Wearing hijab before converting
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Topic: Wearing hijab before converting
Posted By: Yuki
Subject: Wearing hijab before converting
Date Posted: 29 December 2014 at 12:26pm
Is it not good to wear hijab before converting to Muslim? 
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Posted By: Eshai
Date Posted: 02 January 2015 at 7:06am
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I think it is fine. The hijab is merely a covering which has become associated with Islam. It is a means of achieving modesty. I don't think it is inherently meant to be a symbol of being Muslim (though this is what is has become). Modesty itself is more important than the style of the covering. I highly doubt you would offend anyone by wanting to dress modestly, whatever your religion. |
Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 02 January 2015 at 10:51am
| The first requirement to enter paradise is faith in one Allah, Allah in ch 103 v 1-4 of Quran says with token of time man is in state of loss except thosewho have faith, good deeds, resorting people to truth, resorting people to ppatience and perseverance.first revert then follow Quran, if you are convinced 100% about islam please don't waste a second in reverting. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 11:39am
Thanks for posting this, Eshal. May I ask if you are a Muslim? I've been arguing for years that the Quran only asks women to dress modestly and does not prescribe a specific attire, but as a non-Muslim my opinions obviously aren't worth much. It's nice to hear it from a Muslim (assume you are one). ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Eshai wrote:Posted By: abc 123
Date Posted: 07 January 2015 at 11:21am
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you have my vote, go for it. By the way, have you noticed how women of the church (nuns per say) are pretty much veiled in there dress cod? And how the bride is given away to the groom, veiled in church? Recently, I've seen a sect in Judaism where there women are dressed exactly like Muslim women in black attire\"Abaya". The point is, "Decency" - particularly in female - is in human nature. And God's teachings, logically, are to meet and go with the nature and instincts of his creation. That is why, to a great deal, Islam is THE religion of God, for in pervious messages of his, followers have deviated from the original teachings. |
Posted By: ProudSlave
Date Posted: 25 February 2015 at 2:07pm
Another example would be the Amish :-) In my youth, I was growing some dreadlocks and had someone try to tell me that unless I was a practicing Rastafarian, it was disrespectful to their faith/culture. The person saying this was NOT A Rasta. I considered it quite silly. The fact is - it's YOUR head, you could wear a chicken on top of it if you felt so inclined :-) Just don't be surprised when people do mistake you for a Muslim, if you choose to wear a hijab, and greet you as such. Plus, if you are choosing to wear one out of modesty and not fashion, (imo) you're already moving in a good direction :-) |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 05 August 2015 at 6:04am
Few nuns wear a veil and not all wear a habit. Those that do wear a habit do it to demonstrate that they are separate from the rest of society. Is that what you want for muslim women? Few brides in the west wear a veil now. Those that do, do it out of tradition only, in the same way that they tend to wear white even if they aren't virgins.
If by "Decency" you mean wearing clothes that hide the body, there is no evidence it is human nature. Certainly the examples you gave are not evidence in favour of it, as I have demonstrated. But, of course, there is lots of evidence that it is not human nature. For example, aboriginal peoples all over the world tend not to hide their bodies. The urge to hide the human body is clearly a cultural construct. No baby comes out of the womb embarrassed by its nudity.
Some muslims will hear you say "nature is obviously a mirror of Islam and, therefore, Islam is obviously true" and they will eagerly assent. Some muslims and all non-muslims will hear you say "And God's teachings, logically, are to meet and go with the nature and instincts of his creation. That is why, to a great deal, Islam is THE religion of God, for in pervious messages of his, followers have deviated from the original teachings." And their response will be "that is vacuous, circular and essentially meaningless." |
Posted By: Quran Classes
Date Posted: 06 August 2015 at 12:01pm
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Asalamu alikum sister,
Welcome to Islam my dear. I am so glad you came to ask here. You dont have to immediately wear the hijab, first tell your parents, give them some time. Then when you are really comfortable do it. This is not something you rush, because once you wear its a commitment. You get comfortable by knowing that you are following Allah's commandments and letting other sisters know that you are a fellow muslim ah- which will make your life a whole lot easier. All the best my dear, I know its scary to tell them...I remember telling my parents i wanted to wear the hijab and they freaked out! So i know. But hang in there, and know that Allah will make it easy if you are doing it for him. Make lots of dua and just do it. |
Posted By: Jannahgoals
Date Posted: 07 August 2015 at 8:18am
| "Everything precious is covered!!! A woman modestly dressed is like a pearl in it�s shell." :') |
Posted By: Al-Fatihah
Date Posted: 14 August 2015 at 6:19pm
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In verse 24:31, we read that it says to draw the khimar over the bosom. Modern dictionaries and scholars will define the word Khimar to mean a head cover. Yet was this the meaning at the time of revelation? The root word is khamr, which means to cover and is also the same root word used for intoxicants in the Qur�an because intoxicants cover a person's intellect. So it is clear that the word khimar means a cover for the body because of the meaning of the root word, but there are no ancient Arabic writings from the time of the Prophet or as even as early as within the first century after the time of the Prophet in which the word khimar is used only to refer to covering the head or hair. The understanding that the word khimar means a head cover is stated much later by scholars and dictionaries written centuries after the revelation, with no ancient Arabic writings to support this view. Ibn Kathir himself in his commentary of the Qur'an says that the word means something that covers, and it is what is used to cover the head. Not that its meaning is a head cover.
