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Posted By: Muslim75
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Date Posted: 25 September 2014 at 1:47pm
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 25 September 2014 at 1:55pm
The magnificent Ottoman(islamic) empire?http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31627 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31627 "Your love killed the Turk and the Arab" (Jalal Al Din Rumi) ? Is this post meant to be in support of the Ottoman empire? ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 27 September 2014 at 3:49am
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Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 27 September 2014 at 4:01am
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 27 September 2014 at 1:01pm
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I wonder if anyone knows what the significance of the minarets is? Why these are incorporated into the architectural structure. I've always wondered about church steeples too. I think it is to make spotting places of worship easy for travelers. As far as I know Jewish synagogues or temples, do not have such structures. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 30 September 2014 at 1:37pm
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Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 02 October 2014 at 3:02am
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The Ottoman empire was an aggressive form of Islamic imperialism, like the Colonial imperialism of the West that followed. Today we know better. Today we try to stick to following the human rights charter, instead of glorifying past empires. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 02 October 2014 at 1:24pm
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Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 02 October 2014 at 1:25pm
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 02 October 2014 at 1:50pm
Greetings muslim75, According to your definition, what would those conditions be? In what way were the Ottoman(islamic) wars of conquest justifiable? asalaam, CH note: I don't see where Matt Browne was 'insulting islam'... just stating his view of the Ottoman empire... a political power... just as all politcal powers can be critiqued... British empire and colonialism, Nazi regime, Communist(Stalin) regime, Spanish inquisitions, apartheid in S. Africa, etc., etc., etc. Peace and blessings to you. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Muslim75 wrote:Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 02 October 2014 at 8:53pm
The "Magnificent" Ottoman Empire? Is this supposed to be some kind of a joke? How "magnificent" was the sacking of Constantinople? The murder of over a million Armenians? The ethnic cleansing and mass murder of Greeks? The conquests and occupation of the Balkans? Armenia? Greece? Do you know who the "janissaries" were? Children taken from their parents, put into the army and forced to fight and kill. Charles Taylor would have been impressed. Like their "Christian" counterparts who ruled European states, the "Muslim" Ottoman rulers were a bunch of imperialist aggressors, who conquered and occupied those around them. You call them "magnificent"? Shame on you. You are no different than the *****s who defend the Crusades. |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 04 October 2014 at 2:39am
Yes, of course. Alexander the Great, the Romans and many others, although the term for their empires was different. In my post I was mainly referring to the British and French colonial empires that came when the Ottoman empire continued to decline.
Well, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and others might hold on to this silly dream of a neo-Ottoman empire. They were entitled to do so? Entitled by whom? No one is entitled to subjugate other peoples or nations. Anyone who claims otherwise is a dangerous radical who has learned nothing from the mistakes of the past.
------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 07 October 2014 at 2:10pm
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Posted By: TG12345
Date Posted: 07 October 2014 at 3:17pm
They were as "glorious" as the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the State of Israel. |
Posted By: kodoo
Date Posted: 15 October 2014 at 1:56am
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I am from Turkey and I know the history of Ottomans more than any.
Though Ottoman Empire was a barrier to the western invasion (crusades) and I like it, and the nation was Islamic. Other than that, the leaders were hypocrite. They never worked to serve the nations. They always were after worldly gains. From its beginning. Look up how it was founded. There were many Dynasties after the Seljuks split up. And Ottoman Dynasty fought each and every one of these Muslim Dynasties to have their lands. Later, fighting Iranian Muslims. Later fighting Mamluk Muslims (Egypt) over and over. Look up Ottoman-Egypt wars. The emperors were always after power. They made Muslims fight against each other. They were this sickeningly attached to their thrones and worldly gains that, even they made it permissible to kill every innocent relative of theirs even in the cradle (so that there won't be a fight for throne). Look up how "Mehmed the Conqueror" killed his own baby brother. Look up how "Suleiman the Magnificent" killed 17 of his family members (children, nephews, grandkids in the cradle). etc. They had nothing to do with Islam. They were just a bunch of rulers after worldly gains. But Ottoman nation was great in general, though they were used against other Muslims (Persia, Egypt) sometimes. And sadly, the history is repeating itself. And now Turkish regime is after joining the EU, to serve NATO causes more and the government is using the nation to fight against Muslims in the region. So sad, how the progeny of that great nation -whcih stood up against western colonialism- is now used for NATO colonialism against Muslims of the region. |
Posted By: kodoo
Date Posted: 15 October 2014 at 1:57am
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P.s. Here's a great page to study Muslim history and today: http://www.crescent-online.net - http://www.crescent-online.net
ma salam |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 15 October 2014 at 5:43am
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 15 October 2014 at 10:59am
Greetings kodoo, Yes, this is the thing I always find most disturbing, how families had so little love for one another that they would kill each other for power... fathers, sons, brothers, all willing to kill one another. It is sick. This is why republic works best... where leaders are elected in open campaigns... and not pre-selected. asalaam, CH ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 15 October 2014 at 3:00pm
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Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 21 October 2014 at 1:22pm
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Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 26 October 2014 at 4:24am
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The modern concept of liberty and freedom has its origins in the Greek concepts. "Roman law also embraced certain limited forms of liberty, even under the rule of the Roman Emperors. However, these liberties were accorded only to Roman citizens. Many of the liberties enjoyed under Roman law endured through the Middle Ages, but were enjoyed solely by the nobility, never by the common man. The idea of unalienable and universal liberties had to wait until the Age of Enlightenment." ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 08 November 2014 at 7:15am
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 08 November 2014 at 11:50am
Greetings Muslim75, Do you understand why the crusades started to begin with? (they were a reaction, not an aggression... they were a reaction to an aggressor and oppressor) ... and supposedly islam teaches against oppression? Look up 'the first crusade'. asalaam, Caringheart You are quite correct in your statement; 'They establish their domination'... they were oppressors. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 09 November 2014 at 2:24am
So it was OK for him to commit murder then? Killing his relatives in the cradle is OK? If that's how Islam works you can see why it gets a bad rep. |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 04 December 2014 at 12:04pm
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 04 December 2014 at 12:26pm
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except that, like all dynasty's it fell because of over reach... it too fell when it insisted on over reaching the bounds of acceptance... when its corruption became too great to tolerate.
------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 21 December 2014 at 8:36pm
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I see we're back to the days of censoring information... that is sad. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Haitham
Date Posted: 22 December 2014 at 6:18am
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Hello Caringheart, Minaret was used for the Call of prayer when there were no Microphnoes. But it was not there in the days of the Prophet Muhammed, it started to appear as Islamic population & land increased. Salam, |
Posted By: Haitham
Date Posted: 22 December 2014 at 6:22am
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Hello Mr. Brian, Would you please state in points how was the Othoman Empire so aggressive. You can reach me on my E-mail ([email protected]) Thank you for your time. Salam, |