why you want to know ?

mankind wrote: Sorry but most of you r just saying it's haram.thas it...and wats u loving bob marley got to do with this..we are talking about islam...and by saying intoxicant...isnt cigz intoxicant in a way how cum that is not haram?..thanx for ur replies..but all all due respect plz be open-minded about this..we are here to discus.so simply am saying dont just give answers like "o yea its haram...everyone knows..." thanx again

Great!!!,he is true...c'mon guys tell why?....

mankind wrote: isnt cigz intoxicant in a way how cum that is not haram?

Cigarettes are haram too.

By the way, cigarettes are not intoxicants. They are toxic, but that's not the same as intoxicant. The fact that they're toxic and addictive makes them unacceptable in Islam.

Here you go man:

http://www.islamic-paths.org/Home/English/FAQ/ME&E/Smoking.htm - http://www.islamic-paths.org/Home/English/FAQ/ME&E/Smoki ng.htm

Smoking kills you and others. I can show you more than one verse that tells you not to kill yourself.

I mentioned caffine right? that is also apart of a mind altering drug as well.....as I mentioned I try to avoid things with caffine.

I don't think mankind has said anything about cigerettes, he says cigz which translated is cigers. Could be wrong thou ;)

Both are bad anyway.

mankind wrote: nah i was talkin about cigerettes

oakie dokie

i really dont undestand..is it cuz all the western world started m,aking it illegal n then the whole world decided to do that?...

It doesn't matter who started to make it illegal, the observations of the effects can tell you why its illegal.

here some noted effects, problems of using:

• Lung problems (eg chronic bronchitis, lung cancer). Cannabis smoke contains ingredients that can damage the lungs, affect your physical health and fitness and possibly cause cancer. If cannabis is smoked over many years it may get in the way of the functioning of the lungs, this may increase the chances of developing lung disease.

• Difficulties with memory and attention - It has been shown that cannabis use over the longer term can cause problems with memory, attention and processing of complex information. This may affect everyday life when you are learning something new or doing something difficult.

• Development of dependence - most people who use cannabis don't go on to use it regularly, or develop problems with it. However, there are a number of people who will become dependent on cannabis. The chance of becoming dependent on cannabis is similar to the chance of becoming dependent on alcohol. If someone is dependent on cannabis they may experience a difficulty controlling their use or be spending a lot of time involved in cannabis and less time on other things in their life.

• Increased risk of mental health problems - some people have a greater risk of developing mental health problems than others. Cannabis use may trigger problems if you have a family history of serious mental illness (such as schizophrenia or depression), or you are vulnerable to developing it. If you already have a serious mental illness, cannabis use may make some of your symptoms worse.

Cannabis and experimentation
It is not uncommon to experiment with cannabis. Experimentation does not necessarily lead to problem use. If you are concerned about someone's cannabis use it may be helpful to speak with http://www.dao.health.wa.gov.au/index.cfm?section=practice&page=adis - The Alcohol and Drug Information Service (ADIS) . ADIS specialise in drug and alcohol issues. It may also be helpful to calmly talk with the person you are concerned about. Engaging them in a confrontational way may only alienate them.

Mixing cannabis with other drugs
Mixing cannabis and other drugs may be dangerous. If cannabis is taken with other drugs the effects of the cannabis may be stronger.

Cannabis and driving or operating heavy machinery
If you have been using cannabis driving or operating heavy machinery is dangerous. If you are stoned your attentions span may be less or you may find it harder to react if something unexpected happens. It is possible to experience these effects even if you don't feel stoned.

Now mankind don't you think this is a good enough reason not to use marijuana ??

Why do you want the qur'an to states so ??

You are just trying to justify your use despite the known effects, do you really need God to spell it out ??

yep

Mankind no offense bro, but you sound like a young kid, perhaps in high school and if I'm wrong my apologies if I'm right then obviously you have yet to develope your God given Common sense. There are Islamic laws against the use of drugs do I know myself word for word on those laws? No. If you wish for my assistance I can look those laws up at UCLA (University of California at Los Angeles) where I'm studying right now and I'll be more than happy to help you out. The library has a lot of sufficient information and again anything specifically pertaining to marijuana in relation to Islamic law of course I can help you.

