Music in Islam
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Topic: Music in Islam
Posted By: bluenote333
Subject: Music in Islam
Date Posted: 31 January 2012 at 9:13pm
Hello to all. I have come here to inquire about the place of music in Islam, as this is a subject I would very much like to know more about. In my research, some have said flat out that music is not allowed in Islam, while others claim that singing and percussion (drum) are permissable. Then again, others claim that it IS allowed. There seems to be much differing opinion on the matter. It's been some years, but I've read the Qu'ran, know about the Sufi's and their relationship with song and dance, and am a fan of the outpouring of music that comes out of what may be called the Muslim world. It was a bit of a surprise to me when I first heard that music did not have a place in Islam. I would like to hear your opinions and I do so with an open mind. Thanks.
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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 2:37am
Hi Blue Note,
Most Music is not "halal" in Islam. Most music like others things, draws people into thinking of things, 1. other than Allal, the harram, brings us to mindlessness. In Islam we are supposed to be trying to think of Allah a often as possible. I am sure that you would agree, much of music is mindless, and makes you think of things one shouldn't... many instruments also pull a person away.
Music that is done in remembrance of Allah is usually ok...
Others can answer on a more scholarly note.
------------- When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 02 February 2012 at 7:24am
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Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 10 March 2012 at 3:00am
bluenote333 wrote:
Hello to all. I have come here to inquire about the place of music in Islam, as this is a subject I would very much like to know more about. In my research, some have said flat out that music is not allowed in Islam, while others claim that singing and percussion (drum) are permissable. Then again, others claim that it IS allowed. There seems to be much differing opinion on the matter. |
Hello Bluenote333.
Hope this helps you in your research:
Imam Suhaib Webb comments on music & singing in Islam. Interesting, do read: http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/muslims-gone-wild-suhaib-webb/ - http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/muslims-gone-wild-suhaib-webb/
Like someone here said, some kinds of music/songs are not really very nice/good. In that case, this is a nice test to use:
al-Qasim ibn Muhmmad* was asked about music and said the following:
�On the day of Judgement, when Allah distinguishes between truth and falsehood, where will music be?� So one could ask themselves if the kind of music they are listening to can be justified to Allah/God. This would rule out most of modern-day music.
http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/the-best-way-to-stop-listening-to-music/ - http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/the-best-way-to-stop-listening-to-music/
------------- "O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Posted By: W.S.
Date Posted: 11 March 2012 at 7:35am
Chrysalis wrote:
bluenote333 wrote:
Hello to all. I have come here to inquire about the place of music in Islam, as this is a subject I would very much like to know more about. In my research, some have said flat out that music is not allowed in Islam, while others claim that singing and percussion (drum) are permissable. Then again, others claim that it IS allowed. There seems to be much differing opinion on the matter. |
Hello Bluenote333.
Hope this helps you in your research:
Imam Suhaib Webb comments on music & singing in Islam. Interesting, do read: http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/muslims-gone-wild-suhaib-webb/ - http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/muslims-gone-wild-suhaib-webb/
Like someone here said, some kinds of music/songs are not really very nice/good. In that case, this is a nice test to use:
al-Qasim ibn Muhmmad* was asked about music and said the following:
�On the day of Judgement, when Allah distinguishes between truth and falsehood, where will music be?� So one could ask themselves if the kind of music they are listening to can be justified to Allah/God. This would rule out most of modern-day music.
http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/the-best-way-to-stop-listening-to-music/ - http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/the-best-way-to-stop-listening-to-music/
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Chrysalis, does this mean you don't listen to music? In any case, I read the stuff that your links led me to and it would seem, as you imply, that it's really up to you if you whether you should listen to music or not. How does one decide which music is OK and which is not? Sure, and lot of modern-day music could be ruled out using common sense, but where to draw the line?
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Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 11 March 2012 at 12:39pm
Salaam,
Can we Muslim move on? Or will we debate this music things till the end of time?
IMHO: Let's we agree on disagreement. Who think music is haram, that's fine, do not play/listen music. Who think music is halal please free to enjoy (listen/play) music, but please choose good beneficial lyrics, don't mix with alcohol and haram things when you perform music event.
------------- Salam/Peace,
Semar
"We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH)
"1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"
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Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 12 March 2012 at 12:03am
W.S. wrote:
Chrysalis, does this mean you don't listen to music? |
I have my phases. There are times when I listen to music. And there are times when I go months without listening to music. It depends on my level of imaan & environment.
In any case, I read the stuff that your links led me to and it would seem, as you imply, that it's really up to you if you whether you should listen to music or not. How does one decide which music is OK and which is not? Sure, and lot of modern-day music could be ruled out using common sense, but where to draw the line? |
Lets say in theory we should not listen to music. When it comes to practice, not everyone feels the same ease in implementing a concept. Everybody differs in what areas they are struggling. For some it is Gheebah (Backbiting), for others it is Hijab, Beard, Dress, or Music. Ideally we should be following whatever we learn is Islam - but those of us who find it easy to implement certain orders should have the patience and tolerance to accept other muslims who might be weaker in an area we are strong in.
As for how do we decide which music is ok (lesser evil) and which is not - that will be the same as a muslim determining how long I can keep my beard, what kind of Hijab will I be able to observe etc etc. Meaning, we all function according to our abilities and what we think we can do. Our goal should be to follow Qur'an and Sunnah... and for those who are not able to reach certain goals should keep trying their best and never stagnate.
So we use the Qur'an and Sunnah as a yardstick, and goal, and then we try our best to achieve it. Hope I answered your question. Let me know if I was not able to explain myself.
