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Topic: why hate to jews
Posted By: indian125
Subject: why hate to jews
Date Posted: 18 August 2014 at 3:28am
Muslims consider moses his prophet..but why dont like to jews..when moses realat to jews...
Plz try to tell me.



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Posted By: semar
Date Posted: 18 August 2014 at 3:07pm
Muslim DO NOT and SHOULD NOT hate anyone, ANY HUMAN BEING including Jews.

Yes we allow to hate the action, the attitude not the person.


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Salam/Peace,

Semar

"We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH)

"1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"


Posted By: indian125
Date Posted: 19 August 2014 at 2:31am
But muslims dont like jews..is it not true?
Why jews and muslim not like brothers..when both consider to moses.


Posted By: Sunshine Always
Date Posted: 29 August 2014 at 2:03pm
This is a good question that I wondered about myself. So I looked it up in the Quran. I used the Noble Quran website.

The answer is that Allah hated Jews, so Muslims should also hate them. There are quite a few verses in the Quran that talks about the Jews in a hateful manner:

"Fight those (Jews) who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

Say, "Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah ? [It is that of] those whom Allah has cursed (Jews) and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way."

"But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills."

"And you will surely find them (Jews)the most greedy of people for life - [even] more than those who associate others with Allah. One of them wishes that he could be granted life a thousand years, but it would not remove him in the least from the [coming] punishment that he should be granted life. And Allah is Seeing of what they do."

"O you who have believed, do not take as intimates those other than yourselves (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites), for they will not spare you [any] ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason."
So here the pot of hatred is stirred.

"Allah has certainly heard the statement of those [Jews] who said, "Indeed, Allah is poor, while we are rich." We will record what they said and their killing of the prophets without right and will say, "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire."

Again we see incitement of hatred of Jews.

"Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, "We hear and disobey" and "Hear but be not heard" and "Ra'ina," twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. And if they had said [instead], "We hear and obey" and "Wait for us [to understand]," it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few."

"And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse)"

"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies."

"And you see many of them (Jews) hastening into sin and aggression and the devouring of [what is] unlawful. How wretched is what they have been doing."

"And the Jews say, "The hand of Allah is chained." Chained are their hands, and cursed are they for what they say. Rather, both His hands are extended; He spends however He wills. And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. And We have cast among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindled the fire of war [against you], Allah extinguished it. And they strive throughout the land [causing] corruption, and Allah does not like corrupters."

"You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews..."

"We will recompense those who turn away from Our verses (Jews) with the worst of punishment for their having turned away."

"And [mention] when your Lord declared that He would surely [continue to] send upon them (Jews) until the Day of Resurrection those who would afflict them with the worst torment."

"They (Jews and Christians)want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it."

"And He brought down those who supported them among the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts [so that] a party you killed, and you took captive a party."

"And if We willed, We could have deformed them, [paralyzing them] in their places so they would not be able to proceed, nor could they return."

And much more.....

I will look in the hadiths next, but it is clear that the Quran incites hatred of Jews.


Posted By: Sunshine Always
Date Posted: 29 August 2014 at 3:19pm
I looked briefly at the hadiths. There is more incitement of hatred for Jews.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!'

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6981:

Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.'

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6983:
Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.'

Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Since Muslims follow the letter of the Quran and consider Muhammed to be a perfect example to follow, it seems clear that they would hate Jews after reading these things.


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 30 August 2014 at 11:15am
This is a sad thing, because muslims and Jews are really quite similar in practice.
and they are also connected in ancestry.


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Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 30 August 2014 at 11:28am
Originally posted by Sunshine Always Sunshine Always wrote:

This is a good question that I wondered about myself. So I looked it up in the Quran. I used the Noble Quran website.

The answer is that Allah hated Jews, so Muslims should also hate them. There are quite a few verses in the Quran that talks about the Jews in a hateful manner:

"Fight those (Jews) who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

Say, "Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah ? [It is that of] those whom Allah has cursed (Jews) and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way."

"But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills."

"And you will surely find them (Jews)the most greedy of people for life - [even] more than those who associate others with Allah. One of them wishes that he could be granted life a thousand years, but it would not remove him in the least from the [coming] punishment that he should be granted life. And Allah is Seeing of what they do."

"O you who have believed, do not take as intimates those other than yourselves (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites), for they will not spare you [any] ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason."
So here the pot of hatred is stirred.

"Allah has certainly heard the statement of those [Jews] who said, "Indeed, Allah is poor, while we are rich." We will record what they said and their killing of the prophets without right and will say, "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire."

Again we see incitement of hatred of Jews.

"Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, "We hear and disobey" and "Hear but be not heard" and "Ra'ina," twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. And if they had said [instead], "We hear and obey" and "Wait for us [to understand]," it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few."

"And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse)"

"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies."

"And you see many of them (Jews) hastening into sin and aggression and the devouring of [what is] unlawful. How wretched is what they have been doing."

"And the Jews say, "The hand of Allah is chained." Chained are their hands, and cursed are they for what they say. Rather, both His hands are extended; He spends however He wills. And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. And We have cast among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindled the fire of war [against you], Allah extinguished it. And they strive throughout the land [causing] corruption, and Allah does not like corrupters."

"You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews..."

"We will recompense those who turn away from Our verses (Jews) with the worst of punishment for their having turned away."

"And [mention] when your Lord declared that He would surely [continue to] send upon them (Jews) until the Day of Resurrection those who would afflict them with the worst torment."

"They (Jews and Christians)want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it."

"And He brought down those who supported them among the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts [so that] a party you killed, and you took captive a party."

"And if We willed, We could have deformed them, [paralyzing them] in their places so they would not be able to proceed, nor could they return."

And much more.....

I will look in the hadiths next, but it is clear that the Quran incites hatred of Jews.


It seems self-proclaimed know-it-alls have come out in droves in recent days.  They know nothing.  They have never read the Quran, and yet they presume to tell others what it says.

When we look at how "Sunshine Always" quotes the verses, we notice two things.  First, he/she does not even provide the Surah and Ayat number.  The reason becomes clear when we actually read some of the verses quoted above.  For example, the first verse he/she quotes is from Surah Tawba, verse 29.  Using the "Noble Quran" website, here is what the verse http://quran.com/9/29 - says :

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

Notice that the translation does not even mention the Jews.  It mentions "those who were given the Scripture", which is a reference to both Jews and Christians.  So why did "Sunshine Always" add "Jews" to it? Confused

In actuality, the verse was revealed with regard to the Byzantines, not the Jews.  However, it was applied from that point on to include all non-Muslim nations which were hostile to Islam.  The Byzantines had attacked the Muslims at Muta.

Another example of "Sunshine Always" deceptive quoting of the Quran can be see in the following:

"You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews..."  

Notice the ellipses.  Why are they placed there?  Well, obviously because "Sunshine Always" does not want people to read the rest of the verse.  It is from Surah Al-Maeda, verse 82.  Here is what it http://quran.com/5/82 - states :

"You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah ; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant."


As can be seen, the Quran was stating that the early Muslims were facing the stiffest opposition from the Jews and the Mushrikin (idol worshipers) whereas many Christians were friendly towards them.  This verse was specifically revealed with regard to the Negus of Abyssinia, who allowed some Muslims refugees fleeing persecution to settle in his country.  The Negus also was brought to tears when he heard a verse talking about Jesus and Mary.  When he died, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said the funeral prayer for him.

We can see that this verse was criticizing the Jews for opposing the Messenger of Allah and the message of Islam.  That is the context of the other verses.  They are legitimate criticisms of the Jews of Arabia for their incessant opposition to the Muslims.  Is criticism akin to "hatred"?  Of course not.

And of course, "Sunshine Always" has conveniently ignored all the other verses which tell Muslims to deal justly with all people, Christian and Jews included, as well as verses which differentiate between the "good" Jews and Christians and the "bad" ones.  Here are some:

"They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allah during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer].

They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and hasten to good deeds. And those are among the righteous." (Surah Al-Imran, 3:113-114)


"And indeed, among the People of the Scripture are those who believe in Allah and what was revealed to you and what was revealed to them, [being] humbly submissive to Allah . They do not exchange the verses of Allah for a small price. Those will have their reward with their Lord. Indeed, Allah is swift in account." (Surah Al-Imran, 3:199)

"And among the people of Moses is a community which guides by truth and by it establishes justice." (Surah Al-Araf, 7:159)

"And [the believers among] those to whom We have given the [previous] Scripture rejoice at what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], but among the [opposing] factions are those who deny part of it. Say, "I have only been commanded to worship Allah and not associate [anything] with Him. To Him I invite, and to Him is my return."" (Surah Ar-Rad, 13:36)

"And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." (Surah Al-Ankaboot, 29:46)

"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.

Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers." (Surah Al-Mumtahanah, 60:8-9)


As we can see, there is ample evidence from the Quran that Muslims are not to just hate people, whether Jews or anyone else.  If "Sunshine Always" disagrees, then perhaps he/she can produce a verse which says that.  We will wait here while you go search the "Noble Quran" website for such a verse. LOL 


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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)



Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 30 August 2014 at 11:50am
Originally posted by Sunshine Always Sunshine Always wrote:

I looked briefly at the hadiths. There is more incitement of hatred for Jews.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!'

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6981:

Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.'

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6983:
Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.'

Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Since Muslims follow the letter of the Quran and consider Muhammed to be a perfect example to follow, it seems clear that they would hate Jews after reading these things.


No, what seems clear is that these hadiths are all talking about a future war that will involve Jews and Muslims.  Since it is well known that Muslims are forbidden to kill non-combatants, the above hadiths are referring to hostile Jews. 

Moreover, we can refer to early Islamic history to show how Jews were treated by Muslims.  The first example we can refer to is the "Treaty of Medina" (also known as the " http://www.constitution.org/cons/medina/macharter.htm - Constitution of Medina ").  Here are some relevant excerpts:

"Those Jews who follow the Believers will be helped and will be treated with equality. (Social, legal and economic equality is promised to all loyal citizens of the State).