As for the Qur'an I'm not sure off the top of my head if there is an out right prohibition of the drug. But obviously its common sense. Anything that needs to be smoked or ingested that is other than natural and can cause dellusion or mental dysfunction is bad. Obviously if you have majority of the people saying its illegal and its wrong and yet you need "physical proof" that the Qur'an literally condemns the word "marijuana" then obviously there is something wrong.

I agree with Abeer you seem like you are currently doing it but have some reservations about whether its permissible if that is true then God help you

Honestly Mankind...you can't expect every issue you think of to directly be discussed in the Quran.  To quote from the Quran,

Say, "If the ocean were ink for the words of my Lord,
the ocean would run out, before the words of my
Lord run out, even if we double the ink supply"

Perhaps much of the relevance of this glorious verse is intended to silence those who despite God's description of the Quran as fully detailed (6:114), still claim that the Quran does not include all the details of the religion.

With regard to smoking, just because you heard from some guy that it was mukru doesn't mean it is right.  In light of the epidemiological evidence of smoking and its adverse effects, we can conclude that it is haram because it causes all these destructive health consequences which is haram.  The idea of smoking being mukru was probably instituted a while back when these epidemiological data was not clear.  In light of new evidence this is not the case. 

With respect to Marijuana.  Marijuana is a drug.  It causes a stupifying effect much like pain killers and alcohol.  It should be only used as such and not for recreational use.  Taking Marijuana for recreational use is like taking Tylenol #3s for fun...does that seem right to you?  It is not described specifically in the Quran, but Allah gave you a brain to interpret things.  Just because something isn't specifically discussed in the Quran as being wrong does not mean it is right.  In the future, I'm sure many drugs will be discovered and abused...do you expect the Quran to discuss all of these?  In the interest of practicality Allah made the Quran limited in length but infinite in wisdom.  I suggest you think about that not for just this issue but for other controversies you encounter in the future.

well, if smoking causes lung cancer I would say its haram

Asalaam alaikum

Ramadan Mubarak, eventhough its the 2nd week (can we ever seek too many blessings in Ramadan?).

  I don't like getting into the halal vs. haram debates unless there is some intellectual or knowledge based benefit that may aid the believer in the future, insha Allah.  In this case, and Allah knows best, but I believe there is some benefit in addressing this matter just as if we were brothers sitting around discussing this over dinner.

  First, let us use the arabic word regarding intoxicants, khamr. 'Khamr' refers to any drink that intoxicates, so wine, beer, whiskey, vodka, cocktails, etc.  This is known in the arabic.

Am Maidah (5):90-91.

Oh you who believe, Truly 'khamru' and gambling and divination by arrows are an abomination of Satan's doings: avoid it in order that you may be successful. Assuredly, Satan desires to sow enmity and hatred among you with 'khamru' and gambling, and to hinder you from the remembrance of Allah and from salat. Will you not then desist?    

There are many ahadith addressing the prohibition of khamr. One includes: The Prophet (saaw) cursed ten categories of people saying:

Truly, Allah has cursed khamr, and the cursed the one who produced it, the one for whom it is produced, the one who drinks it, the one who serves it, the one who carries it, the one for whom it is carried, the one who sells it, the one who earns from the sale of it, the one who buys it, and the one for whom it is bought. (reported as sahih in Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah).

The illegality of any khamr, intoxicant, is prohibited. Qiyas extends this illegality to any known natural intoxicant, namely the common khat, marajuana, hashish. And this matter IS conclusive and Allah knows best.

  As for cigarettes. It is true anything that is definitively harmful is haram.  That is to say, to use something in a way that will bring haram to you is haram. Thus, to DRINK bleach is haram. Bleach will definitively erode the lining of your mouth, throat, stomach. It will definitively destroy your organs and if taken enough, will kill you. There is a direct causal relation between drinking bleach, or let's say a gallon of bleach and irreparably harming and even killing oneself. Drinking 6 oz.s of bleach is enough.  

  But smoking tobacco, or let's say smoking standard commercial cigerettes (cigz), since tobacco grows naturally and commercial cigerettes are chemically treated,  is not definitively harmful and fatal as drinking bleach is. Commercial cigz are not directly tied to harm or cancer. That is to say, there is no medically definitive tie which rises to level which is as  conclusive as drinking bleach is. As well, there are many many cases of people who smoke all their adult lives and do not necessarily suffer from cancer nor suffer harm from smoking. The same can never be said of drinking bleach. As well, the addictive nature of cigz do not necessarily render it haram being that cigz are not a khamr and nicotene is not a khamr.   That is not to endorse cigz or smoking as a habit. Certainly not. But the stronger legal position is that smoking cigz do not rise to the level of haram. 

