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Forum Name: Interfaith Dialogue
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Posted By: Muslim75
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Date Posted: 29 September 2014 at 6:06am
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Date Posted: 29 September 2014 at 6:11am
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Date Posted: 30 September 2014 at 1:41pm
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Date Posted: 30 September 2014 at 1:46pm
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Date Posted: 04 October 2014 at 3:38am
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Date Posted: 06 October 2014 at 1:19pm
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Date Posted: 07 October 2014 at 2:19pm
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Date Posted: 13 October 2014 at 6:58am
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Date Posted: 15 October 2014 at 6:11am
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Date Posted: 15 October 2014 at 6:12am
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Date Posted: 15 October 2014 at 6:16am
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Date Posted: 17 October 2014 at 12:47am
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Date Posted: 18 October 2014 at 3:11am
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Date Posted: 18 October 2014 at 1:54pm
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Date Posted: 19 October 2014 at 3:59am
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Date Posted: 19 October 2014 at 1:00pm
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Date Posted: 20 October 2014 at 2:20pm
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Date Posted: 21 October 2014 at 1:27pm
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Date Posted: 23 October 2014 at 1:29pm
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Date Posted: 24 October 2014 at 1:55pm
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Date Posted: 25 October 2014 at 2:55am
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Date Posted: 26 October 2014 at 3:01am
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Date Posted: 27 October 2014 at 6:07am
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Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 29 October 2014 at 5:53am
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Date Posted: 01 November 2014 at 3:04am
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Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 08 November 2014 at 7:28am
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 08 November 2014 at 12:33pm
I came across this the other day, with regard to the feelings and treatment towards Muhammad. I thought it was important.
I think it is important for muslims to be careful to discern whether their actual worship is for Muhammad... for the man they think he was... worship for the man more than for the Creator. asalaam and wishing blessings, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Muslim75 wrote:Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 10 November 2014 at 4:48am
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Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 12 November 2014 at 5:04am
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 12 November 2014 at 11:23am
Greetings Muslim75, No disrespect intended, but this sounds like a tall tale to me... something merely spoken by one who wished to extol the greatness of Muhammad in his eyes. asalaam, CAringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 12 November 2014 at 5:53pm
And with no disrespect intended from me either, I would say the same about the central premise of Christianity.  I will agree with you about one thing though:
I've said before that by placing collections of hadith on the same bookshelf beside the Quran (literally or figuratively), and by treating both sources as religious dogma, most Muslims commit shirk, whether they call it that or not. Muhammad never intended his own commands to be preserved for all time or to apply to all generations of Muslims in the same way that Allah's words do. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 12 November 2014 at 8:49pm
hehehe - but by the 'central premise of Christianity', I assume you refer to the resurrection? You do not believe that there were witnesses to the resurrection of Yshwe? Were there a multitude of witnesses that reported this 'moon splitting', or is it the expression made about Muhammad by one person? ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 14 November 2014 at 12:36pm
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Date Posted: 14 November 2014 at 12:40pm
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Date Posted: 16 November 2014 at 2:15am
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Date Posted: 18 November 2014 at 4:57am
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Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 28 November 2014 at 11:38am
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 28 November 2014 at 11:49am
Greetings Muslim75, and how is this not 'associating partners with allah'? The worship for Muhammad seems as great, or greater, than the worship of the Creator. It seems that adoration for the Creator is negated without Muhammad. Shouldn't it be that no one can live without the Creator? Isn't this elevating Muhammad above Creator? Shouldn't 'hearts run to the Creator'? ... not to Muhammad. and shouldn't one be able to say that there is 'only one God', with or without the addition of Muhammad? asalaam, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 28 November 2014 at 10:54pm
| Caring heart I explain to you first of all there is no barrier between Allah and his creation.Maulana Tariq jameel explained very nicely-La illaha illallah Muhammadurrasoollullah.he said that passport is to believe in oneAllah and visa is life of prophet MMuhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ),like I m conveying message of Allah to you and other I could have tell you in harsh words but prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) spread it peacefully and with respect.prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) is an example given to mankind by Allah to how to lead a peaceful life,eg prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) ones was walking and a woman used to throw garbage on him daily one day she didn't turned up so learning that she was ill prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) visited her to know reason for illness seeing this the woman got reverted to islam, from this episode we learn how to turn harsh people towards ourselves, how to swallow anger,yes it is necessary for every muslim to love prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) but ur view is wrong think y prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) was targeted always why he was ridiculed, why he left mecca his birthtown because he strived for one message-to believe in one Allah.Allah regards prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) as Muqamam Mahmud in ch 17 v 79. |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 30 November 2014 at 2:30am
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Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 30 November 2014 at 2:30am
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 30 November 2014 at 12:28pm
Greetings Muslim75, It sure seems that it is that, when; "... No one can live without Muhammad" and, " One does not say there is only one God except that he adds Muhammad " I see a man, and a leader, elevated above the Creator... given attributes as great, or assigned even greater importance to man, than the Creator Himself. asalaam, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 01 December 2014 at 12:01pm
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Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 01 December 2014 at 10:19pm