No Jew will be wronged for being a Jew.

The enemies of the Jews who follow us will not be helped.

The Jews will contribute towards the war when fighting alongside the Believers.

The Jews of Bani Awf will be treated as one community with the Believers. The Jews have their religion. This will also apply to their freedmen. The exception will be those who act unjustly and sinfully. By so doing they wrong themselves and their families.

The same applies to Jews of Bani Al-Najjar, Bani Al Harith, Bani Saeeda, Bani Jusham, Bani Al Aws, Thaalba, and the Jaffna, (a clan of the Bani Thaalba) and the Bani Al Shutayba."


Where is the "hatred" of Jews?

Second, let us refer to the case of Caliph Umar ibn Al-Khattab (may Allah be please with him) and how he ended more than 500 years of Jewish exile from Jerusalem.  When the Christians controlled the city, the Jews were banned from living there.  But when the Muslims conquered the city in 637, Hazrat Umar allowed the Jews to return to the city, becoming the first ruler to do so since the Romans expelled the Jews in 70 CE.  How many Christians rulers did that? 

In fact, Hazrat Umar's great compassion is one reason he is spoken of so highly in the Jewish sources.  The http://go.galegroup.com.libaccess.fdu.edu/ps/retrieve.do?sgHitCountType=None&sort=RELEVANCE&inPS=true&prodId=GVRL&userGroupName=fairdulib&tabID=T003&searchId=R2&resultListType=RESULT_LIST&contentSegment=&searchType=AdvancedSearchForm&currentPosition=2&contentSet=GALE|CX2587515096&&docId=GALE|CX2587515096&docType=GALE - Encyclopedia Judaica states the following about Umar:

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A man of simple manners and approach, he adopted a humane attitude to non-Muslims as well, and earned the epithet of al-Fārūq ("he who can distinguish truth from falsehood"); according to one tradition, the Jews gave him that name. Balādhurī (d. 862) reports that the Jews of *Khaybar , the last Jewish community in the Hejaz, who had been permitted by *Muḥammad to remain on their land in exchange for one half of their yearly crop, were expelled to Tayma and Jericho by Omar; Ibn al-Athīr (Mosul, 1160�1233) adds that Omar reimbursed them with one half the value of their land. [�] Omar permitted the Jews to reestablish their presence in Jerusalem�after a lapse of 500 years�and also seems to have allotted them a place for prayers on the Temple Mount (from which they were driven out at a later date). Jewish tradition regards Omar as a benevolent ruler and the Midrash (Nistarot de-Rav Shimon bar Yoḥai) refers to him as a "friend of Israel." According to Ṭabarī, a Jewish sage told Omar that he was destined to become the ruler of the Holy Land."

So, where is the "hatred" for Jews? 

Third, let us refer to the Ottoman Empire and how it provided safe haven for Jews fleeing Christian persecution during the Inquisition.  According to http://www.jerusalemonline.com/israel-history/ottoman-empire-a-safe-haven-for-jewish-refugees-5797 - Rachel Avraham of "Israel News":

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The Ottoman Empire was a safe haven for the Jewish people, who experienced a golden age there similar to the Golden Age of Spain. During this period of history, Turkish-Jewish relations were phenomenal. It was a time of peace, prosperity, and serenity for Ottoman Jews."

In fact, she notes that the Ottoman sultan Bayezid II specifically sent Kemal Reis "to save the Sephardic Jews of Spain from the Spanish Inquisition..."

So, where is the "hatred" for Jews?

Now, have there been instances where Jews and Muslims have fought against each other?  Have there been cases where Muslims have persecuted Jews?  Of course.  An example is the reign of the Almohads, who ruled Spain for almost 50 years in the 12th century. 

As for the question of why there is so much animosity between Jews and Muslims currently (and there is such animosity), the answer is pretty simple.  It is because of the conflict in Palestine and the oppression of the Palestinians by the apartheid state of Israel.  Does that justify hatred on either side?  Of course not!  But that is the main reason why there is currently an atmosphere of hatred.  But many Muslims who are critical of Israel (such as myself) make sure to differentiate between Zionism and Judaism.  These are two different ideologies, as even many Jews note.  For example, the organization "Netura Karta" is a Jewish organization which is vehemently opposed to Zionism and the state of Israel.  Here is their website:

http://www.nkusa.org/ - http://www.nkusa.org/

 


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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)



Posted By: kodoo
Date Posted: 31 August 2014 at 4:05am
Please look up;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGDbOozrKQ - "What Do Muslims Think of Jews Event by Hajj Hassanain Rajabali"


Posted By: Sunshine Always
Date Posted: 01 September 2014 at 2:59pm
"First, he/she does not even provide the Surah and Ayat number."

You can very easily look it up in less than 5 seconds. The Noble Quran site has a search.

All the quotes speak for themselves. There is so much animosity and hatred for both Jews and Christians in the Quran and hadiths, but Jews get the worst of it. And today what do we see? Muslims slaughtering Jews and Christians.

I certainly did read the Quran and the hadiths. I was shocked by the actions of Muhammed and sickened by the hatred.

I will also say that I learned about abrogation and that the Quran is not in chronological order. I was then able to dismiss earlier verses and understand the full extent of hatred.


Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 03 September 2014 at 12:24am
Assalamalecum, sunshine, Allah in ch 49 v 13 of Quran says Allah had created whole mankind from a couple and divided us into different regions and colours and asked us to love each other and not hatred, the best amongst u in the sight of Allah is the one who is righteous.so I ask u where Allah commands us to hate????


Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 03 September 2014 at 11:00am
Originally posted by Sunshine Always Sunshine Always wrote:

"First, he/she does not even provide the Surah and Ayat number."

You can very easily look it up in less than 5 seconds. The Noble Quran site has a search.

All the quotes speak for themselves. There is so much animosity and hatred for both Jews and Christians in the Quran and hadiths, but Jews get the worst of it. And today what do we see? Muslims slaughtering Jews and Christians.

I certainly did read the Quran and the hadiths. I was shocked by the actions of Muhammed and sickened by the hatred.

I will also say that I learned about abrogation and that the Quran is not in chronological order. I was then able to dismiss earlier verses and understand the full extent of hatred.


I think what is shocking is the extent to which people like you go to present their "resume" ("I certainly did read the Quran and hadith"; "I learned this"; "I learned that" etc.) to hide the plain fact that they are ignoramuses who really no nothing. 

You should be sickened by your own ignorance and deception.  I refuted all of your asinine claims by referring to Islamic sources as well as Islamic history.

I would love to know from where you acquired your...(cough)..."knowledge" about Islam.  I ask because, based on my experience, people like you usually get their information from pseudoscholars like Robert Spencer and others.  Real impressive! LOL


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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)



Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 September 2014 at 6:02pm
Originally posted by Sunshine Always Sunshine Always wrote:

"First, he/she does not even provide the Surah and Ayat number."

You can very easily look it up in less than 5 seconds. The Noble Quran site has a search.

All the quotes speak for themselves. There is so much animosity and hatred for both Jews and Christians in the Quran and hadiths, but Jews get the worst of it. And today what do we see? Muslims slaughtering Jews and Christians.

I certainly did read the Quran and the hadiths. I was shocked by the actions of Muhammed and sickened by the hatred.

I will also say that I learned about abrogation and that the Quran is not in chronological order. I was then able to dismiss earlier verses and understand the full extent of hatred.

Peace unto you!

You can only be talking about Rocthschild Zionist Jews and Zionist Christians who support them because the whole world is waking up and realize who is the Devil.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.
  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%203:9&version=9 - Behold, I will make them of the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


Rotchschild Zionist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xe5cQDIbMs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xe5cQDIbMs
 

Manufacture History:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhEtCL_zkwk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhEtCL_zkwk

 
Jews against Zionism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCOSRg-gks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCOSRg-gks


Jews Protest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQ9C6vni0w - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQ9C6vni0w


�KNOWKEDGE IT POWER!

  When you know when the next solar eclipse is going to occur and others around you don�t, you can demand a lot from a primitive society when you threatens to turn of the sun. People with secret knowledge of astronomy are going to try to keep that knowledge to themselves, the moment they share that knowledge their power over any society is eliminated. Large groups of people can be hold in check by believe system given to them by a tiny elite which keep a core of knowledge to themselves, this is why the most powerful groups in any society operates in secret. In fact, the word �occult� does not mean evil; it means �secret�. You are not suppose to know the secrets of the elite, once you discover and verifies this secrets you will shock to know the elite controls you.� (Lulrich)

The whole history how they came to power:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6v8nzFiUk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6v8nzFiUk

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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 September 2014 at 6:55pm


Zionist Christian:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11065.htm -

American Christian Fundamentalist Leader Calls For Global War),

By Yoginder Sikand

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If Christian fundamentalists are to be believed, America's invasion of Iraq and the consequent brutal slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians in that country are all part of a grand divine plan that will finally culminate in the 'second coming' of Jesus Christ. Establishing an empire that will extend all over the globe, Christ will rule like a powerful monarch, saving those who believe in him and dispatching non-believers, all non-Christians and non-conformist Christians, to everlasting perdition in hell. This is no childish nonsense for millions of Christian fundamentalists, who sincerely believe this to be predicted in the Bible. Not surprisingly, American Christian fundamentalists are today among the most fanatic supporters of Bush's global imperialist wars, in Iraq and elsewhere, which they see as in keeping with the divine mandate. They are no eccentric or lunatic fringe elements, for today Christian fundamentalists exercise a powerful influence in American politics. Among them is George Bush himself, who insists that the American invasion of Iraq has been sanctioned by God, with whom he claims to be in personal communication.

