Well, notwithstanding thousands of years, sadly women and children suffer greatly from war and conflict, and it is my hope that people of moral conscious understand that  there must be a limit to everything.  How can over 3 million people endlessly live under occupation with little hope for the future?  What a complete shame.  I really wish the international community would offer the Arab and Christian Palestinians an exit from Israel, those who desire to leave anyway, because staying is really hopeless and obviously a pain in the neck for the west and Arab world.

Blake wrote: I think your putting the west in an entire negative focus ...

My intention is to put both sides in a negative focus.  There is plenty of blame to go around here.

Blake wrote: Ron , I agree with a lot of what you say,  but how long now have missiles been fired into Israel?

I honestly don't know.  About as long as Israel has existed, I suppose.  And how long has Israel mistreated the Palestinians?  About as long.

Even if tel aviv was reduced to rubble by rockets.

Not even close.   Have a look at Wikipedia's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#Fatalities_1948.E2.80.93present - table comparing the deaths on both sides in recent history (and note that the data comes from Jewish sources).  Since 1987, there have been more than five Palestinians killed for every Israeli; and in the past decade the ratio is more like ten to one.

I don't see any European Country wanting to get involved.  Some one is going to stop them from firing rockets?  realistically ..WHO?

Who stopped South Africa from maintaining its apartheid policies?  Nobody; but it wasn't necessary.  South Africans just got tired of being a pariah nation.  And so would Palestine, eventually, once it becomes crystal clear that they are the aggressors.

One thing is obvious: the Israelis aren't gonna stop them.  Decades of history have demonstrated that.  On the contrary, bombing Palestine only increases Israeli casualties.

Unfortunantly the Jews will have to retaliate just to limit the ability of the Palesinians to be able to shell them.

Okay, how about this?  The Jews can consider retaliating after Israeli casualties begin to approach the Palestinian level over the last decade or so.

Or here's an even better idea.  How about actually treating the Palestinians like human beings?  They've tried bombing and blockading and invading and stealing their territory -- and oddly enough, that hasn't made the Palestinians any less hostile.  Like I said, it's the definition of insanity to keep doing the same things over and constantly expect a different result.  If you want a different outcome, try something different.

Blake wrote: But Ron, Israel mistreating Palestinians , gives license to fire missiles into Israel without retaliation?

No!  Absolutely not!  But this is not an either/or situation.  You don't have to choose a side in this.  It is logically possible to be critical of both sides.  

I would also say the Palestinians have been mistreated by the Iranians who are using them in their Proxy war. Instead they could have been helping the Palestinians acheive economic prosperity with the same efforts.... teaching them to live in peace and prosperity which is what Islam is supposed to be all about.

Indeed, and Israel could be doing the same thing.  If they really wanted to end the hostility, that's what they should do.  But I'm not holding my breath.

When I'm talking about Tel Aviv being reduced to Rubble... I'm not beingg serious,... that's the point. That's how long it would take for anyone to stop the Palestinians from sending over their rockets. Basically never I think.........

Yes, I understand that.  I just think it's important to keep reminding people of the asymmetry of this "war".  The Palestinians are not an existential threat to Israel.

So....  why is it that Israel turned over the Gaza to the Palestinians in the first place?  They WERE trying to treat them like human beings.... I think.

"Turned over"?  You mean gave back, after having invaded and captured it in 1967?  The Palestinians are supposed to be grateful for that?

I'll agree with you though that this was a missed opportunity for the Palestinians to reciprocate.  There have been so many missed opportunities, on both sides.

I think the problem is you got some Palestinians who truely want a Palestinian State and to exist in peace with Israel. Then you got the Palestinians who are aligned with Iran who want a Religious Caliphate including the ground under the Israelis AT ANY COST including their own.

That's right.  There are moderates on both sides, and they need to reach out to each other.  More importantly IMHO, they need to stand in opposition to the extremists in their own communities and resist the temptation to retaliate.  That's going to be tough, especially when the bombs keep exploding in their neighbours' yards, as they undoubtedly will for some time.

See, not much has changed since Adolf Hitler visited Jerusalem in 1938 to strenghen his Alliance with the Arabs against the Jews. The Jews were being exterminated from both ends..... is it any wonder the Israelis have the mind set they do? If they don't defend themselves they will no longer exist.

