War on Islam Not ISIS
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Topic: War on Islam Not ISIS
Posted By: i.dawa
Subject: War on Islam Not ISIS
Date Posted: 01 October 2014 at 6:45am
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The new American Satanic Alliance
The issue is not ISIS - The new American alliance is continuation of War On Islam. AlQaeda was used to launch a general war on Islam while isis is being used to specifically attack the concept of Khilafah, Jihad etc. The Satanic Coalition of America to fight Islam using ISIS The coalition to fight ISIS and this new declaration of War on Islam was once again formed by America. This coalition wasn't formed by Muslims to deal with a problem which concerns the Ummah. The fact of the matter is America spearheads all these campaigns against the Ummah and her agent rulers just wait for the order. Those who argue that this coalition had to be formed (with the Kuffar) in order to deal with a threat - we say the coalition was formed by the Kuffar and the Muslim countries did not even attempt to deal with the problem by consulting one another. The fact is the rulers of the Muslim countries cannot come together under one leadership indicates their stance towards each other and they can only unite under the banner of non-Islam holding the American flag when it comes to fighting Islam. #Waronislamnotisis |
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Posted By: marcello
Date Posted: 01 October 2014 at 7:21am
It seems that you are saying that Muslims are pathetic cowards. Is that accurate? |
i.dawa wrote:Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 01 October 2014 at 8:21am
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I.dawa, Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi (the leader of IS) has declared himself the supreme ruler of the entire world, has ordered all muslims everywhere to pledge allegiance to him, has ordered his followers to slaughter all muslims who refuse to acknowledge him as the Caliph, and has ordered his followers to slaughter all non-mulims who have failed to pay him monetary tribute.
I assume you agree with all of Al-Baghdadi's pronouncements? |
Posted By: i.dawa
Date Posted: 01 October 2014 at 9:52am
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I'm not here to defend Baghdadi - my point is something that which should concern Muslims and the non-Muslims will not be able to comprehend as this discussion is based on what we consider to be revelation from our creator. In other words we are highlighting the alliance which america has formed with rulers of the Muslim countries to fight Islam using groups such as ISIS and AlQaeda.
ISIS is an internal issue and the Muslims should not allow outsiders to come in to our lands. |
Posted By: i.dawa
Date Posted: 01 October 2014 at 9:55am
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Reality is the rulers in the Muslim world are all puppets of the West and they do not represent the Muslims in their capacity as Muslims. They rule by other than Islam and they remain silent over many issues where atrocities are taking place but when it comes to pleasing america they're ready to attack their own people.
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 01 October 2014 at 10:00am
Greetings i.dawa, Wow. So you think ISIS should be allowed to flourish? and prevail? What defenses are there to rely on to defeat such evil, if not turning to the outside world for help? Nations have always had to ally together to defeat evil when it arises.... should it matter 'muslim' or 'non-muslim', when one is fighting evil? asalaam, CH ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: i.dawa
Date Posted: 01 October 2014 at 10:13am
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Dear CH
Like I stated this discussion is based on commands and prohibitions of our creator and it would be futile to discuss on any other basis as far we're concerned. Those who claim to be Muslims have to judge each situation according to Islam. The discussion with non-Muslims has to be about establishing the truth (i.e which is the correct path to follow) and not about specific Sharia rules. I hope people can accept this so that we're not wasting each others time. |
Posted By: Reepicheep
Date Posted: 01 October 2014 at 10:19am
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I.dawa, in your opinion, which of the following situations is a greater sin:
(1) the members of IS beat, torture, rape, and murder 1 billion muslim women and children (2) an American Christian kills a muslim male who is about to rape, torture, and murder a muslim child, thereby saving the child's life? |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 01 October 2014 at 10:22am
Greetings i.dawa, Like I said, "Wow". It seems to me you are on a very wrong path. You would choose to allow evil to flourish because you can not see past the blinders on your own eyes. asalaam, CH ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: i.dawa
Date Posted: 01 October 2014 at 10:59am
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It should be clear from my posts that I'm not here to speak on behalf of ISIS.
Anyway, those who may think America and other Western countries are spreading peace in this world then they're not independent thinkers and rely on the garbage that's constantly being fed to them by their governments and the Media. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 01 October 2014 at 6:01pm
Why the false dichotomy? Can't they both be an issue? I can understand why you might resent the American intrusion in Muslim countries, but isn't ISIS a separate problem?
Exactly -- they didn't even attempt to deal with the problem. So shall we wait until ISIS takes over the Pakistani nuclear arsenal before we do something? ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: i.dawa
Date Posted: 02 October 2014 at 3:49am
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Perhaps it wasn't clear from my comments that ISIS is a problem as far we can tell based on the information which are coming through, however, we're questioning the alliance with America (by the rulers in the Muslim world) on the basis of our beliefs by those who claim to be Muslims yet they don't follow other than what's dictated to them by their Masters in the West.
We also see the hypocrisy of the regimes in the Muslim world when it comes to protecting the lives of Muslim in other parts of the World (Palestine, Burma, CAR) etc they do nothing, but when America decides to go to war they get jump on board. The problems in the Muslim world should be dealt by Muslims but the reality is America is controlling the regimes and the Muslims aren't allowed to deal with their problems according to their beliefs. Muslims are labelled as terrorist and extremist the moment they talk about political Islam. America and the West does not want the Muslims to ever live by their religion because of the threat they perceive from Islam and they will do anything to secularise the Muslims so they embrace capitalism instead of Islam which is a spiritual and political creed. |
Posted By: i.dawa
Date Posted: 02 October 2014 at 3:51am
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America and the West use groups like AlQaeda and ISIS to distort the image of Islam in order to make the people reject it (muslims and non-mulsim).
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Posted By: marcello
Date Posted: 02 October 2014 at 6:32am
So where are the non-distorted, presumably positive images of Islam? Surely not in the Quran, which is full of intolerance and exhortations of violence toward disbelievers. Surely not in the day-to-day life in majority Muslim countries, which include many of the poorest populations and most repressive regimes. And surely not in the accomplishments of the believers, who are among the most uneducated on Earth. |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 02 October 2014 at 11:00am
These are false, ignorant, bigoted and wide sweeping statements. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 02 October 2014 at 4:56pm
 You have a gift for understatement! "As far as we can tell"?? How many innocent people's heads do they need to saw off, how many schoolchildren do they need to kidnap and sell in to sex slavery, before it's clear to you that they are a "problem"?