While the Western press is awash with stories, real and exaggerated, about 'Islamic fundamentalists', rarely is mention made about Christian fundamentalists, who, with their vast resources and close links with the current American administration, are a potentially more menacing threat than their Muslim counterparts. According to newspaper reports more than a third of Americans are associated with one or the other Christian fundamentalist outfit, most of which are fiercely anti-communist, anti-Muslim and are passionate advocates of free-market capitalism, global American hegemony and the myth of the civilizing mission of white America. In recent years, these fundamentalist groups have been engaged in aggressive missionary work in other countries as well, including in the so-called 'Third World'. Fired by a passionate hatred for other religions, which they dismiss as 'false' and even 'Satanic', they are today among the most well-funded missionary groups in large parts of Asia and Africa. Crusading for Christ, these fundamentalist groups are not simply out fishing for souls. Rather, for them Christianity is only part of the agenda, which also includes aggressively promoting American and Zionist interests. Today, these groups preach not only Christ but also Pax Americana and even American-led imperialist wars, which they bless as holy causes to usher in the final arrival of Jesus�

Christian fundamentalists are ardent advocates of free-market capitalism, having played a key role in America's war against communism during the Cold War. Christ, capitalism and American supremacy go together, Evans believes, and so, while announcing that an American-spearheaded global war is precisely what Christ mandates, he approvingly quotes Isser Harel, founder of the Israeli secret services' organization Mossad, who speaks of the 'terror' threat to America's 'freedom', 'capitalism' and 'power', and exhorts America to take appropriate defence measures. Evans goes so far as to advise the America to capture all the oil wealth in Arab lands in order to prevent 'terrorists' from using oil wealth to target Israel, home to God's supposedly 'special people'. A more ingenuous excuse to justify American greed could hardly be devised!

Since Muslims, especially the Arabs, are branded virtually as agents of the Devil, Evans argues that America, as self-appointed agent of Christ, should have no qualms about invading oil-rich Arab lands. This would, he says, break America's dependence on Muslim countries for oil which. If America seizes all Arab oil-fields, it would, he says, sharply reduce oil prices, forcing Muslim countries 'to their knees', giving them only two options: 'cooperate with the war on terror or go bankrupt'. At the same time as he exhorts America to invade and occupy all the countries, no matter what the human cost, Evans warns that it should not be serious about its rhetoric of exporting 'democracy' to the Middle East, for, he argues, it would lead to anti-American and anti-Israeli Islamists taking over.


More information:

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http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23760&PN=8 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23760&PN=8


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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 September 2014 at 6:57pm
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The Despoiling Of America Link: http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm - How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State

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The First Prince of the Theocratic States of America It happened quietly, with barely a mention in the media. Only the Washington Post dutifully reported it.[1] And only Kevin Phillips saw its significance in his new book, American Dynasty.[2] On December 24, 2001, Pat Robertson resigned his position as President of the Christian Coalition. Behind the scenes religious conservatives were abuzz with excitement. They believed Robertson had stepped down to allow the ascendance of the President of the United States of America to take his rightful place as the head of the true American Holy Christian Church. Robertson�s act was symbolic, but it carried a secret and solemn revelation to the faithful. It was the signal that the Bush administration was a government under God that was led by an anointed President who would be the first regent in a dynasty of regents awaiting the return of Jesus to earth. The President would now be the minister through whom God would execute His will in the nation. George W. Bush accepted his scepter and his sword with humility, grace and a sense of exultation. As Antonin Scalia, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court explained a few months later, the Bible teaches and Christians believe �� that government �derives its moral authority from God. Government is the �minister of God� with powers to �revenge,� to �execute wrath,� including even wrath by the sword��[3]

 

How Dominionism Was Spread

The years 1982-1986 marked the period Pat Robertson and radio and televangelists urgently broadcast appeals that rallied Christian followers to accept a new political religion that would turn millions of Christians into an army of political operatives. It was the period when the militant church raised itself from centuries of sleep and once again eyed power.

At the time, most Americans were completely unaware of the militant agenda being preached on a daily basis across the breadth and width of America. Although it was called �Christianity� it can barely be recognized as Christian. It in fact was and is a wolf parading in sheep�s clothing: It was and is a political scheme to take over the government of the United States and then turn that government into an aggressor nation that will forcibly establish the United States as the ruling empire of the twenty-first century. It is subversive, seditious, secretive, and dangerous. http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm#_edn9 - [9]

Dominionism is a natural if unintended extension of Social Darwinism and is frequently called �Christian Reconstructionism.� Its doctrines are shocking to ordinary Christian believers and to most Americans. Journalist Frederick Clarkson, who has written extensively on the subject, warned in 1994 that Dominionism �seeks to replace democracy with a theocratic elite that would govern by imposing their interpretation of �Biblical Law.�� He described the ulterior motive of Dominionism is to eliminate ��labor unions, civil rights laws, and public schools.� Clarkson then describes the creation of new classes of citizens:

�Women would be generally relegated to hearth and home. Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed. So severe is this theocracy that it would extend capital punishment [to] blasphemy, heresy, adultery, and homosexuality.� http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm#_edn10 - [10]

Today, Dominionists hide their agenda and have resorted to stealth; one investigator who has engaged in internet exchanges with people who identify themselves as religious conservatives said, �They cut and run if I mention the word �Dominionism.�� http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm#_edn11 - [11]  Joan Bokaer, the Director of Theocracy Watch, a project of the Center for Religion, Ethics and Social Policy at Cornell University wrote, �In March 1986, I was on a speaking tour in Iowa and received a copy of the following memo [Pat] Robertson had distributed to the Iowa Republican County Caucus titled, �How to Participate in a Political Party.� It read:

�Rule the world for God.

�Give the impression that you are there to work for the party, not push an ideology.

�Hide your strength.

�Don�t flaunt your Christianity.

�Christians need to take leadership positions. Party officers control political parties and so it is very important that mature Christians have a majority of leadership positions whenever possible, God willing.� http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm#_edn12 - [12]

Dominionists have gained extensive control of the Republican Party and the apparatus of government throughout the United States; they continue to operate secretly. Their agenda to undermine all government social programs that assist the poor, the sick, and the elderly is ingeniously disguised under false labels that confuse voters. Nevertheless, as we shall see, Dominionism maintains the necessity of laissez-faire economics, requiring that people �look to God and not to government for help.� http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm#_edn13 - [13]

 

It is estimated that thirty-five million Americans who call themselves Christian, adhere to Dominionism in the United States, but most of these people appear to be ignorant of the heretical nature of their beliefs and the seditious nature of their political goals. So successfully have the televangelists and churches inculcated the idea of the existence of an outside �enemy,� which is attacking Christianity, that millions of people have perceived themselves rightfully overthrowing an imaginary evil anti-Christian conspiratorial secular society.

 

How Dominionism Stealthily Swept Over America

Within a period of twenty to thirty years beginning in the 1970�s, Dominionism spread like wild fire throughout the evangelical, Pentecostal and fundamentalist religious communities in America. It was aided and abetted by television and radio evangelists. More than any other man, Pat Robertson mobilized the millions of politically indifferent and socially despised Pentecostals and fundamentalists in America and turned them into an angry potent army of political conquerors. http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm#_edn46 - [46]

 

But it would be a mistake to limit Dominionism to the Pentecostals and fundamentalists alone: conservative Roman Catholics and Episcopalians have joined and enlarged the swelling numbers. http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm#_edn47 - [47] Robertson, like other media preachers, used every form of communication: television, radio, books and audio tapes available for sale. One book stands out. Originally published in 1982 and written with Bob Slosser, a key Robertson loyalist, Pat Robertson�s The Secret Kingdom soared on the bestseller charts. It underwent four printings during its first year. By 1984 Bantam published a mass paperback in cooperation with Thomas Nelson, the original publisher. (Though the book has since been revised, my quotes are from the original version.)

 

However, it was the Pentecostals and fundamentalists who made up the core of Robertson�s audience. To a people who were largely uneducated and who often remained ignorant even if they went through college because of their fear of becoming tainted by the �world and worldliness,� Dominionism came as a brilliant light that assuaged their deep sense of inferiority. Pentecostals in particular could take comfort from the notion that no longer would the world think of them as �Holy Rollers� who danced in the �Spirit� and practiced glossolalia. This time, they would be on top�they would be the head and not the tail�and the so-called elite, the educated of the world, would be on the bottom.

 

A new world was coming. To help the transition along, Pat Robertson, along with other pastors, evangelists and churchmen, founded schools, universities and colleges throughout the United States to train �Christians� how to run for office, how to win, and how to manage the affairs of government after they gained office. To get an idea of how successful the plan was, Robertson�s Regent University now has a $100 million endowment. After watching the Dominionists takeover the Republican Party and observing their ruthless methods, it is indeed apparent that Machiavellian principles are the fuel running their �How to Manual.�

 

Starting with a class of only twelve in 1985, Robertson began his Journalism Department at CBN University where 800 other graduate students were earning Master degrees in a fully accredited institution. Later Robertson changed the name of CBN University to �Regent University��based on Dominionism�s teaching that the national government of America and governments of the world will be ruled by Dominionists, who will act as regents on an interim basis, that is, until the true King�Jesus Christ�will return to earth again and gratefully accept His Kingdom from the hands of His faithful regents.

 

KNOW THE TRUTH AN SET YOURSELF FREE MY CHRISTIANS FRIENDS!

 

TNC



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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 09 September 2014 at 7:14pm
Oh, dear brother zainool, I pray that you will spare yourself such propaganda, I fear it will be a fatal poison to your soul.
asalaam,
Caringheart


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"I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 September 2014 at 7:35pm
 

Who controls the federal reserve the Rothschilds bankers

All wars are banker�s war

This is two links to the same video or you can go to YouTube and look up "all wars are bankers war"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-0BPMwgKNA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-0BPMwgKNA


Modern slavery by the Rotchschilds Zionist bankers:

The best kept secrets of the dollars:

http://stormcloudsgathering.com/the-best-kept-secrets-of-the-dollar - http://stormcloudsgathering.com/the-best-kept-secrets-of-the-dollar


When will the economy collapse?
when the federal reserve began flooding the economy with cash through the bailouts and its series of quantitative easing many predicted that this would quickly lead to hyper-inflation. America was about to become the next Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe. We were going to be carrying wheel barrels full of cash to the grocery store just to buy bread. Many predicted this to happen by the summer of 2009, others by mid 2011. They were all wrong. Why?