Again, this is hyperbole.  Israel's existence is not threatened by the Palestinians.  It may be threatened by other nations such as Iran, but attacking the Palestinians only increases that threat.  It does nothing to reduce it.

Blake wrote: It seems to me however that since before the summer when rockets were being fired into southern Israel, It barely made footnotes in the news.  And now suddenly when Israel decides they will take no more, Anderson Cooper has his face all over the TV.  why is that? perhaps if they had made a big deal about the rockets being fired for many months.... it MAY have made a difference in international opinion. I wouldn't be supprised if there are parts of the Arab world where civilians are not even aware of rockets being fired from Gaza... or thay believe it is just a lie. It wouldn't suprise me one bit.

How many Israelis were killed in those rocket attacks?  Was anybody killed?  And how many Palestinians have been killed (so far) in the Israeli retaliation?  Again, you can't treat this as a symmetrical situation.

Reports of Palestinian attacks against Israel are not suppressed in the Arab world.  They are celebrated, and the perpetrators are heroes.

As for the Hyperbole, well ... you have to remember the Arabs were Allies of the Nasis in the war, and were recruited by them to kill jews in europe and hunt them down throughout North Africa as well as other parts of the Middle East.

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers - list of Nazi allies is long and infamous.  If England and Germany can put that ancient conflict behind them, then surely the Israelis and the Palestinians can do the same.  And by the way, I'll take your word for Muslim involvement with the Nazis, but the Wikipedia article makes almost no mention of it.  The only reference to Muslims is with respect to Iraq, which was "briefly an ally of the Axis".  I'm not sure why you would hold that against the Palestinians, except out of pure stereotyping and prejudice.

And as to Jews aiding the Palestinians economically.... remember when They took over Gaza, they were given 3,000  green houses to which they could have grown vegetables or any crop ... paid for by American Jewish donors. These cost Millions of dollars. They were stripped down and destroyed in days by the Palestinians... so I think that the thing maybe people don't realize is that the people there may be very difficult to get along with.

That is really a low blow.  The greenhouses were looted by a lawless mob, and the Palestinian authorities were powerless to prevent it.  To turn it around and blame it on the Palestinians authorities themselves is like blaming the victim.

Maybe the real answer will have to come from Moderate Islamic nations who can somehow help the Palestinians shed the teachings of Hammas, if that is possible.

That's certainly part of the solution.  Do you think that bombing and/or invading Gaza is going to help that process, or hinder it?

Ron Webb wrote: How many Israelis were killed in those rocket attacks?  Was anybody killed?  And how many Palestinians have been killed (so far) in the Israeli retaliation?  Again, you can't treat this as a symmetrical situation.

Hi Ron,

I have to ask... if someone were constantly, consistently, regularly, throwing stones at your house and always breaking the windows, knocking down fences and walls... wouldn't you hit back with all the force you had to send a message to make it stop?  What recourse do you think you might take?  What would anyone do to protect themselves and their property?

That's certainly part of the solution.  Do you think that bombing and/or invading Gaza is going to help that process, or hinder it?

Caringheart wrote: I have to ask... if someone were constantly, consistently, regularly, throwing stones at your house and always breaking the windows, knocking down fences and walls... wouldn't you hit back with all the force you had to send a message to make it stop?  What recourse do you think you might take?  What would anyone do to protect themselves and their property?

You mean, if the neighbour kept smashing my property, would I go and shoot his kids?  No, I wouldn't.  Would you?

That's certainly part of the solution.  Do you think that bombing and/or invading Gaza is going to help that process, or hinder it? At what point do you have to put your foot down?  What is it that these people will understand?

Yeah really, eh?  At some point you just have to start killing people.  It's the only thing that will teach them not to kill people.

But you forgot to answer my question.  Do you think that bombing and/or invading Gaza is more likely to promote peace, or prolong the war?  Why would you think that bombing Gaza will make the Palestinians less likely to retaliate, when bombing Israel it makes the Israelis more likely to retaliate?

Land for peace did not work, it was only turned into land for terror.

Like I said, the "land" you're talking about was not a gift.  It was stolen from the Palestinians and was only returned after years of UN resolutions ordering them to give it back.  You still seem to think that it was some kind of magnanimous gesture for which the Palestinians should be grateful.

