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neo01 wrote: yeah... and i also want to know why indian muslims hate india???

Hate India, did you say? Do you know who gave India its first nuclear bomb - or who is the current President of 'Bharat Mata (India)'?

But, then Muslims give refuge to Jews for 12 centuries - And look how the Jews are paying back to Muslims?

Yea!

Who the hell told that Indian Muslims hate India?

LOL

 neo01.

can I talk to your Indian friends and know exactly.  
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Pervez bhai... Its true that some Indian Muslims hate India.

I too want to talk to neo's Indian friends...

Salam everyone

muslims in india are harrassed even though they do good to their country.

thjhats why they hate india

India have the second highest muslim population in the world, after Indonesia.

I dont stand erect during the national anthem of India, and I make fun of national song.I dont believe that one can hate or love a 'country'.Its a simple portion of land.One can love or hate a person only.

So, in India, there r many good and bad people.But I believe, the population of nice and peace loving people is more than narrow minded peoples here.

thanx,

Dayem

irshad_m wrote: Good Haja, Mr. neo01 Read this first http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2476&PN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2476& ; ; ;PN=1 and let me tell you once for all if India used third-grade tactics like Pakistan , the name of Pakistan is out of the map of the world, why can't you just understand one thing, We are your brothers and not the US, the US is taking advantage of rift between Indian and Pakistan, Here in India their are muslims more then US, brothers do have disputes but a brother does not burn his brothers house, Why this terrorism in India, Just imagine what India can do if they do the same.

India is not as clean as we think it to be. Recently  I read an article about  http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050912&fname=Cover+Story+%28F%29&sid=1 - India's spy villages in the Outlook. And India's role in creating the LTTE mess in Sri Lanka is also well known.

Dont be Prejudiced Aslam!India is fine, as I say, the goverment consist of fine people.(Manmohan is ok I think).Maybe, when there is BJP in power, there is all this mess, u know, like anti-muslim christian or sikh attack.

Thanx,

Dayem.

Dayem wrote: Dont be Prejudiced Aslam!India is fine, as I say, the goverment consist of fine people.(Manmohan is ok I think).Maybe, when there is BJP in power, there is all this mess, u know, like anti-muslim christian or sikh attack. Thanx, Dayem.

What do you mean by prejudiced? I am only stating the facts. You know, often the reality bites, but its better to accept it than to live in one's own bubble. When the bubble bursts you fall straight to the ground.

Come on, I was not accusing u or anything.I only said India is FINE and nothing else.Not really GOOD, neither BAD.

I am only stating the facts.

now how can u be sure????Just cause outlook has some article, how can u jump to conclusions??I get all the story about Taliban and Osama, how bad they were, but did we believed?Nay.

Seeing is believing.

I call it prejudice because u r ignoring the part that this article migh be wrong!

Dayem wrote: Dont be Prejudiced Aslam!India is fine, as I say, the goverment consist of fine people.(Manmohan is ok I think).Maybe, when there is BJP in power, there is all this mess, u know, like anti-muslim christian or sikh attack. Thanx, Dayem.

I belong to a minorty group. And I think that the BJP was quite melowed down when in power. What did they do to hurt the minorities? Except the Gujarat Riots. That was Fundamentalism caused by Islamic fundamentalism.

It is because the work of opposition is to mellow down-or whaever-whosoever is in power, be it BJP, RJD or congress.See, wht is happening now.Every move of congress is being mellowed by BJP now.Thats the India for u.(and me, SIGH).

As for the Gujarat riot-what made u say that 'islamic fundamentalist' were involved?Even when the report on them confirm that the fire started because of some freak accident?And the evidence by people on train that kar-sevaks behaviour was indeed rude?Prejudiced, arnt u?

Actually, if I say that only Hindus were involved would also be wrong.For I wasnt there, I can only base my asumption on suspicious.

Quran says,49:12," O ye who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that (so abhor the other)! And keep your duty (to Allah). Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful."

And what BJP used to do for minorities.Well, there slogan was 'Hindu Rashtra', which means a Hindu Nation.They wanted the minorities to leave-and make India a complete Hindu Nation.

U r a christian, I believe?Graham Stains,and his sons were burned alive by these Hindu Extreamist.His crime?He use to tell people about christianity.

Regards, Dayem.

As for the Gujarat riot-what made u say that 'islamic fundamentalist' were involved?Even when the report on them confirm that the fire started because of some freak accident?

Yeah, jee, SOME RANDOM Freak accident, which was declared after Laloo came to power. Nicely staged!  

Personally,

I don't favor nor dislike any party. I think that the BJP is fine, and so is congress. I hate local parties like Laloo's RJD which don't give a hoot about the people.

And the evidence by people on train that kar-sevaks behaviour was indeed rude?Prejudiced, arnt u?