I think we all agree that problems in the Muslim world should be dealt with by Muslims; but the reality is that they are not. Muslim countries are breeding grounds for terrorism, and by and large Muslims themselves do nothing about it. They may condemn terrorism with words; but actions speak louder than words -- and frankly, by their actions it certainly seems like they tacitly support the terrorists. How long did Bin Laden "hide in plain sight" in Pakistan before the Americans had to go in to get him on their own?
Do you see Islam as incompatible with capitalism? Why? ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: marcello
Date Posted: 03 October 2014 at 7:49am
You clearly have been misled by the distortions promulgated by Western propaganda. Check out ISIS's recruitment videos for the truth. |
Posted By: schmikbob
Date Posted: 03 October 2014 at 2:34pm
| Ah yes, recruitment videos, the very definition of the truth |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 04 October 2014 at 3:44am
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If there were a war on Islam by Western countries, there wouldn't be a single mosque in Western countries, or a single Muslim politician elected into office in Western countries, or a single Quran on the bookshelves of Western bookstores. Don't create war that doesn't exist. Thankfully. There are wars against inhumanity, like the monsters that created ISIL. The war against ISIL is also a war to save the lives of Muslims threatened by ISIL. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 04 October 2014 at 11:08am
 ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 04 October 2014 at 11:11am
------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 06 October 2014 at 3:31am
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The Kurds urgently need helicopter support to save Kobani. The current airstrikes are not effective enough. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 07 October 2014 at 8:42am
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People are dying on the streets of USA yet they are concerned with who is in power and who is not half way across the world.
This type of interfering and policing for their "interests" has contributed to the instabililty and chaos in many parts of the world. The Muslims are seeing this new wave of direct attacks and bombardment, (allied with many tyrants and with who they pretend to be at odds with), as an attack on Islam and Muslims; all in order to preserve their hegemony via despotic rulers. USA puts lethal poison into people or fries their brains when executing people, tortures it's supposed enemies or gets its cronies to torture them and then people just blindly follow the tune of the USA as if they really care one bit about lives of people. Its not about ISIS or people labelled terrorists, its a war on Islam using a convenient bogeyman. |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 07 October 2014 at 8:46am
| Islam is more than masjids, which is why the Capitalist and secularists are at war with it, and as people leave the ideas of the colonial era where Islam was suppressed and secularised, the war is intensifying. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 07 October 2014 at 10:11am
Wow, really? IS has made it very clear that they are an enemy at war with the U.S., and you think the U.S. will do nothing about that? ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Mohammad Golem
Date Posted: 07 October 2014 at 1:55pm
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My friends, There is no American war on Islam. America has millions of muslims. Please stop generating such irrational fear. It makes you look like you are only saying that as a means to draw more support for ISIS. Is ISIS what you want as the modern face of Islam? Think about that. Seriously.
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Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 08 October 2014 at 7:14am
I expect USA to do what it has been doing for a long time now, interfering, threatening, assassinating, funding, bombing, propping up, going to war etc all for interests according to its ideology of capitalism, and so there will be reactions to this and they are going to make enemies. Actually USA constantly inflates enemies for political ends, but mainly I believe to keep its population in check and order, and grow or maintain hegemony over parts of the world. And the current attack on Syria and Iraq is just one part of the overall attack on Islam. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 08 October 2014 at 11:48am
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Always someone else is to blame for the failure of the islamic world ? *sigh Had the islamic world chosen to move ahead with the rest of the world by educating and building, and concentrating on taking care of its people....... where is the invention, the science, the medicine..... why was oil money not put to good use? What has been done with all the wealth of the arab world? ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: marcello
Date Posted: 08 October 2014 at 1:12pm
One might suppose with more than a billion Muslims praying to Allah daily, that Allah might have done something to improve the plight of the Islamic world. So either: (a) prayer is useless, (b) Allah doesn't give a crap about Muslims, (c) both a and b are true, or (d) Allah doesn't exist, and therefore a is also true. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 09 October 2014 at 8:19am
Actually, I think you've just worked out the formula for atheists. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 09 October 2014 at 9:14am
Lets change the subject shall we! The current attack by a rotten coalition of tyrant despots headed by USA, is part of a continued war on Islam to halt the rise of any spiritual socio-political systems based on it which could threaten the current dominating secular grip on the world. ISIS is a internal issue for the Muslims, they did not pop out of thin air, ie the areas under them or that currently support them are the same areas where normal families lived and want to continue living. ISIS shortfalls are minute when compared to the those who USA is supporting and allying with even the USA itself. |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 09 October 2014 at 9:40am
There are many more real options than those that you narrowly stated and wish to believe. So I suggest that before you bother about why the Creator of the universe has allowed things to happen, to determine whether there is a Creator or not, and not use your own whimsical ideas about what the Creator ought to do and ought not to, in order to dismiss it, as that is st**idity. |
Posted By: marcello
Date Posted: 09 October 2014 at 2:04pm
What other real options do you believe could be valid? |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 09 October 2014 at 11:24pm
and so do all western, free, nations. Islam on the other hand seems to fill peoples heads with making war. I've asked the same thing.... does anyone really want these ISIS (barbaric) leaders to be people holding power over them? Can anyone seriously think this would be a good thing? These guys are nothing more than crime thugs... a gang. The people joining these guys are enticed by videos of barbarity. " far from being horrified by barbarism � thousands upon thousands of Muslim men are flocking to the Islamic State�s black banner, including more Muslim Britons than volunteer for Her Majesty�s own armed forces?This doesn't scare people? ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: marcello
Date Posted: 10 October 2014 at 12:26pm