How in the world can trust ever be built when one side refuses to lay down arms, stop the attacks, and work towards building their own nation... work towards peace between nations?

Yes, that is the challenge.  It's probably not reasonable to expect perfect compliance on the Palestinian side with any ceasefire. Remember that "lawless mob" I mentioned earlier, the one that looted those greenhouses?  If the authorities couldn't even stop petty crimes like that, do you really think they have perfect control over the paramilitary extremist groups within their borders?  In its current condition, lacking even basic resources and infrastructure, Gaza is constantly teetering on the edge of chaos.  It must be a nightmare to try to govern.  Rocket attacks may continue sporadically even with the best of intentions on the part of the authorities.

(Stop tilting at windmills and start building them instead)

Yeah, great suggestion.  Are you aware that until 2010 the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_allowed_or_banned_for_import_into_Gaza - embargo prohibited construction materials (concrete, steel, asphalt, insulation, etc.) from entering Gaza, and even now such supplies are severely restricted?

Blake wrote: Unfortunately there is a one way bais in news reporting and it is actually hurting the Palestinians in the end of it all.

The reality is that the situation is asymmetric: there is far more death and destruction on the Gaza side.  Do you want the media to report that reality, or would you rather have some make-believe fantasy story that suits your ideology?

True as you say, very few Israelis have died... mostly because they have an early warning system, shelters and are not as densly packed in. And on the Palestinian side they have civilians right next to Rocket batterys and headquarters. Its not that Israel is targeting civilians, but it is portrayed as so

Nobody (at least nobody credible) is saying otherwise.  That doesn't change the body counts.

But as Caring Heart says....   yeah, if someone was shooting a gun at your house every day..... and only occasionaly wounded one of your family members, it would be very likely that you would take some action based on the psycological effect, that may even be disproportionate.

Maybe so.  But it would be morally wrong, and pragmatically counterproductive.  Let me ask again: do you think that bombing and/or invading Gaza will help or hurt Israel in the long run?

Ron Webb wrote: You mean, if the neighbour kept smashing my property, would I go and shoot his kids?  No, I wouldn't.  Would you? Yeah really, eh?  At some point you just have to start killing people.  It's the only thing that will teach them not to kill people.

Ok, points taken.   But what would you do to put an end to it?  In civil situations we turn to the law established by the government to be enforced.  So this is much more complicated. 

So in answer to your question... in matters of nation against nation the matter has always, always, been settled by who had the greater power.  Most know when to back down for the sake of self preservation.  Every intelligent general knows when to retreat.  This constant warring has to do with a poisonous ideology.

Yes, that is the challenge.  Rocket attacks may continue sporadically even with the best of intentions on the part of the authorities.

This is why I say the ideology must change.  This is why education is key.

Are you aware that until 2010 the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_allowed_or_banned_for_import_into_Gaza - embargo prohibited construction materials (concrete, steel, asphalt, insulation, etc.) from entering Gaza, and even now such supplies are severely restricted?

Ron Webb wrote: Blake wrote: Unfortunately there is a one way bais in news reporting and it is actually hurting the Palestinians in the end of it all. The reality is that the situation is asymmetric: there is far more death and destruction on the Gaza side.  Do you want the media to report that reality, or would you rather have some make-believe fantasy story that suits your ideology?

If I may interject here... I am in agreement with Blake.
What we are saying is that the reporting on both sides must be done, not just the one side.  Israel has been under constant attack for a very extended period of time before they retaliated... but during all that time it was not at all being reported in the general media, so it makes this retaliation seem unjustified.  Why do we only hear about the attacks on Gaza and not the attacks on Israel that they live with every day?  People are being wounded regularly in Israel also.

Caringheart wrote: So in answer to your question... in matters of nation against nation the matter has always, always, been settled by who had the greater power.  Most know when to back down for the sake of self preservation.  Every intelligent general knows when to retreat.  This constant warring has to do with a poisonous ideology.

Sorry, if that was an answer to my question, I must have missed it.  My question was, do you think that bombing and/or invading Gaza will help or hurt Israel in the long run? 

Why do you say the land was stolen?

Because it was taken by force during the Six Day War in 1967.

Let me ask this... How is it that the Jews were able to enter into a desolated country and rebuild it?

Because the Jews were not living under foreign occupation or subject to a blockade of basic necessities.