They were wrong because they didn't understand what actually gives the dollar value. It's true that the U.S. dollar is debt based, and is not backed by gold or any other precious metal, and it's true that when money is created as debt it comes with interest and the money to pay that interest never exists, therefore it is inherently a ponzi scheme doomed to fail from the start, however it is not entirely accurate to say that the dollar is backed by nothing.

The U.S. dollar, which is the world currency and therefore effects everyone on this planet, is backed by two things: Oil and the U.S. military. After Nixon ended the gold standard in 1971 he immediately began brokering deals with every member of OPEC offering military protection in return for them only selling their oil in U.S. dollars. By 1975 every OPEC nation had been brought into this agreement. From that point on if you wanted to buy oil in the international markets you needed Federal Reserve notes, and that meant that America could now print out as much funny money as they wanted, and the rest of the world would still have to use it as long as no one in OPEC backed out. This arrangement is called the Petrodollar status. This is what prevents the dollar from going into hyperinflation like a normal currency might.

Watch the video:When will the economy collapse?

http://stormcloudsgathering.com/when-will-the-economy-collapse-0 - http://stormcloudsgathering.com/when-will-the-economy-collapse-0


Road to world war three:

Why did United States attack Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan... Yemen? Why did United States attack Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan... Yemen? Why are U.S. covert operatives helping destabilize Syria? And why is the United States government so intent on taking down Iran in spite of the fact that Iran has not attacked any country since 1798?

http://stormcloudsgathering.com/the-road-to-world-war-3 - http://stormcloudsgathering.com/the-road-to-world-war-3


World War Three is not going to be an accident. It will not be caused by an unfortunate chain events that the US struggles to avoid. It is a goal, an objective that will be pursued at all costs by the Rothschilds zionist bankers.

http://stormcloudsgathering.com/total-collapse-build-world-war-iii - http://stormcloudsgathering.com/total-collapse-build-world-war-iii

I hope all my post open you eyes, Inshallah!

Br. zainool



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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 September 2014 at 8:11pm
Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

Oh, dear brother zainool, I pray that you will spare yourself such propaganda, I fear it will be a fatal poison to your soul.
asalaam,
Caringheart


Peace unto you!

That is not propaganda! those information are "FACTS"!

The agenda of the Rothschild Zionist Jews is to enslave the world with their "INTEREST BASE DOLLAR" (invade 7 country in 5 yrs. to enslave them with the Dollar) and they are  using Christians to help them.

First they Created the Problem then wait for the People reaction them provide the solution.

The created the war in Syria to over trow the Government and they send in aid workers. Who are they? Christians!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZEdseqFFkQ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZEdseqFFkQ



We know what the Devil is up to!

USAID has a history of working with the CIA as a front operation to help them spread that special kind of �democracy� (read as  http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/05/02/imf-demands-violence-against-separatists-in-eastern-ukraine-puppet-regime-complies/ - IMF inspired brutal repression ) in nations where we have installed brutal dictators in support of our neoliberal economic agenda.

� In  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Vietnam - South Vietnam , the  http://www.usaid.gov/ - U.S. Agency for International Development  (USAID)provided cover for CIA operatives so widely that the two became almost synonymous.�  http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/04/cia_chief_promises_spies_new_a.html - Washington Post

As the bodies of labor union reps and dissidents are piling up  http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/05/03/39-people-die-after-radicals-set-trade-unions-house-on-fire-in-ukraines-odessa/ - on the stairwells of Odessa  and the  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/06/ukraine-says-30-pro-russian-insurgents-killed/ - streets of eastern Ukraine , today it is reported that  http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/05/03/361157/usaid-to-up-aid-for-ukraine-media/ - USAID needs another couple million  to support pro-Western �media outlets� in the run-up to the sham election to be held in the troubled state.

The US Agency for International Development (USAID) has promised to beef up financial aid for Ukraine�s pro-Western media outlets amid a mounting dispute between the West and Russia.  http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/05/03/361157/usaid-to-up-aid-for-ukraine-media/ - Press TV

Two weeks ago it was reported that the agency created a Twitter-like program (ZunZuneo) in Cuba with the express purpose of fostering dissent and creating unrest in the nation with the hopes of setting up yet another regime change color revolution. Turns out their efforts were not limited to Cuba.

�In a number of countries, including Venezuela and Bolivia, USAID is acting more as an agency involved in covert action, like the CIA, than as an aid or development agency.�  http://inthesetimes.com/article/3697/no_strings_attached - Marc Weisbrot

It should be noted that USAID�s efforts aren�t limited to White Hat psyops.

�Guatemala: By 1970, USAID trained over 30,000 Guatemalan police to suppress local leftists, according to  http://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/guatemala - William Blum�s book  �Killing Hope.� Just over a decade later, Guatemalan death squads under US-backed dictator Rios Montt unleashed a  http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/world/americas/gen-efrain-rios-montt-of-guatemala-guilty-of-genocide.html?pagewanted=all - genocide  on the Mayan peasants.�  http://pando.com/2014/04/08/the-murderous-history-of-usaid-the-us-government-agency-behind-cubas-fake-twitter-clone/ - Pando Daily

� The Vietnam War: USAID trained police and ran civilian jails. USAID also participated in the �soft� side of the Phoenix Program � funding the failed http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=886&dat=19730823&id=sJAxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=tVADAAAAIBAJ&pg=4712,4129707 - �Land to the Tillers�  program granting peasants small plots of land, a program that has a poor track record, but serves some important foreign policy/propaganda purpose every time it�s rolled out because it remains one of the most enduring boondoggles in the USAID kit.  http://pando.com/2014/04/08/the-murderous-history-of-usaid-the-us-government-agency-behind-cubas-fake-twitter-clone/ - Pando Daily

n the early 1960s agents from the State Department, Green Berets, CIA, and USAID organized two paramilitary groups that would become the backbone of that country�s death squad system.�   http://books.google.com/books?id=xLVl8x0S66MC&pg=PA154&dq=chomsky+usaid&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Am4eU4O0D4T1oATigIH4CQ&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=chomsky%20usaid&f=false - Greg Grandin

They were even involved in Russia during the neoliberal Yeltsin disaster.

USAID funded Chubais through public-private organizations and a  http://articles.latimes.com/1999/sep/12/opinion/op-9170 - Harvard program  that was so patently corrupt, Harvard and its program directors including economist Andrei Shleifer were  http://oig.usaid.gov/sites/default/files/073004070_harvard_case_settlement%5B1%5D.pdf - sued  by the US Department of Justice for  http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2004/7/2/harvard-may-face-millions-in-damages/ - �conspiring to defraud�  the US government (not to mention Russians). USAID also paid public relations giant  http://scrible.com/s/2yFM2 - Burson-Marsteller  to sell the disastrous voucher program to the Russian public, in a mass media advertising blitz that  http://scrible.com/s/0yVM2 - promoted Chubais� political party  on the eve of parliamentary elections. It was this  http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/the-way-out/285358.html - USAID funded privatization , and the USAID-backed Russia �democrats,� which soured Russians on market capitalism and democracy (renamed �dermokratsia� or �shitocracy� in Russian).  http://pando.com/2014/04/08/the-murderous-history-of-usaid-the-us-government-agency-behind-cubas-fake-twitter-clone/ - Pando Daily

This USAID effort in Ukraine is nothing new. They�ve been at this trick for years and years going back to a time when President Peace Prize was a toddler at his mother�s side in Indonesia working for another IMF/World Bank creation; one of the most brutal dictators in human history, Suharto ( http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/kagame-murderer-millions-congo-and-rwanda - an argument can be made  also for our � http://www.france-rwanda.info/article-new-york-times-calls-rwanda-s-paul-kagame-darling-dictator-of-the-day-106544700.html - darling dictator � of Rwanda, Paul Kagame).

(Keep in mind, at that point, �65, �(USAID) provided cover for CIA operatives so widely that the two became almost synonymous�)

�Obama�s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, worked on micro-financing projects for the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) and Ford Foundation, both linked to the CIA, that helped prop up dictatorships in Indonesia and Pakistan. After Suharto seized power in 1965, USAID returned to Indonesia, with Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro as one of its chief employees, to help Suharto create the New Order (Orde Baru) that would usher in decades of fascist and kleptocratic rule.� source

Her exact roll there is questionable at best. The �micro-financing projects� were simply cover for getting people on the ground in the targeted areas of Indonesia to rat-out the local leftists and political organizers. The �loans� were probably payments for the information which was turned over to the CIA and from there to Suharto�s death squads for the formation of his infamous lists.

Indonesia, 1963-65. U.S. trained unionist spies laid groundwork for post 1965 coup gestapu massacre of leftists by gathering intelligence on leftist unionists. Counterspy, Winter 1979, p. 27

Indonesia, 1965-66. �U.S. officials� lists aided Indonesian blood bath in �60s.� U.S. officials supplied the names of thousands of members of Indonesian Communist Party (PKI) to the army that was hunting them down and killing them in a crackdown branded as one of the century�s worst massacres, former U.S. Diplomats and CIA officials say. Robert J. Martens, Former member of embassy�s political section said, �it really was a big help to the army�. They probably killed a lot of people�� Martens said. He headed an embassy group of state Department and CIA officials that spent two years compiling the lists. He said he delivered them to an army intermediary. The lists were a detailed who�s who of the leadership of the PKI that included names of provincial, city and other local PKI members and leaders of mass organizations. Ambassador Marshall Green, his deputy Jack Lydman, and political section chief Edward Masters admitted approving the release of the names. Army intermediary was an aide to Adam Malik. The aide, Tirta Kentjana Adhyatman, confirmed that he had met with Martens and received lists of thousands of names�given to Sukarno�s HQs. Information on who captured and killed came to Americans from Suharto�s HQs, according to former CIA deputy chief of station Joseph Lazarsky. Lazarsky said �we were getting a good account in Jakarta of who was being picked up,���the army had a �shooting list� of about 4,000 to 5,000 people.� Lazarsky said the check-off work was also carried out at CIA�s intelligence directorate in D.C. By end of January 1966, �the checked off names were so numerous the CIA analysts in Washington concluded the PKI leadership had been destroyed.� Washington Post, 5/21/1990, A5

Indonesia, 1965-66 Indonesian generals approached U.S. for equipment �to arm Moslem and nationalist youths for use in central Java against the PKI.� Washington responded by supplying covert aid, dispatched as �medicines.� Washington Post, 6/13/1990, A 22  http://www.serendipity.li/cia/death_squads1.htm#Indonesia - Serendipity

So going back to Friday�s slaughter of dissidents and labor leaders in Odessa. Sound familiar?