  So the question of definitiveness and conclusivity has to be held to a high standard and not surrendered or lowered to mere rhetorical or weak legal argument.  That is not to protect people's bad habits, but to retain the high ideological standards and legal principles which have led the sharia`ah for 1400+ years.    

May Allah forgive me for any misguidance and  and misunderstanding and He is Allah, All Knowing, Wise.

Usama

Just because something is not "man-made" doesn't mean it is okay.  Opiates come from naturally occuring plants and are considered a drug just as bad as cocaine.

The notion that "naturally occuring" "non-man-made" materials are different in any way from synthesized chemicals is ludicrous.  St. John's Wort, a popular herbal drug used to treat depression, causes effects similar to many man-made psychotropic drugs.  Many of the man-made drugs exist because a chemical from a plant was extracted from it.

I work in a hospital and if you see what effects smoking does to a person, I have no idea how you could ever consider it mukru at all.  It is clearly haram.  It destroys your lungs making them prone to infection, causing breathing difficulties which destroys your entire body.  Not to mention lung cancer.  Have you ever seen someone in the late stages of lung cancer?  It's the saddest thing ever.  They are bald from the chemotherapy, their teeth fall out and their body rots.  Bacteria invade their body from every orifice and their last months on earth are a nightmare.  I have to deal with this every day so don't tell me because you read on a bunch of websites and some guys you knew who are super religious that it's okay to smoke.  I ask those guys and yourself to come down to my hospital and see some COPD patients and lung cancer patients.  You can all tell them that smoking is not haram when they cough up blood from their lungs or when they're on their deathbead and can't breathe on their own.  

Brother Mankindm

I haven't been keeping up with this post so forgive me if I am commenting at a time when you have no more desire to discuss the issue; however, maybe my comments will be helpful to someone.  Let me start by saying that I worked in the chemical addiction field for 15 years.  Now, maybe you will take that to mean I am biased and of course that is your right; however, I pray that you will read what I have to say with an open mind.  Ameen.

First of all, your comparison of marijuana to other intoxicants saying that marijuana is natural, made by Allah, while others are not is not correct.  Cocaine, which is derived from the coca leaf is a natural product.  In fact, in places where coca is grown, people use it directly from the tree, preferring to chew the leaves instead of using the processed form of coca we know as cocaine.  Even though the intoxicate affect is not the same in all cases, tobacco, cola, coffee beans, some forms of tea, some mushrooms and peyote are all also natural forms of intoxicants.  Wine, which is make from fermented grapes or other fruits, is also a natural substance�unless you consider fermentation (allowing crushed grapes or other fruits to rot) to be somehow un-natural.  And how about opium?  It is derived from the poppy.  Poppies are not only natural, they are one of the most beautiful flowers Allah has graced our planet.  So, you are wrong in saying that marijuana is different because it is natural and other forms of intoxicants are not. 

Second, if you are going to argue that other forms of natural intoxicants are altered by humans while marijuana is not, well, let�s just take a look at your good friend MaryJane and see what she�s really made of.  Sure, Cannabis sativa (marijuana) is a plant that Allah created; however, what you roll up and smoke in the year 2005 is a far cry from what Allah placed upon this earth at the beginning of creation.  If you think that today�s marijuana is a �natural� substance, you are truly fooling yourself.  The active chemical ingredient in marijuana which produces the high that users of it enjoy so much is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol).  In its Allah give form, marijuana only contains a trace amount of THC; however, over the years marijuana growers have found ways to increase the THC content of marijuana.  To show you how much growers have advanced the THC content in marijuana I will make a simply comparison.  In the 1970�s the best marijuana in the world contained roughly a 5% THC content.  Today, even the stuff you would only smoke as a last resort has that much THC content.  Most �decent� marijuana contains a THC content of 10 � 12% while the really �good stuff� has a THC content of up to 18%.  If you don�t believe me on this issue, check out the history of marijuana cultivation.  Those who cultivate it simply love to brag about what they have done to your dear friend MaryJane.  After that, if you are still in doubt, let me know; I�ll invite you over to my state and you can try out the truly �all natural� marijuana.  My state was a grower of natural marijuana back in the day when it was grown as a means to produce paper products.  Because marijuana is basically a weed (no pun intended), you can find plenty of it growing in its natural state out in the western part of the state I live in.  Another thing I would like to point out is that despite what you think, the marijuana you buy on the street has a wide range of potential additives which dealers use to enhance the affect of the high and to keep their customers �coming back for more.�  Other chemical substances which are popularly added to marijuana (not necessarily reported to the buyer) are hallucinogens such as PCP and stimulants such as cocaine.  So, despite you claim that marijuana is �natural�, its not; at least not the marijuana you and others use to take you little mini-vacations with.