Are you saying that it is impossible for the people living in Gaza to make their own materials for building... are they not able to be innovative?

How do you make concrete without portland cement?  How do you make steel without iron, not to mention a huge industrial infrastructure and capital investment?

Or do you expect them to build a modern civilization out of sticks and sand?

All that money spent on all those weapons, and all that ammunition, could be better spent in actually doing good for people instead of continuing senseless ideological battles.

Good point.  You would think the Israelis would have learned by now.

in the run up to the Six-Day War, Israel�s existence seemed to hang in the balance. As the armies of Egypt, Syria and Jordan openly prepared for battle against Israel, and Arab leaders and the Arab "street" called for its destruction, Israel faced frightful choices.

The tensions continued to mount while Israel�s Prime Minister Levy Eshkol insisted, even as more and more Arab troops massed on the borders, that diplomatic attempts to resolve the crisis be exhausted before Israel would consider military action.

This was the nature of the Arab-Israeli conflict before the Six-Day War, or in other words, before Israel ever occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Often, in current discussions about the Middle East, Israel�s occupation is mischaracterized as the primary, if not the sole, cause of the conflict rather than an effect of it. Many journalists, unfamiliar with the relevant facts and context, and mistakenly believing that the starting point of Mideast tensions is the "occupation," may present flawed accounts that suggest the resolution of the tension can be achieved more or less simply by ending Israel's presence in the territories. This ahistorical description is found all too often in the U.S. media, but even more pervasively in the European setting.

The Six-Day War � the third major Arab-Israeli conflict � was in a sense a continuation of the first two wars. Broadly speaking, the causes of the fighting in 1967 overlapped with the causes of fighting in 1948 (Arab rejection of Israel) and 1956 (continued rejectionism and an Egyptian blockade of shipping to Israel). See here for more.

Specifically, the war stemmed from Egypt's decision to expel United Nations troops from the Sinai peninsula and blockade Israel's port of Eilat, under international law a casus belli, or act of war, in addition to belligerent Arab threats to destroy Israel.

Caringheart wrote: But, how did any civilization begin?  How did any civilization build itself?  Bricks are made of sand and straw, or mud and clay.  People have been living in the land of Palestine a very long time.  How have they done it in the past?

Yes, civilization built itself up from sand and straw.  And it took thousands of years.  Pardon me if I don't think that's a reasonable suggestion.  Pardon the Palestinians if they are not content to be pushed back into the Stone Age.

Now as to my answer to your question... I guess there is no answer, we will have to wait and see.

Of course there is an answer, and I think you know very well what it is.  Every act of aggression on one side leads to new acts of aggression from the other side.  You see that plainly when Palestinians attack Iraelis.  Why can you not see it (or admit it) when Israelis attack Palestinians?

Caringheart wrote: Ron Webb wrote: Blake wrote: Unfortunately there is a one way bais in news reporting and it is actually hurting the Palestinians in the end of it all. The reality is that the situation is asymmetric: there is far more death and destruction on the Gaza side.  Do you want the media to report that reality, or would you rather have some make-believe fantasy story that suits your ideology?

If I may interject here... I am in agreement with Blake.
What we are saying is that the reporting on both sides must be done, not just the one side.  Israel has been under constant attack for a very extended period of time before they retaliated... but during all that time it was not at all being reported in the general media, so it makes this retaliation seem unjustified.  Why do we only hear about the attacks on Gaza and not the attacks on Israel that they live with every day?  People are being wounded regularly in Israel also.

Blake wrote: I thought I had agreed with this one point before....    Yeah your right, the strikes will hurt Israel in relations with world opinion and negotiations ( in my opinion). At the same time ... I can understand why they are doing what they are doing.....

So can I.  I can also understand why the Palestinians are doing what they are doing.  But it's still wrong, both morally and pragmatically.

... but I can't REALLY understand because I'm not in their shoes..... or the shoes of the palestinians for that matter because there is a definate line between the average person there and HAmmas who have hijacked the country.

Hijacked?  They won in a fair election, didn't they?  Do you really think that they don't represent the majority of Palestinians?

Caringheart wrote: Others have done it... have had to do it.  How do you think America was settled?  How about Australia?

Those were pre-industrial societies.  You can't whittle an iPod out of a block of wood.  Also, you can't compare settling an entire continent with a rich diversity of resources to a relatively tiny patch of semi-desert.