And now USAID is right there on the ground, coincidentally enough, days after it became known that  http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/05/04/cia-and-fbi-setting-up-death-squads-in-ukraine-is-thuggism-its-rogue-state-ism/ - the CIA and the FBI are in Ukraine aiding yet another unelected brutal IMF-backed dictator  on our behalf.

When India was neoliberalized, far-right thugs backed by and even steered by local police, roamed the streets at night targeting the homes of various leftists such as labor leaders, writers and political opposition and dissidents. Countless people were dragged from their homes and beaten to death by the mobs in front of their wives and children while the law stood by and did nothing. This was done too ensure the stability of the new neoliberal system for years to come.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-front-usaid-spreading-democracy-gearing-up-in-ukraine-suharto-ii/5381174 - http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-front-usaid-spreading-democracy-gearing-up-in-ukraine-suharto-ii/5381174



Who train the terrorist as they call them?  Is the CIA, the Rothschild Zionist secret service.

http://scgnews.com/the-covert-origins-of-isis - http://scgnews.com/the-covert-origins-of-isis


But the tide is turning!

Br zainool




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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 09 September 2014 at 8:45pm
Originally posted by kodoo kodoo wrote:

Please look up;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGDbOozrKQ - "What Do Muslims Think of Jews Event by Hajj Hassanain Rajabali"

I like how this guy teaches.  He seems very peace among people, oriented.
but he makes one mistake...
Christians do not deny that Ishmael was born first... Jews and Christians both know that this is true... but Ishmael was not the son promised to Abraham... for God said He would give Abraham a son through his wife Sarai.  Isaac was the promised son... the son born within the will of God.  Ishmael was conceived outside the will of God.

Is it a common misconception among muslims to think that Christians and Jews believe Isaac was born first?

asalaam.


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Blessed be God forever
"I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 September 2014 at 10:46pm
Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

Originally posted by kodoo kodoo wrote:

Please look up;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGDbOozrKQ - "What Do Muslims Think of Jews Event by Hajj Hassanain Rajabali"

I like how this guy teaches.  He seems very peace among people, oriented.
but he makes one mistake...
Christians do not deny that Ishmael was born first... Jews and Christians both know that this is true... but Ishmael was not the son promised to Abraham... for God said He would give Abraham a son through his wife Sarai.  Isaac was the promised son... the son born within the will of God.  Ishmael was conceived outside the will of God.

Is it a common misconception among muslims to think that Christians and Jews believe Isaac was born first?

asalaam.


Peace unto you!

I know what you are doing, I've been doing this for years, so please don't try that with me.

Jesus (S) inform you the the Kingdom of God which is another message will be giving to another nation which the Ishmalite fulfilled that. I established overwhelming in my others post, no need to repeat them here.

At the coming of the Kingdom of God the Devil will also have a Church here and it is mentioned in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - Rev.2:9 �I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.
  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%203:9&version=9 - Rev3:9 �Behold, I will make them of the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

I have provided all the evidence in those post above.

The enemy is one and the same.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twvXHUNrXY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twvXHUNrXY


Br. zainool



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LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES!


Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 09 September 2014 at 11:05pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:

Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

Originally posted by kodoo kodoo wrote:

Please look up;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGDbOozrKQ - "What Do Muslims Think of Jews Event by Hajj Hassanain Rajabali"

I like how this guy teaches.  He seems very peace among people, oriented.
but he makes one mistake...
Christians do not deny that Ishmael was born first... Jews and Christians both know that this is true... but Ishmael was not the son promised to Abraham... for God said He would give Abraham a son through his wife Sarai.  Isaac was the promised son... the son born within the will of God.  Ishmael was conceived outside the will of God.

Is it a common misconception among muslims to think that Christians and Jews believe Isaac was born first?

asalaam.

Peace unto you!

I know what you are doing, I've been doing this for years, so please don't try that with me.

Question 
Greetings Br. zainool,
I was only responding to kodoo, after watching the video.  I found it odd that what seemed to be a knowledgeable lecturer would say that Christians believed Isaac to be firstborn.   I think I have heard the same thing from other muslims(not scholars), and so I wonder if this is a common misconception among muslims.


Jesus (S) inform you the the Kingdom of God which is another message will be giving to another nation which the Ishmalite fulfilled that. I established overwhelming in my others post, no need to repeat them here.

It is my belief that Yshwe was referring to all people who would choose to believe in Him and follow His Word.  The 'gentiles who would be grafted in' to become God's people.

From the old testament God had already designated that the people of Ishmael would be a separate people, great in number.  Undoubtedly the Creator already knew what role these people would serve in His plans.

asalaam.


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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
"I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 September 2014 at 11:20pm
Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:

Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

Originally posted by kodoo kodoo wrote:

Please look up;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGDbOozrKQ - "What Do Muslims Think of Jews Event by Hajj Hassanain Rajabali"

I like how this guy teaches.  He seems very peace among people, oriented.
but he makes one mistake...
Christians do not deny that Ishmael was born first... Jews and Christians both know that this is true... but Ishmael was not the son promised to Abraham... for God said He would give Abraham a son through his wife Sarai.  Isaac was the promised son... the son born within the will of God.  Ishmael was conceived outside the will of God.

Is it a common misconception among muslims to think that Christians and Jews believe Isaac was born first?

asalaam.

Peace unto you!

I know what you are doing, I've been doing this for years, so please don't try that with me.

Question 
Greetings Br. zainool,
I was only responding to kodoo, after watching the video.  I found it odd that what seemed to be a knowledgeable lecturer would say that Christians believed Isaac to be firstborn.   I think I have heard the same thing from other muslims(not scholars), and so I wonder if this is a common misconception among muslims.


Jesus (S) inform you the the Kingdom of God which is another message will be giving to another nation which the Ishmalite fulfilled that. I established overwhelming in my others post, no need to repeat them here.

It is my belief that Yshwe was referring to all people who would choose to believe in Him and follow His Word.  The 'gentiles who would be grafted in' to become God's people.

From the old testament God had already designated that the people of Ishmael would be a separate people, great in number.  Undoubtedly the Creator already knew what role these people would serve in His plans.

asalaam.


Peace to you!

Yes, the Creator not already know but inform you also in Isaiah 42 and 28.

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Isaiah 42 has to do with a prophecy of Almighty God�s servant whom He will send to the Gentile (entire whole) with his new law or I should say His new universal criterion of Judgment between right and wrong. This servant has to come from Ishmael�s descendant true Kedar (Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the village that Kedar doth inhabit� http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2042:11&version=9 - - Isaiah.42:11 ; And these are the names of the son Ishmael, by their names according to their generations: the first born of Ishmael, Nebajoth�and Kedar...� http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2025:13&version=9 - - Genesis 25:13 ).

 

 However, all Christian�s Scholars agreed that prophesies in Isaiah 42 is of Jesus (S) and ignoring the fact that Isaiah says: �My Servant or God Servant� and according to them Jesus (S) is God or son of God. What is more questionable is this �Servant� will bring judgment to the Gentiles and on the other hand Jesus (S) said the comforter will reprove the world (Gentiles) of judgment: �And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2016:8&version=9 - - John.16:8 ). If the Comforter will reprove the world (Gentile) of Judgment then the Comforter is a person according to Isaiah 42:1

 

�Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile.� (Iasiah.42:1)

 

This �Servant� was described as a �messenger� according to Isaiah 42 18 -19: Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. Who is blind, but my servant? Or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? Who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord�s servant? (Isaiah.42:18-19)

  

All prophets after Jacob (S) mentioned in the Bible came for the Israelites not Gentiles. This includes Jesus (S) (Matt.15:21-26, Matt. 10:5-6 and many more. And Jesus (S) did not stay on earth long enough to bring judgment to the Gentile. But Muhammad (S) he brought message which is the Criterion of Judgment between right and wrong to the Gentiles.

 

It mentioned in the Qur�an: �Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong, i.e. the Qur�an) to his slave [Muhammad (pbuh)] that he may be a Warner to the �Alamin (mankind and jinn).� (Q.25:1)

 

 How would the comforter reprove the world of Judgment? He would reprove the world of judgment when the everlasting Good News would have come. Revelation 14: 6-7 mentioned the coming of the universal Book of judgment:

 

�And I saw another angel fly in the mid of Heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nations, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying... fear God and give glory to him for judgment is come.� (Rev.14:6-7)

That is the future tense! The book of Revelation Ch. 14: 6-7 which is a part of the Collection of books (The Bible), which is already here; it�s mentioned of an �angel coming from heaven� with the everlasting gospel for all nations. The same Greek word �Euaggelizo� which translates as Gospel which is the Good News, it mentioned also in revelation 14. The NWT got correct translation:

6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: �FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.� (Rev.14: 6-7 NWT)

Note: This everlasting good news was coming from Heaving, an angel was bringing it from Heaven, and it was describe as a �Judgment� to �preach� to all nations. That Judgment was the criterion between rights and wrong, that Judgment there is the Law (His will) to preach unto them that dwell on earth (all nations). What Jesus (S) said? He said: Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be don on earth!�

The Qur�an makes that claimed in ch.26: 192-196.It mentioned:

�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.� (Q.25:1)

A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur�an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)

�Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic� (Q.13:37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Qur�an 2:185)

 

That is exactly what Isaiah prophecy, that the Judgment to the Gentiles is the law. It mentioned:

3-A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax he shall he not quench: he shall bring forth Judgment unto truth. 4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah.42:3-4)

 

For the LAW was given by Moses� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:17&version=9 - )

 

  Moses (S) was a Law Giver, and then come another law giver, the Comforter: �He shall reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2016:8&version=9 - ). Jesus (S) did not set Judgment on the earth he said the Comforter will in John 16:8; and Muhammad (S) he establishes a state and ruled with his law that given by God Almighty.  Therefore he set Judgment in the earth and he did not fail and he was not discouraged, he is the universal law giver to the Gentiles.