Third, marijuana is powerfully addictive.  In fact, it is highly likely that it is one of the most addictive substances on the planet (right up there with nicotine and caffeine).  Although marijuana is not physically addictive, it is extremely physiologically addictive.  I know most people try to argue that if it�s not physically addictive then it is not so bad; however, that is simply ignorance on their part.  The truth of the matter is that only one class of chemical substance is actually physically addictive and that is the class known as depressant drugs.  What this means is that anyone who becomes addicted to depressant drugs is at risk of serious health problems during withdrawal and therefore should seek medical attention during withdrawal.  However, once the physical withdrawal is over, there is still the psychological addiction to deal with.  It is truly the psychological addiction which is by far more difficult to overcome.  Since marijuana�s addictive process is unlike any other in that THC is stored in fat cells and remains there for a substantially longer period than other chemically addictive substances, it is important not to overlook what that process it.  Since the brain is made up of mostly fat cells, the proportion of THC stored in the brain is grossly higher than in other parts of the body.  On the one hand, that is what marijuana smoker like about it; however, on the other, it is truly the heart of the problem.  THC stored in the fat cells of the brain cause the functions of the brain to slow down.  That is why you get that �just chillin� feeling from the high.  However, because the THC is not released from the body like other mind-mood altering substances, it builds up in the brain causing other problems such as short and long term memory loss. 

Regardless of whether you want to believe it or not, THC takes anywhere from 3 days to more than 45 days (depending on the amount and frequency in which it is ingested) to be released from the body.  Now I don�t know about you, but if Allah tells me not to use intoxicate because it keeps me from being about to communicate with Him, then why would I chose an intoxicant that takes days, weeks or even more than a month to get out of my system?  It is bad enough missing one prayer because of such actions but 15, 35, 105 or even 225 missed prayers all for the sake of wanting to get high?  And I�m not talking about missing prayers as in you ain�t getting down with the prostrating business.  What I�m saying is that Allah says that if we have an intoxicant in our system, the channel between Him and us just ain�t gonna happen.  So, even if you think you are praying, it ain�t no prayer according to Allah.  And if it ain�t good for Allah, it simply ain�t good.

Forth, one last comment before I�m through, one of your biggest pro-marijuana statements is the classic �It�s natural, if Allah didn�t want us to use it, then why did he put it here?�  As I pointed out above, there are many �natural� intoxicants on this earth and sure, Allah did have a reason for putting them here even if that purpose is clearly not for you to get �high� with.  Allah states in the Qur�an that all things are clear even if we can�t see them clearly.  Don�t forget we are merely human.  But what I want to pose to you at this time is why don�t we consume hemlock?  You know, it too is a natural substance but I don�t see anyone running out to smoke it up or consume it in any other way.  Sure, the reason is because it is poisonous, but the point is, just because something it natural doesn�t mean we should consume it.  It is simply absurd to claim that because something is natural it is good for us.  It is exactly for this reason that Allah guided us on this matter.  He knows best and history has proven with respect to intoxicants (all causing addiction), He was so merciful in commanding us to stay clear of them; by doing so, we stay close to Him and clear of the devastating problems that afflict those who become chemically dependant.

Brother Mankind, the fact that you are asking about this issue shows that on some level, you are conscious of the conflict that exists between smoking marijuana and what Allah commands of us.  I will pray for you because I know that if you are smoking marijuana, the likelihood of you taking advice from anyone, including me, is not very likely.  This truly is your struggle and I pray to Allah that He is merciful to you.  Ameen.

