Pagan culture of Christian Doctrine
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Topic: Pagan culture of Christian Doctrine
Posted By: Rehmat
Subject: Pagan culture of Christian Doctrine
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 4:17am
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Christians take king Constantine as one of the �founding father� of their religion. He got that title from Church propaganda by its own historian, Bishop Eusebius (born 260 CE). At the time of Constantine, the religion of Romans was the pagan cult of Sol-Invictus. Actually, it was he who succeeded in converting Christianity than the other way around. King Constantine was patron of the Bishop, who represented his master at the Council of Necaea (325 CE). It was Eusebius who tells us that Constantine had a �holy vision�, which caused him to underwrite the Necaea Creed, which establishes God as Father, Jesus actually going to hell and the complex notion of Trinity. The Church, of course, accepted it to please the king. The doctrine of modern Christianity therefore, was not based on the teachings of the Gospel of Jesus (Gospel of St. Barnabas) or the Old Testament but on the vision of Constantine. Gibbon, in �Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire� points out that in the first 300 years, there was no central church � Various sects, all but one later to be formed heretical, were busily putting each other down. ------------- Know your enemy! No time to waste. Act now! Tomorrow it will be too late What You Don�t Know Can Kill You |
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Posted By: tawhid
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 8:39am
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what about the crecent on top of mosques? pretty pagan to me tawhid |
Posted By: Rehmat
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 8:57am
Did you see any picture of a mosque with 'crescent on the top' - which were built during the first 400 years of Islam? I would love to see that. ------------- Know your enemy! No time to waste. Act now! Tomorrow it will be too late What You Don�t Know Can Kill You |
tawhid wrote:Posted By: tawhid
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 4:56pm
so? so either that means that POST 400 years they decided to put a pagen symbol on...why? so it must be ok post 400 years to have a pagan symbol? no? My lord and my God the Christ, tawhid |
Posted By: Rehmat
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 6:16pm
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When Muslims conquered several European countries - they came in contact with their pagan symbols. Both crescent and star were symbols used by some Christian warlord during the Crusades, which eventually took their way into Muslim culture - just like Chrismas, Halloween, Mother Day, etc. In Islam their is no need of such symbols. Even these days, all mosques don't have crescent on their top - as every church has 'cross' and evey synagougue has 'star of Freemasonary'. [Quote}My lord and my God the Christ, tawhid[/Quote]. Hey, don't worry - I have no problem with your perception of 'god' - because my Hindu friends have 365 'god' - and believe me I never have problem with them either! However, T.W. Doarp in his 'Bible Myth' says - Lord Krishna whose history so closely resembles Jesus was also like him in his being crucified. ------------- Know your enemy! No time to waste. Act now! Tomorrow it will be too late What You Don�t Know Can Kill You |
Posted By: tawhid
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 7:05pm
Hey, don't worry - I have no problem with your perception of 'god' - because my Hindu friends have 365 'god' - and believe me I never have problem with them either! However, T.W. Doarp in his 'Bible Myth' says - Lord Krishna whose history so closely resembles Jesus was also like him in his being crucified. [/QUOTE] well that is good for tw doarp... but my God is one...i dont know about yours 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 blessings to you and your family dear rehmat tawhid |
Posted By: Rehmat
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 7:17pm
That's very amusing though - but the equation Dr. Gordon Rynalds used in 'Evolution of Christianity' - reads 1+1+1=3. ------------- Know your enemy! No time to waste. Act now! Tomorrow it will be too late What You Don�t Know Can Kill You |
Posted By: tawhid
Date Posted: 31 March 2005 at 7:27pm
i dont believe you...even more so...PROVE that gordan rynalds added 1 + 1 + 1 = 3...book and page please ...even if he did...so? are you trying to somehow divide two chrsitians apart on our doctrine (me vs dr rynalds?) as your ummah is divided into sunni and shiah and the mystics the sufi? what is your point? and it doesnt matter what i believe...inchallah is what i say.... christians dont argue 1 + 1 + 1....cmon now... you must try harder or you may be blessed with God's Spirit who can save you from this sick and perverse world.... in absolute love for rehmat tawhid....sukran my lord the Christ |
Posted By: chopanito
Date Posted: 09 April 2021 at 2:28pm
| What muslims don't realise is that Christianity existed before Constantine, such that Constantine could have not created Christianity. Moreover, Constantine's mother was already a Christian, a catholic in this case. |
Posted By: dustystranger
Date Posted: 15 May 2021 at 1:01pm
| This is true. Some groups considering themselves Christian, but which are cults, try to say that Constantine shaped Christianity. That is ludicrous. |
Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 16 May 2021 at 9:23am
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Constantine did substantially shape Christianity. When he made Christianity the state religion of Rome he created a need for public worship and the codification of the Bible. It also resulted in schism of the non-Roman churches. Of note to Islamic scholars per hadith the Prophet Muhummad was primarily influenced by Nestorian and Ebionite (Judaic) Christians. His prophethood was first proclaimed by a Nestorian hermit (Ibn Sa’d I/1, 83) and Kadijah’s first cousin Waraqah, an Ebionite bishop who was present and proclaimed, “Holy, holy!” when Muhummad first described his visitation by Gabriel and the angel’s command to “Recite!” (Ibn Ishāq, 153-4). Considering Waraqah then swore his support for Muhummad (ibid) it seems reasonable to consider a Christian to be the first proto-muslim. But Constantinian Christianity does not seem particularly relevant. References from Martin Lings’, Muhummad. ------------- Christian; Wesleyan M.Div. |
Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 01 July 2021 at 4:01pm
| Well said David C. What Rehmat is too scared to admit is that Islam has its beginnings in paganism. Shirk ! Look at the Haj for instance. Pagan ! |