 

 Isaiah.42:9 clearly stated:

 

�Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you.�(Isaiah 42:9) 

 

The former things are the old law and have to replace with new law (the Islamic law),

 

 

Also in Isaiah 49: 10 it mentioned of the �scepter and law giver� will remove from Judah, it was remove at the time of Muhammad (S); unto him shall the gathering of the people be:

 

The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shi-loh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people.� http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2049:10&version=9 -   

 

 

In verse 2 it mentioned:

 

2-He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. (Isaiah 42:2)

 

 Here the word: �not cry� is used as �not complain about the duty that gave to him� because we see in verse 13 God says ��he shall cry.� There is a difference between these two using of the word �cry.� Now, in the book of http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2026:37-39&version=9 - Jesus (S) said: ��My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death�and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible. Let the cup pass from me: nevertheless not as my will.� We cannot say that Jesus (S) never complained. But if you read the history of Muhammad (S) / the history of Islam you cannot find one complaining word of Muhammad (S) about his mission (duty) that given by God Almighty.

 

 

This Servant would be call in righteousness, and given a covenant for his people and a light of the Gentile:

 

5-Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heaven, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth and that which comes out of it; he that givith breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein. 6-I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and well keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people. For a light of the Gentile. (Isaiah.42:5-6)

 

       Righteousness: And verily, you [O Muhammad (pbuh)] are on an exalted (standard of) character. (Q.68:4)

 

       Covenant: Behold! Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets, Saying: �I gave you a Book and Wisdom; then come to you a Messenger [Muhammad (pubh)], confirming what is with you; Do you believe in him and render help.� Allah said: �Do you agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?� They said: �We agree. �He said: Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witness. (Q.3:8)

 

       For a light of the Gentile: �Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light [Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)] and a plain Book (the Qur�an). (N.Q.5:15); We have not sent thee but as a (Universal Messenger) to all mankind. (Q.34:28)

 

 

Moving on to verse 7 it mentioned:

 

7-To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. (Isaiah 42:7)

 

�To open blind eyes� If we read verse 19 we will see more clearly that the world is used as �idiom.� Meaning, he will show people the things that they did not know and will show people how to comprehend God and His Message.

 

�Prison� is used as idiom too. If a spirit doesn�t know God and doesn�t obeying Him, then that spirit is in prison of Satan, and that person is prisoner of Satan. By accepting oneness of God and by obeying Him, the spirit of a person will be free and this makes that person free from prison of Satan. And in verse 8 God Almighty clearly states what He meant.

 

8-I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glories will I not gave to another, neither my praise to graven image. (Isaiah.42:8)

And the Qur�an mentioned:

�Call upon Allah, or call upon al Rahman. By what ever name ye call upon Him. {It is well}: for to Him belong the most beautiful names. (Q.17:110)

 

 With explanation of verse 7, we understand that the person that God is talking about will come to a place that people worship idols as their gods. From verse 7and 8, we understand that God Almighty is not talking about Jesus (S) but Muhammad (S), because Jesus (S) came to the Israelites and they were not worshiping idols, but Muhammad (S) came during the Jahillia (ignorance) period of Arabs and destroys the idols. If we read verse 17, it will be understood more clearly.

 

 

10-Sing unto the Lord a new song and his praise from the end of the earth� (Isaiah.42:10) 

 

  The Qur�an is the new song, if you want to hear this new song please listen to some one reciting the Qur�an, you will understand what God Almighty is talking about, it message has already reach to the end of the earth. <>

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11-Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the village that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock, let them shout from the top of the mountains. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2042:11&version=9 - )

 

  In the O.T. there is only one personality called Kedar, and Kedar is the descendant of Ishmael�s (S), (And these are the names of the son Ishmael, by their names according to their generations: the first born of Ishmael, Nebajoth�and Kedar...� http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2025:13&version=9 - - Genesis 25:13 ; And he (Ishmael) dwelt in the wilderness of Paran http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2021:21&version=9 - - Genesis 21:21 . It has nothing to do with Jesus (S) but Muhammad (S).

 

  As you can see, Muhammad (S) is descendant of Abraham�s (S) through Ishmael (S) and the cities that they inhabited are in Arabia namely: Paran (Makah), Telma (Tema/ Teman), Yathrib (Al-Madina Al- Munawwarah) etc. And If you observe the ritual of Muslim (especially during Hajj), you will see that cities (Makah and Al Medina) lift up their voices meaning: people shout and glorify Allah (S) from top of mountains, especially Mt. Arafat. You can also see this in every Muslim country when Muslims are called to prayer, the Muezzins read the Adhan (calling to prayer) that sound like a song and even far from the city you can hear this Adhan, it will look like that city lift up its voice.

 

12-Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands. (Isaiah 42:12)

 

 It says here: �Let them� who is them? It is the descendants of Kedar�s.

 

God Almighty promise for Ishmael (S): And as for Ishmael� Behold I have bless him twelve Princes shall he beget, and I will make him a Great Nation.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2017:20&version=9 - )

 

13-The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. (Isaiah.42:13)

 

 In the Old Testament when God said he does a certain thing, he often used an angel or a prophet sometimes, example:

 

And the Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with ten thousand saints: from his right hand went a fiery law. (Duet.33:2)

 

Does the Lord rose up from Seir? Did he come from Paran? No! His message came from those places through Prophets.  

 

14-I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a traveling woman; I will destroy and devour at once. (Isaiah.42:14)

 

 If we examine the history of Prophet (S) you will see that he was preaching the message peacefully and the unbeliever begin to prosecuting him and his� followers until he migrates to Medina where he received revelation to fight them, and many war he did fought and win. That verse also tied into Habakkuk 3 where the �Holy One from Mt. Paran� invaded them with his troops. For in keeping with the message in context I have included explanation on �PARAN� where Ishmael (S) dwelt.

 

 

THE HOLY ONE FROM MT. PARAN

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk%203:3-16&version=9 - - HABAKKUK 3:3-16 :

 

�And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise. (Habakkuk.3:3)

 

 The name �Muhammad� mean �the praise one� he is the Se-lah.

 

None of the Israelites, including Jesus, had anything to do with Paran. Hagar, with her son Ishmael, wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba, who afterwards dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: And he [Ishmael (S)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2021:21&version=9 - - ).

 

 The only one who claimed to have come from the descendant of Ishmael (S) is Muhammad (S), he is the Holy one from Mt. Paran and the Holy One from Mount Paran he came with the war cry to destroy and devour at once, he shall prevail against his enemies just as Isaiah 42 mentioned above. Also, he shall bring Salvation and his message is universal:

 

Habakkuk 3:11-13 mentioned:

 

��at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation for the ANOINTED; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Se-lah.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk%203:11-14&version=9 - )

He stood and measured the earth: he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting. (Habk.3:6)

 Measured the earth: Meaning: His message is for the whole earth (universal message) and His way are everlasting.

Qur�an conforms:

�We have not sent thee but as a (universal Messenger) to ALL mankind, giving glad tiding and warn them (against sin), but most of mankind knows not.� (Q.34:28)

And Habakkuk mentioned:

 

��When he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.� (Habk.3:16)

 

Histories of Islam have it that Muhammad (S) invades Mecca with ten thousand followers only kill six persons who were among the leaders:

 

Thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Se-lah. (Habk.3:13)

 

The advent of Muhammad (S) in the book of Revelation:

 

��when the lamb opened one of the seal�behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.� http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%206:1-2&version=9 - - Rev.6:1-2

 

It is also mentioned in http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=de+33%3A2&section=0&it=kjv&oq=de%252033%3A2&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=de&ng=33&ncc=33 - (KJV):

 

And he [Moses (S)] said: the Lord came from Sinai, and rose from Sir unto them; He shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with �ten thousand Saints�: from his right hand went a �fiery Law� for them.�

 

In these words the Lord has been compared with the �sun.� He comes from Sinai, he rises from Seir, but he shines in his full glory from Paran, where he had to appear with ten thousands of saints with a fiery law in his right hand.

 

 Also in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude%201:14-15%20&version=9 -

 

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude%201:14-15%20&version=9 -

 

That is exactly what Muhammad (S) did: He (S) came with ten thousand saints, He (S) execute judgment upon all, He convince all that were ungodly among His people of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed and of all their hard speeches which they ungodly sinners have spoken against him. You don�t have to believe me, go to the internet and look his� history for yourself; and Jude 1:15 mentioned there: �15To execute judgment upon all�

Allah (S) conform it in the Qur�an:

�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures. (Q.25:1)

Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Q.13:37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong).� (Qur�an 2:185)

  Muhammad (S) received revelation in the cave of Mount Hira in Arabia (Paran), later to be known as Jabal-un-Noor (Mountain of Light). After his migration to Medina, he returns and invades Mecca with �ten thousand Saints� and he establishes the �fiery Law� (Islamic law). Moses (S) is the only law giver in the O.T. and he prophesies another law giver which is Muhammad (S).                                                                          

 

For the LAW was given by Moses ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:17&version=9 - ).Then the new Song: new law (Isaiah 42:10)

 

And his (the Holy one from Mt. Paran) brightness was as the light, he had horns coming out of his hand. (Habk.3:4)

 

 Horns represent kings: Rev.17:12 and the ten horns�are ten kings.