Allah Hafiz

PAZ,

Khadija

I am not a doctor but have medical experince and believe that if someone is very ill like with cancer or H.I.V. I see some medical benifit from the medical use of Marijuana. Here in California in the bay area it is legal. If someone in my family was undergoing chemotherapy and was losing weight and feeling awful, I would have no qualms about them using marijuana for medical purposes only as it increases apetite, reduces nausea and discomfort. There are many perscription drugs such as vicoden,perkaset,codine,oxycontin ect ect ect that are VERY VERY addictive, much more so than marijuana. And some these drugs are often available online with no perscription or from Mexico. And some muslim countries sell these drugs freely in pharmacies without a perscription as well. I think any mind, mood altering substance used for any other reason than what is medically needed is haram. But in the case of marijuana, how is it any worse than morphine or any other addictive perscription drug???

Sister Jenni,

Here is a fatwa I found regarding taking medications that contain haraam ingredients:

Responding to the question in point [regarding the permissibility of using medications containing haram ingredients], the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states:

"Some jurists do not consider medicine to be necessary as food. They cited the following Hadith to support their argument. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) says, "Allah has not made things that are unlawful for you to consume to be your medicine."

On the other hand, other jurists maintain that medicine is so important and necessary as food. Both of them preserve man and safeguard his life. They said that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has allowed both `Abdur-Rahman ibn `Awf and Az-Zubayr ibn Al-`Awwaam to wear silk garments, though male Muslims are not allowed to wear it, because of necessity. The two men were suffering from some sort of itching.

It seems that the aforementioned view goes in harmony with the spirit of Islam. However, there are certain conditions that must be fulfilled in order to take a medicine containing haram ingredients. Such conditions may be classified as follows:

1. The medicine containing haram ingredients must be necessary for the life of the person who takes it.

2. A knowledgeable and trustworthy Muslim physician should recommend such type of medicine containing haram ingredients.

3. The person is not allowed to take this particular type of medicine while there are other lawful medicines available."

PAZ

Khadija

Inhale, are you a Muslim?  If so, I would like to refer to you are �brother.�   Thank you for the thoughtful response to my post.  I have a few responses.  One of the things I would like to say to you is that during my years of working in the field of addiction, I would with a lot of �young adults� (ages 16 to 24) and in doing so, I felt it was much more important to be honest about chemical substances than to lie and then have them later distrust me if they needed my help.  I truly believe that is a big problem in our society and I don�t want to perpetuate that problem. 

Inhale: "People have died from mixing drugs, or driving while intoxicated. No healthy human being has ever smoked pot and died. At least we have no such record of this. What I mean by this is just LD50 (Amount needed to kill a lab rat 50% of the time) wise, like LSD (Acid), If you plan on ODing on THC, you would get to a state where you would be too messed up to consume a lethal amount of the stuff."

You did not make it clear in your first post that you were speaking of over dosing when you said no one had ever died from smoking marijuana.  I guess I don�t just consider cases of over dosing since death is death regardless if it�s fast or slow in the making.   I was speaking of deaths due to accidents causes by the slowed reaction one experiences while under the influence of marijuana, also of cases of lung cancer due to smoking marijuana.  As you know marijuana has a significantly higher level of tar than cigarettes.  In fact, one joint has the equivalent of a whole pack of cigarettes (20).  The bottom line is although it might not be the drug the propagandist tried to make it appear in �Reefer Maddness� back in 1936; however, it is not the benign substance that many pro-marijuana users claim it is either.

Inhale: "Evil is a bad word here, maybe stupid would of worked better? Prohibition is stupid. I'm not saying I want to see OTC Heroin, but there are ways of dealing with drug issues that might actually work. Are we benefiting from the War on Drugs? "

If something is prohibited by Allah than I feel I have the right to call it �evil� and if I or someone else is choosing between two things which are both prohibited (haraam), I think it is far to use the phrase �the lesser of two evils� in reference to it.   How can you call �prohibition� stupid?  Allah prohibited us from using alcohol a long, long time before the US government made such a law regarding the use of alcohol.  Do you consider Allah�s laws �stupid�?  Once again, I will ask if you are a Muslim because if you are, there should not be any �ways of dealing with drug issues that might actually work� that allow for the actually ingestion of substances which Allah has prohibited us from using.  As I pointed out in my post to Jenni above, even in cases of medical necessity Muslims scholars state that the situation must be life threatening and there cannot be any other medication available for that illness which does not have haraam ingredients.  If there is, the person has to use the one without the haraam ingredients.