To be fair, the Islamic world mostly seemed to leave the West alone after they were driven out of Spain until the West started interfering in those countries. Of course, one could argue that France's occupation of the Barbary Coast in the 1830's was in reaction to the Barbary Coast slave trade, which captured and enslaved 1-1.25 million European Christians in North Africa from the 16th to the 18th centuries. But it's pretty clear that the worst behavior came from the West, most egregiously with the machinations that followed the end of World War I. Without that, and without the West's establishment of Israel, it is unlikely that we would have today's animosity of the Muslim world toward the West. While the basis of that animosity is not religious, religion is cynically used to whip up the passions of the masses. |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 11 October 2014 at 8:07am
That a plight of people is a test with the reward and punishment in the hereafter, and that prayer may have other purposes such as being rewardable in itself, and that the creator does not intervene all the time or in a manner that you may expect, and that there are conditions for prayers to be accepted, and that many prayers maybe being accepted you just don't perceive them. Just a few of these points should make you wonder that you haven't understood Islam, or religion for that matter, in the slightest - before you started attacking it. |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 11 October 2014 at 8:32am
You haven't the faintest idea as to why so many people are drawn to going over to Syria, and you really think it is because they saw some beheading videos! This is shallowest level of propaganda that you are repeating, makes you seem foolish than sensible. When you want to villify and demonise a people with constant propaganda then its easy, painting everyone with the same brush, and we have been seeing this for a long time, and you don't even spare those who you say are your own. Just look at race relations in USA. How many black people are being suffocated, beaten to death, or just plain shot to death by racist elements, you wouldn't like people to consider everyone evil and racist because of these statistics, yet you want to point fingers at others. Lets not have the name caringheart but only with prejudice. |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 11 October 2014 at 8:54am
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The attrocities of Asad's regime and that of the American installed regime in Iraq against some of the population did not prompt the Western world to create a coalition (of tyrants) ready to bomb people in such a short space of time yet when the ideas of Islam and Muslims coming to power on the basis of Islam arise, whether in extreme circumstances or even by elections, then actions are taken, even an all out war is declared.
So it is obvious that Islam is the target, but if you accept the current world order and tow the line by keeping Islam as only a spiritual belief and personal rituals, then you are fine. That is why some people even 'Muslims', can't see it as a war on Islam. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 11 October 2014 at 12:11pm
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SultanmuradII, was the Asad regime or the Iraqi regime kidnapping little girls and selling them to sex slavery? Were they beheading journalists, videotaping them and posting them on the Internet for recruitment purposes? That is what the war is about. It's not about Islam -- unless you believe that such atrocities are part of Islam. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 11 October 2014 at 12:13pm
Greetings sultanmuradII, I think it is because they see this as the way of islam coming to power in the world. Again I say, this doesn't scare people? What is it exactly that is coming to power?
I say that I do not do this at all... in fact my entire argument from the beginning of joining this forum is to see if people know how to treat others as individuals... but I say that it is a mentality that is frightening that draws young men to IS if they are willing to do the deeds they see being done.
Here I say that it is you that is controlled by propaganda. Allow me to rephrase your statement to the one we don't hear being shouted, even though it also happens.... 'How many white people have also been mistakenly shot to death, and/or beaten, as well' People of other races do not turn everything into a race issue... we seem only to see this with the black race carrying on in the role of victim from centuries back... because it works for them, so they do not have to work for themselves. It is not right for anyone of any color to always assume and use the victim role rather than taking responsibility for changing their course. There is much the black community can do to change its perceptions among people, but do they do it? I know many that do, but not enough have done. Do you know how the Japanese were treated in the United States when the United States was at war with Japan? Have they taken the victim role during or after these unfair treatments which they received? Who has been more mistreated than the American indian? Have you seen them taking the victim role crying unfair for centuries and generations? These other population groups did what they could to assimilate and adjust, and to present themselves a good image to be accepted by the greater population. We are all, each, responsible for our own part in acceptance or rejection.... in the creation of a civilized appearance or one that causes discomfort to others. asalaam and blessings, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 11 October 2014 at 12:18pm
------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: marcello
Date Posted: 11 October 2014 at 1:08pm
Belief in rewards or punishment in the "hereafter", without the slightest evidence that the "hereafter" even exists, is ridiculous. It is a fraud perpetrated on the ignorant and credulous as a means of obtaining power. There is also a complete lack of testable evidence that prayer has any efficacy whatsoever. All such rigorous tests, and there have been many, have come to the same conclusion. You seem to be happy with your delusions. That's fine. Unfortunately, too many of your co-religionists use those delusions as an excuse for murder and oppression. |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 12 October 2014 at 1:39am
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Why is ISIS so successful? Why can it recruit so many fighters? Because millions of non-violent Muslims keep paving the way. Civilized nations have to fight ISIS and stop their terror. But civilized nations both in the Muslim and non-Muslim world also have to do something about the steps that lead to this level of radicalization. You can't fight bad thinking with weapons. Only with debate. I see 10 main steps that ultimately lead to the creation of entities like ISIS. In the past, it was similar steps that led to radicalized Christians, who burned Giordano Bruno at the stake. These radicalization steps apply to all religions in my opinion: 1) Telling others that your religion is superior 2) Viewing your religion as absolute truth 3) Rejecting the notion that religions can evolve 4) Telling others that their religion contains errors and lies 5) Painting a black and white world with good people and bad people 6) Using words like unbeliever, infidel, pagan or heretic when talking about atheists, agnostics, followers of other religions or followers of your own religion who do not comply with all the rules 7) Losing both the capability to think independently and the capability to change your viewpoints during or after a discussion 8) Rejecting pluralism and the idea that human laws created by elected representatives supersede religious laws 9) Openly or secretly condoning violence against those who disobey religions laws 10) Exercising violence against those who disobey religions laws ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: AbuBakrSiddeeq
Date Posted: 12 October 2014 at 5:22am
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Defeating Islam is the issue... ISIS/Al Qaeda/Islamist groups is the pretext.