And anyway, who cares?  The Palestinians, like all peoples, have an inherent right to autonomy.  Why should they have to put up with blockades and occupation by a hostile foreign power?

If that were true none of the previous wars would have ever ended.  Wars end when one recognizes that it is overpowered by the other and either desists in their aggression or is made to desist.

But don't you see? -- the previous wars didn't end.  They just took intermissions to bury their dead and re-arm.  This fight has been going on for decades, or centuries depending on how you count it.  Don't you remember the Web site you quoted earlier? "The Six-Day War � the third major Arab-Israeli conflict � was in a sense a continuation of the first two wars."  Of course it was.  And every other clash has been a continuation of that.

and the other part of it... Israel is not attacking, it is defending itself.  I have not seen Israel go on the attack, only seek to defend itself from attack.

Just as the Palestinians are defending themselves.  Let me remind you: they are living under a foreign occupation.  Don't you think that gives them a right to defend themselves?  That doesn't mean I approve of their tactics, let alone the strategic wisdom of bombing civilians etc., but let's not pretend that the Palestinians don't have legitimate grievances.

Blake wrote: I guarantee if Syria was firing rockets into Turkey every day for 8 months or so ... they would do something about it. Any other country in the world would.

And I guarantee you that if Syria was under occupation by Turkey, and blockaded from getting even basic essential goods, they would do something about it.

And if both conditions existed simultaneously, then we would have another unending conflict, until one side or the other, or better still both, had the wisdom to break the vicious circle.

Blake wrote: What if you were the Israeli leadership?  And you had the Responsibility of protecting your citizens. The Arabs who were surrounding you... who you just had a war with.. shared the philosophy of Adolph Hitler regarding your existence.

I would launch the most massive, dramatic and comprehensive rebuilding and humanitarian aid program ever seen on this planet, designed to catapult the Palestinians out of poverty and restore their dignity and autonomy.  I would make it so generous that only a fool (or a hopeless ideologue) would consider bombing their benefactors.  (And even at that, it would probably be a fraction of what they are spending on the military now.)

I would couple that with a cooperative approach to policing and/or monitoring the activities of extremists and militants, who no doubt will be doing all they can to provoke a resumption of mutual hostilities.  After all, if the fighting stops, they're out of business.

Would it work?  Sure.  Will it ever happen? Of course not.  Because the dirty little secret of the Middle East is that neither side really wants this conflict to end.  To a large extent, they are defined by their mutual hatred.  They would rather suffer the consequences of an unending war than to see their enemy prosper.

The thing is, Israelis are not trying to eliminate the Palestinians..... but there are many Arabs throughout the region who want to eliminate The Jews completely.

I'm not so sure about that.  If they thought for a moment that the world would let them get away with it, I bet the Israelis would happily bomb the Palestinians into oblivion once and for all.

Blake wrote: http://www.aish.com/jw/me/Israels-Support-of-the-Palestinian-Economy.html - http://www.aish.com/jw/me/Israels-Support-of-the-Palestinian-Economy.html

Thanks for the link.  I don't have time to comment on all the points made in that article, but here are the first few:

(1) In September 2012, with the Palestinian Authority (PA) facing severe financial strain due to a shortfall in international donations and significant overspending, Israel advanced the PA 250 million shekels in tax revenues to aid the Palestinian economy. Similarly, in July 2012, Israel advanced the PA 180 million shekels to ensure that the salaries of PA employees were paid before the Muslim holiday of Ramadan.

By "advance" I presume they mean a repayable loan.  Just for comparison, Israel spends about http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2012-08/14/content_15675953.htm - 50 billion shekels annually on their military.

(2) Since the signing of the 1993 Oslo accord, real GDP per capita in the West Bank has increased considerably. From 1998-2011, these numbers grew from about $1,750 to about $2,000 according to the June 2012 U.S. congressional report U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians. The report also notes that Gaza experienced a considerable rise in real GDP per capita from 2002-2005 before the Hamas takeover.

That's nice, but I don't know what it has to do with Israel.

(3) In order to reduce the level of Palestinian unemployment, Israel has increased the number of permits for Palestinians to work in Israel - by 40% since February 2011.