You question regarding the �war on drugs� is not really relevant to this thread because it is a tactic use by a secular government.  If you want to start a thread about the �war on drugs� and the differences between how a secular government and an Islamic government would handle the problems, then go for it.  It could be a very interesting thread.  

Inhale:  "I read this in a magazine while waiting for someone in the doctor's lobby. I don't remember the mag though..
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Study_finds_marijuana_use_leads_ to_brain_development_in_rats"

So, you couldn�t find the magazine so you used this other article that you found on-line.  And it was nice that you pasted some parts of the article for use to read, but you left out the following:

"Our results were obtained from rats, and there's a big difference between rats and humans," added Zhang, "So, I really don't know yet if our findings apply to humans.�

The reason I asked you to go back and read the article again regarding memory and marijuana use is that as with all other addictive drugs, a persons ability to function well (normal) over time becomes dependant upon the presence of the chemical in their system.  That is, a person who becomes accustomed to smoking marijuana will begin to actually function better while under the influence of marijuana as opposed to when they are �sober� simply because their brain has becomes accustomed to functioning that way.  It is not something about marijuana itself which enhances the memory.  Studies conducted by educational psychologists show that the same thing happens naturally as well.  That is, if a person studies in an environment which is noisy (there bedroom with boom box blaring) and then takes an exam in a quiet environment (classroom), their grades will not be as good as they would have been if both environments were the same.   The problem for the marijuana smoker, once he/she becomes accustomed to the THC in their system, they do not function as well without it.  Even if marijuana were able to increase the number of brain cells in humans as it supposedly does in rats, this does not imply that they would be smarter or have better memory.  Even the article you cited doesn�t make the conclusion that the rats became smarter.  And furthermore, when you quoted the following:

""Chronic use of marijuana may actually improve learning memory when the new neurons in the hippocampus can mature in two or three months," he added."

It was misleading.  The article is states as such:

""This is quite a surprise, chronic use of marijuana may actually improve learning memory when the new neurons in the hippocampus can mature in two or three months," said Xia Zhang, with the Neuropsychiatry Research Unit of the University of Saskatchewan."

inhale wrote: Don't just copy and paste sh*t from a random site and then use that for your argument.

EXCUSE ME!!!

I DID NOT JUST PICK SOME RANDOM SITE!!!

Did you check the site ?? which also has references to other resources ??

No I don't think so. 

FYI that site is authoritive and with reliable information and I DON'T PLAY AROUND WITH ISSUES CONCERNING HEALTH!!! So don't sit there and tell me it's sh*t from some random site.

It's funny you say that I use the info to justify my argument, may I say what are you doing ???  

And also I could even go as far and say that you got your info from some random site

Do you even know *why* they made Marijuana illegal in the first place?

And would you even care even if I posted something ?? And what you say is the truth right?? Why should I believe you and not the scientists ??

I can't believe how many people just blindly listen to the government.

Who said that we are blindly following the government ? oh right You

and not to mention Hemp has LOTS of legitimate uses. We could be saving billions of we use Hemp instead of trees to make paper/clothing/rope/etc.

Actually I agree with you here.  

I'm not telling ANYONE to do drugs. I'm just saying, do your research.

Do your research, funny you say that  man why didn't I think of that in the first place and not pick some random site with sh*t info, lol!  

Some links: http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_timeline.ph p http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_health.shtm l http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.cgi?S1=1&S2=-1& ;a mp;a mp;S3=-1&C1=9&Str=

Are you sure this is not some random site

inhale, And who made you the one and only interpreter of marijuana ??!

inhale wrote:   I was just commenting on what Angel pasted from a site. I didn't want the thread to end with misinformation.

commenting??

You know I don't mind being corrected but you to come here with your seemingly arrogant attitude and balantly discredit everything I have pointed out about the use of marijuana when I have done research and know something of it. You can't tell me that the information I brought forth is completely wrong.

How can I tell if you are completely right, because you say it is ?? I do have some intelligence to do my own research  I don't agree with all that the governments of the world do either, but I do see why they make some things illegal. 