The imperialists do politics, fight wars, occupy lands and kill millions not for mere economic exploitation and military or political gains. They want to defeat and destroy their ideological competitors and survive as the sole civilizational force on earth. After the sudden demise of Socialist Soviet Union � the West�s most powerful ideological challenger, the Western imperialists had a great joy of relief and a strong spell of euphoria. They thought that they have won the final war of ideas and the history of mankind has reached its end with liberal capitalism as the global norm of civilisation. They could really think of a global village with global Western values. The euphoria was so immense that many capitalist gurus like Francis Fukuyama declared it the end of history. Carl Marx too, died with a dream of such euphoria. He believed that the victory of the proletariat and the emergence of classless communist society are inevitable. Marx claimed it the ultimate end of historical determinism. But such Marxist theory proved utter nonsense. With the emergence of Taleban Islamists in Afghanistan, establishment of Islamic khilafa in Iraq and Syria, and rise of militant Islamists in many other parts of the world, euphoria of the capitalists has also quickly evaporated. Fukuyama�s �end of history� proved nonsense, too. In fact, the history itself proved it never ends. Since the clash between the Divine truth and the satanic falsehood survives in all ages; history too continues. Contrary to the common belief of the capitalists and the socialists, history never takes a linear course. History takes turns and even makes reversals. It itself doesn�t possess any inherent determinants to decide its own destiny. Force of the Divine faith, concomitant commitment of the followers of the faith and ultimate wish of Allah Subhana wa Taala decide which way the history should move. The engine of history is running fast in many parts of the Muslim world. It is getting enormous fuel from the blood of the Islamists in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Somalia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Mali, Nigeria, Algeria and many other parts of the world. Islam is showing a strong global resurgence. The Western imperialists are not happy with such a new trend of history; and want to stop it. Hence President Barak Hussain Obama and his cronies had to declare a global war against the Islamists. So the US, the UK, the French, the Canadian and the Australian planes are on a bombing mission in Iraq and Syria. Defeating Islam has emerged as the most important issue in the capitalist camp. |
Posted By: marcello
Date Posted: 12 October 2014 at 11:13am
While I agree with most of your post, I seem to recall that weapons were an important component of fighting the "bad thinking" of Naziism. But I still don't support the West's getting involved at all in Syria and Iraq. Let the Sunni's and Shia's battle it out with their own troops and weapons. Maybe that will accelerate a successful Islamic "reformation", like the European wars of religion in the 16th-17th centuries did for Christianity. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 12 October 2014 at 3:11pm
Greetings marcello, If only it were that simple. There are other players with their own agendas... i.e., Iran and Russia. Iran wants to get rid of Israel Russia wants to be the pre-emininent power in the world The U.S. wants to guard against threats to its own position All of these have a stake in providing funds and weapons that fuel the fights. Oh yes, let's not leave out Saudi Arabia... I can't even figure out how that piece fits into the puzzle, but I know that it does... Turkey also... I agree the only way this battle is going to be won is when the hearts and minds of men are won... no more teaching of hatred to young children... no more teaching of prejudice and war against people who are not like yourselves. This has to begin in the top of leadership, so that these things are not taught in the schools, or in the homes, or in the religious venues... and there seems no way to change these hearts and minds... because they believe what they do, how they think, comes from the Creator Himself... I think even among the Germans, they knew that Naziism was wrong, and yes, help was needed to get rid of the Nazi power and rule. The trouble now is, who is there to help to overcome this depraved ideology and hatred that is so widespread that it is not contained to the rulership of one nation only. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 13 October 2014 at 1:32am
You seem to have misunderstood my post. I clearly wrote that civilized nations have to fight ISIS and stop their terror. In the same way civilized nations and brave civilized Germans like Stauffenberg had to fight the Nazis and stop their terror. With weapons, of course. Neo-nazism still exists. Salafism still exists. Weapons alone won't solve the problem. We also need an ideological debate fought with words. It matters greatly what imams tell their flock at the mosques. Do they consider non-Muslims as second-rate humans or not? ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 13 October 2014 at 1:41am
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Yes, Caringheart, hatred is so widespread that we probably need one or two generations to undo the poisoning and brainwashing of millions of Muslims all around the world. What we need is a long-term strategy. We need to learn from examples that already work. A good example are the Kurds. Most of them are moderate Sunni Muslims. In Iraq they were eager to help the persecuted Yazidis and Christians. We need to ask: What goes right when the Kurds teach Islam to their children? ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 13 October 2014 at 5:02am
This posts shows how much you have looked into what Asad regime has done and not only after the protests and uprising, and so straight off it doesn't bear well on your other claims. More strangely how easily you are willing to spread baloney propaganda. Has it not occured to you yet that main stream media doesn't always tell the truth and usually follows a biased and non-independent line, especially when it affects a foreign policy. How you come up with the idea that beheading videos of journalists as a recruitment tool is plain silly, furthermore your great allies behead people daily (ie Saudi Arabian kings) and also your government keeps you in the dark about their clandestine operations of kidnapping people around the world and torturing to death in secret cells via lackeys only barely gets exposed on the media, but it's worse than what you oppose. So basically I see that your lack of awareness is just astounding and no wonder you can be duped in to wars so easily, shame. |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 13 October 2014 at 5:28am
Greetings Caringheart, Now this is a plausible reason, however there is more to this, such as e.g merely helping those who are being killed because they no longer wish to have tyranical regimes over them, especially for those who are syrians and Iraqis. However if one doesn't know what is coming to power then why should they be scared? These are also people who want a better life according to their religion. And if you come to aid the tyrants and also drop bombs day and night on their families then those people will realy hate you. your peice about the 'whites who are also killed, playing the victim, and look how the red indians assimilated' is in my opinion shameful and lacks basic understanding, but here I don't want to divert the topic anymore. |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 13 October 2014 at 6:27am
Each of your posts highlight you have a blinded hatred that you can't take in what some one says and you instead answer your own theories. I clearly wrote that the creator may not intervene all the time so as in Judaism, Christianity and Islam prayers are not neccesarily answered, and people tend pray as a worship to gain nearness to their creator whether their prayer are answered or not, and this was mentioned as other reasons to your first narrow minded post that I responded to. You then replied with something about rigorous tests on prayers! It is easy to just attack and accuse and expect people to try and rebutt you, but when you present your side of the story, then in comparison we can see if what you claim as true is indeed so. The reality of a hereafter is information received in revealed scriptures via Messengers from the creator of the universe, and so before questioning the 1001 things in the scriptures we need a basis to accept them in the first place ie the existence of the creator. I take it you would say there is no evidence for that, I would say to you the world around us is the evidence in that it is impossible to have been as it is with out a cause, and that cause is beyond time and palce and any limits, that much we can conclude just from rational assessment of our world. If there is a creator, then there atleast is the possibility of communication to mankind from him. Where do you stand in this argument thus far? |
