Quran and numbers
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Topic: Quran and numbers
Posted By: Deus
Subject: Quran and numbers
Date Posted: 15 October 2005 at 2:06am
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Ref: http://www.submission.org/miracle/endless.html - http://www.submission.org/miracle/endless.html Many of you might've heard of this or seen it before. Quranic miracles that deal with numbers, for example, ratio of word "Land" to "Sea" gives you the 71%:29% (actual ratio of land:sea on Earth). Has anyone here actually confirmed this? I've seen this claimed on more than one website, but they never give guidelines on how to actually confirm them numbers for ourselves. |
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Posted By: Dayem
Date Posted: 15 October 2005 at 8:18am
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Meaning no offence, these 'numbers miracle' actually trouble me too..there is a site in which u can search for any word and, as u might know that 'death' and 'life'(al Hayat, Al maut) come exactly 145 times:but is that really so?Check this site:http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/simple.html Type life and then death.Watch for ur self. Can some one tell me where is the problem? ------------- "the mooslims! they're heeere!" LOONWATCH.COM |
Posted By: Deus
Date Posted: 15 October 2005 at 3:38pm
| Yes, Dayem. That is the point I'm trying to raise. If this "miracle" is fabricated, why is it still preached? Confirming it is not a simple task either, since one would have to search the terms in Arabic instead of English. |
Posted By: Dayem
Date Posted: 15 October 2005 at 10:00pm
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Yeah, and I wonder y people never contradict this 'miracle' claim? ------------- "the mooslims! they're heeere!" LOONWATCH.COM |
Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 3:36am
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I heard that in the koran Adam is mentioned 23 times and 'Awaa (Eve) is mentioned 23 times. Together it's 46 which is the number of chromosomes which make up the DNA of a human being. Alif it's number value in arabic is 1 Daal is 5 Meem is 40
these 3 letters form Adam in arabic and the number value is 46! |
Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 3:38am
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Dam in arabic means blood. |
Posted By: Dayem
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 9:52am
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Huh? I dont deny all the numerical miracles, wat bout Life and death?Are they really mentioned 145 times? ------------- "the mooslims! they're heeere!" LOONWATCH.COM |
Posted By: Deus
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 7:12pm
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This is all "I've heard" and "I've read". What about "I've counted"? Can someone do us a favour and do a real count? Community; Yes, dam does mean blood. But why is this significant? Adam itself means dust (red dust or clay). |
Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 10:58pm
| DNA is found in the blood. |
Posted By: Dayem
Date Posted: 16 October 2005 at 11:19pm
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Hello?Any one down here knows counting?Help us! ------------- "the mooslims! they're heeere!" LOONWATCH.COM |
Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 17 October 2005 at 2:14am
| Adam is mentioned 25 times in the koran, and Eve the search engine would not give what i was looking for, EVEryone EVErlasting beliEVE etc, |
Posted By: Deus
Date Posted: 17 October 2005 at 4:17am
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That's why using a computerized search in English is a little difficult. You mentioned earlier that the name Adam in Arabic (Alif, Dal, Meem) give the number 46. Actually, Dal is number 4, so it adds up to 45, not 46. |
Posted By: Dayem
Date Posted: 17 October 2005 at 4:29am
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Quran says(somewhere) that similarity of Jesus(PBUH) in the eyes of Allah(swt) is like those of Adam(PBUH).Both of them are mentioned exactly the same no. of times.Check it! ------------- "the mooslims! they're heeere!" LOONWATCH.COM |
Posted By: Deus
Date Posted: 17 October 2005 at 8:11pm
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Dayem; I carried out a search, and I got 22 hits for Jesus, and different numbers for Adam (ranging from 25-28). How'd you search it to get the same number? And thank you for actually testing this out, the number is pretty close. That's really amazing. EDIT: I double-checked. Adam: 25, Jesus: 25. Thanks again, Dayem. Maybe I'll work on counting the other numbers when I get some free time. |
Posted By: Dayem
Date Posted: 17 October 2005 at 9:18pm
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WELL THAT PROVES THAT THERE R MIRACLES IN QURAN.What do u say deus to this: Where ever quran says that someone's similarity is like this or that, the no. of times they come r equal??! Check for urself: Quran says in surah 11, verse 1 This is a scripture whose verses are perfected and then explained. It means that no word is wasted in Quran. Now let us analyse. Chapter 3, verse 159:The likenes of Jesus before Allah is as the likeness of Adam. 25 times each. Surah 7, verse 176:The likeness of those who reject our signs is as the likeness of dog. 5 times each. The likeness of those who take protectors other than Allah is as the likeness of spider. A and B occurs two time each. Now whenever Qur'an says, 'The likeness of A is not equal to those of B' then there counting is not same.Not a big-deal, u might say.But when the difference after counting comes as only one, then it is a big deal. In 4:96 it is said that those who sit around and those who strive for the cause of Allah are not-equal.Now throughout the Quran, al-qa-idoon come 2 times, and al-mujahidoon comes 1 time.Al-qa-ideen comes 4 times and al-mujahideen comes 3 times. 