You don't see the irony of this?  First Israel invades their territory, steals their land and establishes Jewish settlements.  They carve up the remaining Palestinian areas into tiny enclaves that cannot be economically self-sufficient.  Then they issue permits to allow the Palestinians back onto their own land as foreign workers to provide cheap labour.  And again you expect the Palestinians to be grateful for this?

(4) Despite the constant barrage of rocket attacks emanating from the Gaza Strip, Israel provides most of the electric supply for both the West Bank and Gaza. Approximately half of Gaza�s electricity is supplied directly from Israel by way of the Israel Electric Corporation (IEC). The remaining supply comes mostly from the Gaza Power Plant (GPP), which is funded not by Hamas but by the Palestinian Authority.

Awfully nice of them, considering that Israel is the main reason Gaza can't supply its own power.  Due to the blockade, the Gaza Power Plant depends on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17028000 - fuel smuggled in via tunnels from Egypt.  That's when it's operating at all, but until recently it was shut down completely due to http://www.imemc.org/article/64005 - Israeli air strikes .

Blake wrote: So you think the majority of Palestinians in Gaza want to be firing rockets into Israel? Rockets that are fired in close proximity to their homes making them targets??

Yeah, I think so.  Just as I think that the majority of Israelis want to punish the Palestinians via the blockade, colonization, etc., even though they know it will result in rockets landing on their front lawns and suicide bombers on their buses.  Like I said, they would rather suffer the consequences of an unending war than to see their enemy prosper.

Blake wrote: But I still really feel that Israel made a step forward by removing settlements from Gaza and had that been met with some kind of thanks instead of rockets fired, much more progress could have been made by now. For instance there wouldnt be any reason to have a blockade and economic growth would be much better in that region.

I agree.  Plenty of blame to go around.

But as to the Land being stolen, that was captured in a war....  that the Palestinians were at least equally responsible for along with the other Arabs who wanted to wipe out Israel.

As far as I'm concerned, the guy who throws the first punch is the one who started the fight.  "I didn't like the way he was lookin' at me" is not an excuse IMHO.

Ron Webb wrote:  Why should they have to put up with blockades and occupation by a hostile foreign power?

The Six-Day War � the third major Arab-Israeli conflict � was in a sense a continuation of the first two wars. Broadly speaking, the causes of the fighting in 1967 overlapped with the causes of fighting in 1948 (Arab rejection of Israel) and 1956 (continued rejectionism and an Egyptian blockade of shipping to Israel).

Don't you think that gives them a right to defend themselves?

Dr. Hamid: "If you have Russia or China becoming strong, at least they care for the absolute value of life. You can put your issues on the table and say: �Neither of us wants to be destroyed. So let�s find a way to live in peace.� But

with Iranian radicals, the rules are different. They desire your destruction, and are undeterred by self-destruction. "

Dr. Hamid: I will never forget when the Israeli Air Force was above Cairo in 1967 in a war initiated by the Arabs. The Israelis could have destroyed all of Cairo but they did not. I know very well that if the opposite had happened and the Egyptian Air Force was above Tel Aviv, they would not have hesitated for even a moment to destroy the entire city.
http://www.aish.com/jw/me/My_Life_as_an_Egyptian_Muslim_Radical.html

Assalamu Alaikum/Peace be on you,

Here is an informative lecture by Miko Peled, the son of an Israeli general:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ

Caringheart wrote: Again... What would you want, or expect, your country to do if you were being threatened?

If you mean the Palestinians, I would expect them to fight back, just as they are doing.  I wouldn't advise it in this case, but it is a natural and understandable response.

An ipod is not a necessity of life.

Hasan has chosen to focus on another statement to indicate your arrogance, but IMHO this is the worst.  You really do want to force the Palestinians back to the Stone Age, don't you?

Your forum name is becoming increasingly ironic.

And I love your plan if it would work. That approach worked with Germany after WWII when the world realized its mistake of not helping Germany to recover after WWI.  It does not work with Muslims.  They are offended by any assistance coming from what they see to be the infidel.  They would rather die.  So just as Blake says... there would be no appreciation, no building of good will, only more resentment.  As I keep saying, this is the product of an evil ideology.  One that promotes dissention among people rather than peace and love.  It is the ideology that has to change... to be gotten rid of.

You're very close to the line here.  If you want to continue to participate in this forum, I'd suggest that you choose your words more carefully.