Posted By: marcello
Date Posted: 13 October 2014 at 8:35am
The concept of a "creator" is a fantasy created by the ignorant who had (and have) little understanding of physics and cosmology. It is no different from the beliefs of primitive man who prayed to the "Sun God" to ensure that the sun would rise in the morning. What's worse, is that this concept of a mythical creator has been further perverted (by all religions) into fabricated sets of directives aimed at consolidating and accumulating power and wealth into the hands of cynical rulers. They further perpetrate onto their ignorantly credulous followers the promise of paradise and fear of hell as a further mechanism of control. As understanding of physics has advanced, religiosity has retreated. That is why fundamentalists, of all faiths, strive to ensure that their progeny is uneducated. We see this, for example, among the Hasidic Jews, the Amish, and the Taliban (although it seems that only the fundamentalist Muslims delight in blowing up schools). You seem to want to accuse me of "hatred" towards Muslims. Perhaps you find that such accusations would help to justify the sort of violence urged in the Quran. But I don't hate Muslims at all. Rather I find fundamentalist Muslims to be pathetically ignorant and, too often, dangerously violent (ask the Yazidis, for just one of many examples). It is the Quran that preaches intolerance and demands violence towards unbelievers. In contrast, nothing in my thinking demands that Christians, Jews, and others must convert, pay a tax, or die. Or be sold into slavery, like the Yazidis. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 13 October 2014 at 9:54am
Greeetings sultanmuradII, What is there to be scared of? These people who are coming to the battle are attracted to sheer brutality. I am accustomed to men who shun the idea of killing, not flock to it, especially when it is barbaric killing. We do know the kind of people who are seeking power. They have shown us the kind of people that they are, and I see them as controlled by pure evil. Nothing they are doing is redeeming. (In what way have the Yazidi's or the Christians provoked them to the behavior they have exhibited in the extermination campaigns? and men are drawn to join this behavior? That is frightening... that these are the people that may come to have control over the common man... this is evil in control) asalaam, CH ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 14 October 2014 at 9:49am
You have still to present your thinking and all you have done so far is blindly attack things you don't understand. What little you did mention exposed your narrow mindedness, eg your, going nowhere, "do unto others... " criteria which had no answer for adultery nor treason. You showed a complete ignorance on the meaning of prayers to religious people, and now you think that Muslims have not studied physics or cosmology. So still waiting read your view on the where the universe came from and why it is the way it is ie the origin of this world and us. I say that rationally there must be a ultimate causer/creator who is beyond time space and limitations. You say ....? And since you care so much about taxation and people being killed you could explain your criteria on judging what one should do about enemy combatants and foreign occupiers, and a criteria for who decides who should be taxed and at what amount. But I have a feeling you might avoid presenting much on these topics from your posts thus far, but I hope that you are a thinking man and not full of it, and will engage. |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 14 October 2014 at 10:45am
You didn't learn anything from the baloney Kuwaiti baby incubator stories portrayed in the US media that was used to justify the invasion of Iraq in the first place and then again with the baloney WMD story years later, and now even when the yazidis on the hills turned out to be embarrassingly exaggerated, if one could put it mildy. But continued lies and then flying over across the world to kill people and impose oppressive regimes to serve your oil and miltary companies doesn't disturb you but the world is sick of it, and since 24years or so of bombing a nation with all sorts of weapons and turmoil you create and impose in a region, you expect people in that region to behave as they would living in comfort! Even though Islam itself calls to much higher standards, and Muslims in general don't support any wrongs that any people do anywhere, however the focus on ISIS and the circumstances in which they act, is being used to try and villify Islamic ideas (especially of ruling by Islam etc). For those who look fairly in to beliefs and people behaviour will see that Islam is superior God willing. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 14 October 2014 at 10:46am
The Golden Rule says that we should treat adulterers the way we would want to be treated ourselves in that situation, i.e. we should butt out of their lives and leave it to those involved to deal with. As for treason, nobody ever said that the Golden Rule was intended to cover criminal offences. In that case, we have an inherent right to protect our own security; therefore any traitor who threatens our collective security should be punished.
It's a big question. The science of cosmology proposes lots of interesting theories, but no one really knows. Meanwhile, maybe you'd like to tell us where your God came from and why He is the way He is.  ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: marcello
Date Posted: 14 October 2014 at 11:56am
It appears that you have fallen (hook, line, and sinker) for the "god is in the gaps" argument for the existence of a deity. And alternatively, you also invoke the long-disproven "first cause" argument. Let's look at each of these in turn. "God is in the Gaps" From the beginning of recorded history, and almost certainly before that, man has ascribed supernatural causes for phenomena that he didn't understand. Sunrise, disease, weather, etc. Every single time that one of these phenomena has been explained, it has turned out the the explanation required no supernatural influences at all. That is why that with the advancement of science, religiosity has retreated. Why would you assume that simply because science has yet to answer a question (such as the creation of the universe), that the answer must be "god"? That answer has never been correct in the past for any physical phenomena, why should it be correct now? Moreover, there is not a single shred of evidence for such a supernatural cause. In contrast, the first law of thermodynamics is that energy must be conserved. A "creation hypothesis" would mean that this law was violated around 13+ billion years ago. But there is no evidence that this happened. In fact, according to current theory, if you add the rest kinetic energies present in the early universe to the negative potential energies of their gravitational interactions, you get zero. Based on that, it is consistent to assume that the universe has always existed, expanding and collapsing, and changing form. "First Cause" This has also been called the "kalam cosmological argument", because it appears to have arisen in Islamic theology. The argument fails because it presupposes that the universe had a beginning. If the universe always existed (in some form or another), the argument collapses. The fallacious presupposition is based on the following attempted syllogism: each thing that begins to exist must have a cause; the universe is a thing; therefore the universe has a cause. But set theory has shown that for sets of things, a rule that applies to a member of a set doesn't necessarily apply to the set itself (an easy example: consider the set of even numbers with the rule that each member of the set is divisible by two, that rule is meaningless when applied to the set itself). So to treat the universe as a "thing" is to succumb to the fallacy known as a "category mistake". |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 15 October 2014 at 4:46am
| To keep this thread from going off on a tangent I am copying the last replies and creating a new thread. |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 16 October 2014 at 8:18am
I started a thread in a moderated area and still waiting for it to be approved so I am atleast pasting what I had written here to continue the discussion until I figure out this forum.
