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Topic: Question on Hadith, Sunnah and the Quran
Posted By: Angela
Subject: Question on Hadith, Sunnah and the Quran
Date Posted: 03 November 2005 at 9:20am

Just being a Curious George here so bear with me. 

If in the last address by the prophet, he closes the Quran and perfects the religion, then why are the Hadiths needed or should they even be considered?

It is been said to me that the Quran is the most perfect book and has all the answers.  If this is true, why do I hear hadiths thrown around left and right? 

Don't you think that if Mohammed felt that these things were needed for the salvation of his people, he would have complied them himself?

And if the Prophet didn't write them down himself or have his scribe record them, how can you be sure that the Hadith aren't as messed up at the latter part of the New Testament. 

I have often heard the arguement against the Gospels as truth being that they were written after Jesus Christs death, but if that's reason for rejecting the Gospels then it would be reason to reject the Hadiths.  I would have been very easy for early believers in Islam to shape the religion after Mohammed's death to their own desires.  All they would have had to do is come up with some conversation they overheard or were part of with the Prophet.

So, my question is, if there is to be no scriptures after the Quran, then why do true muslims even bother with acknowledging the Hadiths?

Angela




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Posted By: Muslim Friend
Date Posted: 03 November 2005 at 11:32am

Salaam,

It was stated that our Prophet was a walking Quran - Meaning everything about him, was according to the laws of Allah and the Quran - Hadiths are a 2nd source of Islamic Shariah, the first being the Quran - they inform us about the practical aspects of commandmants for human life and provide explanations of the basic principles outlined by Allah.

Hadiths are indispensable to  muslims to understand islam and act according to it.

 

For example a muslim man is allowed 4 wife, whereas the Prophet i believe had either 9 or 13 dependant on various scholars. He married so many as each was an example, eg marrying a divorced woman or a widow, each thing the prophet did was to provide practical advice to muslim, these things were noted and passed down or scholars have methodically traced back various hadiths to ensure authenticity. We do not simply make these things up, they are traced and checked and rechecked to ensure they are correct, scholars such as Bukhari and Muslim gave there lives to ensuring these Hadiths were documented correctly.

 

Many Hadiths have been traced back to Hadrat Aisha or Hazrat Bibi Fatima. They were traced back to people who had first hand contact with the Prophet.

I am aware that alot of muslim do not follow Hadiths as yes the Quran is the true book, but i do believe in the Hadiths and am glad for even the smallest look into  our Prophets live, mannerisms and attitude.



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O Allah! Bless Muhammad and let his be the place close to you on the day of Resurrection.


Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 03 November 2005 at 2:48pm

He married so many as each was an example, eg marrying a divorced woman or a widow, each thing the prophet did was to provide practical advice to muslim, these things were noted and passed down or scholars have methodically traced back various hadiths to ensure authenticity. We do not simply make these things up, they are traced and checked and rechecked to ensure they are correct, scholars such as Bukhari and Muslim gave there lives to ensuring these Hadiths were documented correctly.

 

But, how can you verify oral tradition.  Many of the hadiths were written down years after Muhammed died.  That means there were carried by oral tradition.  That would in my mind make them suspect to corruption and hard to offer proof.  The Quran was recorded as it was revealed.  There would be no corruption there and the requirement for it to be preserved in its original language makes it rare.  But anything given third hand is going to be perception and interpretation.



Posted By: Muslim Friend
Date Posted: 04 November 2005 at 5:52am
Hmmmmm, I'm glad you dont blindly follow what you hear, to question something is an excellant way of learning. I myself am not good with words. Let me find something i once read. I'll get back to you.

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O Allah! Bless Muhammad and let his be the place close to you on the day of Resurrection.


Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 04 November 2005 at 7:13am

Thank you Muslim Friend.  I appreciate you're attention to this. 

I've got several main issues with Islam, the Hadiths lead into the others. 

Thanks again

Angela



Posted By: Deus
Date Posted: 04 November 2005 at 4:27pm

This website has always been a good start, in fact, you might have already come across it;

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/ - http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/

 



Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 04 November 2005 at 5:13pm

Angela, this is what I have learnt, the hadiths are the examples of Muhammed, his actions and words, as according to his, actually Allahs commandments, from what I know, the hadiths were recorded alongside the qu'ran, more so after the revelation. If you read a commandment from the qu'ran or scriptures but you don't know how they were carried out correctly, then you resort to the hadiths, because Muhammed recieved the rightful way of how to do and be, He is an example of how to be.

The qu'ran and hadiths are needed, some can carrying on without the hadiths but many others need them, for claifying.

Hadiths are the explanation or example of the sunna of Allah (some people probably say the Prophets way but come to think of it, Muhammed followed God's law/qur'an so hence Allah's way/sunna) it gives followers an insight in how to be.

And if you didn't know already, I am non muslim.

 

P.S: hey guys, if there is any correction to be made, go ahead



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 04 November 2005 at 6:02pm
Okay, I get what the Hadiths are "supposed" to do, which is clarify.  It is much like our Doctrines and Covenants.  But, because of the claim that through Muhammed the religion was perfected, I would reason that the Hadiths which were not given directly by the prophet would not be needed.  If the Quran is the perfect book and given by God, then nothing else should be needed.  There shouldn't have to be clarification. 


Posted By: Abeer23
Date Posted: 05 November 2005 at 10:42am

Angela,

You are right.  The Quran is perfect.    It's content is flawless.  BUT that doesn't mean we don't need a teacher/example to show us how to take the content of the Quran and implement it into our lives.  

The prophet is our teacher.  He brought the quran to life through his example.   He explained it with his tounge.  Allah says:

25:33 And no question do they bring to thee but We reveal to thee the truth and the best explanation (thereof).

During the time of the prophet there were no written hadith and there was no need for such because he was there as an example.  Now, in this day and age the hadith is our connection to the prophet (s.a.w). 

We have to ask ourselves, "why did Allah ta'la send us messengers?"  He's the Almighty, he could have sent down books without messengers.  The fact is that in many areas, we need an example and/or explanation for verses, commandments,etc.  It doesn't make the Quran flawed or incomplete, it makes us HUMAN. 

Hope this helps 

Salaam

 



Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 05 November 2005 at 2:52pm
A piano is perfect & complete in that it has all the notes and one can play
anything on it. But we non-virtuosos still need composers and musicians to
enjoy it.

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Christian; Wesleyan M.Div.


Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 05 November 2005 at 3:05pm
David, I appreciate your analogy.  I understand.  The Hadiths are the user manual to the program.  That makes much more sense.


Posted By: amlhabibi2000
Date Posted: 06 November 2005 at 6:31pm

 

 

It is my belief that all Knowledge is part of the Book of Knowledge and this knowledge is in part a test to All Mankind.

Therefor one can say that any every Book is part of Islam and Life.

Whether a Book is of a Negative or Positive Nature it is a test to All Mankind to decipher what is learned from such a text and to correctly guide others to it's use or discard it.

The challenge it seems with which we are faced is to share knowledge so all Mankind may be raised to the Station for which they were intended.  That Station is Gaurdian of Themselves, others and The World.

To mean the Word Islam is the same as the Word Life and both of these words discribe a process which we are all in and that is to be good, loving, caring resopectful people and if we are not on this path then why not.

I mean no disrespect to anyone in speaking as I have.

This is in part my understanding and belief in Islam and Life.

If you ask people of other cultures they will tell you they have words that sound differently but discribe the Process of Life and Islam too.

Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi

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YUSUFALI: It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge.

 



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Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8



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