 

Qur�an conforms:

 

�Oh Prophet! Truly, We have sent you as�a lamp spreading Light.� (Q.33:45-46)

 

 

ISAIAH 42 CONTINUES:

 

15- I will make waste mountain and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and dry up the pools. (Isaiah 42:15)

 

  Here God Almighty is talking about desert where Ishmael dwelt (Paran: in Arabia). In desert place, where mountains and hills of sand are not steady, they diminish with winds and another appears. And you cannot find rivers but small water island as described by God Almighty. And this verse it has nothing to do with Jesus (S).

 

16-And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in the path that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them (Kedarites: Ishmaelite), and not forsake them. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2042:16&version=9 - )

 

 God Almighty did not forget the Ishmaelite he brings them out of darkness into light, he lead them into a path they knew not with the advent of Muhammad (S).

 

  Because verse 22 said:

 

�But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for prey, and none saith, delivereth, for a spoil, and none, restore.� (Exp. of �prison� at verse7)

 

 �And none delivereth� and none saith, restore� God was talking about corrupted society of pagan Arabs. And, indeed, He had not sent any prophet to the Arabs until the advent of Muhammad (S). But up to Jesus (S), many prophets had been sent to Israelites, so this verse has nothing to do with Jesus (S).

 

17-They shall be turned back they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, ye are our gods. (Isaiah.42:17)

 

  This is exactly what pagans Arabs did, when they heard the message that given to Muhammad (S) by God Almighty. They offered money, authority and many things to our prophet and he did not accept any of them. They ashamed, because they thought that all others Arabs will mock them, and not visit the Kaba (at that time they were using the Kaba as place of the idols that all other Arab tribes were using) and this would be their economic end. And they turned to graven image and they asked help from those image. As you can see this has nothing to do with Jesus (S). So God Almighty said to all those who read this message:

 

18-Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. (Isaiah.42:18)

 

See what verse 19 and 20 tells us what? It reads:

 

19-Who is blind, but my servant? Or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? Who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord�s servant?

20-Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.

 

In other words this Messenger before his call to prophet hood he was blind to the truth and deaf to the understanding of the truth� to the extent that he didn�t know to read and write but was perfect role model to his people, he was described by his people as the �truthful one� although he saw all those malpractices in his society he did not take part of it� he was a righteous man and God Almighty was pleased with him to send his �new universal law�.

 

21-The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness sake; he will magnify the (new) law, and make it honorable. (Isaiah 42:21)

 

So the God of Isaiah asks:

 

23-Who among you will give ear to this? Who will hearken and hear for the time to come?

 

Who will become Muslim? The Noble call:

 

�O ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you�� (Q.4:47)

 Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. ( http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah17.html - - Q.17:81 )





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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 09 September 2014 at 11:23pm
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MUHAMMAD IN http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2028&version=9 - - ISAIAH 28

The Prophet of Islam was prophesied in yet another prophesies in Isaiah 28. Christian�s commentators claimed that Jesus (S) fulfilled this prophesy also which is not true. A closer look revealed that when the Mighty Strong one come God himself will teach him (V.26), he will speak to the Jews in another language (V.7-9), at that time the Jewish people would be in a state of evilness and corruptions (V.10-11) and In verse 26 he will establish the corner stone which Jesus (S) spoke of in Matthew 21:42-43 when he said: �� Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.� That nation is the Ishmaelite the seed of Abraham!

Muhammad (S) was that Mighty Strong One mentioned in verse 2, He (S) was the only Prophet who claimed to have followed the religion of Abraham (S) and speak to the Jews in another language. In verse 17 he will bring judgment (17Judgments also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet�) and the Qur�an conforms that: �Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.� (Q.25:1)

 

THE MIGHTY STRONG ONE

 Isaiah 28:2 mentioned:

Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty water overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.� (Isaiah.28:2)

 Water represents people:

The water which thou sawest �are peoples, and multitude, and tongues. (Rev.17:15)

 So God Almighty is saying, �He will send a Mighty Strong One as a destroying storm, with Mighty peoples, and multitude, and tongues.�

Is it true that Jesus (S) came as a Mighty Strong one, as a tempest of hail a destroying storm with Mighty warriors? No! But Muhammad (S) did. He Muhammad (S) did just as Habakkuk prophesy:

�when he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk%203:3-16&version=9 - - Habakkuk 3:16 .

  After the demise of Jesus (S) and at the advent of Muhammad (S) Isaiah prophesied the condition in which the Jews will be at that time:

But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast. Isaiah.28:10-11

That also tie into Isaiah 29 verse10 where the God of Abraham has poured a spirit of deep sleep and closed the eyes of the Prophets, the rulers and the seer of the Jew�s - Three categories of people:

For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets, and your rulers, the seers. hath he covered.�  (Isaiah 29:10 KJV).

At that Junction Prophet Hood ended for the Jews because of their evil practice and the God of Abraham (S) also tells us why he did that in http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:13-19&version=9 - :

�Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have remove their heart far from me, and their fear towards me is taught by the precept of men�. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2029:13-19&version=9 - - Isaiah.29:13 )

 God Almighty is talking to the Jews there, they follow the law of men instead of the law of God Almighty and they honor Him with their lips and not their heart. That would happen at the fulfillment of the prophecy of Muhammad (S) in Isaiah 29 which I have already explained in Ch. 4.

Continuing with Isaiah 28, it mentioned:

�For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lip another tongue will he speak to this people Isaiah.28:7-9.

Isaiah was telling them when he (the Mighty strong one) come to them he will speak to them in another language. Now, which prophet brought revelation to the Jews in �another tongue (language)?� None! Except Muhammad (S), he speak to the Jews in another language (Arabic) and he received revelation �precept by precept; line upon line; here a little and there a little.� Jesus (S) did not, in fact he speak to them in their own language be it Hebrew or Aramaic.

Link: http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/aramaic_language.html -  <http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/aramaic_language.html>

When revelation reaches them (the Jews) this is what the God of Abraham (S) said would happen to them. Isaiah was warning them true revelation what will happen when the mighty strong one comes.

13- But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; might go, and fall backwards, and be broken, and snared and taken.(Isaiah 28:13)

Why God did that? It is because they leader of the Jews took a covenant with death and agree to do evil god almighty describe them as scornfull men they hide under false hood and lies:

14- Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which are in Jerusalem. 15-Because ye have said, We have made a COVENANT WITH DEATH, and hell are we at agreement; When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we made LIES our refuge, and under FALSEHOOD have we hide ourselves. (Isaiah.28:14)

In verse 15 there, it mentioned: �it shall not come unto us�. That is a contradiction because verse 18 and 19 mentioned: ye shall be trodden down by it�

18- And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. 19- From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night, and it shall be vexation only to understand the report (Isaiah.28:19)

In other words, when Muhammad (S) comes upon them (the leaders of the Jews) then they will be trodden down by it from the time that it goeth forth, it will take them by surprise, all their lies and false hood will expose, their evil plot (covenant with death) will not succeed and it will be vexation for them (the scornful men) when they knew the truth about Muhammad (S), isn�t that a fact? O yes! 

16- Therefore thus said the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation, a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: He that believeth shall not make hast. (Isaiah.28:16)

 The �Corner stone represents the message�, you have to �believe it� as the verse mentioned: �He that believeth shall not make hast�. It was also mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 21:42-43 in a form of parable. The N.T. mentioned Jesus (S) was rejected by his people:

 

He came unto his own (Jews) and his own received him not (John.1:11).

 

And he told the Jews:

��Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021:42-44&version=9 - )

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44)

  If you reject Jesus (S) you reject his message, and the stone �represent his message� and it shall bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes under another nation. Sure, Jesus (S) is not �marvelous in our eyes,� his message does! That stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation is the �message�; and whosoever tries to destroy that Message shall not succeed, and where so ever the message goes it will prevail according to Matt. 21:44.

 Then Jesus said:

Therefore say I unto you the kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.� Matt.21:43

  That nation is no other than Ishmaelite, Abraham�s (S) seeds. The God of Abraham�s promise to bless Abraham�s son Ishmael and make him a Great nation:

And as for Ishmael�Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly�and I will make a GREAT NATION. ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2017:20&version=9 - ).

This prophesies was fulfilled with the arrival of Muhammad (S). According to Jesus (S), the precious corner stone that sure foundation (the message/Revelation) will remove from Zion, the Jews would not receive revelation from God Almighty anymore and God Almighty will give it to another nation and that is the Ishmaelite, seed of Abraham (S).

  It is mentioned in Genesis 49:10:

The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shi-loh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people.�

 It is no doubt that when Muhammad (S) came, the scepter and the lawgiver was removed from Judah, the old law was replaced with new law. He is the Shi-loh and unto him the gathering of the people be (in Mecca).

  The new law was described in Isaiah 42: 10 as a new song:

Sing unto the Lord a new song and his praise from the end of the earth�� Isaiah.42:10  

  Verse 17 put it altogether, it describe the purpose and mission of the Mighty Strong One:

17- Judgments also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of LIES. And the water (people and multitude) shall overflow the hiding place. (Isaiah.28:17)

 The �Judgment� there is the �word of the Lord (Revelation)�:

�But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little� (Verse13). The coming of that Revelation will bring righteousness to the peak and expose all their lies.

Allah (S) conform it in the Qur�an:

��And He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).� (Q.3:4)

Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic� (Q.13:37)

 17� hail shall sweep away the refuge of LIES:

�Truth has now arrived, and falsehood perishes: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81), But verily it (the Qur�an) is truth of assured certainty. (Q.69:51)

Did Jesus (S) bring Judgment? No! He said:

�When he (The Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and righteousness, and of judgment.� ( http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2016:8&version=9 - )

I others words, he will used the Criterion of judgment between right and wrong to reprove the world in sin and righteousness just as Isaiah mentioned in 28:17.