------------- "O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 12 March 2012 at 12:20am
W.S. wrote:
[QUOTE=Chrysalis] Sure, and lot of modern-day music could be ruled out using common sense, but where to draw the line? |
One can try draw a line in things are clearly and explicitly wrong. Even non-religious parents object to certain kinds of music their kids listen to. So I am sure religious parents and muslims can do a better job at governing themselves.
Music that is cultural, educational or can be enjoyed with one's family is definitely better than other forms of music. So the people who feel they are having a hard time quitting can choose these options over the other ones they have available.
I am learning a foreign language. Our teacher often plays songs in the language and asks us to translate and interpret the lyrics. He also encourages us to listen to certain songs & watch certain movies saying it will improve our vocabulary and pronunciation. Here I have to use my judgement and decide whether I want to take part in class activities and accept his teaching methodology - and whether or not the content he is using is acceptable for a classroom environment.
Those who feel that Music is haraam and don't listen to it, I have utmost respect in them for putting into practice. Those who listen to music, I will not make it an issue of priority that I want to address.
------------- "O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Posted By: W.S.
Date Posted: 13 March 2012 at 2:52pm
Chrysalis: I think you explained yourself very well and your words are reassuring.
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Posted By: dick514
Date Posted: 21 March 2012 at 6:57am
Chrysalis wrote:
W.S. wrote:
Chrysalis, does this mean you don't listen to music? |
I have my phases. There are times when I listen to music. And there are times when I go months without listening to music. It depends on my level of imaan & environment.
In any case, I read the stuff that your links led me to and it would seem, as you imply, that it's really up to you if you whether you should listen to music or not. How does one decide which music is OK and which is not? Sure, and lot of modern-day music could be ruled out using common sense, but where to draw the line? |
Lets say in theory we should not listen to music. When it comes to practice, not everyone feels the same ease in implementing a concept. Everybody differs in what areas they are struggling. For some it is Gheebah (Backbiting), for others it is Hijab, Beard, Dress, or Music. Ideally we should be following whatever we learn is Islam - but those of us who find it easy to implement certain orders should have the patience and tolerance to accept other muslims who might be weaker in an area we are strong in.
As for how do we decide which music is ok (lesser evil) and which is not - that will be the same as a muslim determining how long I can keep my beard, what kind of Hijab will I be able to observe etc etc. Meaning, we all function according to our abilities and what we think we can do. Our goal should be to follow Qur'an and Sunnah... and for those who are not able to reach certain goals should keep trying their best and never stagnate.
So we use the Qur'an and Sunnah as a yardstick, and goal, and then we try our best to achieve it. Hope I answered your question. Let me know if I was not able to explain myself.
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Posted By: Sara Sultana
Date Posted: 16 April 2012 at 5:47am
abuayisha wrote:
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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 19 April 2012 at 9:00pm
Salam,
The question of music is not an easy one to answer because it is hard to define music these days. Also for those of us who live here in the West, it is very hard to avoid as well. I went with my family to Books-a-Million today, there was loud rock and roll music on throughout the store. We went to Ross the next door, it was the same. This is the case with most places you need to go on a regular basis. And it is hard to avoid it, even though at home we do not play or listen to music, if you mean songs with instruments mainly expessing emotions or feelings. I personally cannot bear this "music" for more than few minutes.
Before I was a practicing Muslim, I used to listen to Pakistani, Indian, and English songs without paying attention to their contents, "for fun". Like many others I did not think there was anything wrong with that.
Alhumdolillah, now its a different story, after knowing about haram and halal. It was natural that when a song played in my mind from the past, I would slow it down in my head and pay attention to what it was saying. That's when I realized that I was not paying attention to the words before, and now that I do, most of those songs have content that are simply haram to say. When anything is haram to say, it is haram to listen or to do anything with it. As far as music, the instrumental part is simply, to enhance the emotions behind the words making them more effective. In my experience the music (the instruments) and its noise have a kind of numbing effect on the mind and I know that we should not use anything that takes away our ability to have complete attention from keeping our thoughts focused on more important things rather than blocking them.
Now that does not mean at all that as Muslims we don't have music in our lives. Here is the West, any rhythm is said to be music. When Adhan (Azan) is called, it is called with a very balanced voice and beautifully measured length of each phrase. In itself, it is music to the ears, but with the most useful message heard loud and clear without any enhancers (instruments), because its words and message do not need any help. And that is why we never heard any instrument played with Adhan.
There is a lesson in that, that if we listen to anything, it should be useful. And any useful words do not need anything (instruments) to support or enhance them.
After paying attention to the contents of most popular songs my conclusion is that their words are so weak in message and that background noise and instruments are essential to make them a sellable product.
Also, we can see the behavior that comes with music in general, a lot of other haram things take place in process of producing, performing and selling music as we know it, in general.
As Muslim, my goal is to stay away from anything that increase the distance between me and Allah. Instead, I'd rather do what will decrease the distance, the ultimate goal of this life. I can sing His praise by reciting beautiful suras and verses from the Quran, recite them clear, in a measured rhythm. That's the music Allah loves, and I feel I must do this at its best.
Hasan
------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 19 April 2012 at 9:55pm
honeto wrote:
Also for those of us who live here in the West, it is very hard to avoid as well. I went with my family to Books-a-Million today, there was loud rock and roll music on throughout the store. |
Indeed this is very true, however there is a subtle nuanced difference between listening to music and hearing music. At least this is what I tell myself when eating in a restaurant that plays music.
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