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Topic: Roles of men
Posted By: Trisha
Subject: Roles of men
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 12:33pm
Hi, my name is Trisha. I`m an 14yr old studen't in New Jersey. I am not Muslim, however I have the utmost respect for the faith. Anyway, i`m in world studies, and we're doing reports on the Islamic Faith. I`m making a webpage. ( http://www.freewebs.com/trisha301 - www.freewebs.com/trisha301  ) And I would like to write about the roles of Muslim men, but I can't find much on my search engines. Then I thought what better way to learn then straight from someone of the faith? So, if anybody would be willing to help me, it would be much appreiciated.



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Posted By: Trisha
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 12:51pm
Nobody willing to help?


Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 1:50pm

Hi Trisha,

Patience .   Here is some reading if you wish:

http://www.islamonline.net/completesearch/english/AllsearchAck.asp?hTitle=role+of+men - http://www.islamonline.net/completesearch/english/AllsearchA ck.asp?hTitle=role+of+men

Hope this is helpful to you.

Peace, ummziba (not a man!  )



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Posted By: Trisha
Date Posted: 12 October 2005 at 1:54pm
Aha, patience is a quality my personality lacks. I was actually looking to get personal views on the subject. What Muslim men think their roles are, or should be. But this will do as well. Thank you for your help. =)


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 6:19am

Bismillah,

People are busy during Ramadan.  Try posting your question to the brothers in the brother's section if you want their opinions.  There are also a lot of things on this topic already on this website.  If you do a search, you might find what you need is already here.

I've got to go right now, sorry.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: rudy
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 7:05am

You've done an excellent impressive work on your website, well done Trisha- But I just don�t like the image posted under the http://www.freewebs.com/trisha301/quranshariapillars.htm - Quran/Sharia/Pillars page. - and to answer your Q I would say that both Muslim man and women have equal rights and share the same roles and claims one another, except for one responsibility, that of family leadership.� a man�s role of leadership in relation to his family does not mean the husbands dictatorship over his wife. Islam emphasizes the importance of taking counsel and mutual agreement in family decisions. So in my opinion there is no difference in roles between the 2.   

Hope that helps

peace
rudy



Posted By: Namk85
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 7:49am

gud website but the picture rudy is talking abt is kinda Weird shud I say.

I gues you cud but a picture of the first page of the quran if you wanted its a suggestion

 



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Posted By: Abeer23
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 8:38am

Wow Trisha, 14 years old, I'm impressed.   Your website was very well organized.   

That picture was a bit gross.  It also paints a somewhat negative picture of Islam for a person that's just learning about the religion.  



Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 2:11pm
Originally posted by Abeer23 Abeer23 wrote:

Wow Trisha, 14 years old, I'm impressed.   Your website was very well organized.   

That picture was a bit gross.  It also paints a somewhat negative picture of Islam for a person that's just learning about the religion. 



Does Sharia law not instruct that thieves should have their hands cut off?  If that is the case, then how is the picture misleading?  It is in her section on Sharia law..

Sure would be a bummer if you were wrongfully accused, convicted...


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Posted By: Trisha
Date Posted: 13 October 2005 at 2:49pm

I`m sorry if the picture displeases you, but it is true, isn't it? I wasn't stating that it's that easy to have something like that happen. But my example of Sharia Law did include the phrase " An Eye for An Eye ", and in this case, an hand for a hand, understand?

I mean, I do understand your feelings toward it, and i`m not trying to paint a bad image of the Muslim Faith, it's not exactly negative though. The only way it really could be is if someone going to the site just skims and doesn't read before they judge the picture. I`m just trying to be specific, you know?

Thank you for all of your help, and the compliments. =) I do really appreiciate it



Posted By: rudy
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 2:36am

I have nothing against the concept of the image. However, the fact that the Quran is dropped on the ground with blood surrounding it is harshly  disrespectful to the holly book unless you think otherwise my dear Bruce, the artist also seems to be out of imagination when trying to deliver the intended msg.


Originally posted by b95000 b95000 wrote:



Does Sharia law not instruct that thieves should have their hands cut off?  If that is the case, then how is the picture misleading?  It is in her section on Sharia law..

Sure would be a bummer if you were wrongfully accused, convicted...


