is likely that organizations with engaged employees experience positive business performance, while workplaces with not engaged or actively disengaged employees are more likely to experience lower productivity. Gallup has also found that http://www.gallup.com/poll/148883/Engaged-Workers-Report-Twice-Job-Creation.aspx - engaged employees are twice as likely as those who are actively disengaged to say their employer is hiring. The national engagement data reveal that businesses in the U.S. -- and in turn, the U.S. economy as a whole -- might not be reaching maximum worker performance because of the high percentage of not engaged and actively disengaged employees. Increasing the percentage of engaged workers in the U.S. could spur a significant amount of job growth, as detailed in Gallup's latest book, http://gmj.gallup.com/content/147848/Coming-Jobs-War.aspx - The Coming Jobs War . Because jobs are more complex and require employees to have higher levels of skills and knowledge, business should be concerned that the more highly educated workers are less engaged. The less engaged employees are with their work and their organization, the more likely they are to leave to an organization. http://gmj.gallup.com/content/25402/book-center.aspx - Turnover can be costly , and turnover in professional roles, such as nurses or engineers, is more costly than turnover in entry-level or front-line roles. Organizations can do several things to increase their employees' engagement. Gallup researchers found that identifying and http://gmj.gallup.com/content/25402/book-center.aspx - hiring top management talent can influence workers' engagement and organizations' business performance. About the Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index The Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index tracks wellbeing in the U.S., U.K., and Germany and provides best-in-class solutions for a healthier world. To learn more, please visit http://www.well-beingindex.com/ - well-beingindex.com .------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