I'm just being rational. Kar Sevaks are rude, I agree, but since when is that a reason to torch them?   My opinion is, the muslims started it, they got it back.  Although, the Kar Sevaks aren't rational either, they're just as insane as the islamic radicals in india are.

And what BJP used to do for minorities.Well, there slogan was 'Hindu Rashtra', which means a Hindu Nation.They wanted the minorities to leave-and make India a complete Hindu Nation.

Yeah, it said that to get votes first. But what initiative did it take toward that so called "goal" in it's nealy 10 years in power?

U r a christian, I believe?Graham Stains,and his sons were burned alive by these Hindu Extreamist.His crime?He use to tell people about christianity.

Who is supporting hindu extreamists here? I'm not a practicing Christian btw. But in my records, bio-data, and all, I am one.

Stains, he was a bit of an extreamist himself you know? He converted many hindus and muslims into xtianity by paying them the money which was poured to him by the xtians in australia.

Regards.

Until Next Time:

Yeah, jee, SOME RANDOM Freak accident, which was declared after Laloo came to power. Nicely staged!

Very much possible.Lalu might have wanted votes from muslims.But banerjee report was kind-of convincing.

I don't favor nor dislike any party. I think that the BJP is fine, and so is congress. I hate local parties like Laloo's RJD which don't give a hoot about the people.

Same here, but I dont care who is in power.If the goverment is doing things to improve the condition of people here, be it RJD or BJP, and the PM is ACTUALLY sincere, be it Advani only, I will support him.

I'm just being rational. Kar Sevaks are rude, I agree, but since when is that a reason to torch them?   My opinion is, the muslims started it, they got it back.

I cant comment on this one; I dont like commenting on suspicion.When u say 'My opinion', u have got a COOL 50% chance that ur wrong.Where will it lead u to?Towards sin.Better shrug ur shoulder in these matters.

Although, the Kar Sevaks aren't rational either, they're just as insane as the islamic radicals in india are.

U know who is Radical when u talk bout religion?Someone who takes his/her religion book to be competely true, and follow or try to follow each and every word of his religion book.Gita dosnt ask us to kill innocents, neither do vedas or Qur'an.So, if a person is radical/extremist/fundamentalist towards his/her religion, then he will never DREAM of doing of these crime.

No, riots r caused becoz people dont have full knowledge about there religion.The same 'muslim' who u can see singing a gay filmi song, who dont care one bit for Qur'an, will be the forerunner in killing during riots.While the same hindu who could usually be seen eating beef at posh hotels, will be ready to slay anyone who harm cow during riots.

The world will be a beautiful place to live in if everyone here is a fundamental towards his/her religion.

Yeah, it said that to get votes first. But what initiative did it take toward that so called "goal" in it's nealy 10 years in power?

Banged Babri masjid.Caused riots.Etc, etc.

And these r all suspicion, again.I can never be sure.But anyway, it was there motto(hindu rashtra), rite?

And again it is very much possible that it was for vote reason only(I never thougt like that, thanx anyway).

I'm not a practicing Christian btw. But in my records, bio-data, and all, I am one.

Dont u believe in God?Or r u atheist?

Stains, he was a bit of an extreamist himself you know? He converted many hindus and muslims into xtianity by paying them the money which was poured to him by the xtians in australia.

Extreamist will never do anything like that.Thats impossible.As far as I know, he preached his religion and thats perfectly all right according to Indian law.And as for the money thing.............suspicion again.Did u actually saw him taking money or is it some one's word?Once again, u might or might not be wrong.50-50.u urself put it about Kar sevaks that since they were rude, it was no reason to torch them.The y didnt u apply that formula here?Unless u hav a reason which im overlooking, ur prejudiced.

Regards, Daem bin Anwar.

PS>By the way, come online more often.I had almost forgotten this topic!

Very much possible.Lalu might have wanted votes from muslims.But banerjee report was kind-of convincing.

Not really. The Bannerjee report itself was influenced by laloo. Why else did the report come out RIGHT AFTER Laloo was named as the Railway Minister?

U know who is Radical when u talk bout religion?Someone who takes his/her religion book to be competely true, and follow or try to follow each and every word of his religion book.Gita dosnt ask us to kill innocents, neither do vedas or Qur'an.So, if a person is radical/extremist/fundamentalist towards his/her religion, then he will never DREAM of doing of these crime.

I don't agree, Today, a radical is considered as a person who is willing to go to any extent (through violence) to convince people that his version of religion, (often far away from what it actually is) should be followed by everyone. That's whay I meant in my post. And also, it is a known fact that the muslims in Pak, India, Afghan, Indonesia, etc are quite radical, because they are hugely influenced by radical organizations.  Don't get me wrong, this doens't apply to each and every musalman in these nations. There are many excemptions like Abdul Kalam.  