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Posted By: Abeer23
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 2:51am

Yes Trisha in Islam a thief's hand is cut off, but there are exceptions.  First of all, you wouldn't cut off a child's hand.  And a thief has to steal something valuable.  There is a set amount he/she must steal before cutting off his/her hand.  Honestly, I don't remember the amount, perhaps one of the brothers/sisters can recall.  Also, if someone steals because he/she is hungry, then they wouldn't lose a hand.

Now Trisha, let's be reasonable.  We know that in America we have capital punishment.   How would it look on a website if when you clicked on "Law" you saw an American flag in a chamber with a bunch of dead bodies (I'm trying not to be graphic so you'll have to use your imagination)?  

I said the picture was misleading because it doesn't show there being any mercy in sharia (you should know that Allah's law is full of mercy).    Someone that didn't know anything about the religion would form a biased opinion of Islamic law from this picutre.

I also agree with rudy, having the quran surrounded by blood is not very respectful.

Trish, I'm sure you didn't mean any harm.  I was just giving you a friendly suggestion.

 

 
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Posted By: rudy
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 5:26am
one more thing dear trisha. the artical you have posted http://www.afrol.com/articles/10773 - http://www.afrol.com/articles/10773 in your websi;  I admit! It is crude and barbaric and thank god there is nothing in the holly Quran nor in shariaa that supports the panishment handed to the young girl. This is where your true knowledge of the religion comes to tip. to the best of my little knowledge, nigeria is considered to be one of the most corrupted countries in the world, the type of politicians in Nigerian political arena are bounce of criminals, crooks who have in one way or the others, indulged in mischievous activities. so Imagine trying to get justice from a nigerian court .

peace
rudy



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Posted By: Trisha
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 1:48pm

Alright, I understand. I suppose I honestly didn't think of it that way. And you're right, it is disrespectful of the Quran. I hadn't thought of it. I have already handed in the assignment, so there is nothing I can do about it now. But if it is any constellation, I do understand, and once it is graded and i`m aloud to make adjustments, I will remove the image with a much more appropriate one.

And I know that Nigeria is one of the most corrupt. I learned that in class. Again, I wasn't thinking very well. I should've noted that I, myself, thought the punishment was unfair in certain countrys. And again, I will change that to the site.

About the punishment, and due to being a child, or hunger; My teacher said that even if you did steal due to hunger, the punishment is the same. But i`m pretty sure you'd know more over him. I mean no disrespect to him of course, but it is your faith, so you are a little more knowledgeable about it. But perhaps he missaid it, or I misunderstood. He may have meant years and years ago, not present time.



Posted By: b95000
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 3:32pm
Does anyone have the current concensus within Shuria law as to when a thief's hand is cut off - under what circumstances?  According to Abeer23 this doesn't happen to a child - does that mean you must be 18?  And what is the amount that must be stolen?

By the way - is there a recourse if someone is wrongfully accused and convicted, their hand is cut off, and their conviction is later turned over?


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Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 5:45pm

Bismillah,

Some of us don't believe in the established Shar'iah.  And the punishments in general when they are physical such as mutilation or death, some of us, fortunately will never vote to implement such things.

Show me a rich man from Saudi or anywhere in the world who has been punished in such a way. (Not literally, btw.  I avoid viewing bloodshed whenver possible!)  Even if you know of a story of one or two, which I doubt, the point is that most people punished harshly are poor or politically not connected, or out of favor because they insulted the people in power.  And this is true in the wild, wild West as well.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: restless
Date Posted: 14 October 2005 at 11:55pm
According to Islam, duties of a man include protecting the life and honour of those who depend on him for that.
A man should not be proud/conceited of his strength/power and use it to scare others.
A man should be generous in donating for charity what he earns.
A man should not act cowardly while performing his duty towards others.


Assuming, you wanted to know the about view of Muslim men towards women.

Duty of women is to follow and support her man.

Desirable qualities of women are just the opposite to those desirable of men.
A woman should be proud so as not the act dishonourably.

A woman should be frugal in spending her husband money.

A woman should be timid so that she is conscious of what others think about her (and thus be proud) and does not act wrongly.


Posted By: rudy
Date Posted: 15 October 2005 at 4:23am
well said herjihad , jazaka lahou khayran.

rudy
peace


Originally posted by herjihad herjihad wrote:

Bismillah,

Some of us don't believe in the established Shar'iah.  And the punishments in general when they are physical such as mutilation or death, some of us, fortunately will never vote to implement such things.