I just don't like seeing people base their conclusions on topics they researched at *.gov websites, or they learned from one side of the story.

lol! shows what you know, what makes you think I based my conclusions on a gov't site ?? You don't even know what I have researched or not, SO DON"T jump to conclusion, ok! just because I use one or two sites in support of my information, does not make me or the infor balantly wrong (because you say so!) 

I want people to see both sides and then come up with their own opinion on something. I feel like the previous posts only showed Mankind BS answers that were either made up on the spot or pasted from an anti-Marijuana website. He needs to see both sides first.

Go and get your facts right will you!

You know, I have no problems with having both sides shown but you.........arrhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......................forget!

You know something, the original issue here is about marijuana and wether if its haram or halah in "Islam" and where it is stated. What all of us have said is that its is haram and showed why. This is what mankind wanted with regards to Islam and he got that, nothing more nothing less. I as a non muslim, also pointed out why it would be considered as haram in islam. So I have not done nothing or pointed out wrong. I have had talks with Mankind privately and come to the conclusion he is intelligent enough to do his or more reasearch and I have also come to the conclusion he was trying to justify his use of marijuana in islam when it is haram. 

So you stated earlier you are muslim, so tell me and the others is it haram or halal and also for the information I got, from my research, this would be why marijuana is haram in islam ??

Another question, since you are muslim (and perhaps hopeful not by name) why are you using and why do you think its ok for you to use in islam? Are you overriding Allah's laws, don't you believe in the quran?

I believe this info would be more helpful to Mankind more so than the other info you gave, if he comes back.

Khadija1021 wrote: inhale:  "I read this in a magazine while waiting for someone in the doctor's lobby. I don't remember the mag though.. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Study_finds_marijuana_use_leads_ to_brain_development_in_rats" So, you couldn�t find the magazine so you used this other article that you found on-line.  And it was nice that you pasted some parts of the article for use to read, but you left out the following: "Our results were obtained from rats, and there's a big difference between rats and humans," added Zhang, "So, I really don't know yet if our findings apply to humans.�

Our results were obtained from rats, and there's a big difference between rats and humans," added Zhang, "So, I really don't know yet if our findings apply to humans.�

Interesting, Inhale...and you have a cheek to say that I provided misformation!

Assalamu Alaikum

Brother Illuminati, shukran for your honest and open post.  It is wonderful to see someone as young as you concerned about their deen.   Where are you originally from?  Please don�t judge all American�s by what you see in Houston.  I, too, lived in Houston for a brief time in my life and I know what you mean.  But not all Americans live like that.  Houston like any other big city in the US is where a people congregate to for work.  This means that for most larger cities there are higher populations of those who are under educated and who are low on the social economic scale.  I am not trying to say that those who fit into this category are necessarily as you are describing; however, sadly it happens within this group more often than in others.  I don�t think this thread is the proper place to discuss such social dynamics so I will end with that.  Hopefully I have not offended anyone.  If so, I am truly sorry and that was not my intentions.

With respect to your consumption of marijuana, regardless of whether you smoke it or eat it, marijuana is an intoxicant which fogs the brain and because of this, any salat which you make while you have THC in your system is invalid.  Allah commands us not to approach Him in prayer when our mind is in a fog.

4:43 O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say,- nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (Except when travelling on the road), until after washing your whole body. If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. For Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again.

Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo la taqraboo alssalata waantum sukara hatta taAAlamoo ma taqooloona wala junuban illa AAabiree sabeelin hatta taghtasiloo wain kuntum marda aw AAala safarin aw jaa ahadun minkum mina alghaiti aw lamastumu alnnisaa falam tajidoo maan fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban faimsahoo biwujoohikum waaydeekum inna Allaha kana AAafuwwan ghafooran

Assalamu Alaikum

Brother Illuminati, there is a reward, both in this world and the next, for the decision you have made.  Inshallah you will feel its effect and know that your decision was the right one.  What you need to do is simply ask Allah for forgiveness and then don't look back at the past, just keep looking in the direction of Allah the Merciful.  We live in a world that hates to see people living purely for Allah because then we are not buying into what they have for sale.  But what they have for sale can never match what Allah can give us.  Once again, I will end my post with an ayat, but this time, it�s a du'a.  Inshallah you will learn it and keep it close to your heart always.

Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith. (2:286)

rabbana wala tuhammilna ma la taqata lana bihi waoAAfu -AAanna waighfir lana wairhamna anta mawlana faonsurna AAala alqawmi alkafireena