Ron you have perhaps missed the questions raised on the application of this "golden rule" as a criteria for laws, which were being attacked by user marcello. Anyhow since you advocate it, how does it deal with the person who wants to kill the man who dared to commit adultery with his wife. If he is OK with being killed himself, if he ever committed adultery, then accordingly it is OK to kill the adultress man? In reality it doesn't answer anything as it is based on the whims of people! Perhaps you can explain. So far not looking very bright for athiests! You said it wasn't intended to cover criminal offences, but give me a criteria for judging what is criminal, as when I asked for it, I was given the "golden rule" followed by silence on its applications. As for the the Questions related to the nature of the creator, one can only rationally ascertain his existence as being imperative due the existence of a reality around us which has limitations and particular charecteristics. All else regarding the nature of the this creator must be revealed from Him and that comes after having established whether He exists or not. |
Posted By: sultanmuradII
Date Posted: 16 October 2014 at 8:22am
To answer your main points: - what man has done or is doing is irrelevant to what I am saying. Lets discuss my argument, I never once said if we don't know a thing it must be God, you are creating that argument to knock it down. - If you don't know a thing say I don't know (which you have alluded to in the cause of the universe), and if you think that there could be a creator who casued everything to come in to existence but you are not convinced that there has to be one, say so. But if you deny that there could be a creator, then you need to present your case, as it is the fundamental reason for Muslims' faith and not the secondary issues, which only confirm the faith, and which you a keen to attack. God of the gaps slogan is a strawman and doesn't help you here. I take it that you deny a possible creator. - I believe the universe we live in came in to existence at some point and the cause of it was the Creator, who revealed himself to mankind. You believe that the universe always existed, expanding and collapsing and changing. ie there was no point where the universe started ie no beginning, then tell me if these changes and exapnsions and collapses have always been going ie since an infinite time ago, how did we arrive at this point in time according to your argument, as there happened to be an infinite number changes taking an infinite amount of time before us to reach where/when we are today; and this is nonsense. Not only is the universe rationally limited in terms of time of existence, but it is rationally limited in it having set characteristics and laws, which it did not set for it self as we observe in everything we can sense. Means ultimately something, beyond and unlimited, caused it to be what it is. Let's deal with this and we can continue. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 31 October 2014 at 11:55pm
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Re: ISIS I have just been listening to a very interesting talk, that makes a whole lot of sense. This really is a simple matter of good vs. evil.... and why is the whole world not united and coming together to fight this evil? It really is as simple as that. It isn't even a political or religious matter. It's a matter of evil making its presence known in the world, and people of good conscience seem to have their consciences dulled. All people of good and Godly conscience ought to be able to see this evil, and ought to be coming together against it. asalaam, CH ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 01 November 2014 at 7:10am
It is indeed a matter of good versus evil. Unfortunately Muslims have different definitions of "good" and "evil". To them, Islam is good by definition. Even a corrupt and twisted version of Islam, as practised by groups like ISIS, is still better than the non-Muslim world ("dar al-harb", "the great Satan", etc.). To most Muslims, the ultimate evil is not murdering and torturing innocent people. The ultimate evil is the rejection of Allah and his Prophet. In other words, the ultimate evil is people like you and me. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 01 November 2014 at 8:20am
| Ron you seem to be conflating religious belief and morals with actions. Most of the Muslim world, in my estimation, believes that your choice of religion is a personal matter. Should you become a Muslim it is to your benefit. Actions that bring harm such as those you mentioned, murdering and torturing of innocent people, are repugnant to all sane individuals having conscious. Once again, I must say, you are often very rhetorically irresponsible and reckless in your comments. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 01 November 2014 at 11:05am
Greetings abuayisha, and yet, I understand his frustration... Muslims (many muslims) seem to be kept blind to real evil because of their religion... or at the very least they seem to be held hostage(by their religion) from doing anything against true evil. asalaam, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 01 November 2014 at 5:09pm
I'm curious to know where you live, abuayisha. I think that that most Muslims in North America would agree with you; however, most Muslims do not live in North America. Muslims in the Middle East and Asia seem to be an entirely different kettle of fish, so to speak. It almost seems like a different religion. In most of the Muslim world, the smallest insult (book, film, casual remark) to their religion reaches such extremes that it would be laughable if it wasn't also frequently deadly. In contrast, response even to the most horrific atrocities committed in the name of Islam is muted at best. If I made a movie depicting Islam as a terrorist religion, not only would my own life be in danger but Canadian embassies all over the world would be besieged by angry Muslims. On the other hand, groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS and Boko Haram depict Islam as a terrorist religion every day, by their very existence, let alone their actions. And the Muslim response? Aside from occasional press releases from (mostly Western) Muslim organizations distancing themselves from those groups, pretty much dead silence. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Yusuf Abdullah
Date Posted: 24 January 2015 at 8:48am
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 26 January 2015 at 11:23am
Greetings Yusuf Abdullah, A response: Cairo Today, hosted by �Amru Adib, a very popular Egyptian show. Like Sisi�s speech before Al Azhar, it too is hard hitting. Among other things, Adib is �connecting the dots.� He started with the Charlie Hebdo attack, saying lots of Muslims will say, �Well, they had it coming for mocking the prophet!� But then he asked �What about all the other terrorist attacks around the Islamic world?!� By way of example, he referred to the killing of two Muslim policemen guarding a Coptic church during Christmas celebrations. Adib pointed out that, if the French killed were �infidels� attacking Islam, the same �thinking� � recall Sisi�s wording � is prompting Muslims to kill other Muslims all around the world, so that there is not �a single Muslim country where this sort of thinking does not exist.� He asked pious Muslims who cannot tolerate a word against Islam, �So why are you, of your own free will, moving to these godless nations[the West] in the first place� (reminding me of this article I wrote nearly a decade ago). http://%20www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/what-do-muslims-want/ - http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/what-do-muslims-want/ Adib asked his viewers, �Are you, as Muslims, content with the fact that today we are all seen as terrorists by the world?.. We [Egyptians] used to bring civilization to the world, today what? � we are barbarians! Barbarians I tell you!