Show me a rich man from Saudi or anywhere in the world who has been punished in such a way. (Not literally, btw.  I avoid viewing bloodshed whenver possible!)  Even if you know of a story of one or two, which I doubt, the point is that most people punished harshly are poor or politically not connected, or out of favor because they insulted the people in power.  And this is true in the wild, wild West as well.



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Posted By: Abeer23
Date Posted: 15 October 2005 at 6:48am

As salamu alikum Herjihad

Some of us don't believe in the established Shar'iah.  And the punishments in general when they are physical such as mutilation or death, some of us, fortunately will never vote to implement such things.

Sister, from your username I've assumed you are Muslim.  If so, what do you mean you don't believe in the "established sharia'h".  Are you saying you have a problem with the law given to us by Allah in the Quran?  If so, why call yourself Muslim.   As Muslims we have to submit our will to Allah.  That means obey him.    Allah Says:

5:38 "As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power. "

  It bothers me when you say "some of US" as if it is acceptable for a Muslim to deny the decree of Allah.     Allah says:

33:36 "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path."

Allah has decreed the punishment for theft.   Muslims accept it.  Are you telling me that you follow part of the Quran (that you like) and reject the rest (that you don't like).  What does Allah say about this:

2:85 ......... "Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. "

Herjihad, if I have said anything to offend you please forgive me (that surely isn't my intent). 

Salaam


 



Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 15 October 2005 at 1:33pm

Hi Trisha,

I would be careful how much credence you give to Islamic literature's discussion of the role of women.  They may SAY they respect women, but the truth is far different. Be Careful, that's all.  Don't fall for the hype.



Posted By: rudy
Date Posted: 15 October 2005 at 2:06pm

My dear Trisha, these are the typy of ignorant individuales we have to deal with all the time. I intruduce to you Steve!

peace -rudy

Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Hi Trisha,

I would be careful how much credence you give to Islamic literature's discussion of the role of women.  They may SAY they respect women, but the truth is far different. Be Careful, that's all.  Don't fall for the hype.



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If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.
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Posted By: Trisha
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 2:46pm

I do understand some men ( or people in general ) may not completly abide to the law of the Sharia or Quran. Which in this case states respecting their women. But you can't honestly say that Muslim men in general do not respect their women. The truth really couldn't be as wrong as you state? That's a little stereotyped, wouldn't you say? I mean, we hear a lot about the flaws of the religion, and many others, but that can't block out the truth. There may be some wrong people. But you really can't say all Muslim men do not repect their women as they should.

Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Hi Trisha,

I would be careful how much credence you give to Islamic literature's discussion of the role of women.  They may SAY they respect women, but the truth is far different. Be Careful, that's all.  Don't fall for the hype.



Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 5:47pm

Bismillah,

I have known people of all religions, or lack of, and I have seen them respect and disrespect each other and their wives.  Muslims are clearly guided that respect and love between husbands, wives, children, and their parents is something that deserves the reward of Heaven.



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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.


Posted By: firewall
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 6:30pm
bismillahi rahmani raheem,

the website has nice colors, but the image does kinda fell my expectations. i guess we hv to wait her being graded. in the meantime muslims just have to bare, i guess. & i do hope Trisha will tell her teacher & class mates the exact fact after being graded. honestly, i'm uneasy as i'm afraid people who just skimp & browse, & don't read much will have a severed bloody hand ingrained in their head, thinking that's Islamic Law. if i write about American Law, is an image of a man electrocuted by the electric chair is the most exact way to portray the law?

but i hope you will be binded by ur promise, to tell the exact truth? thanks. BTW, i don't see any flaws in my religion. maybe a little more research would help you, Trisha. & until Steve is a muslim women, let muslim women say wether we're respected or not. as far as i'm concerned, i'm just doing fine.




Posted By: Trisha
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 6:48pm

I understand your feelings on the photo, I really do. I have admitted that when I placed the image on the page, I hadn't thought it through as I should've.

 " This punishment only occurs due to certain crimes. The Holy Quran is also being disrespected by being placed on the ground. However, I suppose you could say if you do something that results in this punishment, you have disrespected the Quran in one way or another."

If I wrote that ON the photo, would you feel more comfortable about it? Or would you honestly like be to delete the image, all together?

I mean, I know it is my report and all. But it is your faith. I don't want to do anything to disrespect it. Accidentally or otherwise.



Posted By: Trisha
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 6:54pm

For the time being, I am going to write that on the image. If I completly erase the image, my teacher may consider it cheating, applying changes after due date. But he may not notice the change of words.

But for further interests, let me know which you would perfer.




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