Same as in Iasiah.42:1:

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile. (Iasiah.42:1)

And revelation 14:6-7 mentioned of an angel bringing the universal Good news (Revelation) to all people and nations it was describe as �judgment to all mankind� and this would be after the demise of Jesus (S):

 

�And I saw another angel fly in the mid of Heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nations, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying... fear God and give glory to him for judgment is come.� (Rev.14:6-7)

The leaders of the Jews were already informed by God Almighty that when the Mighty strong One [Muhammad (S)] would come upon them his Message will be strange to them:

From the Lord shall rise up in Mount Perazim, he may do his work; his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. (Isaiah.28:21)

At Mt. Perazem to the valley of Gibeon the message will reach them and it will be strange to them.

This Hadith conform Isaiah 28:21:

Abd-Allah ibn Mas ud said: �The Prophet (pbuh) said, �Islam begin as something strange, and it will revert to being strange as it was in the beginning, so good tiding for the stranger.� Someone ask, �Who are the strangers?� He said: �The ones who break away from their people for the sake of Islam.�� This Hadith was narrated by Ibn Majah on authority of Anas and Abu Hurayrah. [Ibn Majah, kitab al-Fitan (Hadith 3988), 2/1320]

The warning: 

22- Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your band be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth. (Isaiah.28:22)

 Allah (S) mentioned in the Quran:

�When they see thee, they treat thee no otherwise than in mockery: �Is this the one whom Allah has sent as a messenger?��Soon will they know, when they see the penalty, who it is that is most misled in path!� (Q.25:41-42)

The verse says: �even determined upon the whole earth. Which mean the message is for the whole earth a universal message.

   God Almighty has summaries the whole prophesy of Isaiah 28 in a parable in the last couple of verses. In others words, the whole explanation above is in a nut shell in the parable below when the mighty strong one comes:

23Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech.

24Doth the plowman plow all day to sow? doth he open and break the clods of his ground?

25When he hath made plain the face thereof, doth he not �cast abroad� the fitches, and scatter the cummin, and cast in� the principal wheat and the appointed barley and the rie in their place?

 God Almighty is saying he will cast out the fitches. Who are the fitches? The leaders Jews! They are the fitches because of the evil practice. This is how they were described in verses14-15

 14- Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which are in Jerusalem. 15-Because ye have said, We have made a COVENANT WITH DEATH, and hell are we at agreement; When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we made LIES our refuge, and under FALSEHOOD have we hide ourselves. (Isaiah.28:14)

And who is the principal wheat and appointed barley? The mighty strong one! He will take their place.

 

18- And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; When the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. 19- From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night, and it shall be vexation only to understand the report (Isaiah.28:19)

26for his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him.

Qur�an conforms:

�Those who fallow the Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) In the Taurat 9Torah) and the Injil (Gospel)�. (Q.7:157)

27For the fitches are not threshed with a threshing instrument, neither is a cart wheel turned about upon the cummin; but the fitches are beaten out with a staff, and the cummin with a rod. 28Bread corn is bruised; because he will not ever be threshing it, nor break it with the wheel of his cart, nor bruise it with his horsemen. (Isaiah 28:27-28)

The �fitches� are the �leader of the Jews� and the staff and rode is the �Mighty strong one�. The leader of the Jews will be removed and replace by the Mighty strong one when revelation reaches them: 

13- But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; might go, and fall backwards, and be broken, and snared and taken.(Isaiah 28:13)

29-This also cometh forth from the LORD of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working.(Isaiah 28:29)

Even to the last verse the Quran Conforms:

 

�Ye have indeed in the Apostle of God a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in God and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of God.� (Q.33:21).

�Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled of (his own) desire. It is no les than inspiration sent down to him: He was taught by one Mighty in Power.� (Q.53:2-5)

  No other Prophet came to the Jews as a mighty strong one with a tempest of hail and a destroying storm  except Muhammad  (S); he speak to them precept by precept, line upon line, here a little there a little in another language; His message is for the whole earth and God himself thought him.

The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom. (Qur.2:171) 

On the Day of Judgment:

Then would those who are followed clear themselves of those who follow (them) : They would see the penalty, and all relations between them would be cut off.And those who followed would say: "If only We had one more chance, We would clear ourselves of them, as they have cleared themselves of us." Thus will Allah show them (The fruits of) their deeds as (nothing but) regrets. Nor will there be a way for them out of the Fire. (Qur.2:1662-166)

Allah (S) informs us:

There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, �That is from Allah,� But it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Q.3:78)

  • Ye People of the Book! Why do you mix truth with falsehood, and conceal the truth, while ye have knowledge. (Q.3:71)
  • People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.� (Q.5:15)
  • �So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhamed (S) and the message he brought]. (Q.3:50)
  • Verily this Qur�an doith guide to that which is most right. (Q.17:9)
  • Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the truth that hath come to thee� (Q.5:47-48)
  • Say: �O People of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that comes to us and that which came before (us)�?� (Q.5:59)

Allah (S) instructs us:

�Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His path, and who receive guidance.� (Q.16:125)

It is He (God Almighty) who has sent His Messenger [Muhamed (S)] with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) that He may make it prevail over all religions and enough is Allah for a witness. (Q.48:28)

Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Q.39:53-54) 

"Turn ye to our Lord (in repentance) and bow to His (Will), before the Penalty comes on you: after that ye shall not be helped. (39:054)

Br. Zainool


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Posted By: iec786
Date Posted: 13 September 2014 at 9:40am
Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:


Originally posted by kodoo kodoo wrote:

Please look up;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGDbOozrKQ - "What Do Muslims Think of Jews Event by Hajj Hassanain Rajabali"
I like how this guy teaches.� He seems very peace among people, oriented.but he makes one mistake...Christians do not deny that Ishmael was born first... Jews and Christians both know that this is true... but Ishmael was not the son promised to Abraham... for God said He would give Abraham a son through his wife Sarai.� Isaac was the promised son... the son born within the will of God.� Ishmael was conceived outside the will of God.Is it a common misconception among muslims to think that Christians and Jews believe Isaac was born first?asalaam.



HI Caringheart,hope you well.

Ishmael was the first born of Abraham's SEED.Period.

Hagar Abraham's wife! ". . . and (she, Sarah) gave her
(Hagar) to her husband TO BE HIS WIFE." GENESIS 16:3

Deuteronomy 21:15-17 ESV / 31 helpful votes

�If a man has two wives, the one loved and the other unloved, and both the loved and the unloved have borne him children, and if the firstborn son belongs to the unloved, then on the day when he assigns his possessions as an inheritance to his sons, he may not treat the son of the loved as the firstborn in preference to the son of the unloved, who is the firstborn, but he shall acknowledge the firstborn, the son of the unloved, by giving him a double portion of all that he has, for he is the firstfruits of his strength. The right of the firstborn is his.

The first Son of Abraham's Wife Hagar was Ishmael and he inherits all as the Bible states.

Have a good day
IEC


Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 13 September 2014 at 9:03pm
Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:

Originally posted by Sunshine Always Sunshine Always wrote:

"First, he/she does not even provide the Surah and Ayat number."

You can very easily look it up in less than 5 seconds. The Noble Quran site has a search.

All the quotes speak for themselves. There is so much animosity and hatred for both Jews and Christians in the Quran and hadiths, but Jews get the worst of it. And today what do we see? Muslims slaughtering Jews and Christians.

I certainly did read the Quran and the hadiths. I was shocked by the actions of Muhammed and sickened by the hatred.

I will also say that I learned about abrogation and that the Quran is not in chronological order. I was then able to dismiss earlier verses and understand the full extent of hatred.

Peace unto you!

You can only be talking about Rocthschild Zionist Jews and Zionist Christians who support them because the whole world is waking up and realize who is the Devil.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%202:9&version=9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.
  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%203:9&version=9 - Behold, I will make them of the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


Rotchschild Zionist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xe5cQDIbMs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xe5cQDIbMs
 

Manufacture History:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhEtCL_zkwk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhEtCL_zkwk

 
Jews against Zionism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCOSRg-gks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCOSRg-gks


Jews Protest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQ9C6vni0w - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQ9C6vni0w




�KNOWKEDGE IT POWER!

  When you know when the next solar eclipse is going to occur and others around you don�t, you can demand a lot from a primitive society when you threatens to turn of the sun. People with secret knowledge of astronomy are going to try to keep that knowledge to themselves, the moment they share that knowledge their power over any society is eliminated. Large groups of people can be hold in check by believe system given to them by a tiny elite which keep a core of knowledge to themselves, this is why the most powerful groups in any society operates in secret. In fact, the word �occult� does not mean evil; it means �secret�. You are not suppose to know the secrets of the elite, once you discover and verifies this secrets you will shock to know the elite controls you.� (Lulrich)

The whole history how they came to power:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6v8nzFiUk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6v8nzFiUk

Br. Zainool





The Supreme Court building in Jerusalem, notes Chomsky, was built in 1992, with funding that had been offered by the Yad Hanadiv foundation. Many members of the Rothschild family, which owns Yad Hanadiv, were proud members of the Freemasons, she says.

A person taking part in the tour of the Supreme Court ascends inside a pyramid which peaks on the roof of the court building. There is a hole in the tip of the pyramid, which represents � according to this explanation, the Eye of Providence. <>

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171292%23.VBTnjC5dU_4 - http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171292#.VBTnjC5dU_4


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Father of lies:

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8McepdJGtEk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8McepdJGtEk


Br. Zainool





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Posted By: xfrodobagginsx
Date Posted: 01 October 2014 at 8:03pm
Muslims say they don't hate Jews, but their actions say that they do.


Posted By: islamispeace
Date Posted: 10 October 2014 at 11:41am
Originally posted by xfrodobagginsx xfrodobagginsx wrote:

Muslims say they don't hate Jews, but their actions say that they do.


I think Frodo Baggins has been wearing Sauron's ring too long.  It's affecting his judgment!  LOL

"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of st**idity where the Shadows lie."


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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)




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