6:50>Blind(Al-a'maa) and the seeing one(al-baseer) are set unequal. Blind occurs 8 times, seer(or seeing one, depends on the transalation u r using) occurs 9 times. 13:16 depth of darkness Al-dhulumaat, and light-Al noor, r set unequal.the occurance is 14 and 13 respectively. However in 5:100, there is an exeption.The good and the bad is said to be unequal but they come exactly 7 time each.(Al-Tayib and al-khabeeth). The verse immidately goes on to say that you will be dazzled by the amount of the bad.In another verse(8:37) God explains that he piles the bad one on other together so as to seperate it from good.Now this is also reflected in the Quran, 'the good' is scattered throufghout the holy book, while 'the bad' are sometimes piled together two in a verse. There are many more, but first let me verify them. Thanx, Dayem. ------------- "the mooslims! they're heeere!" LOONWATCH.COM |
Posted By: Deus
Date Posted: 24 October 2005 at 8:23pm
| I also checked the water:land ratio. I find this the most amazing. |
Posted By: Dayem
Date Posted: 25 October 2005 at 11:50pm
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------------- "the mooslims! they're heeere!" LOONWATCH.COM |
Freebird wrote:Posted By: Community
Date Posted: 26 October 2005 at 4:10am
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Chapter 9:39 Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things. |
Posted By: Dayem
Date Posted: 27 October 2005 at 3:06am
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------------- "the mooslims! they're heeere!" LOONWATCH.COM |
Posted By: Dayem
Date Posted: 27 October 2005 at 3:13am
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Surah 15, Verse 33:For no statement do they bring you but We reveal the Truth to thee and the best explanation. In the Qur'an, 'they said' in arabic is 'qaalu'.Arabic word gor 'Say' is 'qul'.Both qaalu and qul occur 332 times. ------------- "the mooslims! they're heeere!" LOONWATCH.COM |
Posted By: Dayem
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 12:54am
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------------- "the mooslims! they're heeere!" LOONWATCH.COM |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 8:30am
This site was made by the followers of "rashad khalifa " Rashad Khalifa may claim to be a muslim, but the claims he makes and the beliefs that he holds are unislamic and in fact they are the basis of Kufr (disbelief). A mere glance at his website would reveal this. and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best http://www.islamic-paths.org/Home/English/Sects/Sects_Main.h tm Check out the following sites: http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=13357 http://www.islamic-paths.org/Home/English/Sects/Submitters/T rick.htm |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 6:14pm
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anyone knows about Rashad khalifa |
Posted By: Deus
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 6:56pm
| True that Rashad Khalifa is a bit controversial and I don't subscribe to all his ideas, but this is something that you and I can confirm ourselves. I've already confirmed some of those "number miracles" (the ones that don't require calculations) myself so it's not something that Rashad Khalifa is making up. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 9:52pm
He changed the translation of quran to justify his number 19 theory. Ask all the scholars; they have labelled him as "dajjal" He claimed to be Prophet of Allah |
Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 02 November 2005 at 11:11am
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Ok!!! that may be coincidence or as you call it "Miracle", but what has all this to do with the faith and teachings of Quran? On the more, with this game of numbers, Rashad Khalifa goes beyond the limits when something doesn't match up with his theory of number 19. To resolve this, he suggests to remove certain verses from the Quran simply because his theory doesn't fit. It is this line of reasoning that is totally illogical. So my brothers, be careful once one go too far in this game that he starts believing in the game more than the script itself. |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 02 November 2005 at 12:47pm
my points exactly |
Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 02 November 2005 at 1:09pm
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btw who assinated him ? |
Posted By: Deus
Date Posted: 02 November 2005 at 6:56pm
| I'm not advocating his teachings, nor am I a supporter of his 19 theory. But these number coincidences (the ones that I mentioned and confirmed and which thus far have nothing to do with the number 19) are worth a second thought. |
Posted By: Dayem
Date Posted: 07 November 2005 at 9:00pm
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Posted By: freebird
Date Posted: 30 November 2005 at 2:57pm
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The last post was the 7th last month which is more than three weeks ago and that was from me, hello there. Here are the names of the angels in the Qur'an, or were angels for some of them. I know you may have an objection to it, but. Beside that please let me know if there are more. The problem with this is some of you maybe can not access this thread. If that the case than you can use PM. 1. Jibril
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