| Caringheart The meaning of statement of "LA ILLAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMADURRASOOLULLAH"-there is no god besides Allah and prophet Muhammad is his last messenger.in this statement where is the odour of ascribing partner with Allah is present here???? |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 02 December 2014 at 12:21pm
Greetings NABA, Is it ok to proclaim belief in the one God, without proclaiming belief in Muhammad? Would it be accepted? (I think it would not... this means that to a muslim, God can not stand alone, without Muhammad... they place too much importance on Muhammad. I see this as a gravely dangerous deception for muslims... Muhammad seeking to usurp the position of Yshwe, Son of God, One with God) asalaam, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 02 December 2014 at 10:12pm
| For your information we believe in all prophets (pbut all), Allah in ch 4 v 150-151 of Quran says that no believer is a believer if he doesn't believe in all prophets.lets take in this way u believe in bible.even In bible in book of deutronomy ch 18 v 18,v19, in gospel of john ch 15 v 26,in gospel of john ch 16 v 12- 14, coming of prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) is mentioned.when we say we believe in all prophets (pbut all), we directly testifying that we believe in one and only Allah because all prophets (pbut all) gave one message-to worship only and only Allah.there are different meanings of belief when I say I believe in Allah my intention to say is I worship only Allah, I ask from Allah only, I believe in his all books, I believein last day,I observe his signs in form of ssurroundins around me, I believe whatever I am I m because of him only, no matter how strong I m but I m nothing in front of him.when I say I believe in prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) I try to implement his sayings like, he said Allah loves those who never associate partners with Allah, who pray on time, who are good to parents, who have good manners, who read Quran daily, who are good to wives etc.u main to say if someone believes in u means he is worshipping you???? What nonsense????? |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 02 December 2014 at 11:22pm
Greetings NABA, I am not meaning to be upsetting, so I am sorry if our discussion is upsetting you. Upon reading your statement what comes to mind is the main difference between my God and your allah, is that my God loves everybody, even the sinners. Yshwe came especially to call sinners to repentance. He spent His time with sinners... they were His main concern, because the Father in heaven loves all, and wants all to be saved. My God doesn't just love the obedient, He loves everyone. He does not want anyone to fail in the judgement time and be lost. Do you know the parable of the prodigal son? One son was a good son, doing all that was required of him, while the other son was not a good son and went and did as he pleased... but he came to repent of his erroneous ways and went home, and he was as valued and welcomed as the good son who had always done right... in other words both were loved equally, and there was rejoicing over the one, as much as over the other... though he had not done what was right to begin with, he found his way home. If the shepherd has 100 sheep and one becomes lost, will he not go in search of the one? This is how our heavenly Father loves us... He never gives up the search for us in calling us home, because he loves us all even in our failings. I don't know if you have children, but if a child fails in what he is expected to do, do you stop loving him? Most parents do not stop loving that child, even though they may lose that child. They have an ache of longing in their heart for the child because of the love they will always carry for that child, no matter how far off course he may go. Now imagine a heavenly Father, Creator of all. Would He not Love the thing He created from nothing... work of His hands... even a thousand times more, and not want to lose a single one? I don't know, maybe it's the artist in me that allows me to understand, but when I have created something, put my careful efforts into it, I am devastated to see that thing broken, lost, or destroyed. This I can understand is how our Creator feels about each one of us. We are 'the clay shaped by the Potters hand', and in His Love, He continues to rework us until all the air bubbles... all the flaws, are removed... or until all the dross has been purged. asalaam and blessings, Caringheart The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying, 2 Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. 3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. 4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. 5 Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 03 December 2014 at 10:22pm
| Allah in Quran in ch 39 v 53 says-"Oh my servants who had transgressed themselves (by sinning) do not despair from mercy of Allah.Allah forgives all sins.he is most forgiving and merciful".its because of love of Allah only everybody including u and me are living our life normally. |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 04 December 2014 at 12:17pm
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Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 04 December 2014 at 12:27pm
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 04 December 2014 at 1:43pm
Greetings Muslim75, So on a discussion forum, you want no discussion? I'm curious, do you think people will be bothered to read if they can not discuss? I, as I imagine do others, come here for discussion, and without the possibility of discussion I doubt there will be much reading beyond the first post. Be glad for the discussion... it keeps people reading.  asalaam and blessings, CAringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 05 December 2014 at 11:58am
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Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 05 December 2014 at 12:01pm
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 05 December 2014 at 2:31pm
Pardon Muslim75, You will have to explain yourself. I have nothing to 'feel shame' for. How do you think that I have spoken intimately? and what gives you the right to speak to me so disrespectfully? I have not spoken disrespectfully towards you at all... on the contrary, I was being most amiable and cheerful... and meaning to be helpful. You may not be someone 'intimate' to me... but you certainly seem to think that you are someone to 'intimidate' me. What gives you the right to 'tell me' to do anything? Nothing. I did respect that you made a request, but I did also feel free to respond with my feelings about that request and the results that it would produce. There is nothing wrong in that. asalaam, Caringheart note: Had you made no further comment, it is highly likely I would also have made no further comment on this thread... AND the thread would die in absentia... ie., no one would be bothered to be reading. the peace of the true Lord, and blessings to you... I actually have, or had, some respect for what you were trying to share. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Muslim75
Date Posted: 06 December 2014 at 12:13pm
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Date Posted: 12 December 2014 at 12:00pm
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Date Posted: 13 December 2014 at 6:39am
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Posted By: kingskid
Date Posted: 15 December 2014 at 9:11am
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Muslim75, once again you are attempting to hijack intelligent and thoughtful discussion among commenters by your self-imposed position as arbiter of what is to be discussed and in what manner such discussion should take place. If you cannot handle opposing views to Islam, you should confine yourself to intrafaith discussion where you can educate less-informed Muslims in the tenets of your faith. Otherwise, expect to be challenged by Christians, atheists, humanists, et al. As the saying goes, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!" ------------- kingskid |