And these r all suspicion, again.I can never be sure.But anyway, it was there motto(hindu rashtra), rite?

It WAS. That's ancient History now.   After it came to power, it's been an incredibly secular party!

[qoute] Dont u believe in God?Or r u atheist? [/quote]

I am an atheist.

And as for the money thing.............suspicion again.

Actually, his men have been arrested by the Orissa Govt for giving inducements to both Hindus and Muslims to convert. So it's not suspicion, it's a fact. People have filed cases against him saying that he has payed them the complete amount after conversion!!  

The y didnt u apply that formula here?Unless u hav a reason which im overlooking, ur prejudiced.

I never said that it was right did I? I have no reason to be prejudiced against xtians. I'm an xtian myself...by name. Although it wasn't right, and it was a barbaric event to torch him. But he isn't an angel either. For some reason many people try to cannonize him. And nothing could be further away from the truth.

PS>By the way, come online more often.I had almost forgotten this topic!

I will try. PS: R u male or female?

Regards. Until then .....

Not really. The Bannerjee report itself was influenced by laloo. Why else did the report come out RIGHT AFTER Laloo was named as the Railway Minister?

Very easy.<SUSPICION>Nitish was warned not to disclose the fact about the train-incident, so that Hindus may actually believe that Muslim were responsible.But Lalu who wanted justice (and needless to say, votes) disclosed the fact.</SUSPICION>And anyway, Banerjee report was taken out only after some time.The proof banerjee gave were very convincing, have u rea them?Tell u what, let us wait for the nanavati report, and hope there reason convince us completely.

I don't agree, Today, a radical is considered as a person who is willing to go to any extent (through violence) to convince people that his version of religion, (often far away from what it actually is) should be followed by everyone. That's whay I meant in my post. And also, it is a known fact that the muslims in Pak, India, Afghan, Indonesia, etc are quite radical, because they are hugely influenced by radical organizations.  Don't get me wrong, this doens't apply to each and every musalman in these nations. There are many excemptions like Abdul Kalam.

And what is wrong in convincing others that there religion is the best?I wont mind a christian telling me about his religion(as being best).If that actually is the difference in reality, THEN I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT I AM RADICAL.U know what, I try to convince people that my religion is the best.I still stand by my earlier statement, if everyone is radical, then there gonna be no problemos in this world.Everyone will try to convince that his/her religionis the best.And we all know, satyamev jayate.Truth always wins.

It WAS. That's ancient History now.   After it came to power, it's been an incredibly secular party!

Oh yeah?Overloking the riots, r u?Anyway, I think that till the BJP is combined with parties like Bajrang Dal,Shiv Sena RSS and VHP(whose clear aim is Hindu Rashtra), there is high chance that they may swing any movement.

And as for being 'incredibly secular', have u noticed what they were deciding when BJP were in power?They(its branches) said that Atal and Advani should step down and make way for the younger generation.

I am an atheist.

Hehe..who do u think created univese?Who do u think created U?

People have filed cases against him saying that he has payed them the complete amount after conversion!!

LOLZ....and why should they 'file cases' when they r getting money?So they were playing double dirty on Stains?ie, agree to get the amount and when they gt it, file cases.Did they return the amount?And how r we supposed to know that what they said was truth?And ppl r not sooooooooooooo stupid...neither I hope was stains, that they convert after getting money.

But he isn't an angel either. For some reason many people try to cannonize him. And nothing could be further away from the truth.

Exactly.He might not have been good, but was neither bad.

[QUOTE]PS: R u male or female?[QUOTE]

Male here.

Thanx,

Dayem.

MashaAllah India finished fourth in the recent Commonwealth Games in Australia with 22 Gold, 17 silver and 11 bronze! India seems to be doing well in too many fields - education, IT, economically, & even in sports. Indian Muslims love their country and proud to be Indians. One of my relatives also fought in both the Indo-Pak wars on the Indian side.

I don't understand why the narrow minded accuse Indian Muslims of not being patriotic. Perhaps only because they practise Islam?

maryga, in india, there are people of different religions.

why don't these narrow minded people target other religions?

why only we muslims?

let me tell that the indian muslims love their country and happy to be  indians.

ak_m_f, please see what bharatiya wrote.

[QUOTE=bharatiya]

Who the hell told that Indian Muslims hate India?

[QUOTE/]

what does this have to do with the gujarat riots and babri masjid incidents?

you are taking the statement as ' who the hell told that indian hindus hate indian muslims? '

those incidents and events which you mentioned say that at that time indian hindus hated indian muslims. but it does not say that indian muslims hate india.

now things are a lot different in india, and people are living with harmony.

indian muslims love india and happy to be born in india.