� Other telling quotes in just the first few minutes of the program follow: I�m not afraid about how many Muslims kill Christians, I�m afraid of how many Muslims kills Muslims. In 2014, more Muslims were killed by other Muslims than all throughout history� In every Muslim country, we are killing each other � this has nothing to do with non-Muslims mocking Islam!� Who put this hate in us? You�re going to tell me that [Muslim] terrorism exists because of Israel, because of the West, because of this and that, but the truth is, we are no longer tolerant Muslims�. If we can�t live with each other, are we going to be able to live with the Christians? He even criticized Al Azhar, because their head, after condemning the Charlie Hebdo attack, added, �but we equally condemn the mockery� � which Adib equated with exonerating the attack. As for Sisi, he pointed out that to many Muslims, the fact that the Egyptian president entered a Christian church, as he did on the eve of January 7, the Coptic Christmas, must be an infidel. The Salafi party immediately said, �We will never congratulate the Christians on their festivals. What�re you crazy?! To this, Adib said: Okay, I get it, you hate Christians. But can you please be consistent? Why do you cooperate with them in other regards? Why do you go to their nations [reference to the West]? Why do you go to their doctors? Please, let your hate be consistent.� I have no doubt that 3/4 of those hearing me are cursing me now � saying �he�s an infidel, an apostate!�� asalaam, CAringheart Please be sure to read the article at the link provided. Peace and blessings to you. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 09 February 2015 at 12:56pm
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the will of the Creator thoughts.... using 'God' to justify evil... evil to bring about good? to bring about the Islamic State? If the Islamic State comes to be, what can then be expected from these men that have committed these atrocities to achieve their end goals? I see a rulership that will bring oppression... a people always be made to live in fear of any false step. This is what I feel that islam brings. Anywhere you look in the islamic world, you see oppression. Does the Creator intend us to have free will, or not? What is their end goal, truly? Is it not the desire for ultimate power? Do we justify every evil in the world, saying 'it was God's will'? Can it possibly be God's will to see evil done? to see killing on the earth? When will we learn? When will we accept that all men must choose, of their own accord, the will and the path of God... that forcing the will of God, does not serve God. and yet we fight one another, thinking that we serve the purposes of God... when people are oppressed and we want to free them from that oppression, that is serving the purposes of God... when people want to put others under oppression, claiming that it is the will of God to do so... I do not, can not, see that that serves the Creator. The Creator gave us free will, and the only way to come to Him is freely of our own will. thoughts and input...? asalaam, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Nausheen
Date Posted: 10 February 2015 at 6:38am
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If anyone is offended by the comments of non-muslims here, I ask you, are you not offended by the actions of Abu Bakr al Baghdadhi and his allies?
If not, you are giving out a very wrong message to the world - a message which was never a part of mission or message from your own messenger. Islam teaches us to be honest, and in all honesty ISIS is a monster. And if you say that winning a war against them and annihilating them is annihilating islam then in reality you are saying that Abu Bakr is representing islam. Accept the truth, he has been using the name of islam, and is doing the biggest disservice to this religion anyone has done in our times. All those who are supporting them are either confused about them or they are like them. In either case, they are on the wrong path. IN THEIR HEARTS IS A DISEASE; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves). WHEN IT IS SAID TO THEM: "MAKE NOT MISCHIEF ON THE EARTH," THEY SAY: "WHY, WE ONLY WANT TO MAKE PEACE!" OF A SURETY, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO MAKE MISCHIEF, BUT THEY REALISE (IT) NOT. (2:8-12)� We had similar debates here 14 yrs ago, after 9/11. The real face of al-qaeda and Taliban was not so vivid back then. However we cannot be standing on the same spot almost 1.5 decades later. This retaliation is not about islam. These are terrorists and much more organized than taliban and al-qaeda. Islam is NOT a terrorist organization, thus tehy are not us. They are OUR ENEMY, more than they are an enemy of the west. We have to fight them and we must take all assistance we get from any sane, civilized group of people. Muslims need to stop polarizing and start globalizing. If we do not do this now, it might be too late. Also, please check %20 - http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/13/isis-caliphate-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-jihadi-islam ------------- <font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 11 March 2015 at 7:26pm
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http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/isis-fighter-converts-to-christianity-after-allah-refuses-him-entrance-to-gates-of-heaven/comment-page-38/#comment-269180 - ISIS fighter dies and comes back to life Thoughts? ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 12 March 2015 at 7:46am
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 12 March 2015 at 4:37pm
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Greetings abuayisha, but it does say, "Our News Team is composed of award winning christian, muslim and jewish journalists...." So their reporting does include the work of independent journalists. I understand your suspicion of news sources... I share your skepticism... Do you imagine someone has just made up this story? This is what I ask myself. It would be easy enough to verify the story, simply by tracking down the person who reported it, and asking to speak with the person who had the experience. In other words, would somebody report a thing that could easily prove him to be a liar if investigated? Or do we imagine this man was paid to tell this story of death? Again, surely there would be the medical personnel(and friends/acquaintances) to verify his condition and his treatment... whether or not he was considered dead... whether or not he was a muslim when found or brought in... and whether his experience caused a conversion. Is the priest lying? Is a priest going to lie? And are all his brothers going to lie also, along with him? These are the things I consider when evaluating. asalaam, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: rcr3fak
Date Posted: 10 February 2016 at 2:37pm
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Dear i.dawa