We also have the following statements from the 4 Imams whose works are the foundation of the 4 different schools of thought in Sunni Islam. Abu Hanifah said: �This is my opinion, but if there comes someone whose opinion is better than mine, then accept that.� Maalik said: �I am only human, I may be right or I may be wrong, so measure my words by the Qur�aan and Sunnah.� Al-Shafi�i said: �If the hadeeth is saheeh, then ignore my words. If you see well established evidence, then this is my view.� Imam Ahmad said: �Do not follow me blindly, and do not follow Maalik or al-Shafi�i or al-Thawri blindly. Learn as we have learned.� And he said, �Do not follow men blindly with regard to your religion, for they can never be safe from error.�� So above we see that the 4 Imams themselves do not say to follow them, that they are only giving their opinion, and to reject their opinions if the evidence shows differently and can be supported by the Qur�an and Sunnah. In short, we are to go where the evidence lies and thus far, there is no evidence that the head cover is mandatory as they themselves never show evidence that doing so is a teaching they learned directly from companions of the Prophet, who learned it from the Prophet. However, scholars have used a few primary arguments to justify that the word khimar refers to a cover only for the head and hair. One argument is based on the hadith that states that when the verse was revealed, the women cut the bottom of their waist sheets and covered their head and faces. (Bukhari vol 6 book 60 num 282). For starters, Ibn Hajar in his commentary of Bukhari says it should be translated as covered themselves ( transliteration of the words in Bukhari ikhtamarna bi ha). However, he does continues to say that although it should be translated as covered themselves, it means to cover their faces. Yet clearly, the covering of the face is his own opinion since the Arabic word for face is not there, as he admits by saying it should be translated as to cover themselves. Furthermore, this does not necessitate that the word khimar means a cover only for the head and hair because a head cover was always a form of modesty according to the CULTURE. We see that Mother Mary wore a head cover according to Christianity and it is mentioned in their Bible to pray with the head covered (cor, 11:5,6,13). All of which is prior to the Prophet coming, thus showing that covering the head existed within the culture, especially when we consider the fact that there were Arab Christians living during the time of the prophet. We also know that the Prophet and Early Muslims reached into Abyssinia, which is North Africa and conquered Egypt during the time of Umar (ra), and at no time in history did the African Muslims commonly practice covering their head and hair completely. In fact, it was not a common practice anywhere in the Muslim world in the first few centuries after the Prophet until the tenth century and more common after the Ottomans took control in the early 14th century. However, even Ibn Battuta states that in the 14th century the women in Turkey did not wear a head cover. At the same time, there is no reliable chain of narrators going back to the first 4 Caliphs of Islam that ever document or report any dispute or issue they had with the Muslims regarding the fact that they did not wear the head cover all this time, which only supports the history that it was not mandatory. This shows that covering the head was a cultural practice only by some people before, during, and after the time of the Prophet and when the verse was revealed to cover, they covered their selves as they saw fit within their culture. Not because the verse says so because no one forced the early Muslim women to do so and there was no dispute or issue when they did not do so. Another hadith that is used to say the word khimar means a head and hair cover only is the hadith in Abu Dawud that says nothing should show except this and this, and the Prophet pointed to his face and hands. (Abu Dawud num 4104). This is supposed to be proof that all of a woman's body is to be covered except the face and hands. Yet no one seems to want to finish the hadith. It actually says in the hadith that the hadith is mursal because the narrator is not known to have met Aisha (ra). This makes the hadith of a lesser degree in authenticity rather than the highest degree. Another claim, which is known from Imam Abu Abdullah Qurtubi, says women would wear the khimar to cover their heads but the ends of the khimar would hang down their back, exposing the chest. The claim continues to say that when the part of the verse that says to cover the chest was revealed, the women took the ends of their head cover and covered their chest instead of leaving it hanging down their back. This is to show that since they chose to use their head covers to cover their chest in response to the word khimar in the verse, this means khimar refers to a head cover. Still, this does not show that khimar means head cover just because some women reached for their head covers because by that logic, it should mean a waist sheet since the hadith in Bukhari (Bukhari vol 6 book 60 num 282) also says they reached for their waist sheets to cover as well. Also, and as stated by ibn Hajar, the translation says to cover themselves. So it does not specify covering the head and since there is no documentation showing that there was an issue between the Prophet or early Caliphs with the Africans who did not wear a head cover shows that it was not mandatory to wear one. Thus the evidence is clear that the Khimar does not mean a head and hair cover, but that it means a cover for the body, and wearing it is not mandatory. It is a choice based on cultural practice. And Allah knows best. |