I see the appeal of containing the ISIS situation within the Islamic community, but i have concerns about Muslims dealing with ISIS and other Muslims according to the scripture. So many people of the world are active practitioners of the Islamic faith and there are so many different ideas about different parts of scripture. I do not believe that its fair to judge someone according to a religious text that people can interpret so many different ways. During the crusades CHristians believed that waging wars against the Islamic faith was justified because they twisted their scriture so that it molded to their objectives. I feel that the same would most likely happen in your scenario as well. And an aside, I do not feel that the majority of the western world or the powers that control it want to targert Muslims. Of course their are people that are racist towards Muslims and people from the middle east as a whole, but I believe that the root of this problem comes from the fear that many westerners feel. Thanks for reading, I look forward to your response. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 11 February 2016 at 12:26am
Greetings rcr, I feel the need to make a correction here. Christians did not 'twist scripture to wage war on the islamic faith'. Christians only went to war with muslims because they were being oppressed by them. Islam was the aggressor to start with. The people in the conquered lands only fought to regain their lands and to be delivered from islamic oppression. Peace and blessings to you, Caringheart
... and I agree with this. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 28 March 2016 at 3:06am
Nausheen, how do you explain the fact that the Godly laws of Saudi-Arabia and the Godly laws of the Islamic State of ISIS are almost identical? They both are representing Islam using a very traditional interpretation of the holy texts. Yet almost all Muslims want to travel to Saudi-Arabia, a country so horrible, it's often hard to find words for it. As long as most Muslims feel fine with Saudi-Arabia, they feel fine with ISIS. And many Muslims rather show solidarity with criminal Muslims like in parts of Brussels, than telling Belgian disbelievers i.e. the police, fellow Muslims are hiding out there for months. It's not enough to distance oneself from violence. 21st century Islam must be completely different from 7th century Islam. The entire Islam needs new interpretations and drastic reforms. As long as Muslims reject this very idea, there won't be peace on Earth. Christian churches will keep being burned. Christians will keep being called disbelievers. Muslim women will inherit half. Raped Muslim women will need several male witnesses to avoid being stoned to death. And so on. And I posted this several times because I feel it's so crucial: I really do recommend not using the word Islamophobia. It is scientific/medical nonsense. Very real is racism and outgroup hatred. This we have to eradicate. Islam and many Islamic traditions contain some fundamental flaws which need to be torn out for good, because they don't work in the 21st century. Islam can be given a modern interpretation that followers of other religions and atheists can feel totally comfortable with. The first important step: cancel the word unbeliever. The second important step: Islam feels true for Muslims, but it cannot claim absolute truth. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: simple
Date Posted: 21 August 2016 at 11:59am
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Posted By: simple
Date Posted: 21 August 2016 at 12:11pm
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Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 22 August 2016 at 7:48pm
Greetings marcello, Just where do you think the laws of physics come from? There has to be a Creator behind the design... One who designed the laws. asalaam and blessings, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 23 August 2016 at 10:05am
Why does there have to be anything at all you could ever understand? Why do you think that thing would create so much in the universe if it was ever going to care at all about a tiny speck like the Milky Way galaxy? Why would it sit around doing nothing for 13+ billion years before getting all excited about a tiny bit of the earth and supposedly talking to a very few people there? Why then go away again? |
Posted By: simple
Date Posted: 29 September 2016 at 12:08pm
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Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 30 September 2016 at 7:25am
So why has he sat doing nothing for 13.8 billion years before he bothered inventing humanity? Why send his only son to a minor province of one of the many empires of earth? Why choose one of the minor provinces of the second largest empire at the time? Then... Appart from your conviction that this is the reason how do you know this? |
Posted By: asep48garut60
Date Posted: 02 October 2016 at 1:21am
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In my opinion, the sentence in the topic: "War on Islam not ISIS" it's not appropriate, because it can be assumed as an incitement to all Muslims in the world to hate America and other western countries. There are many Americans and the others don't agree with the ways use of weapon force in any resolve the problems of the world, many of them are anti-war.
------------------------------------------------- Reality is the rulers in the Muslim world are all puppets of the West and they do not represent the Muslims in their capacity as Muslims. They rule by other than Islam and they remain silent over many issues where atrocities are taking place but when it comes to pleasing america they're ready to attack their own people. ------------------------------------------------ If so the attitude of the rulers of the Muslim world, then let's all the Muslims together to warn or give suggestions to them how to resolve the internal problems of Muslims in order to be overcome by the Muslims themselves and not involve outside the Muslims, because we are told to instruct one another in the kindness and devotion to Allah. Maybe the world's Muslim rulers have previously attempted to resolve the internal problems of muslim, but has yet to get significant results. We don�t know the real intentions of their (Muslims and non-Muslims) who attacked ISIS, etc. And only Allah knows about it. Whoever is doing kindness, then surely that kindness for him/herself. And whoever is doing badness, then surely that badness for him/herself. (The words of Allah). On the one hand, some Muslims are explaining to the world that Islam is not synonymous with violence, terrorism and so on, but on the other hand some of the Muslims to ruin it by giving the impression to the world that Islam is radical etc. Islamic Shariah allows for the war because of 2 things: against those who would undermine religious aqidah and against those who would expel Muslims from the country. (Qur'an 60: 8) I am a Muslim who is not aligned with any form of radicalism, such as violence, terrorism, etc., because Allah doesn�t order to do so and even the Prophet Muhammad never gave the example. I believe that all the problems of mankind on earth is not should always be resolved by weapon force, but there are many other ways that can be done. Preferably all leaders of this world, more priority to the rights of human life, and not to kill each other, given that humans are God's creatures. There is more important to mankind to be done, that is war against the demons that always tempt the human heart to commit offenses and sins. Regards. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 02 October 2016 at 9:40am
You seem to have the 2 ideas that ISIS is a problem for the Ummah and that it is all of Islam because when America attacks ISIS they are attacking all of Islam. These 2 ideas are self contradictory. If attacking ISIS is a good thing for the rest of the ummah to do then why is it bad for the US to do that? Hopefully the world will find some fuel which is better than oil and thus the funding of Islamic none sense will stop and the rest ofthe world can just ignore those who wish to avoid thinking about the real world. |